The Trial

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High School Stabbing - Harvey’s Killer Named and Jailed Oct 22, 2025

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The killer of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose has been named and jailed. Umar Khan was 15 when he stabbed Harvey during the school lunch break in February this year. Today, as he was sent to prison for 16 years, his identity was revealed for the first time. In this episode Caroline and Jack have all the details from Sheffield Crown Court.

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull

Editor: Chelsea Moore

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Producer: Sam Morris

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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The McCann Stalkers - The Chats with Chat GPT Oct 21, 2025

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Today Caroline and Claire have the evidence that Julia Wandelt had to be convinced she was not two other missing children before she decided she was Madeleine McCann. We also have the evidence from a forensic expert who said her DNA proved she was not Madeleine and we have what Chat GPT told her when she asked if she might be Gerry McCann’s daughter.

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Producer: Chelsea Moore

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The DNA Evidence Oct 17, 2025

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Join Caroline and Claire today for the evidence which the jury have been told is the “conclusive proof” Julia Wandelt is not Madeleine McCann - her DNA. We also have the evidence from two friends of the McCanns who were in Portugal when Madeleine was snatched, who say they were also asked by Julia Wandelt to help her get to the McCanns. And we have some of the details on the man who is the “prime suspect” in Madeleine’s abduction.

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Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “I’m not a Liar” Oct 14, 2025

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Join Caroline and Claire as the jury in Leicester are told for the first time that Julia Wandelt’s DNA was tested and proved she is not Madeleine McCann. In today’s episode we also have the dozens of voice messages and texts she was sending to Kate McCann.

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Producer: Chelsea Moore

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The “relentless” stalking of Kate McCann Oct 10, 2025

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Join Caroline and Claire as they bring you the latest from the trial of the McCann “stalkers”. In this episode we’ve got the evidence of Kate and Gerry McCann who said the actions of the two women on trial were relentless and distressing. Gerry also said the family still have a glimmer of hope that Madelaine is still alive and Julia Wandelt could have put the investigation at risk. We also have the moment that Julia Wandelt screamed at Kate McCann “why are you doing this to me.”

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Claire Duffin

Editor: Chelsea Moore

Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham

Producer: Chelsea Moore

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Emotional Blackmail of the Highest Order” Oct 07, 2025

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In this episode Caroline and Claire have the moment the court in Leicester were told two women accused of stalking Madeleine McCann’s family accosted them at the family home. They also joked about riffling through their bins. The prosecution say Julia Wandelt used emotional blackmail to try to convince the family she was Madeleine.

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Claire Duffin

Editor: Chelsea Moore

Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham

Producer: Chelsea Moore

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “She is not Madeleine” Oct 06, 2025

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In this episode Caroline and Claire have the opening day of trial of two women accused of stalking the family of Madeleine McCann. Julie Wandelt is accused of pursuing the family by email, call and text claiming to be their missing daughter who was abducted from Portugal in 2007. Karen Sprat is also accused of adopting her claims “with gusto”. Today as the case began Julia Wandelt broke down into loud sobs as the jury were told she was categorically “not Madeleine.”

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Claire Duffin

Editor: Chelsea Moore

Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham

Producer: Chelsea Moore

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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Lucy Letby: Conviction Sep 26, 2025

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In this episode Liz and Caroline speak to Danny Bogado, the director of a new Channel 4 documentary called Conviction: The Lucy Letby Case. They discuss why he wanted to make a film on the case, how he recruited contributors and why he feels it is important that audiences make up their own minds about her guilt or innocence.

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Lucy Letby’s Expert Witness Sep 19, 2025

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Dr Mike Hall was Lucy’s Letby’s key expert witness. But he was never called to give evidence at either of her trials. Caroline and Liz now ask him why. Search: The Trial of Lucy Letby: The Inquiry

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High School Stabbing - The Intermediary Aug 12, 2025

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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose.

Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull

Editor: Chelsea Moore

Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham

Producer: Sam Morris

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.

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