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    The ITSPmagazine Podcast

    Founded in 2015, ITSPmagazine began as a vision for a publication positioned at the critical intersection of technology, cybersecurity, and society. What started as a written publication has evolved into a comprehensive repository for all their content—podcasts, articles, event coverage, interviews, videos, panels, and everything they create.
    This is where Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli talk about cybersecurity, technology, society, music, storytelling, branding, conference coverage, and whatever else catches their attention. Over a decade of conversations exploring how these worlds collide, influence each other, and shape the human experience.
    This is where you’ll find it all.

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    CryptoCurious? The Future of Finance | A Conversation with Haseeb Awan | 2 Cyber Chicks Podcast With Erika McDuffie And Jax Scott Aug 17, 2023
    Show notes

    Guest: Haseeb Awan, CEO and Founder at EFANI Secure Mobile [@efani]

    On Twitter | https://twitter.com/haseeb

    On LinkedIn | https://linkedin.com/in/haseebawan

    Website | https://haseebawan.com/

    Hosts:

    Jax Scott
    On ITSPmagazine 👉 http://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/jaclyn-jax-scott

    Erika McDuffie
    On ITSPmagazine 👉 http://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/erika-mcduffie

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    Sponsors

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    Episode Introduction

    If crypto hacking, crypto ATMs, securing the blockchain, decentralized finance and startups interest you, this is the episode for you! Haseeb Awan, an experienced CEO and founder in the Crypto and Cyber space joins Jax and Erika for an insightful conversation.

    Haseeb has been highlighted in the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Mashable, Hulu, NASDAQ, Netflix, Techcrunch, Coinbase, and more. Haseeb has been awarded recognitions such as Top 10 Startups of the year and Ottawa Immigrant Entrepreneur of the year. As a Pakistani Canadian living in the United States, Haseeb brings no shortage of diversity to the table: From a bachelors in electrical engineering and communications, a masters in engineering management to prestigious incubator and founder programs.

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    For more podcast stories from 2 Cyber Chicks with Erika McDuffie and Jax Scott, visit:
    👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/2-cyber-chicks-podcast


    “Bizarre Trends and Misinformation: A Look into Technology, Health, and Society” | A Carbon, a Silicon, and a Cell walk into a bar... | A Redefining Society Podcast Series With Recurring Guest Dr. Bruce Y. Lee and Host Marco Ciappelli Aug 15, 2023
    Show notes

    Guest: Dr. Bruce Y Lee, Executive Director of PHICOR (Public Health Informatics, Computational, and Operations Research) [@PHICORteam]

    On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/bruce-y-lee-68a6834/

    On Twitter | https://twitter.com/bruce_y_lee

    Website | https://www.bruceylee.com/

    On Forbes | https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/

    On Psychology Today | https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/bruce-y-lee-md-mba

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    Host: Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast

    On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/marco-ciappelli
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    Episode Introduction

    Welcome to the second episode of our series, 'A Carbon, a Silicon, and a Cell, walk into a Bar...', part of the 'Redefining Society' podcast. I'm Marco Ciappelli, and I'm joined by Dr. Bruce Y. Lee as we explore the intriguing blend of technology, health, and society that we delve into once a month.

    Our conversation today takes us to a virtual bar where topics range from bizarre TikTok trends like beer tanning to the dangers of misinformation surrounding health remedies. Dr. Lee's expertise in artificial intelligence, digital health, and journalism provides profound insights into these matters.

    For instance, we discussed the myth of pouring beer over oneself to activate melanin and enhance tanning—a trend that's not only scientifically wrong but dangerous. Similarly, we examined social media trends that promote harmful practices, such as eating laundry detergent boosters, and how these might be linked to human psychology and a lack of critical thinking.

    We also touch on how the allure of simple solutions and viral content can mislead people into accepting misinformation. We both believe in the power of education and critical thinking to help society navigate this intricate landscape.

    In our conversations, humor and seriousness intertwine, reflecting on the complexity of our modern society and the role of technology, cybersecurity, and humanity. Our goal is to engage, enlighten, and provoke thought, and we hope you find our musings both entertaining and informative.

    So grab your headphones, join us at our virtual bar, and let's explore together the intricate intersections that are continually redefining our society. Don't forget to share, follow, subscribe, and be part of our ongoing conversation.

    Until next time, stay curious and never stop questioning!

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    Resources

    PHICOR: https://www.phicor.org/

    AIMINGS: https://www.phicor.org/aimings

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    To see and hear more Redefining Society stories on ITSPmagazine, visit:
    https://www.itspmagazine.com/redefining-society-podcast

    Watch the webcast version on-demand on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllTUoWMGGQHlGVZA575VtGr9

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    CTO Excellence | A Conversation With Etienne de Bruin | Tech Done Different Podcast With Ben Schmerler and Ted Harrington Aug 15, 2023
    Show notes

    Guest: Etienne de Bruin, Author and Founder of 7CTOs [@7ctos]

    On Twitter | https://twitter.com/etdebruin

    On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/etdebruin/

    On YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/@7CTOs

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    Hosts:

    Ben Schmerler

    On ITSPmagazine 👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/ben-schmerler

    Ted Harrington

    On ITSPmagazine 👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/ted-harrington

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    This Episode’s Sponsors

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    Episode Description

    On this episode Ted sits down with Best Selling Author and Founder of 7CTO’s Etienne de Bruin. The long time friends discuss what CTOs get right and wrong in their roles.

    You’ll Learn:

    - Why Etienne felt this was the right time to publish his book

    - What you need to do in the first 100 days as a new CTO at a company

    - The different issues a new CTO may encounter vs. a CTO who is promoted within

    - Why a new CTO should look at this role as marathon instead of a sprint

    - Why being a better listener is so important in this role

    - What should you do on day 101

    - The difference between influence and authority

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    Resources

    Learn more about Etienne de Bruin and his book at https://www.ctoexcellence.com/

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    For more podcast stories from Tech Done Different With Ted Harrington and Ben Schmerler: https://www.itspmagazine.com/tech-done-different-podcast

    Watch the webcast version on-demand on YouTube:

    📺 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllTQ79pdnWWvCuhWjyw9WGwi

    ITSPMagazine YouTube Channel:

    📺 https://www.youtube.com/@itspmagazine

    Be sure to share and subscribe!


    How to Protect Your Business: Data Privacy and Security with ChatGPT and Generative AI Models Feat. Rich Davis | Secure Your Strategy Podcast With Chloé Messdaghi Aug 15, 2023
    Show notes

    Guest: Rich Davis, Head of Security & Networking Solutions, EMEA at Netskope [@Netskope]

    On LinkedIn | https://uk.linkedin.com/in/richarddavis1

    Host: Chloé Messdaghi

    On ITSPmagazine 👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/chloe-messdaghi

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    Episode Introduction

    In this podcast episode, we dive deep into the data privacy and security concerns stemming from the rising adoption of ChatGPT and similar generative AI models in the corporate landscape.

    Join us as we unravel the intricate web of implications for businesses while exploring proactive strategies to effectively address this growing threat.

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    Resources

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    Watch the webcast version on-demand on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllTi0Pi7GCkSz6wKxawtx1ax

    For more podcast stories from the Secure Your Strategy Podcast With Chloé Messdaghi, visit: https://www.itspmagazine.com/secure-your-strategy-podcast


    A Conversation With Matheus Riolfi, Co-founder & CEO at Tint | The Founder Pack Podcast With Brendon Rod Aug 14, 2023
    Show notes

    Guest: Matheus Riolfi, Co-Founder and CEO at Tint

    On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/mriolfi/

    Host: Brendon Rod

    On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/brendon-rod

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    This Episode’s Sponsors

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    Episode Introduction

    “...To me, the secret for remote work to work successfully, is understanding and embracing that they are different…”

    Matheus is the Co-founder and CEO of Tint.

    Before this, he was the Director of International Expansion at Turo and launched the company in Canada, the UK, and Germany. He pioneered the operations, including designing risk management in different stages of the company and sourcing insurance in various countries.

    He is a licensed insurance broker in all 50 US states, holds an MBA from Harvard Business school and a dual degree in business from the University of São Paulo and Kedge Business School.

    Discover how to scale your startup or organization in a remote environment.

    Topics we covered:

    1. Retreat planning

    2. Engaged management styles

    3. Managing autonomous, decentralized teams

    4. The art of delegation

    5. Building a remote culture

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    Resources

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    To see and hear more The Founder Pack Podcast content on ITSPmagazine, visit:
    https://www.itspmagazine.com/the-founder-pack-podcast

    To watch The Founder Pack Podcast Video series, visit:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllQFcKt05rK-FF216DhbHLqM

    Join The FOUNDER Pack community
    Community: www.thefounderpack.com
    Newsletter sign-up: https://brendonrod.substack.com/

    We’re stronger together. Keep connected with The Founder Pack podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher and Google Podcast.


    Where is Everybody? Our Interstellar Future | A Conversation with Professor Avi Loeb | Stories From Space Podcast With Matthew S Williams Aug 12, 2023
    Show notes

    Guest | Avi Loeb, Professor at Harvard University [@Harvard]

    On Twitter | https://twitter.com/Galileo_Project

    Host | Matthew S Williams

    On ITSPmagazine 👉 https://itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/matthew-s-williams

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    This Episode’s Sponsors

    Are you interested in sponsoring an ITSPmagazine Channel?
    👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/sponsor-the-itspmagazine-podcast-network

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    Episode Description

    This week I sat down with Harvard Professor Avi Loeb, founder of the Galileo Project and a leading authority on the investigation of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)

    He is also the author of the best-selling book, "Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth," and the upcoming "Interstellar: The Search for Extraterrestrial Life and our Future in the Stars."

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    Resources

    The Galileo Project - Harvard University: https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home

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    For more podcast Stories from Space with Matthew S Williams, visit: https://itspmagazine.com/stories-from-space-podcast


    Shall we play a game? How about End of The World 2075, and then we can talk about exploring intelligent models to preserve the future of humanity? Ok! | A Conversation with futurist Trond Arne Undheim | Redefining Society Podcast With Marco Ciappelli Aug 11, 2023
    Show notes

    Guest: Trond Arne Undheim, Founder of Yegii [@Yegii_Insight] and Research Scholar in Global Systemic Risk, Innovation, and Policy at Stanford University [@Stanford].

    On Linkedin | https://www.linkedin.com/in/undheim/

    On Twitter | https://twitter.com/trondau

    Website | https://trondundheim.com/

    On Facebook| https://www.facebook.com/trond.undheim/

    On Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/trondundheim/?hl=en

    On YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI4EpjuQzb58EiawzElwvYQ

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    Host: Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast

    On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/marco-ciappelli
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    This Episode’s Sponsors

    BlackCloak 👉 https://itspm.ag/itspbcweb

    Bugcrowd 👉 https://itspm.ag/itspbgcweb

    Devo 👉 https://itspm.ag/itspdvweb

    _____________________________

    Episode Introduction
    Shall we play a game? How about End of The World 2075, and then we can talk about exploring intelligent models to preserve the future of humanity? Ok! | A Conversation with futurist Trond Arne Undheim | Redefining Society Podcast With Marco Ciappelli
    Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of "Redefining Society" with your host, Marco Ciappelli. The show where we navigate the crossroads of technology, cybersecurity, and humanity, contemplating the philosophical questions that shape our existence in a world marked by continuous transformation.

    Today's episode invites us to embark on a journey where the future is not a distant concept, but an immediate reality. We find ourselves in a Hybrid Analog Digital Society, where the fabric of our lives is woven with the threads of technological advancement and human resilience. The call to stop ignoring or pretending that technology is not affecting us is resonating across our collective conscience.

    Joining us is Futurist Trond Undheim, founder of Yegii, and a Research Scholar at Stanford University. Trond's work delves into the complex interplay of evolving technology, geopolitical economy, and fragile ecosystems. By developing intelligent models and assessing cascading global risks, Trond aims to preserve the future of humanity and our planet.

    Through this candid conversation, we will explore:

    • The emerging technologies that offer opportunities and present imminent risks.
    • The tension between colossal technological ambitions and the necessity for sustainable growth.
    • The ways future industries can empower human workers alongside AI.
    • How regulators and professionals must adeptly navigate digital tools and human networks in a boundless pool of knowledge.

    Here, you will hear not only about predictions and patterns but the way history informs the future, and how Trond and others like him are reading the tea leaves of humankind's past to illuminate potential paths forward.

    So, pour yourself a coffee, settle in, and allow yourself to be challenged and inspired by this conversation that transcends mere observation and dives into action research. We're not just watching what's unfolding; we're exploring ways to shape it.

    If this topic resonates with you, don't keep it to yourself. Share this episode with friends, family, and colleagues, and encourage them to think, discuss, and question. Make sure to subscribe to "Redefining Society" for more enlightening conversations at the intersection of technology, cybersecurity, and society. Let's face it: The future is now, and we must embrace it together.

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    Resources

    Yegii |https://yegii.org/blog/

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    To see and hear more Redefining Society stories on ITSPmagazine, visit:
    https://www.itspmagazine.com/redefining-society-podcast

    Watch the webcast version on-demand on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllTUoWMGGQHlGVZA575VtGr9

    Are you interested in sponsoring an ITSPmagazine Channel?
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    Follow the Money | From Bugs to Bad Intentions: Evolving Perspectives on Product Security | A Conversation with Allison Miller | Las Vegas Black Hat 2023 Event Coverage | Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast With Sean Martin Aug 11, 2023
    Show notes

    Guest: Allison Miller, Faculty at IANS [@IANS_Security] and CISO (Chief Information Security Officer) and VP of Trust at Reddit [@Reddit]

    On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/allisonmiller

    On Twitter | https://twitter.com/selenakyle
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    Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]

    On ITSPmagazine |https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/sean-martin

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    This Episode’s Sponsors

    Island.io | https://itspm.ag/island-io-6b5ffd

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    Episode Notes

    In this episode of the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast, as part of our Chats on the Road series to Black Hat USA 2023 in Las Vegas hosts Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli chat with Allison Miller to discuss the parallels and differences between the fraud and cybersecurity teams, focusing particularly on how each measures success and handles challenges. Sean highlights the fraud team's clear metric of money, starting and ending their processes with it, and contrasts it to the security team's reliance on metrics like MTTx (Mean Time to Detect, Respond, etc.). He's curious about how the fraud team optimizes their processes and wonders if there are lessons that security teams can glean from them.

    Allison appreciates the methodologies of fraud teams, especially their use of sampling to understand the magnitude of problems. She explains how fraud teams utilize backend data, machine learning, AI, and statistics to discern risk factors. Then, they test these models on forward-looking data, a methodology akin to red teaming in cybersecurity. She emphasizes the importance of continuous testing to ensure confidence in their detection capabilities. A point of difference she highlights is that fraud models have a high degree of confidence due to rigorous testing, while in cybersecurity, a lot of trust is placed on tool outputs without similar rigorous testing.

    Marco emphasized the importance of building trust among teams. He stated that without trust, metrics could be misleading, and the overall effectiveness of processes might decline. He urged teams to ensure that they not only trust the data but also their colleagues, suggesting that this trust fosters better communication, understanding, and ultimately, results.

    Sean expresses his wish for the cybersecurity world to be more integrated into applications, like the fraud teams are. Allison notes that fraud teams naturally fit into transaction processes because that's where money moves. For cybersecurity, the most natural integration point would be during authentication, but it's a risky move since blocking legitimate users would significantly impair their experience. Despite the challenges, Allison sees potential in fusion between fraud and security, especially in areas like API abuse. Both teams could benefit immensely from mutual collaboration in such areas.

    Allison concludes that while direct involvement of security teams within applications may be a stretch, collaboration with fraud teams can still provide valuable insights. For example, in the realm of retail and payment, insights into API abuse can be a significant area for cooperative efforts between the two teams.

    Stay tuned for all of our Black Hat USA 2023 coverage: https://www.itspmagazine.com/bhusa

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    Resources

    For more Black Hat USA 2023 Event information, coverage, and podcast and video episodes, visit: https://www.itspmagazine.com/black-hat-usa-2023-cybersecurity-event-coverage-in-las-vegas

    Are you interested in telling your story in connection with our Black Hat coverage? Book a briefing here:
    👉 https://itspm.ag/bhusa23tsp

    Want to connect you brand to our Black Hat coverage and also tell your company story? Explore the sponsorship bundle here:
    👉 https://itspm.ag/bhusa23bndl

    To see and hear more Redefining CyberSecurity content on ITSPmagazine, visit:
    https://www.itspmagazine.com/redefining-cybersecurity-podcast

    Are you interested in sponsoring an ITSPmagazine Channel?
    👉 https://www.itspmagazine.com/podcast-series-sponsorships


    Application Security Posture Management | Beyond the Hamster Wheel: Innovations in App Security | A Brand Story Conversation from Black Hat USA 2023 | A Brinqa Story with Alex Babar Aug 10, 2023
    Show notes

    In this Brand Story podcast episode, as part of our Black Hat USA conference coverage, host Sean Martin connects with Alex Babar. Alex introduces listeners to Brinqa, a platform that centralizes vulnerability and security findings across various domains, such as infrastructure and cloud security, emphasizing the relevance of application security.

    The conversation includes Sean's insights about the challenges of differentiating application systems from the past and the complexities of the modern cloud and API-driven environments. Sean emphasizes the importance of understanding the dynamics of application risk management, bringing up the distinction between security posture and application security posture management (ASPM).

    As the discussion progresses, Alex highlights the increasing visibility of the term 'ASPM' within the security domain. Drawing from his experience at Black Hat, he underscores the saturation of detection tools and the challenge of streamlining vast amounts of data from different sources. Alex notes the prominence of terms like 'application security posture', suggesting a clear industry trend. He elucidates the role of ASPM, which not only centralizes data but also correlates it with business contexts, thereby aiding in risk prioritization.

    The podcast takes a deeper dive as Sean probes the challenges that security professionals might face in integrating this new space into their existing frameworks and programs. Alex offers valuable advice, urging organizations to self-reflect on their risk reduction strategies and to maintain a healthy balance between detecting and fixing vulnerabilities.

    Note: This story contains promotional content. Learn more: https://www.itspmagazine.com/their-infosec-story

    Guest: Alex Babar, VP, Solutions at Brinqa [@brinqa]

    On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbabar/

    On Twitter | https://x.com/alxbbr

    Resources

    Learn more about Brinqa and their offering: https://itspm.ag/brinqa-pmdp

    Hear more stories from Brinqa: www.itspmagazine.com/directory/brinqa

    For more Black Hat USA 2023 coverage: https://itspmagazine.com/black-hat-usa-2023-cybersecurity-event-coverage-in-las-vegas

    Are you interested in telling your story?
    https://www.itspmagazine.com/telling-your-story


    Beyond the Silos: The Evolution of Threat Intelligence | Taking an Intelligence-Driven Approach to Security Operations | A Brand Story Conversation from Black Hat USA 2023 | A Cyware Story with Willy Leichter Aug 10, 2023
    Show notes

    In this Brand Story podcast episode, as part of our Black Hat USA conference coverage, host Sean Martin connects with Willy Leichter as he sheds light on his extensive experience spanning over 24 years in the security realm. With a keen focus on cyclical patterns of security, he underscores the unique position of Cyware, a brand that has worked assiduously to bridge silos across industries. While discussing the broader vision of threat intelligence, he underscores its potential in predicting and mitigating attacks proactively.

    Join Wily and Sean and they dig into the complexities of threat intelligence, highlighting the importance of clear notifications and the stories behind them. Sean recalls his experiences as a product manager building an enterprise SIEM solution, shedding light on the challenges of orchestrating bidirectional data exchanges due to the diversity of data formats. This reflection underscores the need for a more streamlined and scalable approach.

    Willy discusses Cyware's role in addressing these challenges. He explains how Cyware assists teams and systems in understanding and acting upon various threats. The conversation also touches on the role of Artificial Intelligence (AI) in improving integrations and managing threats. A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the potential of bidirectional threat intelligence sharing, emphasizing its advantage over the typical one-way sharing that's more common.

    As the episode progresses, the concept of threat intelligence as a service is introduced. In a digital age where cyber threats are continually evolving, Sean and Willy stress the need for a united front in defense. They advocate for a collaborative approach, emphasizing the benefits of collective defense in an industry where real-time sharing and coordination are paramount.

    Note: This story contains promotional content. Learn more: https://www.itspmagazine.com/their-infosec-story

    Guest: Willy Leichter,VP of Marketing at Cyware [@CywareCo]

    On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/willyleichter/

    Resources

    Learn more about Cyware and their offering: https://itspm.ag/cywaremja9

    For more Black Hat USA 2023 coverage: https://itspmagazine.com/black-hat-usa-2023-cybersecurity-event-coverage-in-las-vegas

    Are you interested in telling your story?
    https://www.itspmagazine.com/telling-your-story


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