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50 | Pete Scazzero on Pastoral Credibility & Establishing Trust Within the Church Sep 26, 2024

Pete Scazzero sits down with Rich Villodas to reflect on the lessons learned from his ministry journey. Together, they discuss the unique temptations pastors need to be on guard against, practical ways for pastors to lead out of their marriage and advice for the young leaders to sustain in ministry long-term.

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49 | Jimmy and Irene Rollins on Building Healthy Marriages & Relational Support for Pastors Sep 12, 2024

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Jimmy and Irene Rollins join Sharon Hodde Miller to share their own journey of overcoming addiction and unpack some of the unique challenges facing pastors’ marriages. They also share some practical ways pastors can guard the health of their marriages and offer guidance on ways congregations can better support pastors and their families.

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48 | Mark Matlock on Rethinking Evangelism & Reaching the Spiritually Curious Aug 29, 2024

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Glenn Packiam and Mark Matlock discuss how pastors can create a church environment that is open to spiritual exploration, what needs to change in our current approach to reaching the spiritually curious and some practical tips to starting those conversations.

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Learn more about Mark Matlock’s latest book, Faith For The Curious: How an Era of Spiritual Openness Shapes the Way We Live and Help Others Follow Jesus

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47 | Megan Fate Marshman on Leading Amidst Grief & Learning to Slow Down Aug 15, 2024

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Rich Villodas sits down with Megan Fate Marshman to discuss the impact of grief on spirituality and how her own grief journey has affected the way she leads. Together, they discuss different struggles she has faced as a preacher and how to slow down in today’s hustle culture.

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46 | Reward Sibanda on Spiritual Openness in the Next Generation & the Impact of Digital Technology Aug 01, 2024

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On today’s episode of the Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam and Reward Sibanda discuss the gaps in spiritual openness between the Church and the next generation, the impact of digital spaces and how spiritual disciplines like fasting are connected to holistic renewal.

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45 | Michael Wear on Navigating Political Polarization & the Spiritual Impact of Politics Jul 18, 2024

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Michael Wear sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss what it looks like for Christians to engage in politics, how spiritual health impacts the state of our politics and some practical ways to navigate political conversations. Michael also shares his personal experience working in the White House and the challenges he’s faced as a Christian in politics.

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Learn more about Michael Wear’s latest book, The Spirit of Our Politics: Spiritual Formation and the Renovation of Public Life

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44 | Daniel Im on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation in a Post-Everything Age Jul 04, 2024

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Daniel Im joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a post-everything world. Together, they explore the historical context of the church growth movement and its impact on church leadership, emphasizing the critical importance of developing robust discipleship pathways and the key role pastors play in guiding congregations toward spiritual growth and maturity.

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Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube Channel
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Learn more about Daniel Im’s latest book, The Discipleship Opportunity: How Can Our Churches Become Stronger, Healthier, and More On-Mission in Our Post-Everything World?

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43 | Lisa Whittle on the Pastoral Credibility Crisis & Rebuilding Trust Jun 20, 2024

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In this episode, Glenn, Rich and Sharon sit down to discuss the challenges pastors face in gaining and maintaining trust amidst a crisis of credibility. Then, Lisa Whittle shares her personal experience as the daughter of a pastor who experienced a public fall, emphasizing the need for accountability, compassion and grounding faith in Jesus to rebuild trust and resilience in ministry.

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Learn more about Lisa Whittle’s organization Ministry Strong.

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42 | Carey Nieuwhof on Developing Next Gen Leaders & Leadership Succession Jun 06, 2024

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Carey Nieuwhof sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about the trends he is noticing among younger generations of church leaders, lessons he learned from his pastoral succession at Connexus Church and practical advice he’d give to young leaders entering into ministry.

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Learn more about Carey Nieuwhof’s Art of Leadership Academy.

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41 | Dr. Anita Phillips on Pastors’ Mental Health & Betrayal Trauma May 23, 2024

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In this interview from the State of Pastors webcast, Dr. Anita Phillips joins Sharon Hodde Miller to discuss the similar emotional/mental health risk factors that pastors and entrepreneurs face, the trauma leaders face from relational losses in their churches and the ways that elder boards can better support pastors to get the help they need when they’re struggling.

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Coming Soon: Season 5 of ‘The Resilient Pastor’ Podcast May 21, 2024

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Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral well-being, church leadership and navigating the pressing cultural challenges of today.

New episodes start on May 23, 2024 and will be released every other Thursday. Subscribe to never miss an episode!

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40 | John Mark Comer on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation Jan 16, 2024

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John Mark Comer (teacher, author, founding pastor of Bridgetown Church) sits down with Rich Villodas to discuss what he’s learned as he stepped back from pastoring, why he’s underwhelmed by a Sunday-centric model of discipleship and the formative power that a rule of life has played in his personal life and leadership.

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39 | David Kinnaman on Spiritual Backstories, Deconstruction & Resilience Jan 02, 2024

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David Kinnaman (CEO, Barna Group) joins Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller to explore current trends in spiritual openness, the factors that contribute to people distancing themselves from the Church and how understanding people's spiritual backstories can be a gateway for meaningful faith conversations.

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38 | N.T. Wright on Vocation, Lament & Suffering Dec 19, 2023

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N.T. Wright (theologian and author) discusses with Glenn Packiam what he has learned about the gifts of prayer and lament in the church, trends he is seeing in vocational satisfaction for pastors and the encouragement that Paul’s letter to the Romans has to offer pastors and teachers.

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Learn more about N.T. Wright’s latest book,Into the Heart of Romans: A Deep Dive into Paul's Greatest Letter.

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37 | Jeanne Stevens on Community Engagement & Global Outreach Dec 12, 2023

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Jeanne Stevens (pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, IL) joins Glenn Packiam to share about how her church is engaging their local community, rethinking what global partnership can look like and what she’s learning about the power of presence through her own leadership journey.

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Learn more about Jeanne’s latest book, What’s Here Now, and discover how you can get involved with World Vision’s Chosen initiative today.
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36 | Gabriel Salguero on a Pastoral Approach to Addressing Current Events Nov 28, 2023

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Gabriel Salguero (pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, FL) sits down with Rich Villodas to discuss when to discuss national and local issues, finding balance between the priestly and prophetic callings of pastors and the importance of relational support for church leaders. Together, they also discuss trends he’s observing within the Latino church community and insights they offer for the broader church.

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35 | Jess Connolly on Ministry Burnout & Accepting Your Limitations Nov 14, 2023

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Jess Connolly (author, church planter, coach) talks with Sharon about the overlooked causes of burnout among church leaders. Together, they talk about the importance of not making exceptions to your limitations, the power of the ministry of absence and the important role of rest and time management for sustainable ministry.

Check out Jess’s upcoming book, Tired of Being Tired: Receive God’s Realistici Rest for Your Soul-Deep Exhaustion.

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34 | Ike Miller on Redeeming Childhood Wounds & Cultivating Healthy Relationships Oct 31, 2023

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Ike Miller joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the valuable insights he has gained from church planting, how painful childhood experiences and trauma shape pastor’s leadership styles and how to harness childhood wounds as a source of strength in addressing the needs of your congregation.

Check out Ike’s latest book Good Baggage: How Your Difficult Childhood Prepared You for Healthy Relationships.

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33 | Faith Eury Cho on Navigating Wilderness Seasons & Encountering God's Presence Oct 17, 2023

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Faith Eury Cho (co-pastor of Mosaic Covenant church) and Glenn Packiam discuss how to handle God's absence, developing awareness of His presence and managing ministry challenges during wilderness seasons. Plus, in the introduction discussion, Rich, Sharon and Glenn share their experiences in leading during spiritually dry spells and encouragement on expanding our understanding of God's presence.

Check out Faith’s latest book Experiencing Friendship With God: How the Wilderness Draws Us to His Presence.

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32 | Ken Shigematsu on Grace, Shame & Developing Healthy Rhythms Oct 03, 2023

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Ken Shigematsu (Senior Pastor of Tenth Church in Vancouver, BC) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about the role of confession in overcoming shame, the healing power of embracing God’s grace and how a rule of life can help leaders set healthy rhythms of rest and formation in their lives.

Check out Ken’s latest book Now I Become Myself: How Deep Grace Heals Our Shame and Restores Our True Self.

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31 | Chuck DeGroat on Narcissistic Leadership & Healing from Past Wounds Sep 19, 2023

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Chuck DeGroat (professor, therapist, author) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about how unhealed trauma can cause future leadership challenges and narcissism, practical ways pastors and church leaders can move towards healing from their past and how to lead confidently without feeling overly inhibited by the fear of being a narcissist.

Check out Chuck’s latest book When Narcissism Comes to Church.

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Welcome to Season 4 of 'The Resilient Pastor' Podcast Sep 15, 2023

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Season 4 of The Resilient Pastor podcast will be back on Tuesday! Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral health, church leadership and navigating complex challenges in today’s culture.
New episodes start on September 19. Share the Season 4 trailer, and subscribe to The Resilient Pastor wherever you listen to your podcasts.

30 | Beth Moore on Cultivating Resilience & Finding Hope in Hardship Jul 25, 2023

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Beth Moore (author, speaker, teacher) talks with Sharon Hodde Miller about staying open through criticism, lessons she’s learned from her years in ministry and leaving a legacy for future generations of church leaders. Additionally, Sharon, Glenn and Rich discuss the impact that a leader’s family of origin and patterns of trauma can have on how they show up in their ministry roles.

Beth’s memoir, All My Knotted-Up Life, is available wherever you buy books.

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28 | Bianca Olthoff on Preaching & Church Planting Jun 26, 2023

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Bianca Olthoff (church planter, author, speaker, podcaster) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about some of the emotional tolls of preaching, developing resilience through her journey with church planting and navigating the leadership challenges of political and cultural polarization.

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27 | Nijay Gupta on Women’s Roles in Scripture & in the Church Jun 13, 2023

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Nijay Gupta (New Testament professor at Northern Seminary) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about what we often misunderstand about the role of first century Greco-Roman women in society, unpack some of the language around titles and roles in the early church and offer practical ways to support women in churches and seminaries today.

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26 | Lucy Peppiatt on Revival & the Gifts of the Spirit May 30, 2023

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Lucy Peppiatt (Principal of Westminster Theological Centre) talks with Glenn Packiam about the role of spiritual disciplines in our lives with God, creating room for the Holy Spirit in both planned and spontaneous parts of ministry and differentiating between outpourings, renewal and revival.

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25 | Heather Thompson Day on Gen Z & Digital Technology May 16, 2023

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Dr. Heather Thompson Day (Associate Professor of Communication at Andrews University) discusses with Glenn Packiam why Gen Z in particular has such a desire for mentorship and relationships, how to communicate more effectively in your sermons through storytelling and the role of technology in connecting with the younger generations.

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24 | Ed Stetzer on Spiritual Openness & the State of Evangelism May 02, 2023

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Ed Stetzer (incoming dean of the Talbot School of Theology at Biola University) sits down with Glenn Packiam to comment on some of Barna’s latest research on spiritual openness, the unique opportunities for evangelism in this current moment and why missiology and theology matters for everyday church ministry decisions.

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23 | Kara Powell on Spiritual Formation & the Next Generation Apr 17, 2023

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Kara Powell (Executive Director of Fuller Youth Institute) joins Glenn Packiam to share about the power of intergenerational relationships, how good ecclesiology forms the development that happens in youth ministries and the impact of young people for the broader Church.

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22 | Esau McCaulley on Lent, Liturgy & Discipleship Apr 03, 2023

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Esau McCaulley (Associate Professor of New Testament at Wheaton) talks with Rich Villodas about the formative practice of following liturgical time, observing Lent as an act of humility and preaching on challenging scripture passages.

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21 | Tim Mackie on Bible Engagement, Digital Technology & Preaching Mar 20, 2023

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Tim Mackie (co-founder of the BibleProject) shares what it looked like for him to study scripture while being a pastor, ways to equip others to engage deeper in the Biblical narrative and how he continues to find deep delight in reading the Bible.

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Teaser: Season 3 of 'The Resilient Pastor' Podcast Mar 20, 2023

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Listen in as this season's co-hosts–Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller–share what they're looking forward to ahead in Season 3!
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BONUS EPISODE | Planning an Intentional 2023 with Glenn & Holly Packiam Jan 04, 2023

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In this special bonus episode, Glenn Packiam is joined by his wife, Holly Packiam, to talk about the reflection process they use to start each new year. Together, they offer some practical ideas for looking back on the year that has passed, identifying themes for the year ahead and putting this vision into practical rhythms for your daily life.
Learn more about The Intentional Year at www.glennpackiam.com/intentionalyear.
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20 | Derwin Gray on the Gospel & the Multiethnic Church Nov 14, 2022

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Derwin Gray (pastor of Transformation Church) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the important role the multi-ethnic church plays in today’s divided culture, moving your church beyond diversity as the end goal and shepherding people to see new perspectives on the Gospel.

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19 | Todd Proctor on Developing Next Gen Leaders & Tips for Leadership Succession Nov 07, 2022

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Todd Proctor (founder of Rock Harbor church and Executive Leader with Alpha USA) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about discipling young leaders, preparing your church for leadership transitions and the changes he’s seen in the culture of churches using Alpha as an evangelism tool.

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18 | Danielle Strickland on Cultivating Hope in an Age of Cynicism Oct 31, 2022

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Danielle Strickland (author, speaker) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss how she’s discovered hope amidst challenging seasons, the connection between humility and hope and practical spiritual disciplines to help us move past cynicism.

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17 | Jenni Clayville on Team-Based Leadership & Multisite Ministry Oct 24, 2022

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Jenni Clayville (pastor at National Community Church) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about the systems her team uses for leading across multiple church campuses, what it takes to build a team of diverse perspectives and creating a foundation of relationships with your church staff.

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16 | Kaitlyn Schiess on the Liturgy of Politics Oct 17, 2022

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Kaitlyn Schiess (writer and speaker) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about being formed by the political and cultural worlds around us, engaging with faith in seasons of political turmoil and what we can learn by taking an audit of our ongoing spiritual and cultural practices.
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15 | Pete Greig on Leading Prayer Gatherings & Navigating Unanswered Prayer Oct 10, 2022

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Pete Greig (founder of 24-7 Prayer) talks with Glenn Packiam about how to hold a successful corporate prayer gathering, what he’s seeing with prayer movements around the world and ways to hold space for both scripture and prophecy.

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14 | Noemi Chavez on Church Planting and Leading a Multicultural Church Oct 03, 2022

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Noemi Chavez (pastor of Revive Church in Los Angeles, CA) shares about the trends she’s seeing in the Latino Church, the impact of bi-vocational (or “co-vocational”) leaders and some of the challenges that church planters are having to navigate.
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13 | Raymond Chang on Asian American History & Seeking Unity in the Church Sep 26, 2022

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Raymond Chang (TENx10 Senior Director of Partnerships at Fuller Seminary) talks about the challenges that Asian Americans have faced over time in the United States, the gifts the Asian American Church has to offer the broader Church and practical steps for seeking unity amidst difference.

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12 | Christine Caine on Activating Women in the Church & Discovering a Broader Mission Sep 19, 2022

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Christine Caine (founder of A21 Campaign, speaker, author) sits down in-person with Glenn Packiam to talk about bridging the gap between evangelism and justice work, the unique challenges women in the Church are facing and the hunger for the presence of God that she’s seeing in Gen Z.

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11 | Russell Moore on Christian Nationalism & Public Theology Sep 13, 2022

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Russell Moore (Editor in Chief at Christianity Today) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss how pastors can engage well in the civic space, redefining what Christian nationalism looks like and understanding the threat Christian nationalism plays for the Church today.
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BONUS EPISODE | Q&A with Listener Questions Aug 15, 2022

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In this summer bonus episode, Glenn Packiam sits down to answer listener questions, including:

How can I navigate political tensions and divisions in my congregation and from the pulpit?
How do you balance being a boss and a friend to your staff?
How are you approaching deconstruction in younger generations?
What would you say to someone considering entering ministry at a later age who feels it might be too late?
What advice would you give someone who just finished seminary and is entering full-time ministry?

We hope you’re encouraged by Glenn’s reflections, and don’t forget to mark your calendars for the Season 2 launch of the Resilient Pastor podcast, coming to wherever you listen on September 13, 2022.
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10 | Scott Sauls on Chasing Unity & Leading with Vulnerability Jun 13, 2022

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Scott Sauls (Senior Pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, TN) joins Glenn Packiam to share how he’s preached on his own journey with mental health, the prophetic shift he’s seeing in public dialogue and practical ways for leaders to shepherd their people well through challenging seasons.
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09 | Ruth Haley Barton on Rhythms of Work & Rest May 30, 2022

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Ruth Haley Barton (author and founder of the Transforming Center) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the transformative practice of sabbath, how technology disrupts our ability to rest and the deep inner-work of taking a sabbatical.

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08 | Sharon Hodde Miller on Leading in a Culture of Control & Anxiety May 16, 2022

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Sharon Hodde Miller (teaching pastor, author) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about managing the anxiety of the people you are leading, differentiating between agency and control and the challenges she has faced leading through the pandemic.

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07 | Ashlee Eiland on Team Leadership & Transitions May 02, 2022

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Ashlee Eiland (pastor and writer) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about how she stays grounded in seasons of transition, what she has learned about co-leading a church and key takeaways on delegating responsibilities in challenging seasons.
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06 | Jay Y. Kim on Digital Church & Discipleship Apr 18, 2022

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Jay Kim (pastor at WestGate Church) sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss digital platforms as a new doorway for churches, how online spaces shape Christian’s spiritual formation and redemptive ways for leaders to engage in social media.

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05 | Sean Palmer on Preaching, the Enneagram & the Pastor’s Soul Apr 04, 2022

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Sean Palmer (Teaching Pastor at Ecclesia Houston) talks with Glenn Packiam about the important role of preaching in a pastor's calling and vocation. Together, they explore how sermons are tied to a pastor’s sense of identity, the role of the Enneagram in leadership development and some practical advice for today’s young preachers.
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04 | Joy Clarkson on Rethinking Happiness & Finding Better Metaphors for Your Life Mar 21, 2022

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Dr. Joy Clarkson (author and theologian) joins host Glenn Packiam to discuss a new definition of happiness for believers, how we understand our limitations through the metaphors we choose and the importance of accepting your circumstances as a leader.
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03 | Steve Cuss on Leadership Anxiety, Counseling & Pastoral Relationships Mar 07, 2022

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Steve Cuss (author, consultant) sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss the challenges of cultivating close friendships as a pastor, encouragement for leaders addressing their own mental health and why loneliness is a systemic issue for many pastors.

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02 | Tara Beth Leach on Leading through Seasons of Grief & Suffering Feb 22, 2022

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Tara Beth Leach (pastor, preacher, writer) joins host Glenn Packiam to share about leading through personal loss and grief, finding hope in the local church and her encouragement for women leading in ministry.

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Connect with Tara Beth Leach and check out her latest book, Radiant Church, through her website at TaraBethLeach.com.

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01 | Rich Villodas on Pastoral Burnout, Differentiation & the Impacts of Trauma Feb 07, 2022

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In this first episode, Rich Villodas (Pastor of New Life Fellowship) joins host Glenn Packiam to talk about pastoral health and the effects of trauma. Together, they discuss setting healthy boundaries as a pastor, how the Church can grow in trauma awareness and why the health of the pastor is vital for the well-being of the broader church community.

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Introducing: The Resilient Pastor Podcast Jan 19, 2022

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Join pastor and Barna Senior fellow, Dr. Glenn Packiam, as he invites leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of church leadership in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, he will highlight a key bit of Barna data or an insight into the challenges pastors are facing. Then, he’ll host a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.

Look out for the first episode on February 8, 2022.

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