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How The World's Largest Songwriting Camp Works May 21, 2025

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Danny Ross, a producer/songwriter, columnist at Forbes, professor at Berklee NYC, and the founder of the largest songwriting camp in the world, Anti Social Camp. Now in its 5th year, Anti Social Camp brings together over 250 songwriters, producers, and artists, including Cigarettes After Sex, Beach Bunny, Bryce Vine, Walk the Moon, Taja Kumari, Evan Giia, and Louis Cato, for 200 recording sessions across 40 studios in 5 days.

If you are a songwriter or producer who’s ever wondered what goes down at songwriting camps or how to get involved, you’re going to learn all about that and more in this episode with Danny Ross.

Get $100 your Anti Social Camp Badge by using the code: ARIANTISOCIALVIP atantisocialcamp.com

Chapters

00:00 The Importance of Reputation in the Music Industry

03:02 Understanding Songwriting Camps

05:48 The Structure and Dynamics of Songwriting Sessions

08:47 The Evolution of the Anti Social Camp

12:01 Building Community in New York's Music Scene

14:54 The Anti Social Camp Experience

17:54 Diverse Genres and Collaboration

20:54 The Future of Songwriting Camps

31:11 Creative Collaborations in Music Production

32:26 Success Stories from the Camp

33:44 Understanding Major vs. Indie vs. Self-Releasing Artists

38:33 The Financial Landscape of Music Production

44:53 Navigating Splits and Royalties in Music

47:01 The Ethics of Publishing in the Music Industry

52:39 Teaching the Next Generation of Music Creators

56:40 The Importance of Community in Music Creation

59:01 Defining Success in the New Music Business

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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How Bandcamp is Thinking About Superfans May 14, 2025

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Dan Melnick, the General Manager of Bandcamp. One of the earliest direct-to-fan platforms, Bandcamp empowers listeners to support artists they love directly. They have enabled fans to pay over 1.49 billion dollars and 193 million dollars directly to artists last year. Over 75k records get sold on this superfan platform every day and over half a million fans buy at least one thing on Bandcamp each month.

In this episode, Dan explains to Ari how and why Bandcamp is still growing after 17 years. He shares where the company’s headed, and why its download model has continued to thrive, despite the fall of downloads on platforms like iTunes. Dan also highlights how artists can use Bandcamp to bolster their release strategies, and Ari shares some of his favorite, lesser-known features of the site. Take a listen to find out how Bandcamp’s direct-to-fan platform can help you connect with fans and monetize your fan relationships.

https://bandcamp.com/

Chapters

00:00 Building a Sustainable Music Career

05:00 The Power of Bandcamp

09:59 Understanding Bandcamp's Growth

15:06 Direct-to-Fan Relationships

19:53 Innovations in Bandcamp

24:45 Community and Engagement on Bandcamp

30:03 Best Practices for Artists on Bandcamp

36:25 Merchandising Beyond Music: The Power of T-Shirts

39:28 Navigating the Streaming Landscape: Bandcamp vs. Spotify

48:25 Building a Sustainable Career: Strategies for Artists

56:11 Understanding Bandcamp's Business Model: Fair Trade Music

01:02:36 The Evolution of Curation: Bandcamp's Editorial Approach

01:05:20 The Future of Bandcamp: Building Sustainable Careers

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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Don't Cut Your Drummer Into Publishing... Apr 30, 2025

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In this solo episode of the New Music Business podcast, Ari untangles the complexities of royalties, registration, and publishing. After his social media video with the same message (“Don’t cut your drummer into publishing”) went viral for the wrong reasons, Ari wanted to come on the show and break down the nuances of this advice. Tune in to get clear on the differences between publishing royalties and master royalties, which royalties session musicians are legally due, the importance of one-stop agreements, and how to fairly (or, more so, generously) compensate your session musicians.

Read the article on Ari’s Take: https://aristake.com/publishing-royalties/

Chapters

00:00 Understanding Music Publishing and Royalties

02:55 The Role of Session Musicians in Music Creation

05:55 Differentiating Between Master Royalties and Publishing

09:09 The Importance of One-Stop Agreements

11:59 Fair Compensation for Session Musicians

15:12 Changing Industry Standards

17:46 How Publishing Royalties Work Within Bands

20:13 Why Session Musicians Are Not Considered Co-Writers

22:20 Legally Entitled Radio Royalties for Session Musicians

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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How Publishing Works and Songwriters Get Paid Apr 23, 2025

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Jacob Paul, the VP of Platform Growth & Brand Strategy at Kobalt and KOSIGN. Jacob has been one of the leaders behind Kobalt’s new admin publishing platform, KOSIGN, since its public launch in February 2025. Kobalt has been disrupting the traditional publishing model for years. Now their application-based platform, KOSIGN, is doing the same in the admin publishing space.

In this episode, Jacob explains how Kobalt and KOSIGN approach publishing differently than traditional publishers and admin publishers. Along the way, he and Ari completely break down how music publishing works. They touch on: how songwriters get paid, the difference between “artists” and “songwriters,” the difference between publishers and admin publishers, and how creators can be sure they’re not leaving any money on the table. Jacob also shares why it’s advantageous to have a publisher or an admin publisher instead of just working with a PRO or MRO. If you have questions about music publishing (and let’s be real, who doesn’t?), this episode’s got you covered.

https://www.kosignmusic.com/

Chapters

00:00 Understanding Music Publishing and Royalties

05:07 The Role of Kobalt in Music Publishing

10:10 Distinguishing Between Artists and Songwriters

14:51 The Importance of Publishing for Songwriters

19:53 Kobalt's Innovative Approach to Publishing

25:03 Exploring Traditional vs. Admin Publishing Deals

29:56 The Launch of KOSIGN and Its Impact on Indie Songwriters

35:43 The Rise of Independent Artists

40:23 Understanding Publishing and Royalties

45:35 Navigating the Complexities of Publishing Administration

51:10 The Role of KOSIGN in Empowering Songwriters

56:25 The Future of Music Publishing and Artist Ownership

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This Superfan Platform Gets Artists Paid 10x+ What They Make From Streaming Apr 16, 2025

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Mag Rodriguez, the founder and CEO of the direct-to-fan platform EVEN. Throughout his career, Mag has helped artists generate over 1 billion streams—but now, he’s focused on building a parallel music economy where artists sell directly to fans before streaming. “Superfan” platforms like EVEN are redefining how artists monetize their work.

Through EVEN, Mag has partnered with J. Cole, 6LACK, LaRussell, Lauren Jauregui, Fariana, Smino, Ryan Leslie, and thousands of other artists of all levels, empowering them to take ownership of their fan relationships and unlock new revenue streams. They’re essentially putting control and earnings back into the hands of artists.

In this episode, Mag tells Ari about artists who don’t have many followers or monthly listeners, but are making significant revenue from their fans on EVEN. They discuss the previous eras of direct-to-fan platforms (like Bandcamp, Patreon, Kickstarter) and how EVEN’s music-centric model differs from these prior iterations. Superfan platforms are truly taking the industry by storm—Mag tells Ari that EVEN, alone, onboards about 8,000 artists each day. If you’re interested in exploring superfan platforms, this episode is a great place to start.

Check out EVEN at: get.even.biz

Chapters

00:00 The Challenge of Monetizing Music for Emerging Artists

02:57 The Rise of Direct-to-Fan Platforms

05:58 Understanding Even: A Direct-to-Fan Platform

08:55 Windowing and the Shift in Music Distribution

11:54 The Economics of Music Sales vs. Streaming

15:12 Selling Access: The Community Aspect of Even

18:00 Building Community: The Even Triangle

21:04 Real Success Stories: Emerging Artists on Even

24:00 Emotional Commerce: Connecting with Fans

26:57 The Future of Music Monetization

35:10 The $1,000 Album Phenomenon

38:36 Sustainable Revenue Models for Artists

40:16 Data-Driven Insights for Artists

44:27 The Journey to Building Even

51:12 Navigating Major Labels and Independent Artists

54:23 Operational Framework for Artists and Labels

01:00:07 Community Engagement and Fan Interaction

01:04:24 Defining Success in the New Music Business

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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Lyor Cohen on YouTube Music's Future and the Music Industry's Past Apr 09, 2025

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This week, Ari is joined by Lyor Cohen, the Global Head of Music at YouTube. Earlier in his career, Lyor led Def Jam Recordings, where he worked with artists such as Jay-Z, Ja Rule, and Ludacris. He eventually sold Def Jam to Universal and helped create the Island Def Jam Music Group. After Def Jam, Lyor became Chairman and CEO of Recorded Music at Warner Music Group. He went on to co-found 300 Entertainment (repping artists like Fetty Wap and Young Thug) before landing at YouTube in 2016.

In this episode, Lyor and Ari discuss artist development, the state of the industry, and music’s digital revolution. Lyor shares what it was like to lead Warner Music at a time when both Spotify and YouTube launched. If you’re curious about the trajectory of tech in music, how generative AI can bring artists and fans together, or how you can use YouTube to build momentum in your career, this episode is for you.

Chapters

00:00 The Pursuit of Artist Success

05:23 Navigating the Music Industry Landscape

12:11 User-Centric Approach in Music

20:34 Building Artist Communities

27:14 The Evolution of Music Consumption

33:30 Embracing Generative AI in Music

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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Victoria Canal Attracts Her Fans for The Right Reasons Apr 03, 2025

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This week Ari sits down with Victoria Canal, the rising singer-songwriter known for her deeply moving and introspective music. Victoria has performed on Jimmy Kimmel Live!, Later… with Jools Holland, and onstage with Coldplay at Glastonbury. She has won two Ivor Novello awards (including the Rising Star award) and recently released a new album, Slowly, It Dawns.

After ten hard-won years as a DIY artist, Victoria’s now signed with a major label, Parlophone Records (under Warner Music Group). In this episode, Victoria opens up about her journey as an artist and the varying pressures faced by both indie and label-repped musicians. Tune in to learn more about headlining the Troubadour, life as a touring artist, managing the pressures of social media, and how to attract the right kinds of fans.

https://www.victoriacanal.com/

Chapters

00:00 From Glastonbury to Stardom

03:11 The Journey of Victoria’s Career

05:49 Creating Intimate Connections Through Music

08:50 The Reality of Touring Economics

11:56 Balancing Artistry and Business

14:58 The Emotional Journey of Songwriting

18:07 Evolving Through Performance

20:55 The Impact of Social Media on Artists

24:09 Navigating Vulnerability in Performance

27:14 The New Album: Slowly, It Dawns

30:05 Reflections on Growth and Authenticity

36:23 The Inner Journey of Self-Acceptance

39:50 Meeting Idols: Reality vs. Expectation

40:45 A Dream Come True: Performing with Coldplay

45:04 The Importance of Energy in Performance

46:06 Navigating the Artist Lifestyle and People Management

49:03 The Weight of Fan Interactions

54:06 Social Media Pressures and Authenticity

01:01:19 Taking a Stand: Performing at the Kennedy Center

01:05:39 Defining Success in the Music Industry

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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Transviolet on Surprise China Fame, Softcore Millennial Cringe and Touring in an RV Mar 26, 2025

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Sarah McTaggart from the hit alt-pop band Transviolet. Transviolet exploded onto the scene in 2015 with their breakout single “Girls Your Age” with Epic Records. The band moved between a couple labels throughout their career, but they’re now independent. Transviolet has played Late Shows with Colbert and James Corden; they’ve had notable syncs including the Pretty Little Liars theme song; they’ve played huge festivals like SXSW, Governor’s Ball and Firefly; and they recently released their fourth studio album, Softcore.

Sarah tells Ari about Transviolet’s experiences working with a major label and how things have changed since going independent. They talk about the ins-and-outs of touring (including Transviolet’s upcoming US tour), how the band got started, and a brilliant guerrilla marketing technique they used to promote one of their early releases. Transviolet also had the surprising experience of finding out they were big in China (hot tip: you might be too). Tune in to find out how they discovered they were big over there and how you can check for yourself, too.

https://transviolet.com/

Chapters

00:00 The Evolution of the Music Business

02:53 Transviolet's Journey to Independence

06:02 The Creative Process Behind 'Softcore'

08:54 Exploring Vulnerability in Music

12:12 The Duality of Persona

15:09 Navigating Relationships and Personal Growth

17:50 Marketing Innovations in the Music Industry

21:11 The Impact of Major Labels vs. Independence

36:13 Redefining the Artist's Team

39:34 The Evolution of Digital Marketing in Music

44:14 Navigating Social Media's Impact on Music

51:07 Exploring International Touring Experiences

57:21 The Dynamics of Touring and Band Changes

01:08:28 Creating Art: The Journey of Songwriting and Production

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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Euphoria Music Supervisor Gives a Sh*t Mar 19, 2025

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This month, for Women's History Month, we are replaying some of our favorite New Music Business episodes featuring incredible women of the industry. This episode highlights star music supervisor Jen Malone. She has placed music and worked on Euphoria, Atlanta, Creed 2, The Resident, Boomerang, Baskets, Shelter, Lady Dynamite, Step Up, and more. Jen has over a decade of highly esteemed experience in the industry.

In this episode, Jen goes into depth about what music supervisors do and the business of sync licensing. She gives great advice on how independent artists can get their music synced and things to look out for in contracts and fee negotiations. If you want to know how to pitch your music to supervisors with the best chance of striking a deal, this is the episode for you.

Chapters

00:00 The Journey to Music Supervision

02:55 Navigating the Music Supervision Landscape

05:59 The Role of a Music Supervisor

08:55 The Evolution of Music Syncing

12:00 Tools of the Trade

14:59 Finding and Pitching Music

18:00 Understanding Music Ownership

21:08 The Process of Music Supervision in TV and Film

24:05 Collaboration with Composers

27:09 The Differences Between Film and TV Music Supervision

33:40 Managing Multiple Projects

35:21 The Role of Personal Taste in Music Supervision

37:22 Juxtaposition in Music Placement

42:26 Impact of Music Placements on Independent Artists

46:04 The Evolution of Sync Licensing

50:19 Workflow and Project Management in Music Supervision

51:59 Differences in Working with Streaming Platforms vs. Traditional Networks

54:30 The Importance of Fair Compensation for Artists

58:03 Protecting Artist Rights in Sync Licensing

01:03:42 Advice for Independent Artists in Sync Licensing

Edited and mixed by Ari Davids

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

Order the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com

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Imogen Heap is Building a More Equitable Future for Musicians Mar 12, 2025

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This month, for Women's History Month, we are replaying some of our favorite New Music Business episodes featuring incredible women of the industry. This episode highlights award-winning artist, songwriter, and producer, Imogen Heap. Imogen Heap has released five solo albums, an album as one half of Frou Frou, and has collaborated with countless other stars including Taylor Swift, Nitin Sawhney, Deadmau5, Eric Whitacre, Jeff Beck and Jon Hopkins. Heap, recognized as an artist’s artist, has won two Grammys and an Ivor Novello award. She holds three honorary doctorates for her work on ‘MI.MU gloves’ and ’The Creative Passport’—two prominent music tech companies that work to empower creatives.

In this episode, Ari and Imogen discuss NFTs, metadata and payment transparency and how to properly credit (and pay) creators using the blockchain. Overall, how to make the future of music more equitable for musicians.

Chapters

00:00 The Fragmented Music Industry

02:52 Imogen Heap: A Pioneer in Music and Technology

05:55 The Creative Passport: Empowering Artists

09:11 Data Transparency and Royalty Distribution

12:04 The Role of DSPs and Data Integrity

14:52 The Future of Music Royalties

17:55 Building a Better Music Ecosystem

21:02 Blockchain and the Future of Music

23:46 Interoperability and Charitable Contributions

29:06 Navigating NFTs and Environmental Concerns

34:23 The Future of NFTs in Art