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S1E6 – The Retail Avengers vs The Trials of Digital Transformation & Innovation, Part 1Welcome to Season 1, Episode 6, the sixth episode of The Retail Razor Show!I’m your host, Ricardo Belmar, a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Influencer for 2022 & 2021, RIS News Top Movers and Shakers in Retail for 2021, advisory council member at George Mason University’s Center for Retail Transformation, and lead partner marketing advisor for retail & consumer goods at Microsoft.And I’m your co-host, Casey Golden, CEO of Luxlock and slayer of retail frankenstacks!Together, we’re your guides on the retail transformation journey. Whether you're thinking digital and online, mobile, or brick & mortar stores, we’ll help you cut through the clutter!For episode 6 we’re letting the Retail Avengers fly solo, sans guests, and dive into understanding the tailwinds of digital transformation and innovation in retail. Why is this so important for retailers, and how can retailers best develop a culture that supports digital transformation and innovation? Plus, we dig into how retailers can introduce outside ideas into that culture in a positive manner. This is the first of a two-part series on digital transformation and innovation!And big news! Our podcast is holding strong on the Feedspot Top 60 Retail podcasts list! We’re sitting strong at #21, so please do give us a 5-star review in Apple Podcasts or Spotify Podcasts if you like the show! With your help, we’ll be on our way to a Top 10 spot! Check it out here: https://blog.feedspot.com/retail_podcasts/The Retail Razor ShowFollow us on Twitter: https://bit.ly/TwRRazorConnect with us on LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/LI-RRazorJoin our club on Clubhouse: http://bit.ly/RRazorClubListen to us on Callin: https://bit.ly/RRCallinSubscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/RRShowYouTubeSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://bit.ly/RetailRazorShowRetail Razor Show Episode Page: https://bit.ly/RRShowPodHost → Ricardo Belmar,Follow on Twitter - https://bit.ly/twRBelmarConnect on LinkedIn - https://bit.ly/LIRBelmarRead my comments on RetailWire - https://bit.ly/RWRBelmarCo-host → Casey Golden,Follow on Twitter - https://bit.ly/twCaseyConnect on LinkedIn - https://bit.ly/LICaseyRead my comments on RetailWire - https://bit.ly/RWCaseyTRANSCRIPTS1E6 The Retail Avengers vs The Trials of Digital Transformation & Innovation, Part 1[00:00:20] Show Introduction[00:00:20] Ricardo Belmar: Hello. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. No matter what time of day you're listening , welcome, welcome to season one episode six of the Retail Razor Show. your host, Ricardo Belmar a RETHINK Retail, top retail influencer partner marketing advisor for retail and consumer goods at Microsoft.[00:00:36] Casey Golden: And I'm your co-host Casey Golden, CEO of Luxlock, obsessed with the relationship between a brand and a consumer. I've spent my career on the fashion and supply chain technology side of the business slaying franken-stacks. [00:00:49] Ricardo Belmar: So for this week, we're changing the pace a bit. This episode and the Retail Avengers fly solo, so to speak, sans guests, and specifically Jeff Roster joined me for the first part of the discussion. And then you can joined us Casey, talk about the future of digital transformation and innovation in retail.[00:01:05] is part one of a two-part discussion. And for this week we focused on understanding the challenges in corporate culture for retailers.[00:01:13] Casey Golden: The pandemic really changed the situation for retailers around innovation and digital transformation, Ricardo. Corporate cultures have changed down to the DNA of their organization. [00:01:23] Ricardo Belmar: Yeah, that's so true. Casey, and one area that's really introduced a massive change in that DNA and culture is in the IT budget. And we're not talking. How much retailers spend on infrastructure or the lights on with all their legacy systems. Now we're talking about the amount of budget spend on just pure innovation and transformation.[00:01:41] Successful retailers have really turned the corner on how much they spend on this . [00:01:45] Casey Golden: And even more importantly, they've overcome their fear t o experiment And you and Jeff really get into that a bit more. [00:01:52] Ricardo Belmar: Definitely. Definitely. So let's jump into the Clubhouse discussion and then we'll come back here and recap a bit. Plus talk about what really stands out to us from the whole discussion[00:02:00] Casey Golden: Sounds good. So before we get caught up in one of my favorite conversations, money, let's listen to the Retail Avengers versus the Trials of Digital Transformation and Innovation. [00:02:15] Clubhouse Session[00:02:15] Ricardo Belmar: welcome everybody into the retail razor room. I'm here with my fellow Retail Avenger, Jeff Roster. Jeff, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself. [00:02:23] Jeff Roster: So Jeff Roster former Gartner and IHL retail sector analyst now on a bunch of advisory boards and doing a podcast, this week in innovation, and rolling with Ricardo at retail tech predictions, 2025. [00:02:36] Ricardo Belmar: All right, thanks Jeff. And for anybody that doesn't know in the audience, I'm Ricardo Belmar. [00:02:40] I've been a long time retail tech guy at different technology providers and service providers to the retail industry. Now currently with Microsoft as a Partner Marketing Advisor in the U S so let's get rolling into our topic for today. We are going to talk about the future of digital transformation and innovation in retail and retail tech out towards 2025.[00:03:04] And if you're wondering why we picked this topic well, for one as you might guess from the title of Jeff's podcast This Week In Innovation, it's a topic near and dear to our hearts that we often find ourselves in conversations. If you've been to our rooms in the past, and you've heard from the other members of our team, you know, we all have a relationship with retail tech in some way.[00:03:23] And we're always interested in the future of innovation in this industry, which it's probably safe to say doesn't have the greatest history of being innovative in the past, but I would argue that in recent years that's been dramatically changing. [00:03:37] Would you agree, Jeff?, [00:03:38] Jeff Roster: Well, given, I started in 2000 when I'm literally, little to talk about. I mean, every, every day now there's something new. If you look at what's happened with, with artificial intelligence blockchain, all that edge every single day that, you know, there's 5, 6, 10, 15 articles to go through. Just an amazing, amazing amount of uptake.[00:03:56] Ricardo Belmar: Yeah, I agree. I forget where I seen this, but and I'm sure if you've seen it too, , if you just look at the sheer number of retail tech startups that are popping up now, this is a really hot market. There are retail tech startups, and just about every conceivable space of technology that's relevant to a retailer, including ones that maybe weren't thought of as little as a year or two ago I'll just give one example that I find myself talking about a lot lately and that's in the whole area of returns management.[00:04:20] And in some cases, even what I'll call return prevention analysis you could say that the rise of e-commerce has perhaps inflated the whole returns processing challenge for retailers. But I think that's an really interesting area now where there's a lot of new technology coming up in a lot of new retail tech startups, trying to address this problem and make it easier and therefore lower cost to handle returns.[00:04:42] Jeff Roster: You know, my podcast partner, Brian, and I think there's probably well over multiple thousands of retail sector startups. We're counting them in the thousands. [00:04:51] Ricardo Belmar: Yeah. In the thousands. I'm actually not surprised by that number. [00:04:54] Jeff Roster: I am a lot. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of people, but you know, if you just look at anybody that touches AI and they, and they put retail in their title, I mean, that sort of explains it.[00:05:06] How many are really hardcore will be successful. [00:05:09] Ricardo Belmar: That's a different question, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's a different question. You, you know, an interesting aspect to that, that I'd like to look at is where all of these new tech startups regardless of what aspect of retail technology they're addressing, there's a difference in who they're targeting, right.[00:05:26] Are we looking at thousands of startups that are targeting tier one retailers, or are we looking at thousands of startups that are distributed across targeting tier one retailers down to, you know, small business retail owners? [00:05:40] Jeff Roster: So typically. I don't know that I, I mean, no one's ever really asked that question or surveyed that group.[00:05:46] It's a pretty hard group to even survey since we're not even sure how many there are in just, you know, it's going to be a great question. I'm going to ask that going forward, but in the conversations I'm having more and more. It's usually when I ask what's segmentation, it's usually they say retail and you know, of course being an analyst, it drives me insane.[00:06:01] So tier one, tier two, tier three, tier four is not a whole lot of startups just saying, I want to go up during out tier four, tier five, it's all almost exclusively tier one, tier two. Right. And depending on your definition, I don't know Ricardo, if you have a different definition than I, but tier one's greater than a billion tier twos, nine 99 million to two 50 million in tier three, it's two 50 to 50.[00:06:21] And that's, that's the segmentation I've used for 20 years. So you could probably make the case. I need to bump up tier one to like a super tier one whatever, but it's, it's still a massive number. And literally, I can't think of a startup that's really going after tier four tier five. That would be a pretty tough.[00:06:35] For a startup, they're all, they're all trying to fill out, trying to go for the sweet [00:06:38] Ricardo Belmar: spot. Yeah. It, it, it's a scaling issue, right. For, for a startup is you want to maximize the size of my first few customers, right. To keep the business going and scaling to that was the small business set. Right. Where you're talking about, you know, you're going to spend just as much time working to sell that two store retailer as you are that tier one retailer.[00:06:59] Jeff Roster: Yeah. And so what you see with startups, just getting started as you see founders really being elite salespeople. Right. And if you're trying to establish a business and try to be your lead sales person, that is a really tough call to call on, you know, hundreds of tier two and three far, far better to work with tier one, tier two.[00:07:17] You're seeing retailers that are, are investing in startups, so you can look what Ulta cosmetics is doing. It's just, obviously Walmart's been, it's been doing that forever and Amazon and Target, so you're seeing, you can see probably, five or six. Yeah, probably probably 20 retailers that are aggressively investing in, start the start up community, let alone just, just find service, but literally investment now. And that trend we expect to see really continue and probably accelerate.[00:07:41] Ricardo Belmar: And that's, that's an interesting one to me because one of the things I hear most often from retail tech startups I've talked to is, the difficulty in finding that early investment and the right amount of investment for them to really fulfill the vision they have for the technology and the solution that they're developing. So I find it fascinating to see these larger retailers, like, the Ulta example you gave , for example, because sure Walmart, Amazon, those guys have been doing this for awhile. But we're branching down now into other retailers who are realizing, my best bet may be to invest in these retail tech startups, rather than looking for that clean, polished solution that's been in market for five years, that I'm going to hope that I can talk to at least three other retailer friends of mine who have already implemented this. I'm going to take the chance and invest in this one because I think their vision matches and aligns with what we need. And we'll be the ones to help them bring that solution forward.[00:08:32] Jeff Roster: Well, there's several incubators that are, that clearly that's their strategy. And I fall in love with the idea. I think, literally don't care. what some of my friends at some of the larger software providers, but it would probably argue with me, but I am telling you, there is a lot of innovation happening and we're seeing more and more and more with retailers letting somebody startups get in.[00:08:52] And, and they're literally building tech to spec. So I, you know, I think it's, I think it's really interesting. And then I think we'll see more and more retailers actually acquiring, a startup bringing that tech inside. [00:09:03] Ricardo Belmar: Yeah. Yeah. [00:09:03] We've seen that happen too. Yeah, I agree. . So here's what I think is really interesting and kind of going back to when I asked earlier about the segmenting of this and the targeting of this, because I often see many of these technology solutions as sort of an equalizer in a sense that if I'm that small retailer.[00:09:21] If I have the resources to adopt some of these solution, it may have the effect of putting me on more equal footing to my bigger retail competitors, because it's going to give me capabilities that by virtue of my being small, I can probably get them up and running faster than some of my larger counterparts that have too big an organization to move quickly enough.[00:09:41] And that might give me an advantage. At least even if I'm a local retailer, for example, it gives me an advantage in my local community competing to those big national brands, because I can deploy these things faster and get moving on them faster and reap the benefits of those technologies at a much quicker pace.[00:09:56] Jeff Roster: Yeah. So I wouldn't disagree with that, but you also have the right DNA in the retailer. You have to have a senior leadership team that says I'm okay with this experimentation and the ones that are successful, Walmart certainly, Target absolutely, Ulta absolutely, probably Sephora. I don't know them quite as well.[00:10:14] There there's just a different. They, they are very senior leadership now, not the technology people, but senior leadership are very, very acceptable of our accepting of experimentation risk. Let's throw the dice to a certain degree. We think we can get a big bang for it. And that's what I've been screaming about for 20 years, that we're an industry that needs to embrace that. It's completely unacceptable to say, every technology project has to be successful, you cannot do it.[00:10:40] And I think we're finally getting to that point and we're seeing, clear examples of retailers that are aggressive with tech are winning at the cash register and that's only going to accelerate. And I do think we're going to see a massive split off of retailers that are trying to play too safe and too comfortable.[00:10:57] I'm not going to use the the, a word I'm going to use the apocalypse word, but I…
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