The Starved Rock Murders with Andy Hale

A Big Court Ruling Awaits Jul 10, 2024

In this episode, Andy discusses the status of the legal proceedings and a big court hearing that awaits on September 11, 2024, and Whitny offers her thoughts on the road ahead.

Chester Names Names Mar 15, 2024

In this episode, Andy and Whitny identify and discuss the three brothers who are linked to a hair found on the glove of Frances Murphy. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

You Never Know Who You Might Run Into At The Grocery Store Mar 07, 2024

In this episode, Andy recounts Chester's chance encounter with a key person from the criminal case and also discusses his latest request to examine some interesting items recovered at the crime scene. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

Will County & Genetic Genealogy Results - Part Two Jan 04, 2024

In this episode, Whitny Braun joins Andy for a discussion about the genetic genealogy results and Will County's refusal to vacate Chester's conviction. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

Will County Continues To Refuse To Vacate Chester's Conviction Dec 28, 2023

In this episode, Andy discusses the disappointing news that, despite the genetic genealogy results, the Will County State's Attorney's Office is continuing to refuse to vacate Chester Weger's conviction. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

A Christmas Conversation With Chester And His Sister Mary Dec 21, 2023

In this episode, Andy sits down for a heartwarming and heartbreaking chat with Chester and his sister Mary about the long road to prove Chester's innocence. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

Case Update: A Genetic Genealogy Bombshell Dec 14, 2023

In this episode, Andy and Whitny discuss the recent results of genetic genealogy testing and the significant implications it has for Chester's case. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

Case Update: Chester Weger Receives A Great Court Ruling Sep 14, 2023

In this case update episode, Andy and Whitny discuss the court's recent ruling granting Chester Weger's petition for leave to file a successive post-conviction petition and the significance of this court ruling for the case moving forward. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

Case Update: Chester Weger Seeks Additional DNA Testing and Genetic Genealogy Testing Jul 27, 2023

In this case update episode, Andy and Whitny discuss the court’s ruling denying a new special prosecutor, Chester Weger’s request for additional DNA testing and genetic genealogy testing, and the controversial “John Reid” polygraph technique. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

BONUS: The Motion for a New Special Prosecutor + Whitny's Sinister Suspicions May 23, 2023

In this case update episode, Andy and Whitny discuss the recently filed motion to appoint a new special prosecutor and Whitny offers her opinions on why the Will County State's Attorney's Office has done so little to investigate the case. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

BONUS: The Petition for Post-Conviction Relief Mar 02, 2023

In this bonus episode, we discuss the recent filing of Chester’s Petition for Post-Conviction Relief, where the case goes from here, and some of the legal improprieties involved in Chester’s case. To support Chester's GoFundMe click here! For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

BONUS: Christmas Conversation with Chester and State's Attorney's Office Part Two Dec 21, 2022

There are many words associated with the Christmas season. Presents…cookies…family…egg nog and snow…but the spirit of Christmas is perhaps most closely associated with one word in particular: HOPE. In this bonus episode, as Christmas approaches, we wanted to share a conversation we had with Chester and his family. We also go into greater detail on the States Attorney's Office and the road we've taken to get to where we are today. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com. To support Chester's GoFundMe click here! -- And also exciting news! The Starved Rock Murders with Andy Hale is a finalist in the Signal Awards for "Best Exclusive Content and Experience!" There is a "voter's choice" part of this award so please please head to our website, andyhalepodcast.com, and click the link that takes you directly to where you can vote for us! Please share it out to your friends, family, followers as well! Thank you!

BONUS: The State's Attorney's Office Declines to Vacate Chester's Conviction Dec 08, 2022

In this bonus episode, we break down that decision and provide a roadmap of where we go from here, including additional forensic testing. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com. -- And also exciting news! The Starved Rock Murders with Andy Hale is a finalist in the Signal Awards for "Best Exclusive Content and Experience!" There is a "voter's choice" part of this award so please please head to our website, andyhalepodcast.com, and click the link that takes you directly to where you can vote for us! Please share it out to your friends, family, followers as well! Thank you!

BONUS: The Steve Stout Documents Oct 14, 2022

The plot thickens… If the 60+ year saga of the Starved Rock Murders were a three act play, the first act would be the crime itself, the second act would be the decades that passed and the rumors and whispers that swirled around the truth of what really happened…and the third act would provide the answers and an ending that brought the whole tale to some sort of resolution. We sit now on the cusp of the third act, where the plot thickens and there are revelations and plot twists in the story that make narrative begin to make complete sense. Those answers, those revelations that serve as our bridge from the second to the third act, that provide even further evidence of Chester Weger’s innocence and the conspiracy to use him as a patsy…well they were sitting all this time in a storage container in a garage in LaSalle County in the possession of the man who championed Chester’s guilt perhaps as loudly and confidently as anyone. And then ever so quietly that man turned those documents over to an obscure little archive in central Illinois where they might have simply continued to exist unseen by anyone who could make sense of the information contained within the fragile decaying pages. But that is not how the story will be written. The details, the names of the guilty and complicit, within those files, bring us to the beginning of Act III and the final push towards the exoneration of Chester Weger. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

BONUS: The DNA Results Aug 01, 2022

The long-awaited DNA results are in. In this special bonus episode we break down the results and their massive impact on the case. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

BONUS: A Massive Break In The Case Jul 21, 2022

This massive break in the case involves a woman reaching out to Andy and recounting a story she had been told by a family member about the Starved Rock Murders. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in this episode visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 14: A Conversation With Chester May 26, 2022

The biggest mistake anyone can make when it comes to the Starved Rock Murders is to think that this is simply a tragic episode relegated to an obscure chapter of 20th century history that no longer has any impact on any of our lives other than as intellectual fodder for a podcast. Make no mistake, this case is more relevant now than ever. Because, 62 years after the crime, the man who was sentenced to life in prison the murders is still alive. All the members of law enforcement who railroaded Chester are dead. All of the jurors are gone. All of the witnesses called to the stand have passed away. Chester’s wife, parents and many of his closest loved ones have been been laid to rest. But Chester Weger has endured. Wrap your mind around the fact that when Chester Weger’s freedom was taken from him in 1960, John F. Kennedy had just been elected President. Chester went away to prison before the Civil Rights Act was passed, before NASA put a man on the moon, before the Watergate Scandal, before Star Wars opened in theaters, before the personal computer, the internet, the cell phone, the smart phone and social media. Sixty years. Chester spent sixty years behind bars…six decades of a man’s life spent in a cell. And when he was finally released on parole in late February of 2020 it was into a world as alien to him as life on Mars. But within three weeks of his re-entry into the world the globe was gripped by a pandemic and Chester returned to a different form of prison…quarantine. Yet he has endured. And today at the age of 83 he continues to hold on to hope that his name will be cleared and justice will finally be served. So make no mistake, this case is not simply a story of historical intrigue, this is a living, breathing, active pursuit for justice. And the man at the center of all of this, Chester Weger, deserves to have his voice heard. In this episode I sit down with Chester, his sister Mary, and his niece Nita. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 13: More on the Palmatier Brothers (and our Top 25 list) May 19, 2022

In a criminal trial in the United States, the courts require that the jury find the accused to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It is the highest standard in the courts for evidence. In the case of Chester Weger, can anyone who knows the facts of the case, in good conscience, say that they believe he committed these murders beyond all reasonable doubt? Can any reasonable person who is presented with the fact that -- the tree branch was not the murder weapon, that the twine found on the women didn’t match the twine found in the kitchen at the Starved Rock Lodge where Chester worked, that a phone call was intercepted a week after the murders indicating other high-ranking people had knowledge of a “kid” with bloody overalls in the trunk of his car, and a thousand more details that contradict Chester Weger’s confession – possibly say that they believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Chester Weger is responsible for this brutal crime? The false narrative surrounding Chester Weger, constructed around a coerced confession, has been laid bare. This case, like a jigsaw puzzle, is made up of a thousand interlocking pieces. But when it comes to the State’s official case against Chester Weger, every piece is so obviously jammed into place and forced to fit. And when a piece couldn’t be forced to fit, it was fabricated to fit. The result wasn’t a puzzle solved but a grotesque mosaic, built on lies, manipulation and decades of deceit. The time has come, over sixty years later, to expose those lies and to prove, finally, the truth about the Starved Rock murders. In this episode we discuss the Palmatier Brothers in more detail, and give our top 25 list. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 12: Motives for Murder (and answers to questions from listener emails) May 14, 2022

Even though the murders at Starved Rock took place over six decades ago the anger, frustrations, fear, grief and guilt experienced by all of the people involved feel as palpable today as they did in 1960. Three women lost their lives, one man went to prison for sixty years, children lost parents, parents lost their children, and countless other souls became collateral damage in a horrendous miscarriage of justice that has left generational trauma and shattered lives in its wake. The question that haunts anyone who touches this case is what motivated this brutal crime? What demons possessed whoever performed this heinous act to savagely take the lives of three innocent women? Was it money? Was it lust? Greed? What sin drove someone to want one or more of these women dead and why? To do justice to this case, we must peel back all of the layers of the onion, no matter how much it might sting. The victims, the accused, and the families and community members whose lives were forever altered deserve the truth. As we have said before on this podcast, you can bury the dead but you can’t bury the truth. The ghosts of this case have haunted the dreams of too many people for too long. The truth is out there. We owe it to the victims to not be afraid to discover that truth, no matter how painful it might be. In this episode we discuss motives for murder, and answers to questions from listener emails. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 11: The Trial of the Century, Part 2 May 05, 2022

In 1961 when Chester Weger was convicted and sentenced to life in prison – the State knew that they had presented a false narrative to the jury. They knew their case was built on one false assertion after another and they proceeded anyway. The State knew that the tree limb could not have been the murder weapon. They knew from multiple reports that there had to have been more than one assailant. They knew from a lab report that a hair found at the crime scene did not match Chester Weger’s. They knew that the twine found in the Lodge’s kitchen and twine found at the crime scene were two different kinds. They knew that nothing had been stolen from the women and yet called it a botched robbery. They knew that a mysterious phone call had been intercepted by an operator who overheard two men discussing a third man’s bloody overalls in the trunk of a car that were related to the murders. They knew the identity of the two men on this phone call who were discussing a plan to burn the incriminating evidence. They knew that the official narrative was impossible. They knew that what they had presented to the jury wasn’t the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And even knowing all these things and more – the State still asked for Chester Weger to be strapped to an electric chair and killed. The State asked the jury to take the life of a man based on one thing and one thing only – an implausible confession – a confession the former prosecutor later called “absolutely ridiculous” - extracted after an admitted month long plan of psychological warfare - and hours and hours of interrogation – from an exhausted and terrified 21-year old dish washer. This episode is a continuation of The Trial of the Century. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 10: The Trial of the Century, Part 1 Apr 28, 2022

When Chester Weger went to trial in 1961, it was heralded by the media as the “Trial of the Century.” Throngs of people, ranging from hungry journalists to curious citizens, lined up outside the LaSalle County Courthouse in Ottawa, Illinois to try and get a coveted seat in the gallery. The quiet Illinois Valley community had never seen a spectacle of this kind. The press, armed with giant cameras and blinding flashbulbs, waited for the police to pull up and escort the accused into the courtroom. The Weger family had pooled what few financial resources they had to hire Chester an attorney – John McNamara. But even with a fine lawyer like McNamara, Chester was facing a prosecution, with its vast resources, that was interested in nothing less than the death penalty, execution by 50,000 volts. Three women were dead, and someone needed to pay. The public needed their pound of flesh and the State needed to put this case to rest. After a three-week trial, the jury returned its verdict: Guilty. But the question that haunted jurors long after the trial had ended was whether or not the right man had paid…Those doubts were evidenced by the fact that the jury elected not to sentence Chester Weger to the electric chair, as the State had demanded…Just in case they got it wrong. It’s likely his resolve to prove his innocence that has kept Chester alive all these years. For 62 years and counting, Chester Weger has been waiting for that evidence, that full picture, to finally emerge and definitively reveal that YES. . . they got it wrong and real killers have never been brought to justice. Andy and Whitny dive into the trial of the century and discuss what the jurors were never told. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 9: The Red Fibers (and Chester's cousin is mysteriously found dead) Apr 21, 2022

Solving a murder mystery is like solving a jigsaw puzzle in that you can’t see the full picture emerge until each individual piece interlocks with another surrounding piece. Solving the Starved Rock Murders is like attempting a 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzle but without the guide of the picture on the box. One piece is William Palmatier. Another piece is his brother Glenn. Yet another is the mysterious kid with the bloody overalls in the trunk of his car. These pieces interlock with the pieces of the story told by the acquaintance of Smokey Wrona. And those pieces interlock with eyewitness accounts, newspaper reports and physical evidence. Little by little the pieces are indeed coming together. But unlike a jigsaw puzzle from a box, not all of the puzzle pieces are on the table for us yet. DNA test results will provide a few more pieces. Yet to be discovered documents could add more. But perhaps the only way to finally complete this puzzle is with some small detail, some bit of minutia, remembered by someone out there listening…someone who may have the center puzzle piece necessary to finally bring all of these interlocking parts together and allow the full picture of what really happened six decades ago to be revealed. But until all of the pieces lock into place the search continues for any detail that can shed light on the truth of the Starved Rock Murders. This week we discuss a the mysterious red fibers and the mysteriously death of Chester's cousin. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 8: The Tip (the Smokey Wrona story) Apr 14, 2022

It’s an unfortunate reality that cold cases generally only grow colder with time. Evidence is lost. Memories fade. Witnesses die. Collective interest wanes. And eventually unsolved crimes become nothing more than local legends told around campfires. Hope of ever really finding answers all but vanishes. But sometimes the truth of what really happened in the past survives in something as simple as a tale told by the old timer at the end of a bar. The truth of the past can sometimes live on in the stories told to us that we may not even realize contain answers to questions we never thought to ask. Perhaps contained within a second-hand story passed from one generation to the next exists the truth of what really happened in St. Louis Canyon on March 14th, 1960. This week we discuss a tip we received, illuminating the story of Smokey Wrona. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 7: The Smoking Gun (bloody overalls and the conversation overheard by the telephone operator) Apr 07, 2022

In the months following the murders at Starved Rock countless reports, memos and other assorted documents were created. Some were preserved. Some were filed away and are still waiting to be discovered in rusty filing cabinets or disintegrating evidence boxes somewhere. Others have simply been lost or destroyed leaving us with only part of the story. But of the thousands of pages that still remain there are clues to what really happened in 1960. Sometimes sifting through these clues for something new, something relevant, something that can actually explain the truth of what happened can feel like searching for the proverbial needle in a haystack. But once in a case, sometimes once in a lifetime, you find that needle, that smoking gun… And just a week ago, after painstakingly reviewing old documents, we found it. We found a key document that will break this case wide open, the Zelensek Memo. In this episode, quick simply, we blow this case wide open. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 6: False Confessions (and the truth about how a person confesses to a crime they did not commit) Mar 31, 2022

A common response from those who subscribe to the belief that Chester Weger is guilty is simply: "he confessed...why would an innocent man confess? Surely no innocent person would ever confess to attacking three women and bashing their faces in before dragging them to a cave in the woods." In 1960 a confession was a one-way ticket to life in prison or the electric chair, and to most people a false confession was as improbable as the existence of Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. But in the six decades that Chester Weger sat behind bars, the concept of the false confession began to make its way into the public consciousness. Patterns began to emerge that created profiles for who was likely to succumb to the pressure of interrogation and falsely confess to a crime. Science and particularly DNA also made it common to disprove people's confessions. In this episode we discuss what makes an innocent person confess to a crime, what factors lead to a person reaching their mental breaking point, and then apply these learnings to Chester's case. Additionally, the team highlights some high-profile cases where average people confessed to gruesome crimes, only to be disproven later by DNA and other evidence. A common theme in many people's statements who have falsely confessed is that they had reached their breaking point in that moment but planned to prove their innocence when they got their day in court. As we look at the treatment Chester received at the hands of law enforcement, you should ask yourself…would you be able to withstand that same pressure? For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 6’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 5: Andy's Case for Premeditation (and why the law student turned FBI agent on the case thought so too) Mar 24, 2022

In the days following the murders law enforcement and the public seemed to gravitate towards the belief that only a depraved lunatic could have perpetrated such a heinous and depraved crime. Because who else but a madman would have reason to harm three lovely church-going ladies with no enemies? But did these women truly have no enemies? How much do we really know about the motive for the murders? When Chester Weger was ultimately charged with the murders his supposed motive was robbery, and yet curiously nothing was missing. Random robberies don't typically result in the complete and utter destruction of the faces of the victims and their bodies being dragged to a cave and displayed like macabre snow angels. In today's episode we explore the clues left behind at the crime scene that not only suggests that at least one of these women had an enemy and might have been targeted specifically, but also that many of the clues do indeed point to this being a premeditated crime. We also correct the notion that nothing was taken, because we do know that Frances Murphy’s fingertip is gone. Is that missing fingertip more evidence of premeditation? For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 5’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 4: Two Key Suspects: Gerald + George (one of which bludgeoned a girl to death a month later) Mar 17, 2022

Handwritten police notes, dating to the weeks and months, following the triple homicide at Starved Rock State Park indicate that hundreds of people were questioned. A spectrum of characters ranging from the women's restroom attendant at the lodge, to known sex offenders from as far away as Chicago, and interstate truck drivers, were all pressed as to their whereabouts on the afternoon of Monday, March 14th. Most interviews consisted of a few pages of notes or in some cases, a couple of paragraphs, but two suspects in particular, stand out from the pack for the sheer bizarreness of their statements and actions, George Spiros and Gerald Nemke. In this episode we explore a these two most compelling suspects, their circumstances at the time of the murder and how their backstories make them undeniably plausible perpetrators. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 3’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 3: The Crime Scene (and why the evidence doesn’t point to Chester) Mar 10, 2022

Imagine being any one of the members of law enforcement standing in St. Louis Canyon on March 16th, 1960. These were small town cops who had spent most of their careers dealing with domestic disputes, bar brawls and livestock theft. Suddenly, they were responsible for investigating the most high profile murder in the state’s history. All three women seemed to have been left posed. Their arms and legs were extended and spread out as if they were making snow angels, but their undergarments were pulled down, their wrists bound and their faces had been beaten so badly that they were unrecognizable. The crime scene provided more questions than answers but there was a tantalizing bit of evidence. In the clenched hand of Lillian Oetting were two strands of hair that didn’t belong to the victims. One hair was fine and light brown. The other strand was coarse and dark. Who did these hairs belong to? In this episode we explore the crime scene, key evidence collected, and how a closer look suggests Chester could not have committed this crime. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 3’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 2: Why the State’s Narrative Can’t Be Right (and where’s the missing finger?) Mar 04, 2022

Around 10:00 in the morning of Monday, March 14th, 1960 50-year-old Lillian Oetting, 50-year-old Mildred Lindquist and 47-year-old Frances Murphy, the wives of prominent businessmen from the affluent Chicago suburb of Riverside, Illinois packed their suitcases into the back of Lillian Oetting’s Cadillac station wagon and drove out of town. Their destination - the Starved Rock Lodge. What happens next is where the mystery begins. In this episode, we explore the timeline of events leading up to the crime, the crime scene itself, how the victims were killed, when they were killed, and highlight some critical details missed in the initial investigation. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 2’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

EP 1: The Enduring Mystery of Starved Rock Mar 03, 2022

In the winter of 1960 three women were found brutally murdered in a cave at the Starved Rock State Park. After months of dead ends, a manhunt ensued that ultimately pinned the crime on a 21-year-old dishwasher at the Starved Rock State Park Lodge, Chester Weger. In spite of contradictory physical evidence and under immense pressure from the police, Chester confessed to the crime. He has spent the last 60 years in prison, maintaining his innocence to this day. We kick off this series with an overview of this convoluted tale and the team talks about the parts of the case that cause issues with the integrity of the conviction. For more information, documents, photos, and other assets associated with and referenced in episode 1’s coverage of the case, visit andyhalepodcast.com.

Trailer: The Starved Rock Murders with Andy Hale Feb 17, 2022

In the winter of 1960 three women were found brutally murdered in a cave at the Starved Rock State Park. After months of dead ends, a manhunt ensued that ultimately pinned the crime on a 21-year-old dishwasher at the Starved Rock State Park Lodge, Chester Weger. In spite of contradictory physical evidence and under immense pressure from the police, Chester confessed to the crime. He has spent the last 60 years in prison, maintaining his innocence to this day. Join Andy Hale, a civil rights attorney who specializes in investigating wrongful convictions, as he dives deep into parts of the case that have been left out of previous coverage. As Chester Weger’s attorney, he is actively investigating the case and has won the right to test DNA from the crime scene for the first time in 60 years. If Chester is innocent, this will become the longest wrongful conviction case in United States history. This limited series podcast will re-examine the story you think you know, provide real-time case updates, including DNA testing, and access to documents and photos previously unreleased to the public, to uncover the truth of what really happened in Starved Rock State Park over half a century ago. Follow along at AndyHalePodcast.com

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