Three years in, Fr. Carlos Martins does something the show has never done: he puts his producer and
co-host on the stand. Ryan Bethea came into this work a Protestant with a hard bias against Catholicism
and a phone call he hung up on. He explains what three years in the room with exorcists actually did to
his theology, why the show refuses to answer the Gary question, what a finished hour of this podcast
really costs, and how he would answer a skeptic who thinks the whole thing is theater. He also names
the case that got under his skin, and it is not the one listeners fight about.
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Timestamps
00:00 Cold Open: The Fraud, the Bias, and the Mess
00:59 Fr. Martins Puts Ryan on the Spot
01:17 I Thought You Were a Fraud
03:32 What He Believed Before Any of This
05:15 The Exorcist Stereotype, and the Men He Met
07:57 Sixty Percent Is Sometimes Enough
08:30 Name Three Things You Have Learned
12:06 SPONSOR BREAK: BUBS Naturals, Rocket Money
15:00 What Surprised Him Most About Catholicism
17:44 Statues, Altars, and Stones of Remembrance
18:18 The Convergence Nobody Expected
19:43 Drama or Catechesis: Where the Line Sits
22:41 The Dad Joke Dispensation
24:31 Favorite Case, Best Case, Most Hated Case
28:12 Someone Offered to Pay for the Answer
28:30 SPONSOR BREAK: Miracle Made, Exodus 90
31:44 Why Gary Will Not Be Spoken Of
32:50 The Case That Got Under His Skin
35:19 Clergy Complaints and Parents Using It as a Lesson
36:30 A Playground for Many Men
38:35 Sex as a Delivery Mechanism
39:34 The Biggest Misconception About Evil
41:44 You Are a Bad Judge of What You Would Do
42:36 The Episode That Vanished, and the Detroit Blackout
43:39 Can a Christian Be Possessed?
45:55 What He Would Say to a Skeptic
48:34 Show Me the Video Means Less Every Year
48:57 Is It Really That Crazy?
51:26 Would a Million Dollars a Month Buy an Episode a Day?
54:19 Thirty Hours of Post for One Hour of Show
55:52 The Email That Made It Worth It
59:56 How Three Years Changed His Walk With God
01:01:33 A Beautiful Theological Mess
01:05:26 Sign-Off
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