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Money, Friendships, and Quality of Life: Spending on “High ROI” Activities & Experiences Jan 04, 2023

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This episode was inspired by a conversation I had with two other financial talking heads about how backwards it is to strip your life of all joy in the pursuit of saving every penny: “I’m not sure what they’re optimizing their lives for,” one said, “But it obviously isn’t ‘happiness.’”
Friends, I plunked down in the chair after that and wrote for three hours straight (then decided I hated the first draft and basically rewrote the entire thing)—and the result was this episode.
Take a trip with me to the fictional town of Ramseyville (I’m the HOA president, in this analogy) and let’s explore the ways in which the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Learn more about our sponsor, TaxAct: https://www.taxact.com/moneywithkatie.
Transcripts can be found at podcast.moneywithkatie.com.
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Mentioned in the Episode
15 Things Poor People Do That The Rich Don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllZrOoxpzc
Why I Don't Eat Out At Restaurants, Even As A Millionaire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWYG_ECNyYk
How Your Daily Coffee Habit Is Costing You $1 Million: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pW7bFcVN4
Jack Raines on The Money Value of Time: https://www.youngmoney.co/p/money-value-time
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The Best Mic Drops of 2022: 5 Financial Truths for 2023 Dec 28, 2022

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When we were plotting our content for the last week of the year, our executive producer Henah had the brilliant idea of revisiting some of our most powerful mic drop moments from our 52 (!) episodes of The Money with Katie Show this year. We identified 5 of the best truths to carry forward into the new year.
And since our entire team produced the original episodes, we figured it’d be fun to include everyone’s perspectives on these favorite clips. Whether you’ve diligently downloaded every episode or just started listening last week, this roundup is sure to get your mind right headed into 2023.
Thanks to Henah, Christie, Sebastian, and Kate for joining me for this episode.
Learn more about our sponsor, Vin Social: http://vinsocialvip.com/.
Transcripts can be found at podcast.moneywithkatie.com.
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Mentioned in the Episode
The Stock Market Now & in 2023 with Liz Young: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/whats-coming-in-2023-the-federal-reserve-bond-markets-and-investing-in-volatility/
The Most Dangerous Misconceptions About the 4% Safe Withdrawal Rate: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/the-most-dangerous-misconceptions-about-the-4-safe-withdrawal-rate/
Rent vs. Buy in 2022: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/the-rent-vs-buy-decision-in-2022s-interest-rate-environment-and-lofty-market/
NYT Is it Better to Rent or Buy: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calculator.html?mtrref=www.google.com&assetType=PAYWALL&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&gwh=18CCF12ECC1502F6CDD50CDCD55B6B3B&gwt=regi&assetType=REGIWALL
Millennials and the American Dream Part 1: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/part-1-money-millennials-and-the-american-fever-dream/
Millennials and the American Dream Part 2: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/pt-2-millennials-money-the-bizarre-american-fever-dream-the-role-of-personal-finance-education-our-collective-expectation-hangover/
The Paradox of Riches: https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/the-paradox-of-riches-being-poor-is-expensive
Financial Fear: Good or Bad: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/how-your-money-anxiety-might-actually-help-build-wealth/
Don't Quit Your Day Job with Cinneah El-Amin: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/40000-to-200000-in-5-years-dont-quit-your-day-job-with-cinneah-el-amin/
Building a Six-Figure Side Hustle: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/building-a-six-figure-side-hustle-monetizing-content-budgeting-with-variable-income/
To Prenup or Not to Prenup with Kim Davis: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/to-prenup-or-not-to-prenup-with-the-fiscal-feminist-kim-davis/
Are Rich People Better Than You with Nick Hanauer: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/to-prenup-or-not-to-prenup-with-the-fiscal-feminist-kim-davis/
Bootstrapping #Fail: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/bootstrapping-fail-why-the-american-solution-to-systemic-problems-keeps-falling-short/
Confessions of a Reformed Materialist: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/confessional-materialism-worthiness-and-financial-discipline/
How to Become a Millionaire in 10 Years or Less: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/how-to-become-a-millionaire-in-10-years-or-under-oh-and-market-timing/
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How to Become a Millionaire in 10 Years: High Cost-of-Living Edition Dec 21, 2022

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How much money do you have to earn in a HCOL area to become a millionaire in 10 years or fewer?
A few months ago, we released an episode about how much someone would need to earn (and spend) to go from $0 to a seven-figure net worth in a decade, and a few of our listeners from NYC and the Bay Area said, “Good try, but can you triple the spending and redo this?”
I’m nothing if not accommodating, and the question brought up a whole new topic for me: Is living in high cost-of-living areas worth it? Moreover, how much do you really need to earn in, say, Manhattan to avoid slowing your financial progress? If you don’t earn that much, how far “behind” are you likely to be? We’re diving in.
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Transcripts can be found at https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/.
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Mentioned in the Episode
How to Become a Millionaire in 10 Years or Under: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-with-katie-show/id1589146097?i=1000581637513
Cost of Living Calculator: https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator
Investopedia's 10 Most Expensive Cities in the US: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/080916/top-10-most-expensive-cities-us.asp
2022 Cost of Living in New York City: https://www.bankrate.com/real-estate/cost-of-living/nyc/
Median Sales Price of Houses Sold in US: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS
New York State Income Tax Rates: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/new-york-state-tax#:~:text=New%20York%20City%20and%20Yonkers,%2C%203.819%25%20and%203.876%25.
Federal Income Tax Calculator: https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes#o4yUBvQUcN
What Is the True Cost of Living in New York City: https://smartasset.com/mortgage/what-is-the-cost-of-living-in-new-york-city
No, The Rich Are Not All Moving to the City Now: https://grist.org/cities/no-the-rich-are-not-all-moving-to-the-city-now/
Are Houses More Expensive Today, or Way Bigger: https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/are-houses-more-expensive-or-bigger
2023 Wealth Planner: https://moneywithkatie.com/new-2023-wealth-planner
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Your First 90 Days in a New Role: Setting Yourself Up for Success Dec 14, 2022

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I’ve onboarded to four different companies in the last five years (long story), and there’s one common throughline that knits together the experiences: The first month of HR paperwork and getting the lay of the land is stressful as hell.
In this week’s episode, we’re diving into the major pieces to get right (setting up employer-sponsored retirement account contributions, the “use it or lose it” benefits at your old job, and other consequential-but-tedious administrative stuff). My guest, career coach Eliana Goldstein, is joining me to discuss how to absolutely crush the first 90 days of your new job—everything from internal networking to key conversations to fast-tracking promotions.
Learn more about our sponsor, Vin Social: http://vinsocialvip.com/.
Transcripts can be found at https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/.
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Mentioned in the Episode
How to Find a Well-Paying Career You Love: Interview with Millennial Success Coach Eliana Goldstein: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-with-katie-show/id1589146097?i=1000543587593
SmartAsset Federal Income Tax Calculator: https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes
How to Start Investing Successfully with Just Two Funds: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-with-katie-show/id1589146097?i=1000562135184
How I’m Budgeting for Healthcare in the United States in the Least Frustrating Way: https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/how-im-budgeting-for-healthcare-in-the-united-states-in-the-least-frustrating-way
Eliana Goldstein’s Career Upgrade Course (discount code is MWK100 for $100 off for listeners!): https://www.elianagoldsteincoaching.com/course
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Self-Care Culture is Making Us Broke, with Chelsea Fagan Dec 07, 2022

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It was only a matter of time before The Money with Katie Show tackled the Goopification of wellness (even “wellness” seems like a term that’s been co-opted in the last decade). In the US, this industry is worth $212 billion—and growing 11% annually. People be spendin’ some money.
What if commercialized self-care is really just a millennial pink Band-aid for the problems endemic to our hyperspeed lives? Are we trapped in a cycle of deadlines and bath bombs and existential dread? (Just me?)
This week’s episode explores the commodified self-care industrial complex and how it’s awfully reminiscent of other industries marketed specifically toward women, but with the purported benefit of being ~good for you~.
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Transcripts can be found at https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/.
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Mentioned in the Episode
High-maintenance spending habits: https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/high-maintenance-is-expensive-how-i-went-from-a-320mo-girly-budget-to-a-negligible-one
That Girl: Wellness Shouldn't Be Work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVlxNGPvDo
Wellness industry analysis: https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo/ecommerce/beauty-health-personal-household-care/personal-care/worldwide
Aisha Harris's A History of Self-Care: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2017/04/the_history_of_self_care.html
Global Wellness Economy: https://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4108643.html
Millennials and the American Dream: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-with-katie-show/id1589146097?i=1000578662240
What is the American Dream Now?: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-with-katie-show/id1589146097?i=1000579420509
Bootstrapping #Fail: Why the American "Solution" to Systemic Problems Keeps Falling Short: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-with-katie-show/id1589146097?i=1000582372410
Statistic on adult anxiety disorders in the US: https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Mental-Health-Conditions/Anxiety-Disorders
Chelsea Fagan's 7 Common Self-Care Tips That Actually Make You More Stressed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfkM6pM6HvI
U.S. News & World Report survey on financial anxiety in Americans: https://money.usnews.com/credit-cards/articles/two-thirds-of-americans-experiencing-financial-anxiety#:~:text=Survey%3A%20More%20Than%2067%25%20Are,Anxiety%20%7C%20Credit%20Cards%20%7C%20U.S.%20News
Research on poverty & the developing brain: https://dana.org/article/poverty-and-the-developing-brain/#:~:text=Children%20growing%20up%20in%20poverty,adaptive%20behavior%20patterns%2C%20and%20learning.
Financial Independence Tracker: https://moneywithkatie.com/new-2023-wealth-planner
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How To Prioritize Where You’re Investing (And Why!) Nov 30, 2022

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Finally defeated your high-interest debt and got your cash flow under control? This week’s episode is for you, baby!
If the 401(k) vs. IRA vs. HSA vs. everything else conundrum has you frozen with indecision, look no further than this week’s podcast episode for a framework that’ll help clarify these types of decisions so you can move forward with confidence in the new year.
Even if you feel like you’ve got a relatively good grip on your investment strategy, this refresher may help you consider things in a new (and more lucrative!) way.
Learn more about our sponsor, Vin Social: http://vinsocialvip.com/.
Transcripts can be found at https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/.
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Mentioned in the Episode
The Traditional 401(k) vs. Roth 401(k) Debate: https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/the-final-traditional-vs-roth-debate-traditional-wins
Roth IRA Conversion Ladder Discussed in Episode 36: https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/deep-dive-set-yourself-up-to-pay-no-penalties-or-taxes-in-early-retirement/
The Math Behind Early Retirement: https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement/
Research on the Human Psychology Behind Loss Aversion: https://www.verywellmind.com/negative-bias-4589618
2021-2022 Roth IRA Contribution Limits: https://www.schwab.com/ira/roth-ira/contribution-limits#:~:text=If%20you%20file%20taxes%20as,214%2C000%20for%20the%20tax%20year
Demographic Survey on HSAs: https://www.benefitspro.com/2021/08/20/hsas-in-the-usa-5-states-where-theyre-used-the-most-5-the-least/?slreturn=20221029084558#:~:text=As%20of%20December%2031%2C%202020,the%20end%20of%20the%20year.
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My Income Journey: From <$20,000 to Nearly $400,000 in 5 Years Nov 23, 2022

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I have been—by all accounts—incredibly fortunate in my career thus far, but there are a few distinct takeaways I notice when I reflect on the last five years.
Since I went to a public state university and studied communications (not exactly a field with investment banking-level compensation), I figured I’d be a median earner forever.
Discovering the art of the side hustle (and freelancing, contract work, and online businesses) sent me down a meandering path of trial and error that I’m recounting on the show today.
When I started working, I earned $12/hour, which transitioned later to a full-time salary of $52,000. By 2021, as a 26-year-old with no advanced degree, my total cobbled-together income encroached on $400,000.
Looking back on it, I realize: The rules are fake. You don’t need to study finance or medicine at Harvard to make good money (though to be fair, I’m sure those things make it a lot easier). Regardless, it’s my hope that something in this episode will spark something useful for you.
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Transcripts can be found at https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/.
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Mentioned in the Episode
Money with Katie's 2023 Wealth Planner: https://moneywithkatie.com/new-2023-wealth-planner
Study on students who graduate from college without any debt: https://www.aplu.org/our-work/5-archived-projects/college-costs-tuition-and-financial-aid/publicuvalues/publicuvalues-resources/student-debt-by-the-numbers.pdf
Building a Six-Figure Side Hustle episode: https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/building-a-six-figure-side-hustle-monetizing-content-budgeting-with-variable-income/
The Role of Luck in Financial Outcomes: https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/how-a-traffic-stop-changed-my-life-luck-randomness
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Are Rich People Better Than You? Why Everything We Think We Know About Good Economics Might Be Backward, With Nick Hanauer Nov 16, 2022

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It turns out Americans have been asking the wrong question: It's not, “What’s the difference between the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots,’” but rather…“How did those in the 0.1% end up having it all?”
To paraphrase my guest, entrepreneur and venture capitalist Nick Hanauer (https://nickhanauer.com/), “How do [rich people like me] manage to grab an ever-increasing piece of the pie? Is it because rich people are smarter than we were 30 years ago? Is it that we’re working harder than we once did? Are we taller? Better-looking? Sadly, no. It all comes down to one thing: economics.”
My thesis? Capitalism is the economic system that creates wealth, and good economic policy is what ensures that all that wealth doesn’t accrue to a very small group of people.
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Transcripts can be found at https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/.
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Mentioned in the Episode
Nick Hanaeur's TED Talk "The Dirty Secret of Capitalism": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3KE_H27bs
Jacob Hacker & Paul Pierson's The Winner-Take-All Economy: How Washington Made the Rich Richer and Turned Its Back on the Middle Class: https://politicalscience.yale.edu/publications/winner-take-all-politics-how-washington-made-rich-richer-and-turned-its-back-middle
Jared Bernstein & Karen Kornbluh's paper “Running Faster to Stay in Place: The Growth of Family Work Hours and Incomes": https://www.upi.com/Business_News/2004/07/20/Workers-put-in-more-hours-just-to-keep-up/79691090369058/
Reaganomics, FDR, & deregulation: https://origins.osu.edu/history-news/time-end-deregulation?language_content_entity=en
"Reaganomics Killed America's Middle Class" from Salon: https://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/reaganomics_killed_americas_middle_class_partner/
Marginal tax rates in 2022: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/federal-income-tax-brackets
CEO pay 300x the average worker: https://aflcio.org/paywatch
Reagan quotes via the Reagan Foundation: https://www.reaganfoundation.org/ronald-reagan/reagan-quotes-speeches
"The Myth of the Welfare Queen" from The New Republic: https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen
The Commodity Futures Modernization Act & the 2008 financial crisis: https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/facpub/723/
The 2000-2001 California electricity crisis: https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/content/pubs/report/R_103CWR.pdf
"Voodoo economics": https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/voodooeconomics.asp
US GDP & tax revenue in the 1980s: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDP
Wealth inequality & GDP growth from OECD: https://www.oecd.org/newsroom/inequality-hurts-economic-growth.htm
Federal debt under Reagan: https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0
Revolve's Gestalt University: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/resolves-gestalt-university/id1463123745?i=1000510150469
RAND Corporation on wealth transfers: https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-1.html
"The Prosperity Gospel, Explained" from Vox: https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/1/15951874/prosperity-gospel-explained-why-joel-osteen-believes-prayer-can-make-you-rich-trump
"Amazon Denies Workers Pee in Bottles. Here Are the Pee Bottles" from Vice: https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7amyn/amazon-denies-workers-pee-in-bottles-here-are-the-pee-bottles
Nick Hanauer in The New Republic, "Biden's Plan to Tax Rich People Like Me is the Best Way to Grow the Economy": https://newrepublic.com/article/163852/tax-rich-people-grow-economy
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Expensive Open Enrollment Mistakes to Avoid: Making the Best of a Bad System Nov 09, 2022

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HMO or PPO? Go for the high-deductible health plan, or accept the higher premiums? Opt for the copay or coinsurance model? Can you trust the little brochures that subtly guide you to a “lower-cost” option, or are those marketing materials? How does healthcare use big data to offload more of your medical costs onto you?
It’s fascinating that personal finance content doesn’t focus more on navigating the US healthcare marketplace—after all, just one mistake that leaves you underinsured can wipe out months (if not years) of accumulated savings from buying store-brand options and trimming back on subscriptions. When your out-of-pocket maximum is more than $10,000, the stakes are high.
My guest this week, Sarah Khan of My Voice My Health, is a healthcare executive by day and a patient advocate by night. She answers all my questions with a level of insight I hadn’t considered before, and they’re sure to help you make the best choices this open enrollment season.
And in this week's Rich Girl Roundup, we talk about if pausing your investment contributions in a bear market is the right move.
To learn more about our sponsor, Vin Social, check out http://vinsocialvip.com/.
Episode transcripts can be found at https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/.
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Mentioned in the Episode
Check out Sarah's healthcare open enrollment cheat sheet: https://www.myvoicemyhealth.com/openenrollment
Open enrollment with Healthcare.gov: https://www.healthcare.gov/
Money with Katie post on How I'm Budgeting for Healthcare in the US in the Least Frustrating Way: https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/how-im-budgeting-for-healthcare-in-the-united-states-in-the-least-frustrating-way
Money with Katie episode on Navigating the US Healthcare System without Getting Financially F***ed: https://podcast.moneywithkatie.com/navigating-the-us-healthcare-system-without-getting-financially-fed/
Money with Katie post on 3 Myths about Single-Payer Healthcare Systems: https://moneywithkatie.com/blog/myths-about-single-payer-healthcare
Majority of Americans who file for bankruptcy affected by medical issues: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html
JP Morgan Asset Management on market timing: https://am.jpmorgan.com/us/en/asset-management/adv/insights/market-insights/market-updates/on-the-minds-of-investors/is-market-timing-worth-it-during-periods-of-intense-volatility/
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Ethical Consumption & Building Equitable Businesses, with Entrepreneur Sana Javeri Kadri of Diaspora Co. Nov 02, 2022

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Until the global Pamela Anderson, I had never given much thought to ~the supply chain~ and where the things I buy come from—I kinda just took it for granted that I’d have 12 different almond butter options every time I wandered down Aisle 4 at my local King Soopers.
And when you’re knee-deep in the “Financial Independence/Retire Early” world, there’s a heavy emphasis placed on attaining the things you need as cheaply as possible.
Unfortunately, being able to purchase something for a single dollar in the US usually comes at a cost to another human being somewhere up the chain, and as consumers, we’re more or less shielded from exposure to exploitative labor practices, especially globally.
This week, I wanted to explore consumption habits through the “personal finance” lens. We invited Sana Javeri Kadri, an entrepreneur in her twenties who’s revolutionizing the Indian spice trade from the inside out, to join us for the conversation.
Sana (who recently closed a $2 million funding round) is proof that equitable business models are better for everyone from the farmer to the end consumer.
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Mentioned in the Episode
450 million in the global supply chain: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/04/02/covid-19-puts-millions-global-supply-chain-workers-risk
Outsourcing to China, Korea, and the EU: https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_370189/lang--en/index.htm
"Food at home" prices up 12% this year: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-price-outlook/summary-findings/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20all%20food%20prices,between%2010.0%20and%2011.0%20percent.
Crocodile farming and Hermès scandal: https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5bg8x/hermes-plans-to-build-australias-biggest-crocodile-factory-farm
British colonization of India for spices: https://www.statecraft.co.in/article/spices-textiles-slaves-tea-and-opium-why-the-british-came-and-stayed-back-in-india
Bon Appétit's interview with Sana: https://www.bonappetit.com/story/sana-javeri-kadri
60% of India lives on less than $3.10 per day: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/10/world/i-on-india-income-gap/
Diaspora Co.'s single origin spices from 150 farms: https://www.diasporaco.com/pages/about
Sana's $2.1m funding round (Forbes): https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaynaharris/2022/07/14/diaspora-co-mints-21-million-in-fresh-financing-to-build-an-equitable-spice-trade/?sh=635c64c274a4
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