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Nick Triolo on Running For No Reason and Not Chasing The Top Aug 05, 2025

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This week on The Trailhead, Zoë and Brendan sit down with writer and ultrarunner Nick Triolo, author of The Way Around: A Field Guide to Going Nowhere. From circumnavigating mountains to ditching Strava and racing for a year, Nick shares what it means to move through landscapes differently, choosing circles over summits, presence over performance, and curiosity over metrics.

We talk about why loops feel so satisfying, how creative practice overlaps with running, and what happens when you stop measuring progress and start running just to run. Plus, the crew debates their favorite loops and why "there's nowhere else to go" might be the ultimate running mantra

🏃‍♀️ Featured Race: Cowboy Yeti in Bastrop, Texas—20K loops, mild winter weather, and maybe even Brendan's birthday bash.

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How Running Helped Tommie Runz Get Sober Jul 22, 2025

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What happens when a road marathoner tackles one of the wildest ultra challenges out there, solo?

In this episode, Zoë and Brendan sit down with Tommie Runz (@tommie_runz): plant-based athlete, podcast host, father, and (accidentally?) ultra-endurance legend.

Tommie didn't grow up running, but after choosing sobriety in 2017, he found clarity, purpose, and eventually, a new identity in the miles. We trace his journey from gym rat to six-star marathon finisher to taking on The Speed Project solo—six ultramarathons in six days across the desert, with no prior experience beyond 26.2.

He opens up about recovery (physical and emotional), the myth of "rock bottom," and how a surprise video from his kids mid-race broke him down, and gave him the strength to keep going.

Also: vegan aid station food, the case for trekking poles on pavement, and whether road ultras are actually super hardcore.

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Check out the Kismet Cliff Run to experience on of the Beast Coast's coolest trail races! Race is September 14, registration is open now!

Katie Schide Is All In at Hardrock Jul 08, 2025

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UTMB champion. Western States course record threat. Field hockey state champion. Rock doctor. Katie Schide is one of the most accomplished ultrarunners on the planet, and somehow, still one of the most quietly focused. In this episode of The Trailhead, Zoë and Brendan catch up with Katie ahead of her Hardrock 100 debut to talk about how she's evolved as a competitor, why she used to downplay her ambitions, and what's changed in both the sport and herself since her eighth-place finish at UTMB back in 2021.

They dig into why UTMB might just be the "Goldilocks" race of the sport, how Katie and her partner are spending the summer training in Colorado's San Juans, and how her background in geology shapes the way she sees, and runs through, the landscape. Katie also shares her take on the term "sub-ultra" and why she thinks we've maybe overcomplicated what's just... running.

Plus, Buzz Burrell drops in for a TrailCon Hall of Fame recap, a preview of a potential Katie vs. Courtney showdown at UTMB, and a quick nod to the real MVPs: New England moms on Facebook.

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And if you're dreaming of a trail experience that's less race and more wild adventure, don't miss our featured adventure: Ruta de los Arrieros, a three-day expedition run through Colombia's ancient gold routes. Expect big climbs, river crossings, waterfall rappels, jungle villages, and about as much trail magic as you can handle. It's capped at just 10 runners this year and kicks off September 14, so if you're into chasing moments instead of PRs, this one's for you. Registration closes August 20 at UltraSignup.

How Kofuzi Built a Running Empire on YouTube Jun 24, 2025

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This week on The Trailhead, we're joined by the one and only Kofuzi, a self-proclaimed non-elite YouTube runner who's built a global following by filming marathons, gear reviews, and everyday runs with heart, humor, and a handheld camera. Zoë and Brendan chat with him about the leap from roads to trails, what it really takes to make running content, and why being "exceptionally average" might be a superpower.

Whether you're here for the shoe talk, the trail stoke, or the shared love of goofy long runs, this one's for you.

Follow Kofuzi: YouTube & Instagram: @kofuzi

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The Artist Turning Trail Running Into Visual Poetry Jun 10, 2025

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This week on The Trailhead, Zoë and Brendan talk with Abigail West—trail runner, printmaker, and full-time creative who's showing us what it means to run with purpose. Based in the lush foothills of Southern Appalachia, Abigail blends endurance and artistry, carving out time (and linoleum) to tell stories about wild places, climate, and community.

We dive into everything from FKTs in the Georgia mountains to why training for ultras is a terrible match with art fair season. Abigail shares how she captures the emotional texture of landscapes through printmaking, why she's obsessed with spiderweb-filled singletrack, and what it means to be an entrepreneurial artist-athlete in a world that doesn't quite know what to do with either.

Plus: the problem with art world algorithms, the reality of life in a construction zone, and a full-throated defense of Waffle House. Grab your gravy and your gaiters, this one goes deep.

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Steve Magness on Real Toughness and Why Running Shouldn't Suck May 27, 2025

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This week on The Trailhead, Zoë and Brendan are joined by performance scientist, coach, and author Steve Magness for a deep dive into the messy, meaningful side of mental toughness. Known for calling BS on outdated notions of grit, Steve shares insights from his latest book, Win the Inside Game, and challenges the idea that suffering is the only path to success. Instead, he makes the case for curiosity, flexibility, and joy as essential ingredients for growth, not just in running, but in life. Together, they explore how identity, external validation, and over-optimization can get in the way of real performance.

Steve explains why some of the fastest runners he's coached only started thriving once they let go of the pressure to be a runner, and how elite athletes like Sara Hall have learned to recalibrate their goals to preserve their peace of mind. He makes the case for ditching the data when it stops serving us, and why meaningful community—not metrics—is what actually makes us better.

They also unpack what running has to teach us about feeling deeply, building connection, and making space for the full human experience. Whether it's the emotional highs of crewing a friend at 2 a.m., the quiet power of a watchless workout, or the absurd relief of pushing an empty jogging stroller just to feel fast again—this conversation is a funny, honest, and refreshing reminder that running doesn't have to be a grind. It can be recess. And maybe that's the whole point.

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Alex Hutchinson on Why Doing Things the Hard Way Feels So Good May 13, 2025

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This week on The Trailhead, we're joined by one of the most thoughtful voices in endurance sports writing: Alex Hutchinson. You might know him from his Outside column, Sweat Science, or his bestselling book Endure. But today, we're talking about his newest work—The Explorer's Gene—and what it reveals about why we push into the unknown, whether we're climbing literal mountains or trying the weirdest thing on a menu.

In this wide-ranging and unexpectedly hilarious conversation, we dig into:

The "explore vs. exploit" dilemma, and how it shows up in our running, routines, and lives
Why inefficiency is essential to joy and creativity
How kids (and ultrarunners) are wired for uncertainty
The effort paradox: why hard things feel more meaningful
What AI, IKEA furniture, and running have in common

Alex also shares how becoming a parent and moving beyond his "Endurance Science Guy" brand shaped his perspective on curiosity, comfort zones, and career detours.

Whether you're stuck in a rut, planning your next big adventure, or wondering if it's time to zag instead of zig, this one's for you.

How Much Running Is Too Much Running? Asking for a Friend (feat. Mario Fraioli) Apr 29, 2025

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This week on The Trailhead, Zoë and Brendan put coach and writer Mario Fraioli in the hot seat with their burning trail running questions.

From "How slow is too slow?" to "When does running become hiking?" we tackle the big, the small, and the existential dilemmas runners face on (and off) the trail. Come for the laughs, stay for Mario's wisdom, and find out why running might just be a Sisyphean project we willingly signed up for.

Check out Mario on the Morning Shakeout.

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The Examined Run: Sabrina Little on Ethics, Excellence, and Everyday Choices Apr 15, 2025

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What does it mean to live a good life? And can your running practice help you get there? In this episode of The Trailhead, Zoë Rom and Brendan Leonard sit down with Sabrina Little: ultrarunner, philosopher, ethics professor, mom of (soon to be) three, and author of The Examined Run: Why Good People Make Better Runners.

Sabrina's work sits at the fascinating intersection of character development, everyday ethics, and endurance sports. She teaches philosophy at Christopher Newport University and writes a beloved ethics column for iRunFar—and she's here to explore how running can be a "laboratory for virtue," where our daily choices shape who we become both on and off the trail.

Together, we unpack:

How running teaches us about moral character (whether we know it or not)
Everyday ethical choices in sport and life—beyond the big scandals
Why we hedge the truth (even when no one's watching)
What it means to celebrate others' success while still chasing your own
The role of humor and humility in building resilience
How parenting and philosophy collide
And why runners aren't just chasing finish lines—they're practicing becoming better people.

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Links and Resources:

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Follow Sabrina on Instagram: @sabrina.little

This episode of The Trailhead is hosted by Zoë Rom and Brendan Leonard. It's part of the UltraSignup Podcast Network. If you loved this conversation, share it with your trail crew, leave us a review, and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an adventure.

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Meet The Rad New Trailhead Co-Host Apr 01, 2025

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Welcome Brendan Leonard to The Trailhead! He's the mind behind Semi-Rad, the master of stick figure cartoons, and now, he's Zoë's new co-host on The Trailhead. But instead of the usual "tell us about yourself" intro, we're doing things our way. In this episode, Brendan gets interviewed by the person who knows him best—his mom.

Kathy Leonard pulls no punches in this no-holds-barred sit-down, asking about everything from poop strategies to race regrets.

We also chat about what drew Brendan to ultrarunning, why the middle of the pack is where the magic happens, and how humor helps us survive the weirdest parts of trail running.

We're not here to chase clout or finish lines—we're here for the characters, the comedy, and the community that make this sport what it is.

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