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    The Sales Evangelist

    I believe in doing BIG THINGS! You should be earning 6 figures easily as a sales rep. But chances are you are not…yet! Sales is the most important department in every company but many sellers are never taught how to effectively sell, much less how to earn their way to high-income status. My own career limped along until a company I worked for invested in sales training to help me succeed. Immediately afterward, I closed a deal worth 4X what the company spent on me and saw hockey-stick improvement in my performance. So I started a podcast to “Evangelize” what was working.

    Today I interview the world’s best sales experts, successful sellers, sales leaders and entrepreneurs who share their strategies to succeed in sales right now: folks like Jeffrey Gitomer, Jill Konrath, Bob Burg, and Guy Kawasaki to name a few. They share actionable insights and stories that will encourage, challenge, and motivate you to hustle your way to top income status. If you’re someone looking to take off in your sales career and earn the income you deserve, hit subscribe and let’s start doing BIG THINGS!

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    The Science Behind Closing More Deals | Lorenzo Bizzi - 1938 Oct 03, 2025
    Show notes

    Can research-backed data really help you sell better? My guest, Lorenzo Bizzi, author of Myth vs. Science of Selling, spent four years studying what actually drives sales success. In this episode, he uncovers the gap between popular sales advice and what the data reveals, sharing practical insights you can start applying right away to close more deals and lead more effectively.

    Meet Lorenzo Bizzi

    · Lorenzo Bizzi, Ph.D., is the author of Myths vs. Science of Selling: When Research Reveals the Opposite of Common Belief.

    · Professor of business at California State University, Fullerton, he has helped over one hundred businesses increase their sales, taught in programs in 18 countries, trained over 100 CEOs, has spoken as a distinguished speaker at major international events, and has been cited over 1,000 times, in academic and popular press, such as the Financial Times, Harvard Business Review, Inc. Magazine and many others.

    Debunking Popular Sales Myths

    · Lorenzo’s research highlights several common misconceptions in sales, such as the overemphasis on likability.

    · Contrary to what many gurus suggest, traits like agreeableness and warmth do not have a significant impact on sales performance—especially in B2B environments.

    · Instead, the data shows that buyers value organization and conscientiousness over charm.

    · Lorenzo emphasizes that being organized not only builds trust but also showcases reliability, which reassures buyers and helps close deals.

    The Right Kind of Excitement and Care

    · Another key finding: not all excitement is created equal. While feigned excitement falls flat, genuine enthusiasm shown when presenting real value or solving client problems can be powerful.

    · Also, customer orientation works best in moderation. Salespeople who focus too heavily on caring for each client can neglect crucial prospecting activities, which ultimately hampers performance.

    Tactical Insights: What to Say and How to Say It

    · Lorenzo shares research-backed advice on specific tactics:

    o Openings like "How are you?" are less effective than asking for permission or using more thoughtful, personalized introductions.

    o Personal disclosures help connection, but too much isn’t necessary.

    o Exaggerated adjectives or humor should match the buyer’s mood—scripted or forced approaches usually backfire.

    The Power of Self-Improvement and Mindset

    · Lorenzo explains that the most transformative advice isn’t about quick tactics, but about developing the right mindset.

    · Focusing on continual growth, reflecting on what works, and becoming a true master of problem-solving makes the greatest long-term impact.

    · Sales leaders should encourage team members to assess tactics, debate what works, and find intrinsic motivation.

    Practical Advice for Sales Leaders

    · For sales leaders, Lorenzo advises a blend of tactical training and deeper coaching.

    · Rather than dictating actions, foster a culture of questioning, reflection, and personal growth. This helps team members internalize new practices and truly elevate their game.

    “What will truly make an impact and allow you to succeed in sales is the way you approach problems and reduce uncertainty for your buyer.” - Lorenzo Bizzi.

    Resources

    Find his book, “Myth Versus Science of Selling,” on Amazon and visit his website, lorenzobizzi.com, for ongoing updates and additional tactics. He is also available on LinkedIn for connection and further discussion.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    How to Create a Value Proposition That Works | Zoltan Vardy - 1937 Sep 29, 2025
    Show notes

    Do you ever struggle to explain what you do in a way that clicks with prospects? My guest, Zoltan Vardy, is here to help. In this episode, he walks us through a live roleplay to demonstrate how you can clearly articulate your company’s value and get your message across with ease. Grab a pen and paper—you’ll want to jot down his simple, practical framework.

    Meet Zoltan Vardy

    · Zoltan Vardy is a B2B sales advisor, author, and speaker who helps founders accelerate their revenue growth by sharpening their focus and structuring their sales to scale faster.

    · He’s generated $2 billion in sales over his 30 years as a C-suite executive and entrepreneur and has helped 200+ startups in 26 countries close high-ticket deals using The Launch Code sales framework — also the foundation of his book on founder-led sales.

    · Zoltan has had successful exits as a founder and investor and is chairman of Antavo, an enterprise SaaS tech company.

    The Sales Messaging Problem

    · Salespeople and founders often list features and benefits when talking to customers, but this can overwhelm prospects with technical jargon, leaving them feeling confused.

    · With so much noise in today’s digital world, clarity and brevity are more important than ever.

    Zoltan’s Five-Step Value Proposition Framework

    · Zoltan shares his five-question framework to craft a powerful value proposition:

    o Identify the Problem: What is your target customer struggling with? What question are they asking themselves that your business answers?

    o Define the Target Customer: Who are you trying to help? What are the key traits of these companies or individuals?

    o Describe Your Product/Service: What is your offering in clear, simple terms?

    o Highlight the Key Benefit: What is the main advantage your customer gains from working with you?

    o Clarify Your Competitive Advantage: What makes your solution uniquely compelling and difficult for competitors to copy?

    Live Walkthrough: Crafting a Value Proposition for Blue Mango

    · I volunteer my own production company, Blue Mango, as a case study. Together, we dive into each step, discussing:

    o The challenges faced by traditional manufacturing companies in creating engaging content

    o The needs of marketing leaders at these firms for more lead generation and greater brand authority

    o The importance of defining Blue Mango as a content production agency with a sales focus

    o The main benefits: saving clients time and generating qualified leads

    o Blue Mango’s competitive advantage: expertise in integrating sales strategy with content production

    The Final Value Proposition

    · Using Zoltan’s structure, they draft a clear, compelling value proposition for Blue Mango:

    o “Blue Mango is a content production agency that helps traditional manufacturers generate leads by building a turnkey service that delivers social media and podcast content focused on supporting sales.”

    · Zoltan emphasizes that this message is succinct, easily repeatable in any setting, and serves as a launchpad for deeper conversation.

    Tips for Refining Your Message

    · Keep the language natural—imagine explaining what you do to a bright 12-year-old.

    · Avoid cramming in too many details or buzzwords.

    · Test your value proposition in real conversations and refine it as you go.

    · Remember: the purpose is to spark curiosity and open the door to further discussion, not explain everything at once.

    “Oftentimes, in an initial conversation, I’ll ask people to tell me how they would describe their company. From there, I can gauge how serious the prospect is and what kind of approach they need.” - Zoltan Vardy.

    Resources

    · Zoltan offers a free 30-minute training video and downloadable worksheet to help you craft your own value proposition. Access it at zoltanvardy.com/podcast.

    · Connect with Zoltan on LinkedIn.

    · Thinking about starting a podcast yourself? Learn more about Blue Mango Studios.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    My LinkedIn Influenced 50% of Chili Piper’s Open Pipeline | Alina Vandenberghe - 1936 Sep 26, 2025
    Show notes

    Can LinkedIn really influence 50% of your company’s pipeline? The short answer: yes. My guest, Alina Vandenberghe, co-founder of Chili Piper, joins me to share exactly how she made it happen. You’ll hear how she leveraged LinkedIn to drive more deals—without needing a massive following or traditional influencer status.

    Meet Alina Vandenberghe

    · Alina Vandenberghe shares how her personal LinkedIn efforts drive an astonishing 50% of Chili Piper’s open pipeline.

    · She busts the myth that only people with massive followings can have impact—her 42,000 followers create over 6 million impressions thanks to targeted, authentic engagement.

    Influence vs. Influencer: Changing the Narrative

    · We discuss the difference between “influencing” and being an “influencer.” She shows how you don’t need to be a celebrity or content-creator archetype to influence potential customers and pipeline—focus instead on genuinely impacting your audience.

    Overcoming Hesitation: From Fear to Purposeful Posting

    · Alina opens up about her initial fears of posting online, shaped by a quiet childhood and introverted tendencies.

    · The turning point came during the Ukraine crisis, when her desire to help others outweighed her fear of attention, reframing the idea of influence as a force for good.

    The Core of Content: Authenticity and Helpfulness

    · The secret to Alina’s successful posts? She removes the pressure to generate leads, focusing instead on providing value and helping her audience.

    · Alina emphasizes starting with the right intention—if your “why” is to help, your content will naturally resonate.

    Inspiration for Any Industry

    · Even in “boring” industries, Alina encourages sales reps to post what they learn daily, insights from customer conversations, or improvements in their sales craft.

    · As you gain confidence, share customer stories and industry trends relevant to your audience.

    Posting Frequency and Building the Authenticity Muscle

    · Alina posts two to three times a week, ensuring she’s inspired and has time for real engagement.

    · She stresses that authenticity is a muscle built both online and in everyday interactions—accepting quirks and being real, with yourself and others.

    "It's not the number of followers that counts, is the right kind of follower." - Alina Vandenberghe.

    Resources

    · Want to reach Alina or learn more about Chili Piper? Connect with her on LinkedIn.

    · B2B Social Media Guide

    If you’re trying to grow inbound and don’t know how to use LinkedIn for yourself or your team, this is for you. The most straightforward quick guide on how to turn B2B social into viral, buzz‑worthy content that builds brand and generates pipeline.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    How Influencers Drive Sales Pipeline | Michael Manzur - 1935 Sep 22, 2025
    Show notes

    Should salespeople become influencers? I’m a firm believer in this, and my guest, Michael Manzur, Founder & CEO of Flood Me Social, is back to discuss the importance of thought leadership and influencer marketing. He shares how building genuine influence and community online is the modern path to driving real results.

    From Audience to Community

    · You can’t just focus on your ideal audience as an influencer—you have to build a community.

    · Michael explains how sales professionals can use social media platforms like LinkedIn to create meaningful conversations, provide value, and position themselves as trusted thought leaders.

    · In today’s world of AI, influencer salespeople must do more than simply attract an audience—they need to create engagement that fosters stronger connections, leading to more opportunities and qualified leads.

    Common Mistakes Companies Make with Influencer Campaigns

    · Michael points out how many organizations jump into influencer campaigns without first aligning their business objectives with their social media and influencer marketing efforts. This often leads to confusion about goals and results.

    · Companies frequently delegate influencer marketing to already overloaded social media managers, causing burnout and a lack of focus on what’s truly driving results.

    · There’s often a disconnect among stakeholders, where campaigns are judged solely on surface-level metrics like impressions or comments, instead of tracking whether those efforts actually lead to sales or real business outcomes.

    The Impact of AI on Influencer Marketing

    · AI is beginning to disrupt influencer marketing by allowing brands to experiment with AI-generated creators, sometimes achieving results at a fraction of the traditional cost.

    · Despite technological changes, Michael noted that “the best practices don’t change”—AI influencers still need effective calls to action and strong community engagement to move the needle in sales.

    Steps for Sales Leaders and Executives

    · Start by understanding best practices in influencer marketing and ensure every campaign is tied back to clearly defined business objectives and sales targets.

    · Participate actively in the right communities, not just by broadcasting messages but by engaging—commenting on posts, sharing insights, and building thought leadership, particularly on platforms like LinkedIn.

    · When running influencer campaigns, carefully select the right creators, create detailed creative briefs, outline clear calls to action, and constantly monitor for results that matter—such as actual leads or conversions, not just likes or impressions.

    "The best way you can access influencer marketing and sales is just by sharing your thoughts in the community that you participate in." - Michael Manzur.

    Resources

    · Take a few minutes to check out the Goldman Sachs creator economy article and see for yourself how this massive shift is reshaping marketing and sales. Let this be your motivation to explore influencer campaigns, engage your communities, and make sure you’re not left behind.

    · Revisit episode 644 of the podcast with Michael and learn more about what he had to say about getting social on social media.

    · Reach out to Michael on LinkedIn for insights and consulting in faith-based, wellness, or broader B2B influencer marketing strategies!

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    The Hidden Pipeline for Top Sales Talent | Donald Kelly and Dr. BJ Allen - 1934 Sep 19, 2025
    Show notes

    I’m so excited about this episode. I have a good friend and co-host of our new podcast joining me. We’re here to introduce Sales 101: The B2B Classroom.

    It’s a podcast for sales professors on how you can help guide the next generation of sellers in our industry. Students and those already in the industry can still listen in — we share plenty of tips that can help you as well.

    Growth of College Sales Programs

    · BJ and I have taught sales at Brigham Young University for years. We’re starting to notice the growth of college sales programs compared to 20 years ago. BJ shares that there’s been a 50% increase in sales programs.

    · What’s so great about this is that students are able to gain sales skills before entering the field. It’s also an untapped recruiting source for modern B2B organizations.

    Hands-On Training in Academia

    · College sales programs allow students to gain real-life skills using frameworks like Challenger, SPIN,

    and MEDDIC, as well as industry tools (Salesforce, HubSpot).

    · They get time to role-play, use simulations, and gain practical hands-on experience.

    · For example, I shared a story about how students at BYU won sponsorship deals for their local theater.

    Integration of AI in Sales Education

    · I play a clip from Professor Barry on how he’s using AI tools to enhance role play, research, and call analysis while teaching his students.

    · This shows how college sales programs can help students learn to use AI-powered techniques for outreach, efficiency, and analytics.

    Why Listen to Sales 101: The B2B Classroom

    · Besides hearing our handsome voices, you’ll learn directly from sales college professionals and industry leaders about what’s working and what’s not. You’ll also hear firsthand from students about their real experiences in the field.

    · This podcast bridges thegap between academic sales programs and real-world B2B selling.

    · We spotlight the latest trends in sales education, share best practices from top university programs, and reveal how savvy companies are tapping into this talent pool to build their sales teams of the future.

    “We have one goal and that is to get our students jobs. We understand in order to get our students jobs, that theory doesn’t cut it alone.” - Dr. BJ Allen.

    "They're not only getting the book smart. They're getting learning from industry leaders, from guest lecturers, and they're getting practice." - Donald Kelly.

    Resources

    Sales 101: The B2B Classroom Podcast

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    The Planning Hack That Prints Money | Donald Kelly - 1933 Sep 15, 2025
    Show notes

    Planners, tablets, Google Calendar — you’d think with all these tools, you’d be able to stay on track with the tasks that bring in money. So why do silly distractions keep pulling your focus? Check out my strategy that will cut the noise and help you focus on what matters most.

    Every Monday Problem

    · You wake up feeling unbothered—until you remember everything you need to get done.

    · Suddenly, the pressure builds on your shoulders, and your mind may even jump to the worst-case scenario: freezing in the moment and not getting anything done.

    How to Shut the Noise

    · As a sales professional and business owner, I know how overwhelming it feels once you start thinking about all the tasks on your plate.

    · The best way I’ve found to avoid getting stressed is to start with the most critical tasks first. Tackling the hardest items right away gets them out of the way and sets you up for the best results throughout the day. Remember Kevin O’Leary’s 80/20 quote!

    · In this episode, I share my personal strategy for choosing which critical tasks to focus on and how to prioritize them so you can stay in control of your day.

    “You can have time in your day to breathe. Take a walk in the park, go to the gym, and focus on your physical health. You can’t do the work if you aren’t healthy.” – Donald Kelly

    Resources

    · If you like more guidance with improving your sales skills, join my Sales Mastermind Class.

    · Thinking about starting a podcast yourself? Learn more about Blue Mango Studios.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    The Relationship Currency | Ravi Rajani - 1932 Sep 12, 2025
    Show notes

    AI can do a lot, but it’s ineffective when it comes to building relationships with prospects. Even though creating connections is important, most sellers tend to struggle with this.

    I invited my guest, Ravi Rajani, a sales coach and author of Relationship Currency, to join me in this episode to discuss his newest book. He shares what inspired him to write this book and why sellers need to focus more on building relationships to create strong pipelines.

    The Origins of "Relationship Currency"

    · To start, Ravi discusses what inspired him to write his first book. He shares a funny story about talking to his mentor about the idea of writing a book while having a second baby on the way.

    · Looking back on his career and life, he noticed how much his relationships influenced his success. He learned that by building trust and communication skills, other sellers can achieve the same success.

    The Central Role of Trust

    · Would you be friends with your bestie if you didn't trust them? Your prospects feel the same way when it comes to doing business with you.

    · Trust is the glue that holds relationships together. In his book, Ravi talks about the "Three Cs" of trust:

    o Connection (the emotional bond)

    o Character (your invisible values)

    o Competence (showing expertise without being overbearing)

    · You need all three to establish lasting trust, whether with clients, colleagues, or partners.

    The Art of Listening and Empathetic Questions

    · Ravi explains how surface-level questions yield surface-level relationships, but conscious questions develops deep relationships.

    · A “conscious question” is rooted in positive intent and service. For example, instead of “How are you?” ask something you know the other person is emotionally invested in.

    Five Habits to Build Relationship Currency

    · Here are the five habits that help build the Three Cs:

    o Transform Your Internal Story: The relationship you have with yourself sets the tone for all others.

    o Ask Conscious Questions: Rooted in service and positive intent; paired with deep listening.

    o Unearth Your Charisma: True charisma makes others feel significant.

    o Tell Stories That Inspire Change: Especially social proof stories—show, don’t tell.

    o Become the Trusted Guide: Help others achieve their goals without self-interest, bringing all habits together.

    Ravi’s Advice for Leaders: Model the Change

    · If you want your team to be more passionate or authentic, you need to model that energy and intention yourself.

    · Reinforce these behaviors by acknowledging team members who practice them.

    · Genuine compliments go a long way—they activate the same brain areas as financial rewards!

    “I believe that the only currency that has mattered is relationships. And the only currency that will matter moving forward is relationships, especially in a world increasingly being shaped by AI.” - Ravi Rajani.

    Resources

    Ravi Rajani

    Book | Speaker, Coach & Consultant | Ravi Rajani

    Ravi Rajani’s mission is to help B2B tech sales teams ditch feature dumping for storytelling so they can get their prospect’s attention, become trusted advisors and win more relationships.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    Three Unconventional Prospecting Methods That Are Making A Come Back | Donald Kelly - 1931 Sep 08, 2025
    Show notes

    Old-school prospecting methods are making a comeback, and in this episode, I'm going to share three unconventional ones that you can take advantage of. Oh yeah, don't forget to check out my LinkedIn prospecting course at the bottom.

    Why Are These Prospecting Methods Coming Back?

    · These techniques are returning due to the world of AI. People want to connect, and it's getting harder to do that through technology alone.

    · Also, don't think methods like cold calling and email are dead. Instead, these methods are becoming the preferred ways to build trust and find a trusted source.

    1. Industry Events

    · One thing I've noticed about Reddit is that people love to connect with like-minded individuals to learn more about their industry.

    · Just about every industry has trade shows, which are ideal places for you to connect with trusted sources.

    · However, the key thing to remember is that you must become an insider of the trade show—not just a random attendee—to establish yourself as a trusted source.

    2. Referrals

    · I've said this over and over again: referrals work. People love to introduce others to each other; it gives them a sense of importance.

    · It also helps establish trust and increase client acquisition.

    3. Channel Partners

    · This method isn't as hard as you might think. The same amount of energy you spend finding one prospect, you can spend finding a channel partner. These are partners who have access to many prospects that you can work with.

    "9 out of 10 prospects like to give referrals, and only 11 percent of sellers ask for them. Go back to LinkedIn and ask for an introduction." - Donald Kelly

    Resources

    · If you like more guidance with improving your prospecting skills, join my LinkedIn Prospecting Course.

    · Thinking about starting a podcast yourself? Learn more about Blue Mango Studios.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    How To Seize Attention and Build Trust in a Busy World | Ron Tite - 1930 Sep 05, 2025
    Show notes

    We’re bringing back one of our most popular episodes from the archive with Ron Tite, because the lessons are just as relevant today as when we first recorded it. As salespeople, we all know that grabbing attention and earning trust are two of the hardest (and most critical) parts of the job. Ron breaks down exactly how to do both without relying on gimmicks or old-school tactics.

    Meet Ron Tite

    Ron Tite is the founder and keynote speaker of the Toronto-based agency Church+State, and the author of Think Do Say: How to Seize Attention and Build Trust in a Busy, Busy World. With a background as an executive creative director at a multinational ad agency and years of experience as a stand-up comedian, Ron brings a unique blend of creativity, storytelling, and practical business insight to the world of sales and marketing.

    Why Attention Alone Isn’t Enough

    Salespeople are fighting for space in an overcrowded marketplace. From flashy billboards in Times Square to hyper-targeted street-level sellers, everyone’s competing for attention. But attention without trust won’t get you very far. Ron explains why chasing vanity metrics is a dead end and how to build credibility in a noisy world.

    The Three Anchors: Think, Do, Say

    Ron shares a simple but powerful framework:

    · Think: What do you truly believe in as a salesperson?

    · Do: How are you reinforcing those beliefs through your actions?

    · Say: How are you communicating them authentically without falling into “pitch slap” mode? When you align these three, your outreach feels human, real, and trustworthy.

    Invest in Being Good

    Just like comedians can’t fake being funny, salespeople can’t fake caring about their clients. Long-term success doesn’t come from gimmicks or platform-hopping, it comes from genuinely adding value and building relationships.

    Real-World Examples

    · Red Bull: Their entire brand is built on a belief (life with an adrenaline rush is better) and consistently reinforced through actions and messaging.

    · Ron’s own career: His first big client came not from tricks, but from trust he’d built over years.

    Lessons for Sales Leaders

    · Don’t hire someone hoping they’ll “save” the business—hire coachable people who are hungry to learn.

    · Give your team clear responsibilities so they can excel where they’re strongest.

    · Focus on humanity and credibility over hacks and short-term wins.

    “Looking for ways to seize attention and build trust may be difficult, but resist the desire to scheme. Do the hard work, be human, and focus on solving real problems.” – Ron Tite

    Resources

    · Connect with Ron Tite on LinkedIn or follow him on Twitter and Instagram.

    · Check out his book: Think Do Say.

    · For more sales insights, connect with Donald on LinkedIn, Instagram, Twitter, or Facebook.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


    Cracking the C-Suite Code: What Executives Really Care About in 2025 | Jessica Gilmartin - 1929 Sep 01, 2025
    Show notes

    For decades, sales trainers have preached the gospel of “get to the decision-maker” or “sell to VITO, the very important top officer.” But does selling to the C-suite really unlock deals the way we’ve been told? On today’s episode, I sit down with Jessica Gilmartin, former CMO and CRO, now board member and advisor, to uncover the truth about executive decision-making. Jessica shares what salespeople misunderstand about the C-suite, why skipping over her team is a huge mistake, and how sellers can actually win executive support the right way.

    Meet Jessica Gilmartin

    Jessica has led marketing and revenue functions at fast-growing tech companies like Asana and Calendly. With years of experience as a CMO, CRO, and now board member, she’s been on the receiving end of countless sales pitches. Today, she advises companies on go-to-market strategy and knows firsthand how buying decisions really get made at the executive level.

    Stop Believing the “C-Suite Myth”

    Most sellers think if they can just land a meeting with the C-suite, the deal is theirs. Jessica says that couldn’t be further from the truth.

    · Executives don’t manage the day-to-day tech stack or tools their teams use.

    · For purchases under ~$50K, the decision almost never makes it to her desk.

    · When sellers bypass her team and go directly to her, it creates friction, wastes time, and makes everyone look bad.

    Where Decisions Actually Happen

    Jessica explains how most buying decisions flow:

    1. Team-driven research – Department leaders and managers identify priorities, evaluate vendors, and compare solutions.

    2. Executive oversight – CMOs, CROs, or CFOs step in only for large purchases, final budget approvals, or to present to the CEO/board.

    3. Headcount limits – Even with budget, implementation resources are scarce. Most companies can only onboard a few tools per quarter, regardless of ROI.

    Discovery With Executives? Don’t Do It.

    Executives don’t want to sit through basic discovery calls. By the time Jessica is looped in:

    · Sellers should already know the pain points and budget from her team.

    · Her role is to see a tailored demo, ask a few high-level questions, and give a final yes/no.

    “No executive likes to be disco’d. We hate it.” – Jessica Gilmartin

    Lessons for Sellers

    · Respect the chain of command. Build credibility with the people who will actually use the tool because they’re the ones who influence Jessica’s final decision.

    · Ask about budget and priorities early. If it’s not budgeted or prioritized, it’s unlikely to move forward, no matter how flashy your demo is.

    · Understand the headcount reality. Implementation capacity is often more limiting than money.

    · Tailor your message to priorities. Especially now, AI is top-of-mind for every executive team.

    Lessons for Sales Leaders

    · Train your team to identify the real decision-making process inside accounts.

    · Help reps build business acumen so they don’t embarrass themselves (or their prospects) by pushing too soon to the C-suite.

    · Coach reps to champion the “Darrens” inside organizations, the VPs and directors whose recommendations executives rely on.

    Resources

    · Connect with Jessica Gilmartin on LinkedIn

    · Learn more about executive decision-making by joining our Sales Mastermind Class

    · Thinking of starting a podcast? Check out Blue Mango Studios

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.


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