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    The Refined Collective Podcast

    In The Refined Collective podcast, host and author of Sexless in the City, Kat Harris creates a safe space to have honest conversations around faith, sexuality, relationships, politics, identity, Christian culture, deconstruction, and more. *What does the Bible really say about sex? *How does our faith impact our politics? *Is Christianity at odds with science? *Is the Bible still relevant? From purity culture, to deconstruction, dating apps, and LGTBQ+ issues—there’s no topic that’s off the table. In this podcast Kat doesn’t pretend to be an expert, or to have all the answers about faith or Christianity. And though it’d be more convenient to have easy black-and-white answers, she invites you to discover God in the grey and unexpected spaces. Her hope is to look doubt in the face, be curious, seek God, and ask meaningful questions to address any ‘elephant in the room’ with openness, nuance and grace.


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    That’s What He Said: Sexual Formation + Cultivating Desire with Jon Tyson Dec 02, 2020
    Show notes

    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    Welcome back to the That’s What He Said series, where I ask men all the questions you’re DYING to know. Last week, Tim Timberlake shared some practical tips for single women to prepare for marriage, because marriage is sacrifice, y’all— are you setting yourself up for success in singleness? Listen to that episode here if you missed it.

    This week, I’m wrapping up the That’s What He Said series that has carried us through this fall with a conversation I had with Church of the City in New York pastor Jon Tyson a few years ago. He is also the author of Beautiful Resistance and The Burden is Light, husband and father. This entire series has been all about asking men from all over the U.S. both married, single, dating, and everywhere in-between your top dating and relationship questions.

    But we can’t talk about dating without talking about sex, desire, and sexuality. And we can’t talk about any of those things without talking about God--the Creator of all of it (What better way to end the series right?).

    The majority of church conversations around sex are about do’s and don’ts rather than formation and theology, so Jon and I talk all about how to have a nuanced Biblical view of sex and desire.

    Hook-up Culture + Porn

    • So many people are disillusioned with hookup culture and with porn. When it comes to the church, most people who attend are single and frustrated.
    • “People are wrestling profoundly with the sense of being left out, where they look at people in the world who seem to be doing whatever they want and having some level of fun.”

    How Did We Get Here?

    • One thing that has transformed everything in the sexual culture we live in is technology.
    • Porn is available to everyone, giving the option to get sexual satisfaction without human connection. But human connection is crucial to the sexual experience.
    • What has the church’s response to this been? Moral standards and will power will give you holiness. But this approach does not work.

    Sexual Formation

    • When it comes to spiritual formation, we’re always asking ourselves: “Who am I becoming by what I am doing?”
    • Apply this same concept to your sexuality. “It’s staggering how much harm and how much blessing can come from sexuality.”
    • Jon asks why we as a society date people we know we don’t actually like. Is it because we lack a vision for our love life?

    The 4 Points of Christian Sexuality

    1. Sex points beyond itself.
    2. Holistic integration.
    3. Self-control strengthens our vision.
    4. It’s a witness to the world.

    Further Reading

    • Check out Jon’s NEW BOOK: Beautiful Resistance: The Joy of Conviction in a Culture of Compromise.
    • Check out Jon’s book The Burden Is Light: Liberating Your Life from the Tyranny of Performance and Success.
    • Read the NYT article Jon talks about: What Teenagers Are Learning From Online Porn.
    • Jon recommends these books if you want to dive further into this conversation: Divine Sex by Jonathan Grant, Love Thy Body by Nancy Pearcey, and A Better Story by Glynn Harrison.

    Resources

    • Keep up with Jon at church.nyc and on IG at @churchofthecitynewyork and @jontyson.
    • Check out Jon’s “The Controversial Jesus” series on YouTube.
    • Curious about when I decided to wait for marriage? Listen to this podcast episode.
    • Want more of a conversation on masturbation? Listen to this episode then this episode.
    • Need help on how to communicate to the person you’re dating that you’re waiting for marriage? Listen to this episode.
    • Need more help navigating your sexual desire? Check out this episode of the podcast.
    • Curious about how to navigate physical boundaries in dating? This episode of the podcast is for you.

    We’ve been diving into some pretty big conversations around dating and what it’s like being single in today’s culture. Maybe you feel uncomfortable connecting with me on IG in a public way, so I created a private Facebook community for single ladies. (P.S. I’m always giving dating advice over there!) Head over to bit.ly/trw-singleladies to join this community of women lifting each other up!

    You know how they say it takes a village to raise a kid? Well, this podcast is like my baby. Did you know you could financially support their favorite podcasts for as little as $5/mo. (That’s cheaper than a cup of NYC coffee y’all!) Head over to Patreon.com/therefinedcollective to see how you can support the podcast (and get some pretty awesome goodies as a thank you)!

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    That’s What He Said: Marriage Prep 101: Sacrifice, Intentionality + Growth with Tim Timberlake Nov 24, 2020
    Show notes

    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    Welcome back to the That’s What He Said series, where I ask men all the questions you’re DYING to know. Last week, Ben Stuart answered the most asked question in the Christian single lady community: where are all of the single Godly men? His answer is thoughtful, encouraging, and challenging. Listen here if you missed it.

    This week, I’m talking with pastor Tim Timberlake. He is the pastor of Christian Faith Center in North Carolina. He’s been married to wife Jen for over 5 years and together they have the cutest son, Maxwell Ace Timberlake. He considers himself a Christian first, husband second, father third, and pastor fourth. In this conversation from the archives, we talk about how you can grow with a person in marriage, what your “list” of perfect qualities should look like, and how we can practice sacrifice as single women. Because guess what? Marriage requires sacrifice!

    How do you grow together in marriage?

    • Tim shares his experience as a divorced man who went on to find the love of his life.
    • “You can absolutely be married to God’s perfect choice, but if both people aren’t pursuing God, then that quickly changes.”
    • Communication can help us to grow together, because change is inevitable.
    • “We don’t get let down by what happens to us, we get let down by what we expected not to happen to us.”

    3 things to put on your list

    1. Common Ground.
    2. Shared Faith.
    3. Physical attraction!

    How can we prep for marriage as single people?

    • Love is a choice and there is no other relationship that sets us up for the sacrifices and commitment through the tough times when we are in seasons of singleness.
    • He notes that whenever he finds himself being short with the people he loves, he can pinpoint it to not spending enough time with God.
    • “I want this person to win more than I want to win in this relationship.”

    Lightning round

    • Can guys tell when a woman likes her? ABSOLUTELY! But misreads do happen.
    • Does attraction have to be there from the start? Attraction will constantly evolve.
    • Which do you value more—respect or love? Respect and honor go hand in hand. Honor is impossible without love. There has to be action behind it.
    • How do I know if he likes me? If he makes sacrifices for you, he’s serious about you. There’s a distinction to be made between want (convenience) and like.

    “It takes time to make something that is good. Anything that comes into your life prematurely, arrives too small. Be patient. Know that the wait will be worth it. God has His perfect plan for your life that He is building up for you.”

    Resources

    • Keep up with Tim at TimTimberlake.tv.
    • Follow Tim on Instagram at @ttimberlake and Twitter at @timtimberlake.

    You know how they say it takes a village to raise a kid? Well, this podcast is like my baby. Did you know you could financially support their favorite podcasts for as little as $5/mo. (That’s cheaper than a cup of NYC coffee y’all!) Head over to Patreon.com/therefinedcollective to see how you can support the podcast (and get some pretty awesome goodies as a thank you)!

    We’ve been diving into some pretty big conversations around dating and what it’s like being single in today’s culture. Maybe you feel uncomfortable connecting with me on IG in a public way, so I created a private Facebook community for single ladies. (P.S. I’m always giving dating advice over there!) Head over to bit.ly/trw-singleladies to join this community of women lifting each other up!

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    That’s What He Said: Where Are All the Single Godly Men? With Ben Stuart Nov 18, 2020
    Show notes

    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    Welcome back to the That’s What He Said series, where I ask men all the questions you’re DYING to know. Last week, we took a short break with the series so I could address the sex scandals that have been exposed recently in the evangelical church. It’s a hard conversation, but it’s one we need to be having. You can take a listen here.

    This week, I’m sharing the conversation I had with Ben Stuart a while back. He is the pastor of Passion City Church DC, but before that he ran a college and singles ministry. Basically, he has worked with a lot of young single Christians. DC is one of the loneliest cities in America and people longing for connection come to his church to find it. We do a deep dive into the question “Where are all of the single Godly men?” plus how you can have a healthy dynamic in male/female friendships.

    Where are all of the single Godly men?

    • There are two levels to this question: physically where are they… and why are they not pursuing me?
    • He notes the social implications of technology has changed the dating scene. People are losing the personal connection and ability to socialize in person.
    • Only 12% of single women were asked out in the last year.
    • “I know great men that are running in the world, and if you get running in a healthy direction, you’re going to see them out there.”
    • There can be a blame shift that happens when we lament that there are no guys out there.
    • Around 10% of women ask men out every year—they want to be pursued!

    How can you have a healthy dynamic in a male/female friendship?

    • Friendship is possible, but it’s important to ask yourself and the other person what friendship really means.
    • “If you say, ‘I want to be friends,’ but any other person’s presence makes you feel threatened… you don’t want to be friends. You want possession.”
    • Long term, is it worth spending all of your energy on male friendships? When you get married, would you husband be comfortable with them around?
    • Are we too busy getting all of our micro-needs met by several guy friends to have our needs met by one romantic partner?
    • “Decoupling commitment and sex damaged both. We lost both.”

    Resources

    • Keep up with Ben on Instagram at @ben_stuart_.
    • Hear more from Ben on the Passion City Church DC Podcast and YouTube Channel.
    • Check out Ben’s new book Single, Dating, Engaged, Married: Navigating Life and Love in the Modern Age.
    • Read Cheap Sex by Mark Regnerus.
    • Read A Return to Modesty by Wendy Shalit.

    You know how they say it takes a village to raise a kid? Well, this podcast is like my baby. Did you know you could financially support their favorite podcasts for as little as $5/mo. (That’s cheaper than a cup of NYC coffee y’all!) Head over to Patreon.com/therefinedcollective to see how you can support the podcast (and get some pretty awesome goodies as a thank you)!

    If you’re a creative, you know the drill. You’re finally done editing. It’s perfect. Now you just need to format...and re-format...for every single platform. With Issuu, make it once, and it’s ready to post everywhere. Issuu is the all-in-one platform to create and distribute beautiful digital publications, from brochures to magazines to sales collateral and more. Get started with Issuu today for FREE or if you sign up for a premium account you will get 50% off when you go to ISSUU.com/podcast and use promo code KAT.

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    Another One Bites the Dust: Sex Scandals in the Evangelical Church Nov 12, 2020
    Show notes

    Trigger warning (and kiddo warning): As the episode title suggests, I am going to be talking about some hard topics and sharing some vulnerable stories.

    It’s time to acknowledge the elephant in the room

    • It feels dismissive to do a podcast on dating this week.
    • I am committed to being honest with you and have hard conversations. I’m committed to moving towards that thing that is uncomfortable because I honestly think it’s what we all long for.
    • I might say it wrong, I may peel back in hindsight, I may be misunderstood, you may disagree. My hope is that this gets you talking, processing, and thinking critically.
    • Also caveat: we’re all humans, we all mess up. We all need redemption.

    Here’s what’s going on

    • Evangelical leaders are being exposed at a rapid rate for their moral failures. This year, we have:
    1. Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. exposed.
    2. Pastor John Gray exposed for being unfaithful to his wife.
    3. Christian Comedian John Crist exposed for sex addiction.
    4. Hillsong NYC Pastor Carl Lentz (my former pastor) was fired for “leadership issues, breaches of trust, and moral failures”. The day after the news was made public, Carl released a statement on Instagram admitting to cheating on his wife. Since then, at least one woman has come forward claiming a 5-month relationship with Carl that ended just last week.
    • So this is where we are… I am sad. I am hurting. I am angry. I am tired of seeing pastor after male pastor lack integrity and accountability. The fallout of this behavior is deeper and wider than even we can comprehend.

    Acknowledge those hurting

    • The most overlooked people in these scenarios are those who have been hurt, betrayed, abused, by the offender/predator/addict/etc.
    • Jesus always took care of the hurting.

    o With all these men’s public confession… let’s be clear that all of these men got CAUGHT and THEN confessed. There is an outpouring of praise: “What a good man. Your ministry has blessed me so much.”

    • Dismissal of pain. We’re allowed to be angry. Gaslighting and spiritual manipulation.
    • Misunderstanding of biblical forgiveness
    • Steve Farrar’s sermon on forgiveness.
    • Phylicia Masonheimer: There’s a difference between forgiveness and restoration.

    To the hurting and betrayed: I acknowledge you

    • Wives and children: humiliation, betrayal, breach of trust
    • Those who worked with and led with who feel blindsided
    • To those who worked for and served under them
    • To those who attended their ministries
    • To the people of color who feel heartbroken because Carl has been such a voice in the racial justice conversation and Black Lives Matter movement.
    • I ACKNOWLEDGE YOU. I acknowledge your pain. What happened was wrong, and I’m so sorry you are going through this.

    The fallout and heartache is deep and wide

    • You are allowed to grieve
    • You are allowed to be angry
    • You are allowed to process
    • No one has the right to tell you how you should feel or when you should be “over” this.

    Do we have such low view of men?

    • Whispering between the lines of all this public praise for a confession is another message: boys will be boys
    • When will we stop believe the lies that sexual integrity is harder for men than it is for women

    o The crushing pressure of my sexual purity and the sexual integrity of men is on my shoulders is wrong. It was never ours to carry, and men it’s time you take ownership.

    • Men just as much made in the image of God as women are.
    • Women are just as much sexual beings as men are.
    • I call BS on the whole thing. Do you really have such low view of men that we think them incapable of learning how to control their urges and impulses?
    • I don’t accept this behavior and I’m mad not because I think poorly of men, but because I view highly of men.
    • You are a reflection of the image of God, just as women are. It’s time to hold yourself to a higher standard.
    • It’s time to do the work, get accountability for real.
    • Oppression stops not when the oppressed takes a stand, but when the oppressor repents and turns around.

    o One of the most upsetting things was that it was men in the comments praising the fallen pastor and I saw one lonely woman who said “No. Not okay”. Men, why are you leaving this up to us?”

    • Men, I love you. Be better.

    Church, we have to do better

    • When we allow this behavior to go on in our church walls, the church no longer is a safe place for the disadvantaged, for the oppressed, for the ostracized, the abused, but a sanctuary for the religious elite, privileged, and those who are abusing their power.
    • Jesus hated abuse of power. We see Jesus flipping over tables in the temple and yelling at the religious elite, “You brood of vipers.” Why? The house of God became a place where those in power abused their power and took advantage of the weak. Do I believe in forgiveness? Do I believe in restoration? Of course. But this behavior should make us angry and spur us to action on behalf of those being taken advantage of. Why? Because this behavior makes Jesus angry.
    • My plea to the church: we have to do better.
    • The church is supposed to be a witness to the world. A reflection of Jesus us— the Jesus who has transformed our lives. Yet, is the church as it stands today a witness to world beckoning hope, acceptance, unconditional love, mercy, and grace? We are a house divided. We are a mockery of what it means to reflect the God image to a world longing for restoration.

    Pause to look inward

    • I’m not above or below having a lapse in judgement or a moral failure. No one is.
    • We become who we are through tiny decisions that we do or do not make every single day. Every thought, action, posture of the heart, compromise big or small leads us on a path towards life or destruction. Who are you becoming?
    • I have been quick to anger, quickly offended, sharp tongues, and I want to apologize for that. I have been blind to my judgmental spirit because I have felt right. It has felt justifiable.

    “Being a Christian can be confusing. Our faith is unique among the world’s religions in its central teaching of grace, yet it’s known as a religion of works. Christianity is supposed to be defined by love, yet Christians are viewed as judgmental hypocrites. Our faith proclaims forgiveness of sin, yet we are often remembered for our self-righteous behavior. One research group studying evangelical Christians revealed these public perceptions: “Evangelicals were called illiterate, greedy, psychos, racist, stupid, narrow-minded, bigots, idiots, fanatics, nut cases, screaming loons, delusional, simpletons, pompous, morons, cruel, nitwits, and freaks, and that’s just a partial list…some people don’t have any idea what Evangelicals actually are or what they believe—they just know that can’t stand Evangelicals.” …I have struggled with the gap between what I say and how I live. I have struggled profoundly to integrate my faith into my personal life. Have you felt this tension?” —Jon Tyson, The Burden is Light

    I am no better

    • I am one wrong decision away from crazy.
    • Who am I? Who do I want to be? Who has access to my life?
    • Do I have the courage to be known in the moment and not just after a crisis or when I’m found out?
    • I reached out to several pastor and mentors and friends this week and said, “Hey, I don’t want this to be me. Will you walk with me? I want to be known.”
    • Who are you becoming?

    I want to speak peace and hope over you, me, us. Hope does not put us to shame. Jesus’ heart is to make all things new. Jesus makes us new, makes the church new, comforts us, brings us peace. Restore only what you can restore.

    Resources

    • TRC Ep 114: Why Are So Many People Leaving the Evangelical Church Right Now?with Addison Bevere
    • Read Phylicia Masonheimer’s IG poston repentance and restoration.
    • Listen to Steve Farrar’s sermon “Anchored in Forgiveness.”
    • Check out Jon Tyson’s book The Burden is Light.
    • Announcement from Hillsong Church Global Senior Pastor Brian Houston.
    • The Sun article where the woman came forward about her relationship with Carl Lentz.

    You know how they say it takes a village to raise a kid? Well, this podcast is like my baby. Did you know you could financially support their favorite podcasts for as little as $5/mo. (That’s cheaper than a cup of NYC coffee y’all!) Head over to Patreon.com/therefinedcollective to see how you can support the podcast (and get some pretty awesome goodies as a thank you)!

    If you’re a creative, you know the drill. You’re finally done editing. It’s perfect. Now you just need to format...and re-format...for every single platform. With Issuu, make it once, and it’s ready to post everywhere. Issuu is the all-in-one platform to create and distribute beautiful digital publications, from brochures to magazines to sales collateral and more. Get started with Issuu today for FREE or if you sign up for a premium account you will get 50% off when you go to ISSUU.com/podcast and use promo code KAT.

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    That's What He Said: Is Asking for a Set-Up Desperate? with Matt Jones Nov 04, 2020
    Show notes

    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    Welcome back to the That’s What He Said series, where I ask men all the questions you’re DYING to know. We took a short break last week to cover some important topics around faith and politics during this election. As a little refresher, the last episode of That’s What He Said was with Jeff Johnson. He shared all about how a break can be used for growth, the biggest fears guys have in relationships, and how to discuss porn when the guy you’re dating shares that he struggles with it. Check it out here if you missed it.

    This week, I’m talking with Matt Jones. This episode is pretty special for a few reasons. Firstly, this is the only episode in the That’s What He Said series that has never been heard before! This conversation is still from the archives, but it was never released. Secondly, Matt is the oldest single guy in this series. I know it can feel exhausting to hear advice from young married people who are encouraging you to trust in God’s timing. Matt is in his late 30s and putting in the work. Since having this conversation, he has entered a serious and committed relationship. I can’t wait for you to hear everything he has to share!

    What are your feelings on set-ups?

    • I asked everyone on Instagram and it broke. the. internet. so I asked Matt about his thoughts on set-ups as someone who has been set up before.
    • Many women feel shame for asking to be set up because it feels like “I can’t get dates on my own,” which is devastating because set-ups can be SO valuable!
    • Instead of feeling shame when someone tries to set you up, recognize that your reach is limited and people in your circle are able to extend that reach.

    Do you know what you want?

    • Matt reflects on how at 35, a switch flipped when it came to dating.
    • “As I developed and grew and matured, my priorities changed and my intentions changed.”
    • Living in LA, Matt recognizes that being single is a lot more common— people are pursuing their dreams and careers above marriage and having a family.
    • Having spent so much time dating, he recognizes what he wants in a woman and what a healthy relationship looks like for him. That’s so valuable.
    • “When it comes down to the really important stuff… there’s a lack of connection if you’re not centered in the same place.”

    Mindset in Singleness

    • Should you pursue or wait on God’s timing? Both.
    • Matt admits that he spent much of his singleness in a pity party and this is what prevented him from finding his person during that time.
    • “Take a really good long look at yourself and see how you might be contributing to your own singleness before putting it on society or culture or the location of where you live, or your age, or your circumstances.”

    Resources

    • Keep up with Matt on Instagram at @MattJones6.
    • Listen to That’s What He Said: DM Dating // Going from DMs to Real Life with Jamal Miller
    • Listen to That’s What He Said: How to Let Him Know You’re Into Him with Jarod Nickerson
    • Listen to That’s What He Said: How to Create a Culture of Honor in Dating with Jeff Johnson

    You know how they say it takes a village to raise a kid? Well, this podcast is like my baby. Did you know you could financially support their favorite podcasts for as little as $5/mo. (That’s cheaper than a cup of NYC coffee y’all!) Head over to Patreon.com/therefinedcollective to see how you can support the podcast (and get some pretty awesome goodies as a thank you)!

    We’ve been diving into some pretty big conversations around dating and what it’s like being single in today’s culture. Maybe you feel uncomfortable connecting with me on IG in a public way, so I created a private Facebook community for single ladies. (P.S. I’m always giving dating advice over there!) Head over to bit.ly/trw-singleladies to join this community of women lifting each other up!

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Faith + Politics Part II: Can I Love My Neighbor Through My Politics? with Stephanie Summers Oct 28, 2020
    Show notes

    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    On Monday, I had a conversation with speaker and author Ashley Abercrombie on why being pro-birth isn’t enough and how to have a compassionate and nuanced dialogue around abortion. Today, the conversation around faith and politics continues. How does our faith impact how we vote? Can we love our neighbor through our politics?

    I’m exploring this conversation with Stephanie Summers. She is the CEO of the Center for Public Justice, an independent, non-partisan civic education and public policy organization based in Washington, D.C. She has dedicated her life to learning and ministry and justice and I can’t wait for you to hear everything she has to share.

    How to find accurate/truthful info on candidates

    • Read your local paper— it’s the best place to learn about local politics
    • Attend a local forum or access them on the internet— hear the candidate directly
    • Ask friends who might be more connected to/involved in the political scene
    • Reach out directly to the campaigns

    What your vote really means

    • “Politics is a way that we respond to God’s call to love our neighbors.”
    • Voting is a way to achieve proximate justice.
    • “My vote isn’t designed to be all about me, but it’s really about the wellbeing, the shalom, the flourishing of our community.”
    • Every human being is made in God’s image, not just the ones we agree with politically.

    How to show up in patience and love with someone who is on the other side of you

    • None of this is a one-and-done conversation.
    • Pray for openness to hear the other side— and a humility to admit, “I could be wrong— God, show me.” Pray for softened hearts. “God, what do you want from me here?”
    • It’s not your job to convince someone to get on your side.

    “As God’s people, there is more that unites us in Christ than divides us in politics. We have forgotten that in many ways.”

    The election is November 3rd, what happens next?

    • “The election is not the end; it’s the beginning.”
    • Get to know your community policies and officials so you don’t feel overwhelmed the week before the next election.
    • Get involved with political discipleship groups to help you think about, use, and develop tools to show up with intentionality as a person of faith with politics.
    • Shared Justice Journal covers a lot of political topics and faith. It will help you wrestle some nuanced and hard topics.

    How do we look at a candidate holistically?

    • Pandemic response and racial justice are both significant issues right now
    • Think about what it means to be well as a nation
    • Posture of unity, even if we don’t agree (as opposed to punishment if you don’t believe in ‘x’s side.

    Can we separate someone’s personal character from their policy?

    • Ask yourself these questions:
      • If your pastor had terrible character, would you be okay if your church was growing and people were getting free?
      • If your boss treated you and your coworkers maliciously, but pays you really well?
    • Think about your response. Do you care about the process or the outcome?

    Resources

    • Keep up with all things Center for Public Justice at org, on Instagram at @centerpublicjustice, and on Twitter at @cpjustice.
    • Check out org and sharedjustice.org to stay informed.
    • Listen to Faith + Politics Part I: Why Pro-Birth Isn’t Enough with Ashley Abercrombie
    • Watch my IGTV: “I don’t support Trump… Can we be friends if we disagree politically?”
    • Listen to Why Black Lives Matter

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    [BONUS] Faith + Politics Part I: Why Pro-Birth is Not Enough with Ashley Abercrombie Oct 26, 2020
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    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    This week, we’re taking a break from the That’s What He Said series, because it has been on my heart to share resources and stories to support you in the upcoming election (on November 3, in case you need a reminder). I want to ask the hard questions and give you space to ask those hard questions to and wrestle and pray. So this week, I’m talking to repeat guest Ashley Abercrombie and we’re having an honest conversation about abortion, pro-life, and pro-birth. We are so grateful that you are listening to this conversation, even if it might make you uncomfortable.

    Here’s what’s been going through my mind recently:

    • How does our faith impact how we vote?
    • What does it really mean to be pro-life?
    • What does it mean to be a single-issue voter?
    • And how can I have a robust + holistic view of a candidate without getting sucked into the propaganda + emotion of it all?

    Why Do Women Have Abortions?

    • Poverty: women not having the capacity to care for both themselves and a child.
    • 25% of the abortions in the United States are had by married women.
    • Victims of domestic violence will turn to abortion when they fear bringing a child into an abusive home.
    • “Abortion doesn’t have a specific face.”

    Why Are You Anti-Abortion?

    • Is this something you inherited from your faith community growing up?
    • Is this something your parents taught you?
    • Is it a value you hold dear because you have researched the issue and are pro-life, pro-birth, and pro-mother?

    Pro-Life vs. Pro-Birth and Pro-Mother

    • Being pro-mother means advocating for women’s right to have a good birth experience. Simple things like having a decent maternity leave.
    • When we talk about pro-life, we need to be considering the full life of both the child and mother.
    • “We cannot just be pro-birth people, we have to be pro-life. It’s who God is.”

    "I do not believe that just because you are opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, a child educated, a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.”

    • Sister Joan Chittister, on a Bill Moyers interview in 2004

    3 Assumptions Voting Pro-Life and Republican

    1. A Republican will appoint pro-life people in the Supreme Court and thus overturn Roe v. Wade
    • For the last 49 years, Republicans have owned the majority in the Supreme Court, yet no overturn.
    • In 1992, there was an 8:1 ratio of Republicans to Democrats in the Supreme Court. When given the chance to turn down abortion, they didn’t.
    1. Overturning Roe is the key to ending abortion
    • Roe decision didn’t legalize abortion
    • In 1776, abortion was legal everywhere in the United states
    • In the 1930s, doctors reported 800k legal abortions— similar to numbers to that of today
    1. Policies of Republicans decrease abortions and Democrats increase abortions
    • Republicans // Pro-Life
      • Overturn Roe v. Wade
      • No taxpayer funding
      • Defund Planned Parenthood
      • Baby’s right to life
    • Democrats // Pro-Choice
      • Support Roe v. Wade
      • Taxpayer funding for abortions
      • Expand Planned Parenthood
      • Mother’s right to privacy

    Why Have Abortions Been Declining Since the 1980s?

    1. Fewer women are facing unplanned pregnancies
    2. Reduced teen sexual activity
    3. More access to healthcare and contraceptives
    4. New state restrictions (i.e. late-term abortions)
    5. More affordable adoptions

    None of these things happen because of Roe v. Wade, a presidential candidate, or a Supreme Court justice.

    “We don’t have to agree on everything to be connected to one another.”

    Resources

    • Keep up with Ashley at org and on IG at @ashabercrombie
    • How To Live Authentically Without Prematurely Sharing Your Story with Ashley Abercrombie on TRC
    • How to Own Your Voice: A Conversation on Consent with Tiffany Bluhm on TRC
    • Ashley and Tiffany’s podcast episode: Why Pro-Birth Isn’t Enough Tho
    • My thoughts on Trump: watch this IGTV
    • Buy Ashley’s books Rise of the Truth Teller and Love is the Resistance.
    • “Policies, Persons, and Paths to Ruin” by John Piper
    • Further listening on evangelicals and politics on NPR
    • Further reading from Ashley: The Stigma and Shame of Abortion.

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    That’s What He Said: How to Create a Culture of Honor in Dating with Jeff Johnson Oct 21, 2020
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    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    Welcome back to the That’s What He Said series, where I ask men all the questions you’re DYING to know. Last week, Jarod Nickerson shared some major insight into things like, “What should I do if I’m put in the friend zone?” “Does attraction have to be there from the start or can it grow?” and “How can I communicate that I’m developing feelings for a guy without being too forward?” Check it out here if you missed it!

    This week, I’m sharing the conversation I had a while back with Jeff Johnson, a worship pastor at Passion City Church in Atlanta. This episode, we talk a lot about his relationship with his wife, Jourdan. Their love story is a beautiful reminder that love stories will look different for everyone. He also shares how a break can be used for growth, the biggest fears guys have in relationships, and how to discuss porn when the guy you’re dating shared that he struggles with it.

    Does attraction have to be there from the start?

    • Jeff was physically attracted to Jourdan since the first time he saw her, but he was attracted to her personality as well.
    • “Her character speaks louder than her beauty.”

    How can a break be used for growth?

    • They broke up after being together for 8 years. Jeff thought he just needed time to work on himself and they would get back together, but Jourdan moved on and started dating a new guy.
    • When they got back together two years later, their prioritization of communication made the relationship strong.

    Which do you value more, respect or love?

    • “Guys want to feel respected and like they carry weight in the relationship.”
    • He acknowledges a lot of men out there did not have the male leaders guiding them to step into their roles as a man.
    • Sometimes we need to just remember that we all have blown it, and it is not productive to expect perfection from the other person.

    What are the biggest fears guys have in relationships?

    • If they open up about something, they want to know they will be accepted and understood. They want to feel safe.
    • Being with someone 24/7, everything comes out into the open. “When you get married, there is nothing off the table.”
    • “I know your story and it’s covered by grace, just like my story is covered by grace.”

    What about porn?

    • It’s hard for women to hear these struggles because they often fall into the trap of thinking they are not enough, which is not the case.
    • How do you know a guy is serious about recovery from pornography? A huge litmus test: Do you see friends in his life bringing him closer to Christ and challenging him on this? Is he willing to work and fight through his issues? Or is he a passive bystander to his growth?

    Resources

    • Keep up with Jeff at jeffjohnsonband.org and on Instagram at @jeffejohnson.
    • Follow Jeff’s wife, Jourdan, on Instagram at @jourdanjohnson.
    • Listen to Jeff Johnson’s music on iTunes.

    You may or may not know that I am writing a book! It’s called Sexless in the City: A Sometimes Sassy, Sometimes Painful, Always Honest Look at Dating, Desire, and Sex and it’s coming out in April 2021! Want to stay up to date on all things book related, from book tour, to joining my launch team, to special in-person events (God willing)? Head over to bit.ly/Trw-book so you can be the first to know.

    You know how they say it takes a village to raise a kid? Well, this podcast is like my baby. Did you know you could financially support their favorite podcasts for as little as $5/mo. (That’s cheaper than a cup of NYC coffee y’all!) Head over to Patreon.com/therefinedcollective to see how you can support the podcast (and get some pretty awesome goodies as a thank you)!

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    That’s What He Said: How to Let Him Know You’re Into Him with Jarod Nickerson Oct 14, 2020
    Show notes

    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    Welcome back to the That’s What He Said series, where I ask men all the questions you’re DYING to know. Last week, Jamal Miller got real with us about expectations in dating, whether it’s how we meet the person (be open to sliding into DMs— it works!), or what qualities we imagine our future spouse will have. Check it out here if you missed it.

    This week, I’m sharing the conversation I had a while back with LA-based mental and fitness coach Jarod Nickerson. Believe it or not, we covered pretty much every single question you guys sent in. Curious whether or not he can tell you have a crush on him? Want to let him know you’re interested, but you’re afraid of being too forward? Or maybe you’re just too afraid, period? (Who else gets sweaty palms??) Jarod shares some insight on these questions and so many more.

    1. Do guys know when a girl has a crush on them?

    • Every guy is different, but plenty of guys are oblivious.

    2. Do guys develop attraction over time, or does it have to be there from the get-go?

    • A lot of the time, attraction will be there from the start, but it’s possible for the attraction to develop as they get to know a girl.
    • “It’s kind of the reflection of the heart manifesting outside the body.”

    3. Which do you value more: respect or love?

    • Love and respect go hand in hand.
    • “If someone doesn’t respect you, then how can they love you?”

    4. How do I know if he likes me?

    • There are a lot of things to consider: Do they have self-awareness? If someone knows who they are, they can be more confident.

    5. Is it true that if he’s interested, he’ll pursue/do whatever it takes to make it happen?

    • A guy will pursue and do whatever it takes to make it happen until it’s clear she does not want to pursue anything.

    6. Do you think guys + girls can be just friends?

    • Jarod believes it is possible but knows there can be confusion for some friendships. It all comes down to being transparent and honest.

    7. How can I let him know I’m interested in more than just friends w/o being too aggressive/forward?

    • Confidence is sexy and honesty is important. Let it out, but don’t hang on it.
    • “If someone can’t handle you being real and honest with them, then they’re probably not someone who is always going to be calling you up and out for the rest of your life.”

    8. Would you date a woman that doesn’t share your worldview/faith?

    • Jarod says no, in short. It’s important to share a worldview.
    • “If they are truly a seeker and have a good heart, then maybe you could court that relationship, but for me I’m a follower of Jesus and if they’re not following Jesus it’s not going to work.”

    9. Are you intimidated by a woman with a successful career?

    • He wants the answer to be no, but the honest answer is “probably.”
    • “All you’re doing is comparing yourself to how you think it should be, not necessarily what it is.”
    • The time when it can feel most intimidating is at the start of a relationship, but he would definitely still ask her out.

    10. What’s something that women do that feels emasculating?

    • Distrust and not supporting his future would be devastating.
    • “My biggest fear in life is not supporting my future family.”

    11. What’s something a woman can do to honor you/makes you feel like a man?

    • Belief—everyone loves to have someone believe in them.

    12. What are you looking for in a relationship/partner?

    • “I’m looking for someone who is going to challenge me, push me, and believe in me. I only want someone in my life if they’re going to call me up to be better. I don’t want just a cheerleader.”

    13. Why do you think a lot of guys don’t want to date within their own community i.e. church?

    • He notes the challenges that arise when there is close proximity in this way. If it doesn’t work out—a guy doesn’t want that ‘Scarlett letter.’
    • Don’t let fear be motivating any of your decisions in relationships.

    14. Where are all the single godly men—do you think there are more single than women, or does it just seem like that?

    • The question is rooted in fear.
    • “Am I walking in alignment in the identity of the woman God has made?”
    • If you’re pursuing what God has put on your heart, you’ll see Godly men on that same path.
    • “Ask the Lord to quiet your mind and ask Him to speak.”

    Resources

    • Keep up with Jarod on Instagram at @jarod.nickerson (you’ll notice he’s no longer single— sorry, ladies!)

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    That’s What He Said: DM Dating // Going from DMs to Real Life with Jamal Miller Oct 07, 2020
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    Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

    It’s been 2 and a half years since I launched The Refined Collective Podcast (but don’t worry, we’re not going anywhere). We have over 100 episodes and even if you’ve been following for a while, chances are that you missed out on some. To give myself some space and rest this fall (OOF the 2020 struggle is real, y’all), I am relaunching an old series where I ask men all the questions you’re DYING to know, plus there’s a never before heard bonus episode straight from the mouth of single dude actively lookin’ for his wifey.

    First up, Jamal Miller. This guy is a mogul—for real though. He’s an entrepreneur, pastor, husband to Natasha, father of two daughters, CEO of @millermediagroup, founder of @marriedandyoung, and online campus pastor at All Nations Chicago. Yeah, he’s pretty awesome! This episode, we chat about how he’s an advocate for sliding into DMs (just wait until you hear the way he met his wife), plus he gives you the truth about why that guy is not asking you out. We all walk around with expectations, whether it’s the way we think we’ll meet our person or what qualities we think they’ll have. This episode will help you step into reality and open you up to the possibilities ahead of you.

    Expectations vs Reality

    • Is your expectation of a rom com meet-cute fairytale keeping you from trying the dating apps or sliding into DMs?
    • You’ve heard of the IG DM slide, but what about the Facebook messenger slide? Yeah, that’s where it all started for Jamal and Natasha.
    • Phone calls turned to skype dates, which then turned into meeting face to face. Losing hope for your dating life in quarantine? Fairytale endings can grow out of socially distanced beginnings.

    The Dream Guy Checklist

    • “You have to first go through the process of divorcing the person in your head.”
    • We walk around with an image in our head of the exact person we think we should be with and it’s preventing us from seeing the person we’re actually meant to be with.
    • Don’t count out a guy you’ve known forever just because they aren’t new and exciting.
    • “Your feelings don’t know your future.”
    • Are men intimidated by strong women? If he is, he’s the wrong guy. “You want a man who is inspired by you.”

    Friend Zone vs. Danger Zone

    • Men and women can be friends, but not best friends. That’s the danger zone where things can get complicated and messy.
    • There needs to be clear communication from the start so that nobody gets emotionally tied to the other person and ends up hurt.
    • “Friendship is a breeding ground for marriage.”
    • Relationships can grow out of friendships when there’s communication and respect.
    • “If you’re going to be a bad friend, you’re going to be a bad spouse.”

    Give Him a Nudge

    • You’re not comfortable pursuing? Well guess what, some guys aren’t comfortable pursuing either. Fear of rejection is REAL, you guys.
    • He might be timid. Be willing to create space to allow him to pursue.
    • He might be still learning how to lead. He’s allowed to be in progress.
    • He might be unsure of if you like him. Give him a little nudge. If he doesn’t respond, he might not be ready or interested.

    How to Be Part of the Solution

    • Pray for mentors in the lives of men to lift them up—"Those are your future husbands.”
    • Take responsibility as a woman and fight for the men in your life.
    • Instead of complaining and lamenting—pray for him.

    Resources

    • Keep up with Jamal on Instagram at @jamalmiller and his wife, Natasha, at @natashaannmiller.
    • Listen to Natasha Miller’s episode of TRC, “How to Plan for Marriage Not Just a Wedding,” here.
    • They share their love story in a YouTube video— check it out here.

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