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    The Moving On Method® Podcast

    Navigating divorce as a parent can be tough. Navigating co-parenting as a divorced parent can be tougher. Welcome to the Moving On Method® podcast, a place where the realities of divorce and single parenting meet educated and informed insight, hosted by me, Michelle Dempsey-Multack, educator, co-parenting and divorce specialist, bestselling author, the founder of the Moving On Method®; a method of helping parents give their children a co-parented experience they won’t need to recover from.
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    Why 'Staying For The Kids' Might Be Doing More Harm Than Good, With Guest Kristy Dyer Jun 09, 2025
    Show notes

    What happens when parents sacrifice happiness for the illusion of stability?


    Kristy Dyer joins Michelle to reflect on her experience growing up in a high-conflict household, and how that shaped her decision to leave a marriage that mirrored those same emotional patterns.


    Together, they explore how generational healing begins with honest parenting, and why children need emotionally safe environments more than they need traditional structures.


    What You’ll Learn
    • The unintended harm of “staying for the kids” • How emotional labor and perfectionism show up in parenting • Why transparency and repair matter more than perfection • Tools for raising emotionally safe children after separation • The importance of healing generational trauma through co-parenting


    Episode Highlights
    03:02 – Kristy’s childhood: blended family, absent father 07:40 – The burden of perfectionism and emotional labor 12:15 – Repeating childhood patterns in adult relationships 15:50 – Reframing “starter marriages” and shame 22:12 – Building trust through repair after separation


    Meet Kristy Dyer
    Kristy is a co-parenting mom of three raising her children with honesty, healing, and courage. Her journey of breaking generational cycles offers insight for parents navigating divorce and reparenting themselves in the process.


    Final Thought
    “Your kids don’t need you to stay. They need you to heal.”


    Get Michelle's courses on navigating divorce and co-parenting: ⁠https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore

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    Letting Go of What No Longer Serves You; with guest Rachel Kass of Worthy May 26, 2025
    Show notes

    In this empowering episode of The Moving On Method®, Michelle sits down with Rachel Kass from Worthy to discuss a topic many navigating divorce face: what to do with their jewelry.

    Far more than just a transaction, this conversation delves into how selling your jewelry post-divorce can be a powerful step towards financial empowerment and finding the positives amidst change.


    Rachel sheds light on how Worthy provides a secure and transparent way to sell pre-owned luxury items, offering a tangible opportunity to reclaim your financial independence. She explains the seamless process Worthy offers, from initial consultation to receiving an offer for your pieces, demystifying what can feel like an overwhelming task.

    How selling your post-divorce jewelry can be a positive step towards healing and financial freedom.

    • Understanding how Worthy helps individuals turn unused assets into cash, with a focus on trust and transparency.
    • How taking control of your assets can contribute to your overall sense of empowerment during and after divorce.
    • AND MORE


    Worthy: Learn more about selling your jewelry and other luxury items at, www.worthy.com

    Connect with Worthy: @wearesoworthy

    Worthy is dedicated to providing sellers and buyers with that ultimate win-win. Everyday we bring together buyers and sellers with our luxury auction marketplace. Worthy is led by the very best in the luxury goods market and we work together to bring you the fairest market value for your valuable items while providing stellar service.


    Rachel has been working with Worthy for 6 plus years now. She is an expert in her field of diamonds and precious gems. The aspect of her job she loves the most is being able to help her clients and getting to know them and their stories. She a friend to animals and understands how important family is.

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: ⁠⁠http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a⁠⁠

    Get Michelle's courses on navigating divorce and co-parenting: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore⁠⁠


    Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichelleDempsey⁠⁠

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    You Are Not Your Trauma: Learning How to Have Healthy Relationships After Trauma; with Dr. Cassandra Bowles May 19, 2025
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    This week on The Moving On Method®, Michelle Dempsey-Multack and Dr. Cassie Bowles delve into the complexities of detachment, particularly in the context of trauma and mental health. They explore how detachment can serve as a coping mechanism, its spectrum from mild to severe, and its implications on relationships and emotional well-being.


    Their conversation emphasizes the importance of awareness, compassionate curiosity, and the journey towards healing and reconnection with oneself. They also touch on the challenges of navigating relationships post-trauma and the significance of seeking help when needed. Together they will cover:

    • How detachment is a coping mechanism against overwhelming emotions
    • Self-Awareness is the first step towards change and healing
    • There is a spectrum of trauma levels
    • AND MORE


    Dr. Cassie Bowles graduated with honors from the University of California, Berkeley, earning a Bachelor’s Degree in American Studies. Following a few years working in health care consulting and the non-profit world, she returned to graduate school in 2014 to complete a Doctorate of Psychology at the California School of Professional Psychology.


    Dr. Cassie has trained in academic medical centers, schools, and private practice settings, working with a wide range of clinical presentations from depression and anxiety to complex medical diagnoses. She completed training in psychodiagnostic testing and assessment in the Infant and Preschool Clinic at UCLA’s Semel Institute of Neuroscience and Human Behavior, working with families of young children to address developmental and behavioral concerns. As an intern at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, she received training in neuropsychological assessment and cognitive behavioral therapy at the Children’s Orthopaedic Center.

    While at CHLA, she worked primarily with adolescents diagnosed with post-concussive syndrome and other neurological disorders such as epilepsy. Finding herself drawn to depth work and interested in deepening her clinical skills as a therapist, she completed an internship and post-graduate fellowship in psychodynamic psychotherapy at the Wright Institute Los Angeles, working with adults on an ongoing basis.


    While she considers herself a generalist in clinical practice, she takes special interest in working with parents, survivors of sexual and gender-based trauma, and phase-of-life/personal identity issues.

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: ⁠http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a⁠

    Get Michelle's courses on navigating divorce and co-parenting: ⁠https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore⁠


    Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichelleDempsey⁠

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    Feminine VS. Masculine Energy: Making the Shift for Healthier Relationships; with guest Dr. Zoe Shaw May 12, 2025
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    In this conversation, Dr. Zoe Shaw and Michelle Dempsey-Multack explore the complexities of shame, codependency, and the dynamics of feminine and masculine energy in relationships. They discuss the impact of trauma on personal growth and relationships, the importance of vulnerability, and the need for emotional safety.


    Dr. Zoe shares her insights on how high-achieving women often struggle with their feminine energy and the societal pressures that contribute to this. The discussion also touches on the changing landscape of marriage and divorce, and Dr. Zoe's personal journey through her own divorce, emphasizing the importance of self-care and emotional health. Dr. Zoe specializes in helping women with complex shame and codependency. This was a great conversation on the complexities of how the feminine vs masculine energy shows up in modern relationships. Some other key takeaways from this conversation include:

    • Complex shame can stem from early trauma and societal marginalization.
    • Healing from shame requires vulnerability and empathy.
    • High-achieving women often mask their femininity to succeed.
    • Self-sabotage is common among those with complex shame.
    • Healthy relationships require both partners to be intentional.
    • Feminine energy is powerful and nurturing, not weak.
    • Men need to feel needed to operate in their masculine energy.
    • Self-care is essential for teaching future generations.
    • Divorce can be a catalyst for personal growth and change.

    Dr. Zoe Shaw is a licensed psychotherapist with a doctorate in Clinical Psychology. For over 20 years she has worked to help women overcome Complex Shame™ and co-dependency in order to experience the healthy love you deserve.

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: ⁠⁠http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a⁠⁠

    Get Michelle's courses on navigating divorce and co-parenting: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore⁠⁠


    Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichelleDempsey⁠⁠

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    Facebook - ⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/michelle645⁠⁠

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    There Are Other Ways to Waste A Life: The Emotional Journey of Leaving a Marriage; with guest Scarlett Longstreet May 08, 2025
    Show notes

    In this conversation, Michelle Dempsey-Multack is joined by popular internet personality, Scarlett Longstreet. Together, they discuss the complexities of divorce, co-parenting, and the emotional journey of self-discovery that often accompanies the end of a marriage.


    They explore the societal stigma surrounding divorce, the importance of personal growth, and the challenges of integrating new partners into family life. The discussion emphasizes the need for empathy, understanding, and patience as individuals navigate their new realities post-divorce, while also prioritizing the well-being of their children.

    Key Takeaways:

    • Divorce is often a long and painful process of self-discovery.
    • Women often feel the need to hide their divorce-related content due to societal stigma.
    • Leaving a marriage is rarely a flippant decision; it often involves years of contemplation.
    • The emotional weight of divorce can be heavy, especially when children are involved.
    • It's important to recognize that a loveless marriage can be just as damaging as an abusive one.
    • Co-parenting requires alignment on core values, not just day-to-day decisions.
    • The loss of control after divorce can be one of the hardest aspects to navigate.
    • Healthy relationships post-divorce require personal growth and self-awareness.
    • Integrating new partners into family life should be done with care and patience.
    • It's essential to prioritize children's well-being over adult emotions during and after divorce.

    Learn from Michelle how to navigate divorce & co-parenting: https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a

    Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichelleDempsey

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    Does This Count As Abuse? Understanding When it's Time to Leave an Unhealthy Marriage: with Author & Podcast Host Kate Anthony May 05, 2025
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    Have you been in a relationship and wondered, "is this abuse?" This week, Michelle Dempsey-Multack welcomes back podcast host & author Kate Anthony to discuss what abuse looks like and when it is time to leave an unhealthy marriage.


    Kate opens up to Michelle about her "frog in boiling water" analogy and how you can leave a relationship before staying for too long. In this informational episode, Michelle and Kate will cover:

    • How to break the cycle and leave an unhealthy marriage
    • Understanding that having empathy does not make you responsible for someone's feelings
    • Giving yourself compassion
    • It is not your responsibility to heal your partner's trauma
    • AND SO MUCH MORE


    Kate Anthony is the author of The D Word: Making the Ultimate Decision About Your Marriage, host of the critically acclaimed and New York Times recommended podcast The Divorce Survival Guide Podcast and the creator of the groundbreaking online coaching program, Should I Stay or Should I Go? which helps women make the most difficult decision of their lives using coaching tools, relationship education, geeky neuroscience, community support, and deep self-work.


    Kate empowers women to find their strength, passion, and confidence even in the most disempowering of circumstances and helps them move forward with concrete plans set on a solid foundation, putting their children at the center (not in the middle) of all their decisions.


    Kate is trained in various coaching modalities with two of the top coach training organizations in the world. Additionally, Kate is certified as a Domestic Violence Victim’s Advocate by the state of California, as a Co-Parenting Specialist by the Mosten Guthrie Academy, and as a High Conflict Divorce Coach by Tina Swithin’s High Conflict Divorce Coaching Certification Program.


    In addition to her online programs, Kate works privately with clients all over the world.


    Kate lives in Los Angeles with her teenage son, whom she lovingly co-parents with her ex-husband.



    Learn from Michelle how to navigate divorce & co-parenting: https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a

    Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichelleDempsey

    Website - https://michelledempsey.com/

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    Which Parenting Style is Best for Your Kids After Divorce? with guest Paddy Ney Apr 28, 2025
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    Parenting styles often vary from person to person, but what happens when you are trying to decide which co-parenting style is best while also learning how to co-parent? This week, Michelle Dempsey-Multack sits down with Patrick Ney to discuss how to know what parenting style is right for you.


    They discuss the complexities of parenting, particularly in co-parenting situations. They also put an emphasis on the importance of empathy, understanding different perspectives, and maintaining boundaries while fostering trust and quality time with children. The conversation highlights the challenges parents face in balancing discipline and support, and the long-term lessons that can be imparted through thoughtful parenting.


    In this episode, you will also learn:

    - How fear can hinder effective parenting and co-parenting.

    - How balancing boundaries and flexibility is essential in parenting.

    - How quality time with children strengthens relationships and trust.

    - How parenting is a continuous learning process, even for experienced parents. AND MORE!


    Paddy Ney is a bestselling author, TEDx speaker, and journalist who is also the founder of ⁠All About Parenting⁠, a global organization spanning 30+ countries. He’s led hundreds of workshops on parenting psychology, impacting over 100,000 students worldwide. His book, When At the Zoo Watch the Humans, became a #1 Amazon Bestseller, and his YouTube channel, Amazing Polish History, has racked up over 10 million views.

    Learn from Michelle how to navigate divorce & co-parenting: https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a

    Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichelleDempsey

    Website - https://michelledempsey.com/

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    You Don't Attract, You Accept: How to Attract a High-Value Partner After Divorce; with guest Evan Marc Katz Apr 24, 2025
    Show notes

    This week on The Moving On Method®, Evan Marc Katz, a pioneering relationship coach, joins Michelle Dempsey-Multack and shares his journey from a failed screenwriter to becoming a leading expert in dating and relationships.


    He discusses the complexities of love, the importance of self-awareness, and the distinction between chemistry and compatibility.. In this conversation, Evan Marc Katz and Michelle discuss the complexities of modern dating, particularly for women who are navigating the dating scene after divorce.


    Together they cover:

    • Dating in your 40s
    • Being the CEO of your own love life
    • Finding confidence in intimacy after divorce
    • AND MORE


    Evan Marc Katz became the world’s first dating coach in 2003, specializing in helping smart, successful women create lasting love. He is the author of four books, his Love U Podcast has over 3 million downloads and he has been featured in hundreds of media outlets, including Today, the New York Times, and the Wall St. Journal.


    Over two decades, Evan has watched the rise of dating apps and texting, seen thousands of influencers offering advice, and realized something powerful: busy women don’t need more information; they need more love. More attention. More confidence. More support. If you’re exhausted by taking care of your man, your kids, your clients, and your parents, Evan Marc Katz shows you how to choose a partner who takes care of YOU.


    Now happily married for 16 years, Evan believes you can find love, no matter where you live, how old you are, or how challenging your previous relationships - and he has the results to prove it. Over 13,000 women have graduated from Love U, Evan’s coaching program and community for women. By providing hands-on support, structure and accountability, Evan teaches women to become the CEO of their love lives and attract high-value, commitment-oriented partners.

    Learn from Michelle how to navigate divorce & co-parenting: https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a

    Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichelleDempsey

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    What Men are Thinking and Why They Do What They Do in Divorce and Co-Parenting; with guest Rob Roseman of WTF Divorce Apr 14, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode of The Moving On Method®, Michelle Dempsey-Multack and Rob Roseman delve into the complexities of divorce and co-parenting, exploring the emotional dynamics, the role of ego, and the differing perspectives of men and women during and after the divorce process.


    They discuss the challenges of transitioning into new relationships, the misconceptions surrounding these transitions, and the core fears and triggers that men face post-divorce. They discuss the challenges of perception in parenting, the importance of shared moments, and the impact of personal growth on relationships.


    Together they will also cover:

    • The importance of flexibility in co-parenting
    • How personal growth can improve your co-parenting relationship
    • Communication is key in co-parenting
    • AND MORE


    Rob is a divorced dad to 3 kids, former Las Vegas poker pro, and founder of WTF Divorce -- a brand with 167,000 on Instagram that makes divorce a lil easier... and a lot funnier.

    Learn from Michelle how to navigate divorce & co-parenting: https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a

    Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichelleDempsey

    Website - https://michelledempsey.com/

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    Motherhood; It's Only Hard if You're Doing it Right! with guest, Erin Morrison MA, EDM, CPCC Apr 07, 2025
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    This week on The Moving On Method® Michelle Dempsey-Multack is joined by Erin Morrison to discuss the complexities of conscious parenting, emphasizing the importance of self-trust, emotional awareness, and the need to prioritize the child's best interests.


    They explore the overwhelming noise of parenting advice and the journey towards self-compassion, sharing personal stories that highlight the challenges and growth experienced in the parenting journey. They discuss their personal journeys, the lessons learned from their children's experiences, and the significance of creating a supportive environment. Erin also introduces her new book, 'Three Minutes for Mom,' which offers practical advice for mothers seeking empowerment and connection in their parenting journey.


    Together, they will also cover:

    • Resiliency in children
    • Finding empowerment in parenting
    • How small shifts in mindset can lead to big changes
    • AND MORE


    Erin Morrison, MA, EDM, CCPC, The Conscious Mom is a Certified Conscious Parenting Coach. She holds two masters degrees in Psychological Counseling from Columbia University and trained under renowned psychologist Dr. Shefali Tsabary to expand her skill set and deliver a non-judgmental, therapeutic perspective to her practice.


    Check out Erin's new book: "Three Minutes for Mom"

    Learn from Michelle how to navigate divorce & co-parenting: https://bit.ly/MDMPodStore

    Get one-on-one coaching from Michelle: http://stan.store/themichelledempsey/p/book-a-11-zoom-with-me-wt46q75a

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