The Official SaaStr Podcast: SaaS | Founders

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SaaStr 208: SendGrid Board Member, Anne Raimondi on Why We Have To See Innovation In SaaS Pricing, Why Everyone in SaaS Orgs Has To Be Product People & Why Humans Can't Scale More Than 100% YoY & What That Means For Scaling Orgs Jan 21, 2019

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Anne Raimondi has more than 20 years experience driving growth at startups and building them into nationally recognized brands. She has served as a leader and executive for technology innovators including Zendesk, Survey Monkey, Blue Nile, and eBay. Anne is also a Lecturer in Management at Stanford Graduate School of Business, teaching two popular courses, "Startup Garage" and "POWer: Building the Entrepreneurial Mindset." She currently serves on the board of directors for SendGrid (NYSE: SEND) and MyHealthTeams. If that was not enough, Anne is also an active angel investor with an incredible portfolio including the likes of Canva, ipsy, and Minted just to name a few.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Anne made her way into the world of startups with Zendesk? How did seeing the hyperscaling of Zendesk impact Anne's operational approach and mindset?
Does Anne agree that certain individuals are destined for certain stages of company development? What are the leading indicators that one can or cannot scale? What are the inflection points in company growth where process tend to break? What can managers do to provide security in these times of change?
Why does Anne believe that everyone should be a product person in SaaS? What are the inherent benefits of this product centricity? How does the element of product centricity change when catering to 2 customers, CIO and consumer? How does Anne advise on this issue of agency?
How does Anne approach optimising internal decision-making processes? Where do many leadership teams make mistakes here? What is the right way for leadership teams to communicate their decisions to the wider team? How does Anne approach ensuring cross-functional communication at scale?
How has Anne seen her style of board membership change over the last 8 years? What has been an inflection point that has changed the way she thinks about what it takes to be a great board member? Who has been the best board member Anne has worked with? What made them so special?

Anne's 60 Second SaaStr:

What does Anne know now that she wishes she had known at the beginning?
The right way for founders to view competition?
What would Anne most like to change in the world of SaaS today?

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SaaStr 207: 13 Years To 20 People; 3 Years Later 350 People and $50m ARR, Why Thinking There Is A Price Point You Need For A Rep Is BS & Why SMB First Works And You Must Not Design For Enterprise Jan 15, 2019

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Jason VandeBoom is the Founder and CEO of ActiveCampaign, a sales and marketing automation platform that enables small businesses around the world to meaningfully connect and engage with their customers. Jason founded the company in 2003 and under Jason's leadership, ActiveCampaign has flourished from a successful but small company and then in 2013, they transition to SaaS, since they have grown to more than $50 million in ARR in less than five years, while still maintaining profitability and its culture. They have also only raised a single $20m PE round to accelerate their growth, making them a market leader in terms of funds raised/ARR generated.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Jason made his way into the world of SaaS and came to found ActiveCampaign?
Why is Jason so bullish that "SMB first, works"? What are the inherent benefits from starting at SMB? How does it affect product feedback? How does it affect how you build and scale your team? How does one start to layer in market and enterprise over time? Why does it give you additional leverage?
What does Jason think is the right way to scale your sales team> Why does one not need funding to scale sales teams? When does Jason believe is the right time to hire your first VP of Sales? What were the biggest mistakes that Jason made in the scaling of his sales team? Why should hire 3 reps to start at one time?
How does Jason view the current fundraising environment? Why does Jason believe that "no one cares if you get funding"? Why does Jason believe there is a fear around needing fast growth? Who is to blame for this? How should founders in the messy middle feel when seeing large fundraises in the media?
Why does Jason believe that all leaders need to be consuming all feedback? How does Jason consume feedback on a daily basis? What metrics and elements does he look for in this assessment? How has Jason's role changed over the 16-year CEOship? Does it get easier over time in Jason's mind? What has been the biggest challenge?

Jason's 60 Second SaaStr:

What does Jason know now that he wishes he had known at the beginning?
No man's land of SaaS pricing, exist or a myth?
Multi-year deals, all they are cracked up to be or overrated?

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SaaStr 206: 4 Core Considerations Startup Founders Must Recognise When Pricing Their Product, Why Being Good At Sales Won't Make You A Great Sales Leader and Why Boring Is Better Than Sexy When It Comes To Winning Your Market with Ryan Barretto, SVP of Gl Jan 07, 2019

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Ryan Barretto is the SVP of Global Sales at Sprout Social, a leading provider of social media engagement, advocacy and analytics solutions for business. To date they have raised over $111m in funding from the likes of NEA, Goldman Sachs and their very recently announced $40m Series D led by Future Fund. At Sprout Social Ryan oversees both the Sales and Customer Success organizations. Prior to Sprout, he was the VP of Global Sales at Pardot–a Salesforce company. At Pardot, Ryan's team tripled revenue growth in two years, making Pardot one of Salesforce's fastest growing businesses and during his 10 year tenure at Salesforce he saw the company grow from $180m to $7.5Bn.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Ryan made his way into the world of SaaS with Salesforce over 13 years ago? What were some of Ryan's biggest takeaways from seeing Salesforce scale from $180m to $7.5Bn?
Why does Ryan think that it is lazy to believe that you have to pick a market and you can't have them all? How can one approach the element of very different messaging being required for SMB vs enterprise? How can one do both? How does that change the structure of the team? How can one build a product with the simplicity of SMB and functionality of enterprise?
When it comes to winning the market, what does Ryan mean when he says, "boring is better than sexy"? What are the 4 elements all founders must consider when pricing their SaaS product? Where does Ryan see many go wrong with pricing? When serving SMB, how can one provide enterprise quality customer support? How does Ryan feel about customisation? What number justifies it?
Why does Ryan believe that being good at sales won't make you a great sales leader? What is needed to make the transition? What can sales reps do to learn and bridge that gap? What has worked for Ryan in the past? Where has Ryan seen many go wrong here? What 3 elements does Ryan look for in al additions to the team?
What is the number 1 issue that is preventing people building truly diverse teams? How can we change our job descriptions to make the more inclusive? How can we expand our candidate pool to include more diverse people than usual? What can leaders do to build environments of inclusion where people can really bring their full selves to work?

Ryan's 60 Second SaaStr:

What does Ryan know now that he wishes he had known at the beginning?
Sales rep productivity, what is good to Ryan?
What motto or quote does Ryan frequently revert back to? Why?

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SaaStr 205: The Secret To Building A Truly Successful Freemium Product | The 3 Classes of Product & How To Think About Feature Prioritisation | A Framework For Building Strong Cross-Functional Communication Across Locations with Guy Podjarny, Founder & CE Dec 17, 2018

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Guy Podjarny is the Founder & CEO @ Snyk, the developer-first solution that automates finding and fixing vulnerabilities in your dependencies. To date, Guy has raised over $32m in VC funding from Snyk from some of the great of venture including Accel, GV, our friends at Boldstart and Canaan Partners, just to name a few. As for Guy, prior to Snyk, he was the CTO of Akamai's Web Performance Business following their acquisition of his startup, Blaze.io. Before founding Blaze, Guy built Web Application Security products, including the first Web App Firewall (AppShield), Dynamic Application Security Testing tool (AppScan) and Static Application Security Testing tool (AppScan Dev Edition). Fun fact on Guy, he is the holder of 18 patents related to security and performance.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Guy made his way into the world of SaaS and came to found one of the hottest open source companies of our day in the form of Snyk?
How does Guy navigate between the difficult balance of going wide on market and shallow on product or narrow in market and deep in product? What is the decision-making process? What does Guy advise founders on feature prioritisation in the early days? Does Guy agree if you are not embarrassed by V1, you have shipped too late? How does support provide a feedback loop on what to build next?
Why does Guy believe that, "successful freemium requires giving away your secret sauce"? How can one give away enough secret sauce in freemium without giving away too much people don't buy? How does freemium fundamentally alter your relationship to revenue? Where does Guy see many going wrong when pursuing the freemium model?
How does Guy think about the problem of agency with developers using the product but having to sell to CIOs? What 2 things can be done to make this sell easier? What does Guy believe is the right framework to think about pricing through? Why is transparency in enterprise pricing not always optimal?
What does Guy believe is required to have strong and seamless communication across functions and locations? How has Guy seen this change over time and with increased locations? Where does Guy see many going wrong when trying to scale team across location?

Guy's 60 Second SaaStr:

How does Guy know when is the right time to hire your first sales person?
How did Guy learn to let go and trust his team?
What does Guy know now that he wishes he had known at the beginning?

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SaaStr 204: 2018's Most Downloaded Episode, Claire Hughes Johnson, COO @ Stripe Dec 10, 2018

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Claire Hughes Johnson, COO @ Stripe the new standard in online payments that handles billions of dollars of business every year for forward thinking businesses around the world. To date, Stripe has raised over $680m in funding from some of the very best in the business including Sequoia, Founders Fund, General Catalyst, Thrive, CapitalG, Kleiner Perkins and Tiger Global. As for Claire, prior to Stripe she spent over 10 years at Google in a range of different roles from VP of Google's self-driving car division to VP of Global Online Sales to VP of Google Offers. At Stripe, Claire has helped take Stripe global in February 2016 with the launch of Atlas, a toolkit that enables any business, anywhere in the world, to incorporate in the United States. If that was not enough, Claire is also a Board Member @ Hallmark Cards.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Claire made her way into the world of SaaS with Stripe following her leading of Google's self-driving car division?
What does Claire mean when she discusses "founding documents"? What is the right way to go about creating them? What element do they need to contain? How can one optimise internal decision-making process with these documents? What question must one always try and ask when making big decisions?
How does Claire define a truly special COO? What does that truly great look like? When is the right time for founders to hire that COO? Where do the majority of people go wrong in their assessment of when and what they need in a COO? What is the optimal relationship one can have between CEO and COO?
How does Claire think about what Stripe have done right to hire so effectively at scale? What does it take in terms of benchmarks and standards to do so? What does Claire mean when she says you have to step function up your capabilities with scale? What are the core challenges in hiring at scale?

Claire's 60 Second SaaStr:

What would Claire say are her biggest strengths and weaknesses?
What does Claire know now that she wishes she had known at the beginning?
A moment in Claire's life that has served as an inflection point and changed the way she thinks?

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Harry Stebbings

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Claire Hughes Johnson

SaaStr 203: Why Every Startup Should Bootstrap At Some Stage, Why Transparency In Pricing Is Not Always Optimal & Why We Have To Embrace That Service Is An Essential Part of SaaS Today with Krish Subramanian, Founder & CEO @ Chargebee Dec 03, 2018

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Krish Subramanian is the Founder & CEO @ Chargebee, the startup that lets you go beyond billing, payments and recurring invoices — to delivering subscription experiences that "wow". To date, Chargebee have "wowed" some of the world's leading VCs to the tune of $24m including the likes of Insight Venture Partners, Tiger Global and Accel Partners. As for Krish, under Krish's leadership the team has grown to over 200 people and over 5,000 clients making it one of the next generation in truly global SaaS businesses started in India.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Krish made his way into the world of SaaS and came to found one of India fastest growing SaaS companies in Chargebee?
Why does Krish believe that every SaaS company should bootstrap at some stage? What are the inherent benefits to these capital constraints? What are the drawbacks to not having the capital reserves? What was the inflection point for Krish in realising he wanted to go big and raise from Insight?
Why does Krish believe that it is wrong to think of the word "service" as being negative in SaaS? What are some of the foundational benefits to building out a strong services division? How does Krish think about what makes for good margins in services businesses? How can one prevent themselves from being reliant on service revenue?
Why does Krish believe that transparency is not always good when it comes to SaaS pricing? What are the cons of transparent pricing? Why does Krish believe if you are going to try freemium, it has to be from the beginning? How does Krish think about reinventing the wheel vs copying when it comes to pricing? How does Krish think about installing usage based pricing without disincentivizing usage? How can one do it?

Krish's 60 Second SaaStr:

What does Krish know now that he wishes he had known at the beginning?
What moment in Krish's life has served as an inflection point and changed the way he thinks?
What does Krish believe that most around him disbelieve?

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SaaStr 202: Intercom COO Karen Peacock on Lessons Learned Running A $2.2Bn Line of Business at Intuit, The Most Important Metric You Probably Aren't Tracking & Why, When and How To Hire Your COO Nov 26, 2018

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Karen Peacock is the COO @ Intercom, the company that provides a new and better way to acquire, engage and retain customers. To date, Intercom have raised over $240m in VC funding from some of the very best in VC including GV, Kleiner Perkins, Bessemer, ICONIQ and then individuals such as Mark Zuckerberg, John Collison, Biz Stone and Andy McLoughlin. As for Karen, prior to Intercom, she spent an incredible 17 years at Intuit leading all of Intuit's small business products and services worldwide, a $2.2B business including QuickBooks, Accounting, Payments, and Payroll. As part of that, Karen managed a team of 500 and helped build one of the world's largest SaaS businesses.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Karen made her way into the world of SaaS with Intuit and how that led to becoming COO @ Intercom today? What were Karen's biggest takeaways from her time at Intuit?
What does Karen mean when she says "watch what customers do, not what they say"? How does Karen think about the difference between being customer driven vs customer informed? Why is it important to fall in love with the problem and not the solution as an entrepreneur?
Karen has grown Intercom from 350 to 600 in 18 months, what would Karen's biggest advice and learnings be when it comes to team assembly and hiring the best? What can one do to stress test the fit of the candidate pre-hire? What does Karen always find to be the most revealing questions to ask?
When does Karen believe is the right time to hire a COO? How does one know when they have the right COO fit? What are some best practices for onboarding a new COO? What is the optimal relationship between CEO and COO?
Karen has seen incredible scaling first hand both with Intercom and Intuit, what would some of her biggest takeaways and advice be on scaling? Where does Karen see many make mistakes in the scaling phases? What does Karen mean when she speaks about "the most important metric that you probably aren't tracking?"

Karen's 60 Second SaaStr:

What does Karen know now that she wishes she had known at the beginning?
What motto or quote does Karen frequently revert back to?
What is the most challenging element in Karen's role today?

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SaaStr 201: How To Prioritise Your Sales Pipeline, Why You Should Spend Your Time on the 10% Least Likely Leads & Why The Secret To Success In Sales Is "Calls Between The Calls" with Hannah Willson, VP Sales @ Rainforest QA Nov 19, 2018

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Hannah Willson is the VP of Sales @ Rainforest QA, the on-demand QA solution that allows companies to discover problems that affect the customer experience before the code hits production. To date, Rainforest have raised over $40m in funding from some of the very best in SaaS including the legendary Byron Deeter @ Bessemer, Jason Lemkin @ SaaStr, Marc Benioff himself, Andreesen Horowitz and YC. As for Hannah, she has over 10 years of experience leading sales and customer teams at both startups and publicly traded companies including seeing the first hand hyper-growth of Zenefits in their heyday and being VP of BD, Sales and Customer Renewals for the western half of the US at HelloWallet, prior to their acquisition by Morningstar.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Hannah made her way into the world of SaaS and enterprise sales, came to join Zenefits in their heyday and how that led to her move to VP of Sales @ Rainforest?
How does Hannah think about time allocation and prioritisation of time across leads and the sales pipeline? WHat can AEs do in terms of optimising their win rate of opportunities? How important a role should discounting play in winning potential leads? Does Hannah optimise for quality or quantity of logos in the early days?
What does Hannah mean when she says the secret to success is "the calls between the calls"? How do these vary both in content and tone to traditional sales calls? Why must AEs be willing to open up and be vulnerable with leads? What can managers do to engender this? What is the optimal relationship for AEs and product team?
What does Hannah believe is the right mechanism for feedback delivery? What has worked well for her in the past? Where does Hannah see many today going wrong? What guidelines need to be put in place to ensure this candid and transparent feedback is effective?

Hannah's 60 Second SaaStr:

What does Hannah know now that she wishes she had known at the beginning?
What does Hannah believe embodies good sales rep productivity?
What is Hannah's fave SaaS reading material?

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Jason Lemkin

Harry Stebbings

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SaaStr 200: Should SaaS Startups Start At SMB and Scale To Enterprise or Vice Versa, What It Takes To Make The Transition From CTO To CEO & The Right Way To Think About SaaS Pricing Today With Brad Birnbaum, Founder & CEO @ Kustomer Nov 12, 2018

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Brad Birnbaum is the Founder & CEO @ Kustomer, the first intelligent platform for customer experience that enables you to know everything about every customer. To date Brad has raised over $38m in funding for Kustomer from some of the very best in the SaaS business including Tomasz Tunguz @ Redpoint, Ed Sim @ Boldstart, Canaan Partners, Box Group and Social Leverage just to name a few. Previously he was the Co-founder of Assistly, which was acquired by Salesforce and became Desk.com. Prior to that, he was CTO for Talisma and Co‑founder & CTO of eShare Technologies. In addition, Brad was also the CTO @ Sean parker's Airtime and VP of Engineering with Salesforce.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Brad made his way into the world of customer experience and SaaS over 20 years ago?
This is Brad's 4th time at the roadshow, what does Brad believe are the core benefits of repeat entrepreneurship? How did his prior experience change his operating mentality with Kustomer? What has he done differently this time? What worked and he has kept the same?
Brad has made the transition from CTO to CEO, how did he find this transition? What were some of the most challenging elements? What have been some of the biggest surprises? What advice would Brad have for other CTOs who have made or are thinking about making the transition?
Brad initially served SMBs with Kustomer but now primarily focuses on mid-level, what would Brad's biggest advice be when it comes to finding the right go-to-market strategy for you? How did their transition alter their approach to pricing, product, messaging and distribution? Where does Brad see many people go wrong on go-to-market?

Brad's 60 Second SaaStr:

What does Brad know now that he wishes he had known at the beginning?
When is the right time to pour fuel on the company fire?
What would Brad most like to change in the world of SaaS?

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SaaStr 199: Betterment Founder, Jon Stein on The 3 Key Roles For A SaaS CEO, How To Retain Startup Culture As You Scale Past Startup Stage & The Most Telling Questions In Candidate Interviews To Stress Test Culture-Fit Nov 05, 2018

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Jon Stein is the Founder & CEO @ Betterment, the online financial advisor built for people who refuse to settle for average investing. To date, Jon has raised $275m in VC funding with Betterment from the likes of Bessemer Ventures Partners, Menlo Ventures, Kinnevik and Francisco Partners, just to name a few. Prior to founding Betterment, Jon spent 4 years as a consultant at First Manhattan Consulting Group where he really honed his experience in working with banks and brokers including revitalizing a bank in Australia with the launch of a best-in-market auto-finance offering, resulting in 50% lift to revenue. As a result of his phenomenal success with Betterment Jon has won many awards including Fortune's 40 Under 40.

In Today's Episode We Discuss:

How Jon made his way into the world of startups and came to found democratize the world of investing with Betterment?
When does Jon believe is that critical moment when the founding team must hire their first employee? What is the right strategy to build the candidate pipe for hiring those first employees? Where does Jon see many go wrong here? What 1-2 questions does Jon always find the most enlightening to ask in the interview?
Once hired, what have been some of Jon's biggest lessons in terms of optimising the onboarding experience and the first 60 days? How has their process changed over time? How does Jon determine when a stretch candidate is a stretch too far? If so, what does Jon believe is the right way to let go of an individual?
What does Jon believe to be the 3 core roles of the CEO in any company today? From those, what has Jon found most challenging? What did he do to level up and overcome the challenges? How does Jon approach transparency with the team in delicate cases like fundraising and acquisition etc?
With the team and product in place, scale can occur, what are the 2-3 things that all companies need to focus on when product market fit has been achieved? How does Jon determine when is the right time to really put the pedal to the metal and scale?

Jon's 60 Second SaaStr: