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200. Exploring the Pareto Principle Nov 04, 2021

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In this episode, we investigate the principle set forth by Vilfredo Pareto (an Economist born in 1848) which specifies that 80% of consequences come from 20% of the causes, asserting an unequal relationship between inputs and outputs. This principle serves as a general reminder that the relationship between inputs and outputs is not balanced. The Pareto Principle is also known as the Pareto Rule, the 80/20 Rule, or the Matthew Principle.

Jordan often uses the principle to demonstrate the harsh reality that inequality is not a simple issue, and therefore has no simple answer.

Sections:

[1:20] - 2017 Maps of Meaning 01 (Context and Background)

[10:45] - 2017 Personality 13 Existentialism via Solzhenitsyn and the Gulag

[17:01] - Biblical Series VIII The Phenomenology of the Divine

[21:34] - 12 Rules for Life Tour - Melbourne, Australia.

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199. Death, Meaning, and the Power of the Invisible World | Clay Routledge Nov 01, 2021

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Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 54. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.

Dr. Clay Routledge is an existential psychologist, writer, and professor at North Dakota State University. He's also a senior research fellow at the Archbridge Institute and an editor for Profectus magazine. Dr. Routledge studies basic psychological needs and how they're shaped by family, social bonds, economics, and broader cultural worldviews. He has published over 100 scholarly papers, co-edited three books on existential psychology, and written several books, including Nostalgia: A Psychological Resource, Supernatural: Death, Meaning, and the Power of the Invisible World.

A lot of Dr. Routledge’s work - like Dr. Peterson's - focuses on the need for meaning. The two had a wide-ranging conversation about loneliness, meaning, nostalgia, Terror Management Theory, and existential psychology. They also shared views on human progress, responsibility, religion, and UFOs.

Dr. Clay Routledge Website: https://www.clayroutledge.com/

Dr. Rouledge Article on Meaning: https://www.archbridgeinstitute.org/2020/05/28/why-meaning-matters-for-freedom-and-flourishing/

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[00:00] Intro

[00:18] Jordan B. Peterson introduces guest Dr. Clay Routledge

[01:55] How Dr. Clay Routledge got into his work

[09:43] Terror Management Theory

[18:33] The resistance to Terror Management Theory

[22:01] Existential Psychology

[27:09] The psychology of nostalgia

[34:31] What elicits nostalgia

[40:36] Pain responses

[44:58] Reminiscence therapy and nostalgia

[47:47] Collective nostalgia

[54:48] Religion and its cultural impact

[01:04:03] Secularism and UFOs

[01:08:33] Politics, control, and meaning

[01:16:36] The different kinds of meaning and the freedom of restraint

[01:24:17] Filling the hole of religion

[01:28:34] Human progress

[01:32:38] Dr. Routldge's survey of American progress amongst university students and the apocalypse

[01:43:43] Meaning across different cultures

[01:48:18] Religion in free-market societies and ethical principles

[01:51:56] Dr. Routledge's qualitative taxonomy on meaning

[01:55:18] Responsibility and meaning

[02:02:12] Loneliness

[02:07:35] Dr. Routledge’s purpose with his work

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Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and the author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil, and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages.

Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience (#877, #958, #1006), The Rubin Report (12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, Free Speech, Psychology, Gender Pronouns), H3H3 (#37), and many more. Dr. Peterson’s own podcast has focused mainly on his lecture series, covering a great deal of psychology and historical content. Jordan is expanding his current podcast from lectures to interviews with influential people around the world. We hope you enjoy this episode and more to come from Dr. Peterson in the future.

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198. Enlightenment and the Righteous Mind | Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt Oct 25, 2021

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This episode was recorded on June 6th, 2021.

Dr Peterson, Steven Pinker, and Jonathan Haidt sit down to discuss truth, how societies function, utopias, the role of religion, & more.

Steven Pinker is a psychology professor at Harvard. He's the author of Enlightenment Now and The Blank Slate. His 12th book, "Rationality," is out now. Dr. Pinker has received many awards and often writes for The Guardian and The NY Times.

Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist at NYU Stern. His research focuses on the intuitive foundations of morality across cultures. He's the author of The Righteous Mind and The Coddling of the American Mind. His next book, "Three Stories about Capitalism," is expected by 2022.

Follow Steven's Twitter:

https://twitter.com/sapinker

Read Steven Pinker's book:

https://stevenpinker.com/publications/rationality-what-it-why-it-seems-so-scarce-and-why-it-matters

Find more Jonathan Haidt here:

https://www.thecoddling.com/

Read Jonathan's book:

https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224919

Jonathan's most recent essay:

https://www.persuasion.community/p/haidt-monomania-is-illiberal-and

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[0:00] Intro

[00:18] Jordan introduces guests Dr. Stephen Pinker and Dr. Jonathan Haidt

[02:47] Catching up with the recent research and endeavors of Jonathan Haidt. Elaborating on the framework of moralism versus true and false when viewing the world

[07:00] How cognitive biases lead to a more pessimistic view of the world

[10:30] The problems with the idea of utopia and its beneficial uses when properly inserted into a society's belief (religious) structure

[18:00] Examining the role group religions play in bringing people together

[24:30] Jordan highlights the role he believes Christianity had in turning people's attention to the evil within us all

[29:30] Reflections on Enlightenment Now. How do you engage people towards a higher set of goals without religion as a backbone?

[38:00] Is the world we live in a new frontier based on the expanding influence of the internet and social media on individuals' decision-making?

[48:00] Discussion on the dangers posed by the new world to the endurance of liberal democracies

[56:00] Finding truth in the post-2012 social media revolution

[1:06:00] The rate of change in modern life

[1:07:00] The Righteous Mind, Haidt's interpretation of the religious instinct/impulse and why he gets a positive reaction from religious crowds

[1:06:00] Saying goodbye to Dr. Pinker due to time constraints

[1:17:30] The human ability for imitation through learning or exploring

[1:25:30] Religion as a social function? Or an inherent impulse inside us all to find higher states?

[1:29:30] Comparing views on the central uniting principle of groups, societies, or human beings for that matter

[1:33:00] Is the extreme claim that power is the central driving factor of western European civilization grounded in reality?

[1:37:52] Is having a common purpose or shared beliefs a more powerful way of bringing people together?

[1:45:00] Recounting Haidt's research on disgust in both humans and animals

[1:52:00] Exploring any correlation to disgust levels and political beliefs/alliance

[02:02:30] Wrapping up

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197. Apocalypse Never? | Michael Shellenberger Oct 18, 2021

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This episode was recorded on October 4th, 2021

Dr. Jordan Peterson and Michael Shellenberger exchange ideas about the Apocalyptic Environmentalism that is getting mainstream coverage. Michael sheds light on the true impact of climate change and the theory of nuclear peace. As they dive into Michael’s new book, “San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities'', Dr. Peterson shares his view on the book and what he enjoyed about it.

Michael Shellenberger is the best-selling author of Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All, a Time Magazine “Hero of the Environment,” and “Green Book Award” winner. He is also the Founder and President of Environmental Progress, an independent and nonprofit research organization based in Berkeley, California. He advises policymakers around the world and has writings and TED talks viewed over 5 million times.

Read Michael’s books: https://shorturl.at/eijoL

Check out Environmental Progress: https://environmentalprogress.org

Follow Michael on Twitter: https://shorturl.at/amLO2

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Shownotes

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[00:00] Jordan introduces this week's guest, Michael Shellenberger.

[01:07] The meaning of “Time” magazine “hero of environment” and “green book award winner”.

[01:33] Michael’s thoughts on the impact of environmentalism on mental health.

[02:59] Who Michael Shellenberger is and his book "Apocalypse Never."

[05:49] Cognitive Behavior Therapy.

[07:44] Dr. Peterson’s view towards dealing with problems.

[08:44] Being a good person according to Dr. Peterson.

[11:59] The religious movement of Apocalyptic Environmentalism.

[13:19] Dr. Peterson and values.

[21:17] Death of God and the highest ideal.

[24:02] Nature and the positive feminine.

[25:04] 'The Great Mother' by Erich Neumann.

[27:33] The relationship between plastic waste and OCD.

[29:57] Vegetarianism & the ritual of saying grace.

[31:04] Why Dr. Jordan thinks Becker's book is flawed.

[32:09] Erich Neumann 'The Origins and History of Consciousness.'

[36:31] Mass Extinction.

[37:49] Land production according to Michael Shellenberger.

[38:34] Temple Grandin.

[43:58] How sweatshops save the planet.

[45:23] Dr. Peterson shares his perspective on subsistence farming.

[48:35] The smart environmentalists.

[52:07] The food surpluses and population declines.

[53:12] The reduction of carbon emissions.

[55:27] Dr. Peterson comments on being at a subsistence level.

[56:11] Michael’s connection between benevolence and energy transformation.

[57:12] Dr. Peterson comments on the relationship between work and energy.

[57:40] Depression and the environment.

[59:53] Displacement and nuclear power plants.

[01:02:16] The theory of nuclear weapons & peace.

[01:06:19] The unwarranted apocalypse.

[01:08:21] Shellenberger comments on climate change.

[01:09:48] Dealing with the runaway positive feedback loop.

[01:12:58] Dr. Peterson and “safe routes”.

[01:14:10] Dr. Peterson’s perspective towards apocalypses.

[01:15:15] Dealing with crisis and resilience to different kinds of catastrophes.

[01:17:09] Prosperity and eradicating poverty.

[01:20:59] The environmental problems we should address.

[01:24:47] The problem with the free market obsession.

[01:27:42] San FranSicko - Shellenberger’s book.

[01:32:25] Pathological altruism.

[01:34:08] Dr. Peterson’s thoughts on excessive compassion.

[01:37:43] The hero's journey.

[01:38:46] The most reliable cure for alcoholism according to Dr. Peterson.

[01:40:04] Victor Frankl, blaming the victim, and the positive maternal.

[01:45:04] How people in Amsterdam and America deal with addiction.

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196. Australia: Lockdowns and Location Apps | John Anderson Oct 11, 2021

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This episode was recorded on September 9th.

Dr. Jordan Peterson and John Anderson exchange ideas about the freedom of conscience, policies, and mandatory vaccines. Dr. Jordan shares his experience with policies while Anderson shares tips on conducting proper debates while commenting on the governmental debates. See how Australia connects to their discussion and how social media came into play.

John Anderson is a sixth-generation farmer and grazier from New South Wales, who spent 19 years in the Australian Parliament. After serving in politics, Anderson launched a web-based interview program, Conversations with John Anderson, featuring interviews with public intellectuals. He continues to serve the interests of Australia’s rural and regional communities.

Find more John Anderson on his website https://johnanderson.net.au/

Check out his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/JohnAndersonConversations

Check out his Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnandersonao

Follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JohnAndersonAO/

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Shownotes

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● [00:00] Dr. Peterson introduces this week’s guest, John Anderson.

● [03:32] "The problem with fighting fire with fire is that you end up burning." Dr. Peterson

● [03:54] What’s happening in Australia and the west?

● [04:26] John’s tips for proper debates.

● [06:17] How Anderson views Australia’s regime.

● [06:40] China’s imposed threat on Australia.

● [09:09] John quoting Henry Kissinger on freedom.

● [09:47] The legality of mandatory vaccines in western culture and the blitz story during WWII in Britain.

● [11:48] Anderson’s analogy of democracy.

● [14:31] Dr. Peterson’s advice on policies.

● [16:05] The lockdowns in Australia.

● [22:07] Dr. Peterson’s perspective towards proper political force on vaccinations.

● [21:26] The cost of safety.

● [25:29] John’s opinion on debates.

● [26:56] Breaking down trust in the government.

● [31:53] How governmental debates should be conducted.

● [37:21] Freedom of Conscious.

● [43:10] The best rationale for mandatory vaccines.

● [53:01] Lockdowns and the dangers of mandating medical procedures.

● [59:46] The power of social media and John’s thoughts on moving forward.

● [01:02:19] Social media and John's podcast.

● [01:06:47] Anderson’s thoughts on freedom and governments.

● [01:10:15] Australian politicians' understanding of social media.

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Visit www.jordanbpeterson.com to view more information about Jordan, his books, lectures, social media, blog posts, and more.

Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and the author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages.

Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience, The Rubin Report, H3H3, and many more. Dr. Peterson’s own podcast has focused mainly on his lecture series, covering a great deal of psychology and historical content. Jordan is expanding his current podcast from lectures to interviews with influential people around the world. We hope you enjoy this episode and more to come from Dr. Peterson in the future.

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195. Enhanced Interrogation Techniques | Mohamedou Ould Slahi Oct 04, 2021

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Mohamedou Ould Slahi was detained at Guantanamo Bay without charge for 14 years. His best-selling memoir ‘Guantánamo Diary: The Fully Restored Text’ and movie ‘The Mauritanian’ are available now.

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Dr. Jordan Peterson’s guest Mohamedou Ould Slahi shares his experience with more than a decade of torture and depression in Guantánamo Bay. Mohamedou starts with his childhood and guides us through his journey across Germany and Canada. The life-changing phone call and his hard-to-hear torture sessions are shared as he explains the change he experienced in his beliefs. Check out this episode to listen to how his 14 years of pain ended.

Mohamedou Ould Slahi was detained for 14 years at Guantanamo Bay detention camp without charge. Though the Mauritanian citizen continued journaling while imprisoned, the U.S. government declassified it. In January 2015, the diary became an international bestseller and a 2021 drama film titled “The Mauritanian”.

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194. Searching for God within Oxford and Cambridge | James Orr & Nigel Biggar Sep 27, 2021

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Dr. James Orr is a Ph.D. holding author of books The Mind of God and The Works of Nature. Dr. Nigel Biggar is an American priest, author, and moral and pastoral theology professor at Oxford.

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In today’s episode, Dr. Jordan, Dr. James Orr, and Dr. Nigel Biggar discussed how religion and culture affect your identity. They also discuss nationalism, human rights throughout history, ideology, and more. Want to know how your identity gives meaning to your life? Then this episode is for you.

Dr. James Orr is an assistant professor in the Faculty of Divinity at the University of Cambridge. He holds a PhD from the University of Cambridge and a BA in Classics from Balliol College, Oxford. He is the author of The Mind of God and the Works of Nature and teaches the philosophy of religion and ethics at Cambridge. He is a regular contributor to The Times Literary Supplement and The Critic Magazine.

Dr. Nigel Biggar, an Anglican priest, is a moral and pastoral theology professor at Oxford where he also directs the Mcdonald centre for theology, ethics, and public life. He is the author behind many books including: What’s Wrong with Rights? Between Kin and Cosmopolis, In Defense of War, and Behaving in Public: How to do Christian Ethics in Public.

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Neo-Aristotelian Metaphysics and the Theology of Nature: https://www.routledge.com/Neo-Aristotelian-Metaphysics-and-the-Theology-of-Nature/Simpson-Koons-Orr/p/book/9780367637149

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193. Sex and Dating Apps | Rob Henderson Sep 20, 2021

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Rob Henderson is a US Air Force veteran, Ph.D. student in evolutionary and social psychology, and prolific writer.

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Dr. Jordan Peterson and Rob Henderson exchange ideas about the impact of luxury beliefs on the different socioeconomic classes, polyamory, and the idea of the patriarchal institution. Dr. Jordan shares his experience with Henderson as they discuss psychopathy and its relationship with dating apps. Check out this episode to listen to what they have to say about pornography, defunding the police, the role of sex, the consequences of reproductive technology, and much more.

Rob Henderson, a veteran of the US Air Force, is a Ph.D. student in evolutionary and social psychology at the University of Cambridge. He also got his bachelor’s degree in psychology from Yale. His writing appeared in worldwide newspapers like the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and Quillette. Currently, he is writing a memoir to be published in late 2022.

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192. Individuality, Autonomy, and the PPC | Maxime Bernier Sep 17, 2021

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Honorable Maxime Bernier is the leader of the People’s Party of Canada (PPC), former MP of Beauce (‘06-’19) and candidate for the Prime ministership of Canada.

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In this episode Maxime shares his story, how and why he got into politics, the founding of the PPC and his vision for the future of Canada. There is also discussion on “common sense” policies, free markets, governmental overreach, the dismantling of classical conservative ideals, and the upcoming Canadian election (20th September 2021).

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191. Justin Trudeau and the Election that Should Have Never Been | Rex Murphy Sep 14, 2021

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Rex Murphy is a renowned Canadian commentator and author who deals primarily with Canadian political and social matters.

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In this special episode Dr. Peterson and Rex Murphy discuss the Canadian political landscape, Justin Trudeau’s government, the federal debate, the upcoming election and why it was called in the first place.

Rex is best known working on and for CBC Here and Now, CBC Radio 1’s Cross Country Checkup, writing for The Globe and Mail, and writing for The National Post.

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