Stay ConnectedA podcast series examining how AI is reshaping our world. Hosted by Nicholas Thompson, each episode features a conversation with a leading thinker who offers a fresh perspective on the far-reaching ethical, economic, and social implications of this technology.
This podcast is from The Atlantic’s CEO and is produced independently of The Atlantic’s editorial staff. Some episodes have a supporting sponsor. Those episodes are clearly labeled and the sponsor is named.
Where does AI go next? And what happens to us? Join The Atlantic’s CEO Nicholas Thompson as he speaks with leaders, developers, philosophers, and more about AI’s impacts, present and future. New episodes every Wednesday, starting April 22.
Produced in collaboration with PwC.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
In this episode, The Atlantic’s CEO Nicholas Thompson speaks with serial entrepreneur and Idealab founder Bill Gross about his latest venture, ProRata, a bold attempt to create a fair exchange of value between AI companies and the creators whose work helped train their models. From inventing search advertising to tackling one of AI’s most urgent ethical challenges, Gross explains how innovation and fair market dynamics can align—and how humans are still underestimating the transformative power of AI.
(00:00) Introduction
(06:32) How Bill invented paid search in the 1990s
(13:29) NYT v. OpenAI as the “lightning strike moment” that inspired ProRata
(16:16) Solving the “impossible problem” of AI attribution
(21:36) ProRata’s plan for revenue sharing between creators and AI companies
(24:13) How YouTube shows revenue sharing could make AI companies even stronger
(28:20) When there will be a one-person company with a billion-dollar valuation
(29:23) AI could be net positive for the climate in as little as five years
(33:01) The most interesting way Bill has used AI recently
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
What happens when AI learns faster than its makers can control? In this episode, Nicholas talks with Navrina Singh, founder and CEO of Credo AI, about how regulation could actually accelerate innovation of more responsible, transparent AI. Together, they dig into how governance can help the U.S. compete with China, prevent bias, and keep trust and transparency at the center of the AI revolution.
(00:00) Introduction
(04:09) What we learned from Microsoft’s Tay disaster
(06:58) Why Navrina started Credo AI
(11:12) Managing risk across the AI supply chain
(12:43) Preventing bias in customer support chatbots
(17:54) Is AI making the world less equal?
(19:40) Ethics vs. speed in the AI race with China
(21:40) How governance leads to better, faster products
(28:04) Why there’s no perfect AI regulation right now
(31:14) Preparing for a world where AI governs itself
(34:15) The most interesting way Navrina has used AI
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The space race has gone private, and in this new world, efficiency is key. United Launch Alliance CEO Tory Bruno explains how a legacy rocket maker remade itself to compete in an industry full of startups. From load analysis and low-earth-orbit satellite monitoring to rockets with autonomous flight systems, Bruno unpacks what happens when machine learning meets computational fluid dynamics in our atmosphere. Plus, why AI might be critical to landing a man on Mars—and getting them home alive.
(00:00) Introduction
(01:38) From backyard rockets to Boeing and Lockheed (Tory Bruno)
(03:58) Transforming ULA for a new space race
(06:09) The physics of launch: energy, precision, and peril
(08:41) Reprogramming flight paths with AI
(10:55) The coming age of autonomous and reusable rockets
(16:27) When we'll really send humans to Mars—and bring them back
(19:36) How AI could help us find, and talk to, alien life
(29:20) AI in the space economy (Joe Schurman)
(34:16) The $2 trillion future of space
(37:51) The most interesting way Joe has used AI
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
How do you digitize the physical world? In this episode, Nick talks with University of Glasgow chemistry professor Lee Cronin, founder of Chemify—a company that is using AI to turn molecules to code s—about his quest to create a programming language for chemistry, what it means to “print” molecules, and how his team is able to discover new drugs and materials through their “chemputer.” He also discusses how the work is offering new insights into the origins of life on Earth and how to identify it on other planets.
(00:00) Introduction
(01:45) From setting fires to studying life
(05:00) Creating a programming language for chemistry
(09:20) Designing and “printing” new molecules
(10:45) How hype has distorted AI’s promise
(14:17) From sand to cells: the origin of life
(16:01) Assembly theory and the bridge from nonlife to life
(19:15) What it would take for AI to come alive
(23:48) The most interesting way Lee has used AI
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
What does it take to succeed in the disruptive world of AI? In this episode, Atlantic CEO Nicholas Thompson sits down with Matt Wood, PwC’s Global and U.S. Commercial Technology and Innovation Officer, to trace his path from medical school and protein folding research to Amazon Web Services and now PwC. They discuss the transformative power of AI; why, when disruptive forces emerge, companies may be better off doubling down on their core identity rather than reinventing themselves; and how the organizations of the future may be reshaped by autonomous agents working alongside humans.
(00:00) Introduction
(02:16) Matt's path from medicine to machine learning
(05:47) The Human Genome Project and the data explosion
(09:28) The AI inflection point
(11:41) Why AI’s biggest impact will be organizational, not technical
(13:30) How companies navigate disruption without losing identity
(19:18) The coming flattening of organizations
(22:02) Managing teams of humans and agents
(25:41) The most interesting way Matt has used AI
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Can AI unlock your full potential as an athlete? In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Will Ahmed, founder and CEO of Whoop, about how wearable technology and AI are transforming health, performance, and longevity. From monitoring sleep and recovery to analyzing biomarkers and offering personal health insights, Ahmed shares how Whoop is pushing the boundaries of what’s possible in healthcare in the age of AI.
(00:00) Introduction
(02:09) What WHOOP measures and how it works
(09:20) What new metrics could reveal about the mind and body
(15:25) How AI advances are changing WHOOP
(18:16) Balancing personalization with privacy
(24:00) Measuring health span and longevity
(24:37) When performance and health diverge
(27:31) The future of preventative, AI-driven health
(30:39) The most interesting way Will has used AI
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
In this episode, Atlantic CEO Nicholas Thompson speaks with Ohad Elhelo, co-founder and CEO of AUI, about neuro-symbolic systems. Apollo-1, AUI's neuro-symbolic foundational model, promises both the fluency of generative models and the reliability of symbolic reasoning, an AI method that uses symbols and explicit rules to represent knowledge and perform logical inference. Could this hybrid architecture finally unlock task-oriented AI at scale?
(00:00) Introduction
(02:57) A rift in the AI community
(04:59) Why neuro-symbolic AI could succeed where chatbots have failed
(12:04) How AUI built its model
(19:11) How to solve the hallucination problem
(25:46) Business use cases for neuro-symbolic AI
(30:48) What happens once Apollo One launches
(35:03) The most interesting way Ohad has used AI
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
A podcast series examining how AI is reshaping our world. Each episode features a conversation with a leading thinker who offers a fresh perspective on the far-reaching ethical, economic, and social implications of this technology.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
What happens if we get AI right? In this episode, Nicholas speaks with Wired co-founder Kevin Kelly about AI’s potential to positively impact the future of humanity.
Featured Guest: Kevin Kelly, co-founder of Wired
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Our TOPPODCAST Picks 
