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    The Real Estate Espresso Podcast

    Welcome to The Real Estate Espresso Podcast, your morning shot of what’s new in the world of real estate investing. Join investor, syndicator, developer, and author Victor J. Menasce as he shares his daily real estate investment outlook. Our weekday episodes deliver 5 minutes of high-energy, high-impact content to fuel your success. Plus, don’t miss our weekend editions featuring exclusive interviews with renowned guests such as Robert Kiyosaki, Robert Helms, Peter Schiff, and more.

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    AMA - Finding Deals in a Hot Market May 17, 2021
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    Mike from NJ asks:

    With the rapid increase in prices, I’m finding the environment so much more competitive and it is getting harder to find deals. Do you have any advice for someone who is looking to find deals in today’s environment?

    Mike, this is a great question.

    First of all, while the market has become more competitive, I’m finding that deals are still out there. But before we can find a deal we need to define what is a deal. It’s a little bit like asking if the image on a magazine cover is beautiful. Whether the image is beautiful is in the eye of the beholder.

    Recognizing a deal means really knowing your numbers. You need to be on top of market values in your local area. When I say market values, I’m talking about the hyper local values that apply in almost every market. It turns out that in situations of very tight supply such as we have right now, the radius you can consider is usually expanded.

    But above all, if you are looking to establish new values in an area, the key is to gain control over enough of the area that you can convince the market of the prices you are setting in the market. There has to be sufficient scale to create a meaningful and convincing data set.

    I’ll give you a simple example. Last year, I bought a property that is on the border of a fast flowing River about 30 minutes outside the city. The purchase was a bank sale, and yes we got a good deal.

    The second property was an off market deal for the property next door. The negotiations started when the neighbor died. The family clearly wanted to sell the property and the proceeds from the sale would be divided among 7 next of kin.

    At about the same time, I started a dialog with the owner of a property across the street. This house is in physical distress. The owner does not want to do any further maintenance on the property. He is in his 70’s and actually has a farm house that he wants to restore. He wants to use the proceeds from the sale to restore the farm house.

    So how does this small example help you?

    I could give you another half dozen examples that are similar. In each case there is a special story surrounding the property.

    In each case the finished product will not resemble the current property in its current condition. The vast majority of buyers in the market are still looking for properties that are move in ready. It’s a small percentage of buyers who are willing to redevelop a property.

    Let’s go back to the definition of a deal. I have a clear idea of what the finished product will be and what it would sell for in today’s market. Our team is hands on involved in quoting construction projects on a daily basis. We can back up from the final sale price to determine the residual land value that we can afford to pay and still have a project that meets our margin criteria.

    I’m describing three different properties that next to each other in the same neighborhood. If I was just doing a single property, I would be less confident in the prospect for the area. But I know that the value is often set by the neighbouring properties. By controlling the neighborhood, I’m controlling the value.

    Once you go through the effort to understand the local approval process, the incremental effort to do three is small compared with doing one.

    If you have been listening to this show for a while, you have no doubt heard me talk about the buy on the line, move the line strategy. The core of the strategy is to transform enough of the neighborhood that you raise the value not just for a single property, but for the entire area. We pioneered this strategy in Philadelphia during the depths of the Great Recession. Here too, we found many deals off-market. Some were auctions. But the process was exactly the same.


    Alicia Jarrett on Marketing May 16, 2021
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    Alicia Jarrett is a repeat guest, all the way from Melbourne Australia. On today's show we're talking about two very different approaches to marketing. You can learn more about some direct marketing strategies from Alicia at superchargedoffers.com.


    Ryan Severino - Chief Economist at JLL May 15, 2021
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    Ryan Severino heads the economics research team at commercial brokerage house JLL. Based in NYC, Ryan is tasked with providing guidance that informs the business planning for the company. Ryan publishes a weekly economics piece on LinkedIn. You can connect with Ryan through LinkedIn or through his research team at JLL.com


    AMA - Tax Adjusted Returns? May 14, 2021
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    Today is another AMA Episode (Ask Me Anything) Carlos from Los Angeles asks,

    We have a single investor who capitalizes most of our deals. He has recently been very focus on investment multiples in our investments and not as much on cash-on-cash returns, IRR, etc. He comes from the private equity world.

    We have recently tried to highlight our overall returns once you factor in the tax benefits from depreciation. Since we are all in different tax brackets, this is a little tricky to do (in my opinion). Is this something you try to quantify for your investors?

    Below is an excerpt from our investment memo highlighting the "tax-adjusted" cash yield and IRR. We worked with our CPA to quantify this.

    This is a deal that our investor is not too excited about. We are using 1031x funds and are trading for a lower-risk property.

    Carlos, this is a great question.

    As a general rule we don’t stray into the realm of offering tax advice for the simple reason that everyone’s personal tax circumstance is different. I’ll give you a simple example. Let’s imagine for a moment that an investor is using funds from their retirement account. Any income received within the retirement account would be tax sheltered. In that scenario any tax benefit that would accrue to the investor from depreciation would be zero since they’re already in a zero tax situation for that specific investment.

    On the flip side of the argument, we do point investors to educational material that may help them in the arena of making a decision on how best to structure their investment. They might decide to use cash funds instead of retirement account funds for that specific investment in order to take advantage of

    Investment multiples are a very simple way of evaluating the quality of an investment. But of course they neglect time. If a project is delayed, it has the effect of lowering the annualized rate of return.

    Of greater importance to the more sophisticated investors I speak with is the return of capital, rather than the return on investment. This involves a deeper assessment of risk.

    I have to agree with your investor that the returns being offered by the proposed project are rather thin. Thin deals by their very nature represent higher risk. It often takes only a small change in circumstances for a thin deal to go sideways. If you have two things go wrong, now you’re underwater. I like the inherent safety of high profit margin deals. High margin deals provide ample financial cushion for problems to occur.

    Risk assessment is extremely difficult to objectively quantify. After years of stable market conditions you might but a buffer for increased lumber costs. You might argue that a 20% or a 30% increase in lumber or a 3-5% increase in the overall cost of construction would be reasonable. No rational risk manager have predicted a 300% increase in the price of lumber. If your project had not pre-purchased and warehoused the materials, or if you didn’t have the financial cushion to withstand the material price increase, your project would be in trouble.

    The impact of the tax sheltering creates the illusion of a better investment that is not necessarily real. I personally would rather find another vanilla investment that offers a stronger IRR without relying on the tax structure to make it viable.

    We take the attitude that an investment should stand on its own. If the tax structure offers an even better return, then that’s icing on the cake. I find that most investors I speak with prefer to separate the tax consequence from the investment decision. Even for a single investor, their tax circumstance can change from one year to the next. What might be advantageous one year, might be of marginal value the next.

    Thank you Carlos for a great question.


    Steel Price Prediction May 13, 2021
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    On today’s show I’m going out on a limb to predict a fall in steel prices over the coming months. This will benefit the cost of many types of construction including industrial, and concrete structures such as apartment buildings and condo towers.

    While the industry insiders are not yet making this claim, I’m going to construct a thesis for this prediction and connect the dots for you. At the end of this, I believe you’re going to be convinced that my prediction has some validity.

    I can’t tell you exactly how much steel prices will fall, or even for how long. All I can tell you at this juncture is that steel prices will fall.

    The headwaters of this story start at a microchip manufacturing plant in Japan. You’re probably thinking, what does a chip manufacturing plant in Japan have to do with the price of concrete construction.

    About 6 weeks ago there was a fire at a Renesas semiconductor plant in Naka Japan, just NE of Tokyo. This 300mm facility manufactures chips largely for the automotive industry. In fact, Renesas commands about 1/3 of the share of the market for microcontroller chips used in automotive applications.

    The fire impacted about 6,500 SF of clean room, and destroyed 23 machines that are used in the manufacture of chips.

    Two weeks ago, Renesas executives announced that they had completed the cleanup and were preparing to restart partial manufacturing capacity by the end of April and hoped to restore full capacity by July.

    But even before the fire in the Renesas facility, there were signs of chip shortages in other semiconductor manufacturing facilities.

    The impact of the chip shortage on the automotive industry has been estimated at as much as $60B this year. Some auto manufacturers have issued warnings about production cuts as a result of the chip shortage. Volkswagen is estimating production cuts of 1.3M units in the first quarter of 2021, and the cuts are expected to be even wider in the second quarter. The new merger of Fiat, Chrysler and Peugeot called Stellantis is estimating an 11% drop in production. Supply of chips is not expected to stabilize until Q4. Honda and Nissan have reported significant shutdowns in their factories due to the chip shortage.

    The chip shortage means that consumption of steel from the automotive industry is also reduced by a large margin. One of the commodity metrics used to measure pricing in this sector is the Domestic Hot Rolled Coil Steel Futures price. This price is measured in USD per metric tonne. Generally speaking, the price for Steel from China is approximately 50% less expensive than the price for steel in the US of Europe. Transportation costs reduce the price gap somewhat at the point of consumption.

    While Steel prices are currently at an all-time high with a solid upward trajectory since the middle of 2020, I see the drop in demand from the auto industry creating a softening of prices in the coming months and a stabilization of prices.

    The rapid increase in the price of softwood lumber for construction has caused some builders to substitute steel for wood in some applications. That substitution has increased the demand for steel framing in applications that traditionally would not have been considered candidates for steel consumption. There are signs that lumber mill production is starting to catch up to the demand and we should see prices for lumber fall by the fourth quarter for lumber. As soon as that happens, the demand for steel framing in applications that would have used wood should evaporate. The construction industry will quickly switch back to the less expensive wood framing instead of steel as soon wood prices start to moderate.


    AMA - Is it Time For Apartments? May 12, 2021
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    Thanks for all your valuable insight into real estate investing through the Real Estate Espresso podcast. I was curious your thoughts about investing in an apartment building right now. Do you think it’s a strategic time to buy since there seems to be low demand for living in an apartment with the recent pandemic subsequently lowering an apartment building’s value therefore getting a better deal? It is so difficult finding a single-family property that you can justify buying as an investor because they are so expensive right now. Since single-family properties have a high comparative market analysis driving up value, do large multi family properties have a low income value right now? I am assuming that people will slowly begin to return to apartments and with credit being so cheap and possibly having little demand for apartments it might be a formula for a good investment. What are your thoughts? Thanks!

    Allan,

    This is a great question. I’m going to reframe the question somewhat to make a couple of distinctions. As worded, your question is a little too general. In some ways it seems like you’re asking if there are bargains to be found in the apartment market.

    Part of your question is focused on choosing between investing in apartments versus single family homes for rentals. I don’t view the tradeoff as a yield related tradeoff. They’re fundamentally different products.

    Real Estate always is hyperlocal. It is true that there is a high vacancy rate in high rise apartments in New York, San Francisco, Seattle, and Toronto.

    These situations are temporary in some cases, and point to a problem in others.

    Determining whether the investment conditions are favourable depends on three main factors.

    1. The local submarket conditions
    2. The local boots on the ground team you have performing your project management and property management
    3. The specifics of the deal.

    Your question is an over-simplification of the issues which need to be looked at in a more holistic manner.

    If you pick a market like NW Austin or Downtown Nashville which are undergoing significant growth, then one set of market dynamics are at play. Demand has exceeded supply by a wide margin and home affordability is an issue. This is creating increased demand for rental product. Eventually, supply may catch up to meet the demand, and could possibly surpass the demand. A deep analysis of the local submarkets is essential to determine the current supply / demand situation and to forecast what is possible in the 5-10 year horizon in terms of supply and demand.

    There is no question that there is a lot of institutional money chasing too few opportunities which is creating demand for well managed stabilized product. Investors in search of yield have bid up the prices for these stabilized apartment complexes. Over time, the high quality assets have been snapped up and prices have increased for lower quality assets as money went in search of yield.

    I personally would not invest in markets with shrinking population. That was true pre-pandemic and it’s still true today. If you do choose to invest in a market like, say NYC or Chicago, be aware that you’re making a bet about market trends reversing direction from the past several years. Chicago has lost population consistently over the past five years for reasons that could be considered underlying and systemic. There are issues with crime, high taxes, anemic employment growth, all of which have contributed to people leaving the city in search of greater opportunity.

    Our criteria has hardly changed at all over the past 5 years. What has changed are the underlying market conditions. Some areas have become more favourable for investment, and others have become less favourable for investment.


    AMA - Is There Lumber Price Fixing? May 11, 2021
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    Michael from Ottawa asks,

    I heard that lumber distributors are stocking pile of wood to keep prices high. Isn't that illegal? That would be artificial scarcity. Then what is the difference between artificial scarcity vs price fixing?

    Michael this is a great question.

    The notion of illegal price fixing has been uncovered in various industries from time to time. If it were happening, it would be hard to detect and would require a deep investigation of the type that probably only the FBI or the Justice department could undertake. I spoke with a number of industry insiders and I think I have figured out what is most likely happening.

    I’m hearing consistent feedback from multiple sources which leads me to believe that the major source of demand is not only for current new construction projects, but also to secure future supply.

    This is best explained by segmenting the supply chain into various elements.

    1. End buyers who buy product only on the day that they need it.
    2. End Buyers who pre-purchase materials and warehouse the materials themselves
    3. End buyers who write long term contracts to effectively pre-purchase materials and secure future supply when they need it.

    There is no question in my mind that many of the major builders are doing everything they can to secure future supply of materials.

    I’m going to quote from a letter that was published by the CEO of a Texas based Matheus Lumber to all of its customers at the end of last week.

    "As of today, mills cannot keep up with North American demand for forest products. With housing hitting 1.739 million starts in March, there is simply not enough supply to meet the demand. Additional capacity plans for the mills will probably not happen fast enough and prices will continue upward pressure. Mills are currently 45-90 days out and other items even longer. In addition, we are continuing to see 30 days or more in shipping delays for materials ordered. The mills are struggling to find transportation for the material that is already sold. Furthermore, the massive demand is causing the mills to raise prices by the day and/or hour. Prices have now exceeded anything thought possible, with no immediate relief in sight.

    The Engineered Wood Products are the scarcest among all wood products. Due to allocations by the producers, there is essentially no open market Engineered Wood Products for immediate sale. Some of the major Engineered Wood producers are now only quoting projects that ship after January of 2022.

    What the CEO of Matheus Lumber is saying echos what I’ve been hearing from other people that I’ve spoken with. I’m hearing many new construction home deliveries that are delayed by several months due to material shortages.

    If you’re a builder, material shortages impact far more than just deliveries. It means that you have employees sitting idle.

    In my view the acute shortage we are seeing is real to a degree and it has been made artificially worse by a few companies with deep pockets buying up whatever supply exists in order to secure their supply. That has left the retail market and the small players to fight over the few scraps that are left over.

    I’m also hearing noises that the US is going to reduce tariffs on Canadian lumber from the current 20% to 9% in order to reduce the cost of lumber and to stimulate more sales coming from Canada to the US. Traditionally, Canadian lumber makes up about 30% of the US supply of softwood lumber for new home construction.

    I’m personally not seeing any signs of inventory manipulation to result in price fixing. I’m seeing an industry scrambling to meet demand. I’m seeing transportation issues, and I’m seeing large inventory purchasing in order to secure supply.


    Who Wants To Work In An Office? May 10, 2021
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    As vaccination rates rise and Covid-19 cases fall in the U.S., more employers are calling workers back to the office. There’s just one problem: many don’t want to return. There are clearly other areas like Canada, Italy and France that are still firmly within the grip of the pandemic. But eventually, the same reductions in infection rates that are being seen in the UK and the US will spread to other parts of the world.

    A survey by management consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found only 37% of workers prefer a full-time return to on-site work at the office. That represents a steep drop from the pre-Covid-19 era, when 62% of workers preferred an on-site model.

    With 30% of employees surveyed saying they are likely to change jobs if required to return to the office on a permanent basis, return-to-work strategy has high stakes for businesses – particularly in the tight market for talent.

    Some employees have legal protections to refuse to return, such as medical conditions, while others just don’t want to.

    The pandemic has clearly had an impact on employees mental health. In the US, 56% of employees surveyed reported feeling at least somewhat burned out and at least 27% of employees reported a high degree of burnout.

    Burnout is especially pronounced for people feeling anxious due to a lack of organizational communication.

    For some organizations, the onsite environment is truly the best where in-person collaboration results in a more productive environment.

    During the pandemic, some organizations spent less time in meetings, and certainly less time commuting when forced to work in a virtual environment. In many cases, individual productivity went up.

    If your organization is considering a wholesale return to the office environment, you may face some unexpected challenges.

    The McKinsey survey had some fascinating insights.

    In describing the hybrid model of the future, more than half of government and corporate workers report that they would like to work from home at least three days a week once the pandemic is over. Across geographies, US employees are the most interested in having access to remote work, with nearly a third saying they would like to work remotely full time.

    With many employers seeing resistance, many are choosing a hybrid approach that can accommodate the challenges employees may have with returning, such as a lack of child care options.

    It’s also important for talent attraction and retention. Many employees will expect more flexibility moving forward, and it’s likely to be part of hiring negotiations.

    So what does all of this mean for the office market? There is no doubt that demand of office space is going to continue to fall. I’ve been in direct discussions with the owners of buildings that have seen significant drops in leased space. The number of listings for subleased space has hit an all-time high. Subleases are being offered at fire-sale prices which will ultimately put downward pressure on the leasing rates for new office space that hits the market.


    Tom Laune May 09, 2021
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    Tom Laune is a rare financial advisor. He advises people to invest in real estate, and also to use Life Insurance policies as a means of leverage for investing. To learn more, vist stressfreeplanning.com. There are a bunch of resources that explain the various strategies and there is a way to contact Tom on his website.


    Alicia Jarrett on Managing Teams May 08, 2021
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    Alicia Jarrett is based in Melbourne Australia and invests in the USA. On today's show we're talking about how to manage people at a distance. To connect with Alicia or to learn more, visit landscouts.com. She can be reached directly at alicia@landscouts.com


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