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    The Julia La Roche Show

    Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on “The Julia La Roche Show” have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.

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    #313 Hugh Hendry On Preparing For The Dawn Of Chaos Dec 05, 2025
    Show notes

    Hugh Hendry, "The Acid Capitalist," returns to the Julia La Roche Show. Hendry breaks down his "macro compass" portfolio framework: 25% equities (overweight Japanese stocks after their 35-year breakout), 25% US treasuries (buying TLT after a 50% decline), 25% alternatives (Bitcoin over gold due to market cap), and 25% strategic cash. His thesis: the treasury market is so large (100% of GDP) that it's prevented inflation despite massive deficit spending, but AI will cause 20% unemployment within 2-3 years. That unemployment will force governments into redistribution mode, finally breaking the system's ability to contain inflation. He discusses why tech valuations are near peak, why the yen carry trade matters, and why sterling may be the first major currency to collapse as the UK's service economy gets hit hardest by AI displacement.


    Hendry founded Eclectica Asset Management, a global macro hedge fund that was pretty much uncorrelated to everything in the financial universe. Hugh started Eclectica in 2002 and ran for 15 years before closing in 2017. He made more than 30% in 2008 betting against banks.


    This episode is brought to you by VanEck.

    Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia


    Links:

    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/hendry_hugh

    Substack: https://hughhendry.substack.com/

    Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-acid-capitalist-podcast/id1511187978

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HughHendryOfficial



    00:00 - Intro

    00:52 - The macro compass: 4 quadrant portfolio framework

    03:52 - Quadrant 1: Equities & why Hugh loves Japanese stocks

    06:10 - Pattern recognition: Buying 35-year breakouts

    08:32 - Quadrant 2: US treasuries (TLT) after 50% collapse

    10:35 - The AI singularity & 20% unemployment prediction

    12:48 - Cheap labor is over: The end of the China era

    15:07 - Why corporations will shed jobs (but won't admit it yet)

    18:37 - Quadrant 3: Gold vs Bitcoin - market cap analysis

    22:03 - Why Hugh prefers Bitcoin over gold

    25:46 - The currency quadrant: Which currencies to hold

    28:15 - Why the dollar may weaken despite being "king"

    32:28 - Hugh's trade of the year: Yen carry unwind

    38:42 - The reflexivity problem: AI makes everything cheaper

    43:15 - Why we didn't get hyperinflation despite massive printing

    48:29 - The treasury market as a "fire gap" stopping inflation

    53:14 - Tech valuations: Are we in a bubble?

    58:36 - Why Hugh thinks we're near peak valuations

    1:02:44 - Why the treasury market stopped inflation (100% of GDP)

    1:04:31 - The chaos trigger: 20% unemployment will break everything

    1:05:00 - Youth unemployment & the rise of socialist politics

    1:06:23 - NYC mayor & the "no billionaires" movement

    1:07:06 - The UK disaster: Disability spending & currency collapse

    1:09:34 - Sterling as first currency casualty of AI


    #312 Dr. Mark Thornton: America's On-Ramp to Hyperinflation and Why It's Still Early in the Bull Market for Gold & Silver Dec 02, 2025
    Show notes

    Dr. Mark Thornton, Senior Fellow at the Mises Institute and Austrian economist who correctly called the housing bubble, warns that we're living in an everything bubble with a flock of black swans ready to ignite a crisis. From commercial real estate cover-ups to private equity opacity, data center spending without defined returns, and trillions in government debt, Dr. Thornton explains how Fed manipulation and artificial interest rates have created malinvestments across the economy—and why Trump's push for lower rates will only fuel more bubble activity. He breaks down Austrian Business Cycle Theory, why we're on the on-ramp to hyperinflation with 2026 looking turbulent, and makes the case for gold and silver as essential hedges against fiat money depreciation in a world of central bank money printing and currency debasement.


    This episode is brought to you by VanEck.

    Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia



    Links

    X: https://x.com/DrMarkThornton

    Free Hayek book: https://store.mises.org/Hayek-for-the-21st-Century-P11367.aspx

    Mises Institute: https://mises.org/profile/mark-thornton


    Timestamps:

    0:00 Intro and welcome Dr. Mark Thornton

    01:09 Concerns about the macro economy

    6:35 Fed manipulation creating vast array of potential swans

    12:00 What if inflation ticks up? Long-term government debt and currency depreciation fears

    14:50 Living through an everything bubble

    18:40 Fed outlook

    22:30 Austrian Business Cycle Theory explained

    28:30 Malinvestment and artificial credit expansion

    34:50 Who really benefits from the Fed's policies?

    44:50 Inflation to pay off the national debt

    46:00 Gold and silver as hedges against fiat money depreciation

    52:40 Early on in the precious metals bull market, silver going above $50 is 'the end of the beginning'

    1:00:03 Path to hyperinflation

    1:07:01 Bitcoin and Austrian School of Economics compatibility

    1:10:31 Final thoughts and closing


    #311 Steve Hanke: Money Supply Acceleration Could Reignite Asset Bubbles and Inflation Nov 26, 2025
    Show notes

    Professor Steve H. Hanke, professor of applied economics at Johns Hopkins University and the founder and co-director of the Institute for Applied Economics, Global Health, and the Study of Business Enterprise, joins Julia La Roche on 311.


    This episode is brought to you by VanEck.

    Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia


    In this episode, Professor Hanke warns that the Fed's decision to end quantitative tightening in December, combined with bank deregulation unlocking $2.6 trillion in lending capacity, could trigger dangerous money supply acceleration and reignite asset bubbles and inflation. He criticizes the Fed for "flying blind" by rejecting the quantity theory of money in favor of a volatile "data-dependent" approach. On recession, Professor Hanke sits "on the fence"—labor weakness justifies rate cuts, but money supply acceleration could prevent any slowdown. He maintains gold will reach $6,000 in this secular bull market.


    Links:

    Twitter/X: https://x.com/steve_hanke

    Making Money Work book: https://www.amazon.com/Making-Money-Work-Rewrite-Financial/dp/1394257260


    0:00 - Intro and welcome back Professor Steve Hanke

    1:20 - Big picture: money supply as fuel for the economy

    3:30 - Fed ending quantitative tightening in December

    6:00 - Yellow lights flashing: potential money supply acceleration, asset price inflation concerns and stock market bubble

    Fed 8:35 - Fed funds rate cut probability fluctuating wildly

    9:36 - Quantity theory of money vs. data-dependent Fed

    11:37 - Flying blind by ignoring money supply

    21:30 - Making Money Work book discussion

    26:15 - Gold consolidating around $4,000, why it's headed to $6,000

    29:24 - Recession probability: sitting on the fence

    30:45 - Labor market weakness vs. money supply acceleration

    32:12 - Why rate cut is justified based on labor market

    33:13 - Closing


    #310 Larry McDonald: A Credit Crisis Has Already Started 'No Question' And The Great Rotation Ahead That's Creating Opportunities In Beaten Down Stocks Nov 24, 2025
    Show notes

    New York Times’ bestselling author Larry McDonald, founder of The Bear Traps Report, returns to The Julia La Roche Show for episode 310. McDonald warns that a credit crisis has officially started with 16+ "idiosyncratic" events spreading tentacles across markets, while a big disruption is coming in Q1 as $6-8 trillion may leave the NASDAQ 100. But this creates an incredible opportunity for the cheap part of the market as the great rotation from growth to value begins, with coal and natural gas companies offering 15% free cash flow yields while tech giants burn cash in an AI arms race that's destroying their balance sheets. The market has internally crashed with the average S&P stock down 30-40%, but a handful of names are masking the carnage—and Larry reveals where the smart money is rotating.


    This episode is brought to you by VanEck.

    Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia


    Links:

    How To Listen When Markets Speak: https://www.amazon.com/Listen-When-Markets-Speak-Opportunities-ebook/dp/B0C4DFVFNR

    Colossal Failure of Common Sense: https://www.amazon.com/Colossal-Failure-Common-Sense-Collapse/dp/B002IFLWMK

    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Convertbond

    Bear Traps Report: https://www.thebeartrapsreport.com/



    0:00 Intro: Welcome back Larry McDonald, founder of The Bear Traps Report & author of "How to Listen When Markets Speak"

    1:30 Credit bulls turning bearish

    3:50 Credit most times leads equities

    7:12 When does 'idiosyncratic' become systemic?

    9:32 Opportunities for great stock buys

    13:30 Nvidia

    15:03 Dark side of passive investing

    20:40 Set up for an incredible rotation from growth to value

    22:00 Update on the hard asset thesis, commodity bull market

    23:20 AI power trade

    26:45 Banks buying Credit Default Swaps

    29:20 A credit crisis has started

    32:00 Parting thoughts


    #309 Chris Whalen Warns of Year-End Liquidity Crunch Nov 22, 2025
    Show notes

    Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, joins The Julia La Roche Show for "The Wrap with Chris Whalen." Whalen breaks down why markets are heading into a turbulent year-end. With the Treasury pulling $1 trillion out of the banking system and the Fed holding emergency meetings with dealers, a liquidity crunch is brewing just as big banks close their books after Thanksgiving. Chris explains why there won't be a December rate cut despite Fed happy talk, why the "silent crisis" in commercial real estate and private credit is spreading to insurance companies holding retail investors' annuities, and why public companies with Bitcoin exposure are about to report massive losses at year-end. Plus: the housing correction has officially begun as home price appreciation goes flat and GSEs start marking down property values.


    Links:

    The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/

    The Wrap: Is it November 2018 All Over Again?: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira778

    Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673

    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen

    Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/


    Timestamps:

    0:00 Intro: Welcome back to The Wrap with Chris Whalen

    0:41 No consensus for Fed cut in December

    2:22 Why John Williams' "happy talk" doesn't matter

    4:35 Treasury is the gorilla: $1 trillion drained from markets

    4:58 Year-end liquidity crisis brewing

    6:24 What that emergency Fed meeting was really all about

    8:40 Bitcoin's ugly fall

    14:45 Housing correction ahead?

    27:04 What Chris Is Watching: Money markets and bank earnings

    28:47 Commercial real estate & private credit pain

    30:29 Where to find Chris and final thoughts


    #308 Danielle DiMartino Booth: Fed Risks Repeating December 2018 Liquidity Crisis With Rate Hold Nov 20, 2025
    Show notes

    Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO and Chief Strategist at QI Research, joins Julia La Roche to break down the FOMC minutes. Danielle discusses the deep divisions within the Federal Reserve and their controversial decision-making heading into December. She argues the Fed is willfully ignoring abundant alternative data sources like ADP's weekly reports while claiming to fly blind without official jobs data—data that won't be released until after their December meeting due to administrative delays. Booth warns that if the Fed doesn't cut rates in December, they risk triggering a liquidity crisis similar to December 2018, when Powell's hawkish stance caused a market bloodbath on Christmas Eve and forced him to reverse course.


    This episode is brought to you by VanEck.

    Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia



    Links:

    Danielle's Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/dimartinobooth

    Substack: https://dimartinobooth.substack.com/

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DanielleDiMartinoBoothQI

    Fed Up: https://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Insiders-Federal-Reserve/dp/0735211655


    Timestamps:

    0:00 - Introduction & post-FOMC reaction

    0:27 - Deep divisions within the Federal Reserve

    1:47 - Fed's tone deafness on inflation concerns

    2:05 - Politics at the Federal Open Market Committee

    3:32 - Alternative data sources: ADP & jobless claims

    5:38 - The irony: administration's self-inflicted rate cut problem

    6:51 - ADP data: what Powell said vs. what the Fed does

    7:32 - Market reaction & Nvidia's impact

    8:13 - Should the Fed cut rates in December?

    9:39 - Powell's contacts: the willful blindness problem

    10:12 - Fed independence vs. politicization

    11:28 - The damage of playing politics with monetary policy

    13:51 - Treasury yields & market concerns

    17:38 - Debt servicing crisis & political implications

    26:54 - Private credit & private equity discussions

    27:30 - Liquidity crisis warning: emergency rate cut risk

    28:44 - Question for Powell?

    29:27 - Why an emergency cut may be necessary

    31:52 - Closing thoughts


    #307 Brian Hirschmann: Gold to Double From Here In Next Crisis, Most Dangerous Time in Financial History Nov 18, 2025
    Show notes

    Value investor Brian Hirschmann, managing partner of hedge fund Hirschmann Capital, warns we're in the most dangerous time in financial history with three unprecedented bubbles—equities, real estate, and bonds. Hirschmann sees gold doubling to $8,000+ in the coming crisis, but argues for significant upside in gold mining developers. He predicts the Fed will be trapped in a stagflation scenario, and warns the next crisis will be the mother of all financial crises.


    This episode is brought to you by VanEck.

    Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia


    Links:

    Hirschmann Capital: https://www.hcapital.llc/

    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/HCapitalLLC


    Timestamps:

    0:00 Intro and welcome back Brian Hirschmann

    1:20 Macro picture, 3 bubbles bigger, most dangerous time in US financial history

    5:00 Era of bailouts is over, government debt at breaking point

    8:10 Are we past the point of no return?

    9:00 US debt at 120% of GDP, virtually all countries at this level defaulted

    15:55 Gold discussion: doubled since last appearance 18 months ago

    20:54 Gold could more than double to $8,500+ if crisis hits

    24:27 Gold miners vs gold: developers trading at 20% of intrinsic value

    30:36 Misconceptions about gold's rise: tariffs, Chinese central bank, ETFs

    34:04 Bitcoin

    39:33 Fed will be trapped, lose control of interest rates in stagflation scenario

    42:00 Lessons from David Swensen

    45:19 Closing remarks


    #306 Chris Whalen: Markets Running Out of Buyers, Fed Flying Blind & Setting Up for 2018-Style Repo Crisis Nov 15, 2025
    Show notes

    Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, joins The Julia La Roche Show for the debut of his weekly segment "The Wrap with Chris Whalen." Markets hit all-time highs this week before pulling back sharply as the Fed ended quantitative tightening amid growing liquidity stress in money markets—echoing the dangerous conditions of November 2018 when Chairman Powell nearly crashed the system. Whalen warns we're seeing the same warning signs: tightening liquidity, basis trades breaking down, and a Fed flying blind without proper tools to measure reserve availability. Meanwhile, cracks are appearing across markets—from Bitcoin's retreat below $100k to BlackRock's stunning 100% writedown on private debt it valued at par just weeks ago.


    Links:

    The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/

    The Wrap: Is it November 2018 All Over Again?: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira778

    Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673

    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen

    Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/


    Timestamps:

    0:00 - Introduction: New weekly segment "The Wrap with Chris Whalen"

    0:42 - Markets this week: biggest decline since April

    2:34 - Treasury General Account and bank reserves

    6:50 - December rate cut now 50-50 toss up

    8:14 - Economy still bubbling along robustly

    8:39 - If big sell-off, Fed will start QE again

    10:40 - Is it November 2018 all over again?

    14:38 - Are we setting up for another repo crisis?

    17:27 - Bitcoin fell below $95,000 - what's it signaling?

    20:50 - Gold discussion: most investors under-invested

    24:44 - Private credit concerns

    25:48 - Government shutdown resolution

    28:29 - Mortgage markets and housing policy

    30:00 - Closing remarks and what to watch next week


    #305 James Lavish: The TGA — The Most Important Macro Concept Right Now That Most People Are Missing Nov 13, 2025
    Show notes

    James Lavish, co-managing partner of the Bitcoin Opportunity Fund and author of The Informationist newsletter, joins Episode 305 of the Julia La Roche Show. In this episode, Lavish explains how the government shutdown has locked nearly $1 trillion in the Treasury General Account, draining liquidity from financial systems and raising concerns about a 2019-style repo crisis as bank reserves fall to dangerous levels. He argues Americans have lost 25% of their purchasing power from 2020 to 2025, and while technology should bring deflation, we instead have persistent 3% inflation because it's necessary to manage $38 trillion in debt through currency debasement. Lavish explains the K-shaped economy where the top 1% gained 8X wealth since 1990 versus 4X for the bottom 50%, noting commercial real estate defaults are spiking and subprime auto lenders are collapsing. When the TGA liquidity eventually floods back into markets, he warns not to mistake it for prosperity—it's currency debasement, which is why he recommends positioning in hard assets like Bitcoin, gold, and real estate. The Fed is trapped between dual mandates with no way out, and while AI stocks may have gotten ahead of themselves risking a market shock, his message is clear: own assets because he's not bullish on the economy, he's bearish on the currency.



    This episode is brought to you by VanEck.

    Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia


    Links:

    Twitter/X: https://x.com/jameslavish

    The Informationist: https://jameslavish.substack.com/

    The Bitcoin Opportunity Fund: https://www.bitcoinopportunity.fund/


    Timestamps:

    0:00 - Introduction and welcome

    1:20 - Big picture macro view: Fed battling dual mandates

    4:30 - Stagflation risk: prices rising as economy rolls over

    5:10 - Government shutdown removing liquidity from markets

    7:19 - Treasury General Account (TGA) explained

    14:21 - 2019 repo crisis explained

    21:31 - Current concerns about overnight lending market

    26:18 - Will Fed do QE again?

    29:03 - Credit markets

    29:07 - K-shaped economy explained

    37:08 - Position for currency deterioration

    38:28 - Why people think 2% inflation is normal

    40:11 - Lost 25% purchasing power from 2020 to 2025

    40:41 - Technology should bring deflation, not inflation

    46:30 - Why we need inflation: $38 trillion debt problem

    50:59 - What's keeping James up at night

    55:27 - Closing remarks and contact information


    #304 Ed Dowd: We're Already in a Recession, "One More Pump Then It's Over" for Stocks, Oil to $30, China Facing Crisis, Deflation Scare, & Gold to $10K by 2030 Nov 10, 2025
    Show notes

    Edward Dowd, Founding Partner of Phinance Technologies, a global macro alternative investment firm, and author of "Cause Unknown: The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022,” joins Julia La Roche on episode 304. Ed Dowd argues we're already in a technical recession, with the stock market bubble driven by just seven stocks masking underlying economic weakness as housing rolls over, layoffs accelerate at Amazon and UPS, and credit markets tighten. He warns that insider selling is at unprecedented levels as institutions distribute to retail investors in classic "FOMO" behavior, while the equal-weighted S&P has gone nowhere since January. Dowd criticizes the Trump administration for gaslighting Americans about the economy instead of communicating the Biden hangover from illegal immigration and deficit spending, explains China is exporting deflation due to their real estate crisis and 20 years of excess housing inventory, and predicts a deflation scare with oil plummeting to $30 before the Fed intervenes with massive QE. He recommends raising cash and moving into treasuries like Warren Buffett, expects the dollar to rip as liquidity dries up globally, sees gold hitting $10,000 by 2030 as central banks accumulate it, and warns Bitcoin will go much lower as it's underperforming treasuries—an early warning indicator of the risk-off environment ahead.


    This episode is brought to you by VanEck.

    Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia


    This episode is brought to you by Monetary Metals. Learn more at https://monetary-metals.com/julia


    Links:

    PhinanceTechnologies: https://phinancetechnologies.com/

    US Economy Outlook 2025: https://phinancetechnologies.com/Product_USEconomyOutlook2025.htm?

    Twitter/X: https://x.com/DowdEdward


    Timestamps:

    0:00 - Introduction and welcome

    1:09 - Macro view

    5:00 - Credit markets tightening, distribution phase of stock market, Trump administration gaslighting about economy

    7:00 - China at a crossroads: real estate crisis going acute

    7:55 - China exporting deflation, depreciating the yuan

    9:00 - Tariffs are deflationary

    10:00 - Risk-off environment is coming

    11:00 - Dollar outlook

    12:40 - Risk off environment: flight to safety into treasuries

    14:20 - Three Hindenburg omens: market breadth disaster

    15:00 - Gold discussion: long-term bullish, going to $10,000 by 2030

    17:00 - AI bubble: momentum and administration fomenting it

    22:20 - Retail FOMO buying: sign of unhealthy market

    24:32 - Fed cutting but still behind the curve

    27:00 - Credit markets sniffing out deflation scare

    30:00 - 1970s stagflation period: inflation/deflation yo-yo

    30:37 - Oil going to $30: China internal consumption plummeted

    33:43 - Gaslighting about the economy: people feel the reality

    35:30 - China facing crossroads and crisis starting in 2020

    40:00 - Dollar liquidity issue: people scrambling for dollars

    40:40 - Treasury Secretary Bessent can term out debt during recession

    41:03 - Yellen front-loaded debt, significance of terming it out

    42:30 - Immigration

    48:40 - 100% probability we're in recession now

    49:30 - How to be allocated: raise cash for flexibility

    50:40 - Japan carry trade could blow up at any moment

    52:00 - What makes Ed optimistic: asset prices will come down

    54:07 - Where to find Ed's work and research


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