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298. TNE RESPONDS: Project 2025 Exposed Aug 21, 2024

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Project 2025 is a conservative plan to reshape the federal government under the next presidential administration. It was created by the conservative think tank, The Heritage Foundation, and has deep connections to the Trump administration. The playbook is 900 pages long and covers a wide range of topics, including abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, gender equality, and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives. The plan aims to dismantle the administrative state, ban abortion nationwide, restrict access to birth control, promote heterosexual marriage, and erase LGBTQ+ people from public life. The creators of Project 2025 are Kevin Roberts, the president of The Heritage Foundation, and Russ Vaught, the former head of the Office of Management and Budget in the Trump White House.

Takeaways

Project 2025 is a comprehensive conservative plan to reshape the federal government under the next presidential administration.
The plan covers a wide range of topics, including abortion, LGBTQ+ rights, gender equality, and DEI initiatives.
Project 2025 aims to dismantle the administrative state, ban abortion nationwide, restrict access to birth control, promote heterosexual marriage, and erase LGBTQ+ people from public life.
It seeks to eliminate protections for career government employees and roll back regulations in areas such as education, the environment, and immigration.
Project 2025 also aims to ban pornography and restrict the rights of LGBTQ+ individuals.

Chapters

03:38 The Insanity of Project 2025

09:19 The Battle Over Reproductive Rights

14:27 Restricting Access to Birth Control

23:50 Erasing LGBTQ+ People

31:02 The Role of The Heritage Foundation and Trumpism

34:19 Centralizing Power in the Office of the President

37:43 Neglecting the Poor and Marginalized

41:54 Environmental Rollbacks

51:48 Immigration Enforcement

59:44 The Moral Crusade Against Pornography

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297. TNE TALKS: “Nice Churchy Patriarchy” Aug 19, 2024

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Summary

Tim and Liz Cooledge Jenkins discuss her book, Nice Churchy Patriarchy: Reclaiming Women's Humanity from Evangelicalism, and her journey unpacking the toxic aspects of conservative evangelicalism. She explores the concept of patriarchy and how it manifests in imbalanced power dynamics and restricts women's agency.

Takeaways

Patriarchy is any structure or system that involves imbalanced power between genders, particularly men and women.
Patriarchy restricts women's agency and discourages them from embracing their full humanity.
The concept of patriarchy is often disguised as complementarianism in conservative evangelical contexts.
The biblical mandates used to justify patriarchal norms are often based on American cultural norms rather than biblical principles.
Mainline churches, despite their traditional appearance, often have more progressive and inclusive theology compared to white evangelical churches.
Patriarchy is deeply ingrained in both the church and broader society, but it is not impossible to dismantle.
Valuing characteristics traditionally associated with femininity, such as empathy and collaboration, is essential for building more inclusive and equitable spaces.
Honest conversations, diverse perspectives, and a reevaluation of traditional interpretations of scripture are necessary for challenging and changing patriarchal systems.
The intersection of patriarchy and the church requires a critical examination of leadership structures and a commitment to empowering women and other marginalized groups.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:01 Unpacking the Toxicity of Conservative Evangelicalism

10:02 Challenging Patriarchy and Reclaiming Women's Humanity

14:35 Examining Biblical Interpretations and Cultural Norms

24:21 Merging Contemporary Vibes with Deep Theology

26:26 Effective Ways to Fight the Patriarchy

28:12 Initiating Conversations with Women in the Congregation

29:33 The Need for Women in Leadership

31:11 Reflecting the Diversity of the Body of Christ

33:27 Challenging Traditional Leadership Models

39:19 Perceptions of Church Diversity

41:21 Sharing Power and Embracing Feminine Characteristics

46:45 The Sin of Empathy

48:19 Conclusion

Liz's Website | lizcooledgejenkins.com

Liz on Instagram | @lizcoolj

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296. TNE RECAPS: Why Christians Are FLOCKING to Vote for Harris-Walz Aug 16, 2024

Show notes

In this episode of the New Evangelicals Podcast, Tim and April discuss various topics including Donald Trump's conversation with Elon Musk, the leaked Project 2025 training videos, and the conservative Christian view on climate change. They also touch on the anti-science sentiment within conservative Christianity and the impact it has on shaping policies and beliefs. The hosts provide commentary and humor throughout the episode. In this part of the conversation, Tim and April discuss the weirdness and oddity of certain aspects of right-wing politics, particularly within the evangelical community. They highlight the contradiction between the claim of being pro-family and pro-American while engaging in bizarre and extreme behavior. They mention the Christians for Harris and Evangelicals for Harris groups as examples of this mobilization. They emphasize the importance of thinking about political engagement in a wise and Jesus-centered way, rather than blindly aligning with a particular party. In this final part of the conversation, Tim and April discuss the intolerance and narrow-mindedness often found within evangelical circles.

Takeaways

Donald Trump's conversation with Elon Musk highlights the disconnect between the billionaire class and the average person, despite attempts to portray themselves as 'men of the people'.
The leaked Project 2025 training videos reveal the anti-science and conspiracy-driven mindset within conservative circles, particularly regarding climate change and population control.
The anti-intellectualism and dogmatic beliefs within conservative Christianity contribute to the rejection of scientific evidence and hinder progress in addressing climate change.
It is important to differentiate between conservative evangelical Christians who hold a literal interpretation of the Bible and those who accept scientific evidence and advocate for responsible environmental stewardship.
There is a growing mobilization of Christians who are rejecting the Trump-MAGA movement and advocating for a different approach to political discourse.
It is important to think about political engagement in a wise and Jesus-centered way, rather than blindly aligning with a particular party.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Recap

05:59 Tim's Excitement and Preparations for an Event

09:24 Discussion on Donald Trump's Conversation with Elon Musk

16:16 Exploring the Anti-Science Mindset of Project 2025

20:06 The Impact of Anti-Intellectualism in Conservative Christianity

26:38 Differentiating Between Literalist and Progressive Evangelical Christians

32:30 The Weirdness and Oddity of Right-Wing Politics

49:28 Hope for a Different Vision in Politics

01:11:06 The Misconception of Legislation and Religious Freedom

01:19:33 The Inclusion of Breakdancing in the Olympics

01:35:13 Using Billy Graham's Image in a Political Ad: Misleading or Disrespectful?

Sharon Mchamon's article on Project 2025

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295. TNE RESPONDS: Where Does Our Allegiance Lie? Aug 14, 2024

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In this episode, Tim discusses updates on The New Evangelicals (TNE) and shares his thoughts on how Christians should approach the Harris-Waltz candidacy. He talks about Project Amplify, a TNE initiative to counter right-wing media narratives, and the growth of the organization. Tim explores the concept of Christian nationalism and emphasizes the importance of advocating for the common good. He encourages Christians to think critically about their political engagement and to prioritize the teachings of Jesus. Tim concludes by expressing hope for Christians to embrace a more inclusive and nuanced approach to politics.

Takeaways

The New Evangelicals (TNE) is growing and working on initiatives like Project Amplify to counter right-wing media narratives and amplify diverse Christian voices.
Christian nationalism seeks to privilege conservative Christian beliefs and control narratives, while advocating for the common good is not inherently Christian nationalist.
Christians should prioritize the teachings of Jesus and advocate for policies that promote the common good and the flourishing of all people.
Political engagement should involve holding politicians accountable and working towards a more equitable society, while recognizing the limitations of politicians and the need for ongoing work.
Christians should approach politics with a posture of invitation, inviting others to think critically and embrace a more inclusive and nuanced approach to political engagement.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Updates on TNE

14:33 Understanding Christian Nationalism and the Common Good

15:57 Prioritizing the Teachings of Jesus in Political Engagement

19:43 Holding Politicians Accountable and Working for Equity

26:49 Inviting Others to Embrace a Nuanced Approach to Politics

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294. TNE TALKS: Introducing the Ministers of Propaganda Aug 12, 2024

Show notes

In this episode, Tim sits down with Scott M. Coley, author of the book, Ministers of Propaganda,and they discuss the concept of legitimizing narratives that are used to justify social arrangements that benefit white evangelicals.

Takeaways

Legitimizing narratives are stories that justify social arrangements and hierarchies.
White evangelicals have used the Bible as a source of legitimizing narratives to justify social arrangements that benefit them.
The curse of Ham is an example of a legitimizing narrative used to justify race-based chattel slavery and racial segregation.
The hermeneutics of legitimization is an approach to biblical interpretation that consistently produces readings of the text that justify the reader's preferred social arrangements.
Understanding and challenging these narratives is important for promoting justice and equality. Legitimizing narratives are used to justify and perpetuate harmful ideologies.
The defense of slavery and gender hierarchy are examples of self-defeating narratives that appropriate the very ideals they undermine.
There is a tension between conservative ideals of family values and fiscal policies.
Propaganda plays a significant role in shaping public opinion and can be used to manipulate and control narratives.
It is important to critically examine the narratives we encounter and strive for a more just and inclusive approach to interpreting scripture and engaging in politics.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Announcement

04:07 Introduction to Scott M. Coley and His Book 'Ministers of Propaganda'

10:21 How White Evangelicals Justify Social Arrangements

26:43 The Curse of Ham: A Historical Example of a Legitimizing Narrative

29:38 The Hermeneutics of Legitimization

31:05 Challenging Legitimizing Narratives

31:35 Unpacking Legitimizing Narratives and Harmful Ideologies

39:35 The Tension Between Conservative Family Values and Fiscal Policies

55:22 The Role of Propaganda in Shaping Public Opinion

01:00:43 The Need for Critical Examination of Narratives

01:02:11 Striving for a Just and Inclusive Approach to Scripture and Politics

Scott's Book | Ministers of Propaganda: Truth, Power, and the Ideology of the Religious Right

Scott's Instagram | @scott_m_coley

Scott's X | @scott_m_coley

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293. TNE RECAPS: Why Tim Walz Speech Was SO NEEDED Aug 09, 2024

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Summary

In this episode, Tim and April discuss the new ad-free option for the podcast on Apple Podcasts. They also talk about their plans to improve the show's intro and recap their recent experiences, including Tim's road trip and April's illness. They then dive into the main topic of the episode, which is the popularity of Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota. They discuss his policies, his likability, and his ability to connect with people. They also touch on the weirdness of the Trump era and the importance of calling out falsehoods and strange behavior. Tim discusses the importance of systemic change and the role of government in providing services to those in need. He then analyzes Tim Walz's acceptance speech for the vice president slot on the Harris ticket, highlighting the contrast between the Harris-Walz ticket and the Trump administration. Tim also addresses the hypocrisy of the pro-life movement and criticizes JD Vance's association with Project 2025. He concludes by emphasizing the need to hold the Trump administration accountable for their connections to Project 2025. In this final part of the conversation, Tim and April discuss various humorous moments and share their thoughts on the current political landscape.

Takeaways

The podcast is now available ad-free on Apple Podcasts for a monthly or yearly subscription fee.
Tim and April plan to improve the show's intro to make it more professional and consistent.
Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, is gaining popularity due to his likability and progressive policies.
A healthy government plays a crucial role in providing services to those who fall through the cracks.
Tim Walz's acceptance speech highlights the contrast between the Harris-Walz ticket and the Trump administration.
The pro-life movement often fails to support legislation that actually benefits children and families.
JD Vance's association with Project 2025 raises concerns about the Trump administration's agenda. Humor can be a powerful tool in resisting oppressive systems and finding joy amidst chaos.

Chapters

00:00 New Ad-Free Option on Apple Podcasts

13:54 The Popularity of Tim Walz

19:15 The Weirdness of the Trump Era

28:52 Calling Out Falsehoods and Strange Behavior

38:07 Analyzing Tim Walz's Acceptance Speech

44:36 The Hypocrisy of the Pro-Life Movement

01:13:46 The Power of Humor and Joy

01:19:41 Celebrating Positive Moments from the Olympics

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292. TNE RESPONDS: Greg Laurie is WRONG About the Olympics Aug 07, 2024

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In this episode, Tim responds to a video of Greg Laurie discussing the controversy surrounding the opening ceremony of the Olympics and the boxer Aman Khalif. Tim critiques Laurie's lack of fact-checking and the hypocrisy within evangelical circles. He addresses the misconceptions about the opening ceremony, the false claims about Aman Khalif, and the narrative of persecution and religious privilege perpetuated by Laurie. Tim highlights the need for critical thinking and accurate information in discussions about faith and culture.

Takeaways

Lack of fact-checking and misinformation is prevalent in evangelical circles, as demonstrated by Greg Laurie's video.
The controversy surrounding the opening ceremony of the Olympics and Aman Khalif is based on misconceptions and false claims.
The narrative of persecution and religious privilege perpetuated by Laurie and other evangelicals is hypocritical and lacks critical thinking.
It is important to critically evaluate information and seek accurate facts when discussing faith and culture.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Overview

02:00 The Lack of Fact-Checking in Evangelical Circles

06:45 Debunking Misconceptions about the Olympics and Aman Khalif

09:38 The Hypocrisy of Persecution and Religious Privilege

20:43 The Importance of Critical Thinking in Faith and Culture

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291. TNE TALKS: "I Lived Through Project 2025" with Tia Levings Aug 05, 2024

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Summary

Tia Levins shares her experience growing up in Christian patriarchy and her journey to escape it. She discusses the influence of the quiver full movement and the pressure to have as many children as possible. Tia explains how she was mentored by women in the church who promoted quiver full ideals and the complementarian lifestyle. She also highlights the lack of counter information and the normalization of abuse within this culture. Tia's story serves as a warning about the dangers of extreme patriarchy and the need to resist it. Tia shares her experience of being in a high-control, patriarchal Christian environment and her journey to escape it. She discusses the challenges of living with a husband who had erratic behavior and the pressure to keep her newborn quiet. Tia explains how she internalized the violence and believed it was her fault. She also talks about the influence of the family-integrated church movement and the shift towards grooming young sons to become future leaders. Tia reveals the extreme practices she endured, including wife discipline, and the process of deconstruction and healing she went through after escaping. She emphasizes the importance of naming experiences and staying curious in spirituality.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

13:28 Transition to Extreme Patriarchy

23:49 Lack of Counter Information and Normalization of Abuse

27:15 The Influence of the Family-Integrated Church Movement

33:09 Extreme Practices: Wife Discipline

41:23 Escaping and the Process of Deconstruction

44:21 Reclaiming Spirituality on One's Own Terms

Tia's Book | A Well-Trained Wife: My Escape from Christian Patriarchy

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290. TNE RECAPS: Kamala Harris is Black, Olympics 2024, & Project 2025 Explained Aug 02, 2024

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In this episode of the New Evangelicals Podcast, Tim and April discuss various topics, including the controversy surrounding the Olympic opening ceremony, Trump's remarks at the Believers Summit, and their experience visiting the Ark Encounter. They express frustration with the outrage over trivial matters and the lack of attention given to more important issues. They also highlight the need for Christians to represent Jesus well and focus on issues that truly matter. In this conversation, Tim and April discuss various topics, including the controversy surrounding the Believer's Summit, the problematic views of Doug Wilson, Trump's appearance at the National Association of Black Journalists convention, and the implications of Project 2025. They also touch on the absurd interpretations of the Olympic opening ceremony and announce their attendance at Theology Beer Camp.

Takeaways

The outrage over trivial matters distracts from more important issues that require attention.
The focus on cultural controversies often stems from a weak and narcissistic form of evangelicalism.
Jesus does not need defending; he needs people to represent him well.
The interpretation of Trump's remarks at the Believers Summit can vary, but it is concerning to hear him suggest that Christians won't have to vote again.
The outrage over the Olympic opening ceremony reflects a fear and discomfort with people living as their authentic selves.
There is a need to prioritize issues such as genocide, poverty, hate, and greed over trivial controversies. The Believer's Summit sparked controversy due to the presence of controversial figures like Doug Wilson, whose views on sex and slavery are highly problematic.
Trump's appearance at the National Association of Black Journalists convention was met with criticism, as he evaded direct questions and made insensitive remarks.
Project 2025, a conservative playbook, continues to be a cause for concern, despite the director stepping down amid backlash from Trump.
Tim and April will be attending Theology Beer Camp, an event that brings together theologians, podcasters, and individuals seeking a better way forward in their faith.

Chapters

03:06 Traveling and the Ark Encounter

09:07 The Olympic Controversy

14:21 The Weakness of Evangelicalism

17:39 Interpreting Trump's Remarks

24:17 The Power of Words and Prioritizing Issues

40:02 Controversy Surrounding the Believer's Summit

41:25 Problematic Views of Doug Wilson

48:38 Trump's Appearance at the National Association of Black Journalists Convention

52:53 Implications of Project 2025

01:14:25 Absurd Interpretations of the Olympic Opening Ceremony

01:18:13 Announcement: Attendance at Theology Beer Camp

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289. TNE RESPONDS: Exposing the Racism of Christian Nationalism Jul 31, 2024

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Summary

In this episode, Tim and Dr. Kevin Carnahan respond to the ideas presented by Stephen Wolf, who advocates for Christian nationalism and promotes white supremacy. They discuss the dangerous ideologies and myths perpetuated by Wolf and his supporters, highlighting the need for critical thinking and awareness of the underlying agendas. The conversation covers topics such as the concept of a new Christendom, the myth of an immigrant nation, the oppression of white people, and the implications of affirmative action. Tim and Dr. Carnahan dismantle these ideas and emphasize the importance of understanding history and working towards a more inclusive and just society. In this part of the conversation, the principal themes revolve around critical race theory, multiculturalism, corruption, and immigration. The speakers discuss how critical race theory helps explain the persistence of systemic racism and the covert ways in which supremacist systems are maintained. They also address the misconception that policies benefiting non-whites are inherently bad for whites, highlighting the importance of understanding historical context. The conversation delves into the impact of multiculturalism on social trust and the common good, with differing perspectives on its effects. The speakers also touch on corruption, nepotism, and the role of immigration in shaping societal institutions. In this part of the conversation, Tim and Kevin discuss the arguments made by Stephen Wolfe in his speech.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Overview

13:10 Stephen Wolf and New Christendom Press

33:00 White People as Their Own In-Group's Out-Group

41:20 Effects of Historical Injustices and Affirmative Action

56:36 Challenging Misconceptions about Policies Benefiting Non-Whites

01:09:49 Examining Corruption and Nepotism

01:16:53 The Impact of Immigration on Societal Institutions

01:30:36 The Contradictions in Wolfe's Use of Bible Verses

02:07:11 The Incoherence of Stephen Wolfe's Arguments

02:35:44 Resisting and Offering a Better Alternative

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Kevin's Website

Kevin's Amazon Author Page

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