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CJR’s Jon Allsop on the Return of the Trump Whirlwind Jan 31, 2025

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Jon Allsop writes and edits The Media Today, CJR’s daily newsletter. There, he’s closely watched as the American press has struggled to respond to, and cover, the barrage of news that pours out of Donald Trump.

As a frenetic new term begins, Jon joins The Kicker to share his thoughts on what the media gets wrong—and how the political press might begin to chart a new relationship with the presidency and the public.

*Jon’s latest newsletter, on Trump’s first week back in office

*Jon’s 2020 essay on how the media handled Trump’s first term

*Chris Hayes on attention, on Ezra Klein’s podcast

*Susan Glasser on Trump’s exhausting litany of outrages

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Coda’s Natalia Antelava on Meta, Trump, and How Journalism Can Survive 2025 Jan 14, 2025

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Natalia Antelava spent many years as a correspondent for the BBC, before starting her own media company, Coda Story, in 2016. She’s covered wars in the Middle East and the rise of authoritarianism across Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. For the past year, she was a Knight Fellow at Stanford, where she examined how journalism might survive in an era of AI and tech supremacy.

Antelava joins The Kicker to talk about Meta’s decision to do away with fact-checking, preparing for a second Trump administration, what mainstream reporters can learn from conservative podcasters—and why she’s still optimistic about what journalism can achieve in the year to come.

“Noise Is the New Censorship” — Antelava on disinformation and authoritarianism

“Grieving California” — Coda’s 2018 essay on the Tubbs Fire

Hosted by Josh Hersh
Produced by Amanda Darrach

The Unraveling of Ozy Media: Episode 3: The Verdict and the Pain Dec 12, 2024

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In the finale, Carlos Watson takes the stand—and the jury reaches a verdict.

“The Unraveling of Ozy Media” is a special three-part series of The Kicker, on the trial of Carlos Watson and the excesses of the digital media age, presented by the Columbia Journalism Review.

Hosted and coproduced by Josh Hersh and Susie Banikarim
Produced and edited by Amanda Darrach

The Unraveling of Ozy Media: Episode 2: Built on a Bluff Dec 10, 2024

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How inflating traffic data went mainstream in digital media—and a key witness takes the stand.
“The Unraveling of Ozy Media” is a special three-part series of The Kicker, on the trial of Carlos Watson and the excesses of the digital media age, presented by the Columbia Journalism Review.

Hosted and coproduced by Josh Hersh and Susie Banikarim
Produced and edited by Amanda Darrach

The Unraveling of Ozy Media: Episode 1: Truth and Mythmaking Dec 09, 2024

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Carlos Watson’s media startup arrives on the scene—and insiders reveal a dark reality under its glossy veneer.

Hosted and coproduced by Josh Hersh and Susie Banikarim
Produced and edited by Amanda Darrach

Coming Soon: The Unraveling of Ozy Media Dec 05, 2024

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Starting on December 9, the Columbia Journalism Review presents a special three-part series of The Kicker: “The Unraveling of Ozy Media,” on the dramatic rise and fall of Carlos Watson, the cofounder of the digital media company Ozy. In 2023, Watson was charged with fraud after it was revealed that one of his partners had masqueraded as a YouTube executive, during a call with potential investors.

But Ozy’s failure is about more than one man. It’s a story about an era of profligate growth and overpromises in digital media that have left many wondering whether there’s any business model that will work for journalism today.

Join hosts Josh Hersh and Susie Banikarim as they follow Watson’s trial and ask how much of digital media was built on a lie.

How Trump Won the Latino Vote: A Deep Dive with CJR Contributor Jack Herrera Nov 08, 2024

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Nearly half of all Latino voters put their support behind former president Donald Trump this week, according to exit polls—a 14 percent increase from 2020.

Those results surprised many, but not Jack Herrera, who has been reporting on the shifting voting habits of Latino communities across the country for years.

Herrera joins The Kicker to talk about what he’s learned from his journalism in Pennsylvania, Iowa, and the border counties of Texas.

Herrera’s article for CJR’s Election Issue on Lorena López, the editor of Iowa’s La Prensa

Herrera’s 2024 reporting on Latino voting in Pennsylvania, Texas, and Iowa

Martin Baron on Jeff Bezos, the Post, and the role of presidential endorsements Oct 30, 2024

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Martin Baron was the executive editor of the Washington Post from 2013 until his retirement, in 2021—which meant he was there for the arrival of Amazon founder Jeff Bezos as owner and publisher of the paper.

He’s long praised Bezos for taking a firm line against any interference with the paper’s journalism, but Bezos’s sudden decision, announced last week, to torpedo the paper’s planned endorsement of Kamala Harris was a bridge too far. In a post on X, Baron described the move as an act of “cowardice” and “spinelessness.”

Baron joins The Kicker to speak about his intense reaction to the decision, what he thinks has changed with Bezos—and whether it might be time for papers to retire the presidential endorsement anyway.

Baron’s original statement on the Post’s decision

Bezos’s op-ed explaining why he pushed to deep-six the endorsement

A Post news team article investigating the ties Bezos’s companies have to the government—and to a potential second Trump administration
Hosted by Josh Hersh
Produced by Amanda Darrach

How Trump’s team could craft ‘the narrative’ after the election: NBC’s Ryan Reilly on 2020, and the road ahead Oct 25, 2024

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The so-called Big Lie—that the 2020 election was stolen out from under Donald Trump—was more than just a series of individual false facts and misleading videos. It was a narrative, carefully constructed by people affiliated with the Trump campaign, and disseminated through friendly news outlets and social media channels.

Four years later, that story still convinces millions of Trump’s supporters. And as NBC’s Ryan Reilly has reported, it’s one that many people on the former president’s team are already laying the groundwork to repeat this time.

Reilly joins The Kicker to discuss how those stories spread, and why many in the media are better prepared to combat them—while others, including some prominent social media platforms, are poised to make things worse.

Ryan’s NBC News article on the 2020 effort to “stop the vote” in Detroit

Ryan’s book Sedition Hunters: How January 6th Broke the Justice System

New York Magazine on the DC jail block run by convicted January 6 rioters

Politico on how Trump might try to claim victory no matter what
Hosted by Josh Hersh
Produced by Amanda Darrach
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Hell Gate's Chris Robbins on a manic news cycle in New York Oct 09, 2024

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New York City is the media capital of the world, but the number of people and outlets covering the city locally has taken a hit recently. Over the past few years, the Wall Street Journal dropped its independent metro section, the New York Times announced it would stop endorsing local races, and the all-news radio station WCBS went off the air.

But a number of scrappy upstarts have started filling the void. The City, a digital news nonprofit, has led some of the best coverage of the ongoing scandals in the administration of Mayor Eric Adams. And Hell Gate, a year-old digital publication, is providing a fresh, voicey take on news and culture.
Today’s guest is Christopher Robbins, an editor and cofounder of Hell Gate, on the state of news in New York, the latest (at least as of our conversation) fallout from the Adams administration, and how he hopes to keep Hell Gate around for a while.

The Eric Adams Table of Success

Hosted by Josh Hersh

Produced by Emily Russell

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