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Success Story: How This Woman Got Her Dismissive Avoidant Ex Back Using Attachment Theory Mar 15, 2023

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I had the pleasure of interviewing Regina, one of our latest Success Stories for the podcast and learned a ton about the importance of patience. What struck me as particularly interesting about her was that she got her ex back over seven months ago (as of the writing of this excerpt.) Yet, she didn’t really post in the community about her success until her ex actually said the three little words we all long to hear. I love you! Only then did she consider her success story an actual success. It really goes to show the amount of patience we are dealing with in this amazing woman. Enjoy our conversation! What Are Your Chances of Getting Your Ex Boyfriend Back? Take the quiz Podcast Transcript Chris Seiter 00:00All right, today we’re back with a really interesting success story, we are going to be talking to Regina here, who’s going to take us through start to finish her situation, she ended up posting in the community, what, like last week or something. But what’s interesting is she didn’t have like, usually when you see these success stories, they’re like really long write ups, hers was kind of short. But one thing stuck out to me. I believe the breakup was in 2021. And you didn’t really get them back until maybe like a year, a year and a half later. So we’re here to kind of explore the journey that it took that that whole process took you on. But thanks for coming on. And doing this. I really appreciate it. Regina 00:46Yeah, not a problem. I mean, it’s my honor to get to share with you and you know, as thank you for helping me get to, you know, reach my goal and my relationship with my, my partner, my potato is you will? Chris Seiter 01:00Yeah, what was it? You said from spud to stud? Yeah. Regina 01:07I used to just remind myself of that, through this whole process to like, you know, I’m worth something. So I really do need to start, and if he’s not going to be it, then that’s okay. But, you know, here we are. So, Chris Seiter 01:19it just took a while to get them there that Regina 01:23did, that’s okay. And me too. You know, it’s, it’s a journey for both of us together. And in order for it to work, we both have to be on the same page. So I was also a huge journey for me. And I think that for me, it was what, what led me to here. And where I am today is the steps that that you showed, and the little processes that you have throughout the program really helped me view it from a different perspective that I haven’t seen before and even thought about for myself. So it was really valuable. So it really, it really did change my mindset, and then my ability to like proceed not only myself, but relationship from a different standpoint. So it was really great for me. Chris Seiter 02:02Well, thanks so much. Obviously, more of this is the ego stroke that I needed. But why don’t we actually go to the dark days the like, going back a couple of years, you guys break up? Why don’t you take us like from your journey from the get go? Regina 02:17Yeah, so we were actually in a very, like nonchalant kind of relationship for about eight months prior to the breakup. So I mean, we were exclusive, but it was, you know, just more like friends that hung out. And we’re a little bit of intimate, but you know, not so much a deep connection. And, you know, I come from a place where I have a lot of children, and they’re all teenagers. So I was married for a long time over a decade. I’m not, you know, I don’t want all that crazy marriage and things like my idea of a good really done that. Yeah, so like, I just want to focus on my children and being a good mom. And, you know, if I have a partner that’s willing to step in and help here and there, like, just be a part of that, that’s great for me, but you know, I don’t I don’t want that intertwined relationship again. And so when we first David, I would try and like reiterate that to him, because that’s not what he wants, either. So I feel like he was really scared because he started to get deep feelings for me, and then thinking, hey, maybe she’s gonna change her mind. So he broke up with me. Very sad. He, he broke my heart a little bit. And I was completely faded. I mean, I, I was hurting. Chris Seiter 03:34Okay, so what was his reasoning in the breakup talk to actually end the relationship with you. Regina 03:42Um, he told me that I was the perfect woman for him. I was absolutely amazing. And every aspect, you know, I, he’s like, You are absolutely perfect, but you deserve better than me. Because I don’t think I can give you marriage. And I don’t want to give you any more kids and things like that. And I don’t want to live with somebody. And I was just like, but I didn’t like, what, Chris Seiter 04:07I didn’t ask for that. So it’s Regina 04:10awkward. It’s just a part of my language is just like, okay, so I was like, it’s gotta be something else. Like, there’s no way that’s what it is. So, I was like, you know, whatever. You know, it really hurts. But, you know, if it’s meant to be it’ll, it’ll be meant to be, you know, and I just looked at her and I said, you know, what, what happens when you decide that this isn’t what you really want? And he was like, I don’t think I’ll change my mind. And I said, I’m pretty sure you will. But I wish you the best. And I left it at that. And then I cried for about four days, and I didn’t leave my room. It’s really bad. very heartbreaking. Chris Seiter 04:48And at any point during those four days of locking yourself in the room and crying, do you at least start going to YouTube or Google and start scrolling? At what point do you kind of like a I want to explore how to fix this. Regina 05:02I think it was like, it was like the last day and I was just so in my own head and just in my own just sadness. And, you know, I always strive, and I pride myself in the fact where I go by, you know, if you can’t change it yourself, then you can’t really complain about it, like, do something. So I was like, What am I doing just whining and crying, like, I’m gonna do something like, I can fix that, like, there’s something I can take from this. So what am I going to learn? How am I going to fix this? Like, I know him and I are meant to be together, like in my soul, like, there’s just this connection that I just couldn’t ignore, like, I have had my heart broken a million times, and I never really, it never bothered me, but for whatever reason this one did. And so I was like, there’s a reason for that. And I need to figure out what that is. So I was looking on Facebook, I was looking on YouTube, I was reading books, and like, all the things like me, you know, like, he’s just not that into you. And, you know, like the bitches guide to revenge that had some good points, you know, and like, you know, and so I was like, Well, it’s kind of be a me problem. And, you know, and then I stumbled upon a couple of podcasts that had your program in it. And it was, you know, I mean, in your basis is, you know, get the guy back, you don’t get that partner back. And while that’s like a really good goal, and that’s like the motivating cause, I could see in just the way you described your program, and the steps, and the empowerment that you offer people to like, really think about it differently. I’ve really, that’s what really, ultimately drew me to your program. And so I did a little bit more research. And I watched, like, probably every single video, I could find a view on YouTube. Like, Chris Seiter 06:48went back to the old ones, or I’m just like reading off a script and like trying, and I don’t have the fancy microphones and everything. You went back that far. Regina 06:57I like all the way back to like, 2001 when we were still in high school, you know? Like, I just aged myself, but anyway. Yeah, so I found that and then I signed up immediately. And then I just dove right in, I just ran into the materials. I was like, Okay, I gotta figure this out. And then it broke my heart to learn that I had to cut contact off for 45 days. Yeah, so I was like, no contact, I’ve never done that before. Like, I usually just leave it what is it is what it is, and if they like want to hang out or whatever, and be friends, whatever, no big deal. But I just for whatever reason I couldn’t do this, I knew I had to do something different this time. So I painstakingly did the 45 days of no contact. And it was brutal. But I kept a lot to myself, I just found myself again, like you said, you know, you got to go back out there and become the ungettable person that they’re gonna miss. You know, and that’s really empowering when you go from a place of feeling unworthy to taking that feeling and those emotions and then creating self empowerment out of, you know, things you enjoy. And that is such good medicine for your self worth and your being. And people really don’t. Like they really underestimate the power of just self care. You know, even on the basic level, like going for a walk, like, Hey, I’m going for my daily walk with my dog, you know, and that’s the kind of stuff I would post because I love my puppy. She’s cute. Yeah, she is. So those are the things I would do, you know, when I was helping with my, my job at the time, and helping build entrepreneurs up at the at the time. So, you know, I was giving myself to other people while also trying to work on myself and that, in conjunction really helped my own person. So I was able to just become more confident with myself and know that I don’t need somebody to tell me that you know, I love you because you’re here for me or you do this for me like I’m solid on my own and you can either join and appreciate all the great things that I have vowed offer us not only human but as a partner. But also you know, I I’ll be fine without you if you don’t want to. It’s okay. You know, and I think that was the one thing that really made his mind switch. Because after that 30 days and I the 45 I don’t remember exactly how many I did. I think I responded to a text of his or something to get our stuff back. So I had to start over because I was like I wanted to show him my golf swing. It’s great. When I restarted it wasn’t a big deal. You know, and I it’s hard as it was I just completely blocked him out of my mind. I didn’t look at his social media. I didn’t look at his work website because he owns his own business. Like I say it out of his circle. We have a couple of mutual friends. I didn’t, I didn’t intervene. I didn’t ask about him. I just kind of cut them off, you know? And I just wanted him to see, okay, you don’t want me to be a part of your life? Well, this is what that looks like. This is me not being your life. You know, just like you said that you wanted it. Here you are. So after that 45 days, or whatever I was, it was hard for me to come up with like that first reach out hook. That’s what really difficult for a lot of people. Yeah, nice, like a lot in your comments. So that’s a big question like, What do I Chris Seiter 10:43Yeah, it’s still it’s still is, I can’t tell you like every day as I’m going through the community and answering, like, I’ll spend like 30 minutes a day just answering people I’ve been trying this year at least to be better about that interacting, doing more Facebook Lives and stuff. But I’m always like, it’s always a text thing. Like, there’s always one question in there. Like, I don’t know how to do the text. So I’m kind of curious. How did you how did you handle it? Regina 11:09I mulled it over for quite a while. Three days, and there was a lot of questions on the Facebook community about hey, how does this sound? Can I work like this? This is my backdrop. But I know the one thing he’s really, really geeked out about, and that’s board games. And yeah, I come from a really big nerdy family to like board games Chris Seiter 11:33is right up my alley. Yeah. So I was like, Regina 11:37it couldn’t he owns like a million. And we’ve played a million and I’m on a million games. So it’s like I had to be good. So I was like, Okay, well, I knew I had to be up his alley, and that he couldn’t resist. And I you know, it’s kind of like a pickup line, almost, but a personal pickup line, because you know them essentially. So that was kind of my angle. I was like, I have to give them a bite. He can’t resist. So Chris Seiter 12:01So what was the board game that he chose? I didn’t choose Regina 12:05one. I put it in his hand. So it’s made it even better. Chris Seiter 12:09So what was the exact text? You remember? Regina 12:11I asked him, I said, Hey, I could use some help from the resident expert. I was like, I’m in a pickle, I need I need I need an expert. I was like, it’s my turn to pick a fun game for our group game night over at my friend’s house. We do game night, once a week. So which he knew. And it’s Chris Seiter 12:30kind of an ungettable activity that you can kind of really weave in, Regina 12:34like, I’m going to do me things. Yeah, I could Chris Seiter 12:37help me out with it a bit. Regina 12:43So I was like, you know, I need a fun game. That’s good for this group. And you know, we’ve played all the other fun games, so I gotta bring a new one. What what is what do you recommend? And then he just opened up the floodgates he gave me like, 30 games. And then he was like, Well, what kind of people are they? He was asking me a million questions, like, Are there new people who’s all gonna be there? And I was very, very close. Like, I was very short and sweet. And just try to keep it about the game so that he didn’t get any more information because he was kind of trying to peek. Yeah, like, gonna be there now. Chris Seiter 13:19Or is this a day is is that more romantic? Meet up with them? Well Regina 13:23see, I wanted to make sure it was clear that it wasn’t a date. So he threatened because he was very close. Not just like, Chris Seiter 13:34avoidant, when it came to that, like, he would just sort of go inward instead of Yes. Got it. Yeah, Regina 13:39definitely avoid it. So like, I knew I couldn’t do like jealousy posts and things like that, because he’s very sensitive that way, and that would have hurt his heart. So I didn’t do any of that. I just kind of I kept it at just, you know, I’m gonna be the best version of me and you’re gonna see what my life is like without you in it. And so I did. Chris Seiter 13:59Well, you kind of gave him a glimpse into game night and he’s missing his favorite activity which board game so it kind of works out. Regina 14:06So you know, and the reading about the like, your emotional. Like if you’re dismissive, dismissive, avoidant, and like, yeah, the Chris Seiter 14:16attachment styles, the anxious avoidant, fearful secure. Regina 14:22Yeah, that was really helpful information, not only for myself, but when I thought about potato as his own person and what his journey has been up to this point to where we’re together. So if I can understand a little bit about where those wounds come from, it was a lot easier for me to be a better partner for him. Yeah, and just like, kind of just I kind of just showed him very nonchalantly, like, I am a good partner for you. I care enough about you to want to like make it be safe, and like let you open up in an organic way. You know, well, yeah, Chris Seiter 15:01it’s sort of like you’re learning to speak his language. Like, if you come at it from me even a secure standpoint, sometimes secure. Most people are not aware of the attachment style stuff. So when you kind of explain it to them, it’s like, Oh, that makes sense. But you have to kind of learn with fearful avoidance, like when you need to nurture the anxious side, versus when you need to pull back with dismissive avoidance, you just kind of need to accept, gotta pull back, give him some space, it’s sort of like speaking their language. And they, they really appreciate that. And that kind of gets them to come out of their shell. So it seems like you just kind of figured that. Regina 15:35It was very difficult, but I wa…

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Success Story: She Let Go After Her Breakup And Then Every Single Ex Came Back Mar 08, 2023

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A few days ago our community received this post, And I just knew I had to interview her. What followed was one of the best conversations I’ve ever had with an ex recovery member. We talked about all sorts of things ranging from, Thida’s Story The transition from anxious to secure The importance of social media game Advice on what really works to not just get one ex back (but all exes) Trinity work Motivation on how to stick with the program The importance of having a battle buddy Enjoy! What Are Your Chances of Getting Your Ex Boyfriend Back? Take the quiz Chris Seiter 00:03All right, today we have an interview that is one of the more unique ones that I think we’ve ever had on this is Thida. And not only did I believe the the group posts that you posted in the community was like, I didn’t just get my ex back. I’ve had every ex come back since I’ve started going through this. So her and I are just gonna have an organic conversation. But thanks for coming on and doing this Thida. Thida 00:29Thank you for having me. Like I told you earlier, I completely manifested this. I literally, when I was writing that little post on Facebook, I said, the moment I write this, I’m gonna hear from Chris and I’m gonna be sitting with him having an interview. Right? Yeah. Chris Seiter 00:44And that’s pretty much exactly what happened. Yeah. Okay, so why don’t you take us back to the dark days, one year ago? Exactly. Around this time, I think. Just take us, take us through the journey. Thida 00:59Okay. So my husband, I, we were together for seven years. We broke up in June of 2011. I’m sorry, not 2011 2021. Chris Seiter 01:08We are back 10 years Thida 01:122021. I found your videos, I started binge watching everything. It seemed like nothing worked for me to get I wasn’t utilizing any of your, you know, the programs. And it wasn’t until April of 2022 is when I actually signed up for the program. And I had, I was on a trip overseas. And I literally read the whole book like three times, within a two week period that I was overseas, and I like found your podcast downloaded and listened to everything like probably two or three times within those two weeks of me traveling overseas to Europe. So it was like I wanted to like immerse myself in the program. I joined the Facebook group with mashed up with a battle buddy, her name is Bianca. I were like the closest friends now we talk like all the time, so it’s amazing. It’s awesome support. Nothing seemed to work out. And I would you know, when they say don’t do like the, you know, during no contact, like don’t respond and all that I completely broke no contact, I wasn’t. It wasn’t me reaching out, it was him reaching out. And then me being like, Oh, I’m getting some type of attention. So I should at least respond back. And I literally broke no contact, no contact probably five or six times, like, you know, within like a few weeks in or whatever. And it wasn’t until it was August of 2022 is when I said I’ve had enough and Oh, during this time too. I did everything like they said not to not to do like stalking, paying attention to what he’s doing. Just focusing on him. Like, I don’t know what was going on with me at the time, I was just focused on him. And it wasn’t until like I said, August was when I don’t know something snapped in me and I was just like, Okay, I need to change. This isn’t working for me anymore. So I’m just gonna leave him be go completely, you know, no contact forever. It was for me. And I literally he messaged me again and I literally told him to eff off. And I was like, you’re out of my life eff off. And I just focused on myself. And then that’s was last year and it’s been like six months. And my my life has like take taken like leaps and bounds. Like quantum leaps. I’ve, you know, my career took off people that were meant to be in my life. I feel like people who were like they just matched with you on on a you know, on that level. I came into my life things that were like, you know, synchronistic happen. So, yeah, that’s basically what Chris Seiter 03:45happened. So I feel very well, no, no, no, you wouldn’t Thida 03:50give up. It wasn’t until I gave up that he came right back into my life. So Chris Seiter 03:54why don’t you talk about that, like that the decision that you made to basically be like, Screw this, I’m not doing this anymore. Like I’m doing. I’m doing me instead of yeah, maybe, maybe I should find a different way of phrasing it. No, you’re Thida 04:07fine. You’re fine. So like I said, I broke no contact, like five or six times and five or six times and one of my favorite things I always say is in order to change the dance, you have to change the song. And I felt like I was just repeating the same song over and over to where nothing was happening. And I felt like alright, this is too crazy. I just need to let them go. So like I said, I told him eff off and I completely dropped off the face of the earth to him. i He never heard a peep from me. But my social media was still active, I was posting where I was going what I was doing, like I said my career like took off. And and during this time he never from what I thought he was not paying attention. And but somehow he was so somehow he was finding this or somebody was telling him and with after like maybe 60 days of complete silence he messaged me and and basically said like everything a girl in my opinion Listen would have wanted to hear was like I love you. I you know, I regret everything I want to get back together and want to, I want to work this out literally everything or girl could wish in that situation. And I just said no. Chris Seiter 05:13So had you guys this is your ex husband? Correct? Okay, so had you guys had sort of an on and off again type relationship. So it was just like you you’re divorced. You’re kind of like, I want to try to find a way to fix this after the divorce. And it’s interesting, did you? Did you ever take one of those attachment style tests online to figure out like what your attachment style was and try to figure out what his attachment style was Thida 05:40secured. He’s anxious. Chris Seiter 05:42Okay, well, that’s interesting. So he’s anxious. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Thida 05:47the process I kind of flipped from secure to anxious, if that makes any sense, because I was secure before and then it became anxious during the breakup? Well, Chris Seiter 05:55obviously, yeah, I think that’s a big thing that most people misunderstand about attachment styles is like, your life circumstances have a huge impact on it. So you can be completely secure. But if you’re in a relationship with someone who’s like an anxious person or an avoidant person, or you go through a very stressful time in life, you’re paying your secure side. Time. kind of anxious. Yeah, it seems like that’s what happened to you. Yeah. We don’t get many anxious exes. So what about him? made you think or realize, oh, he has an anxious attachment style? Maybe marriage? Yeah. Thida 06:32always anxious. He was always like, making sure I was okay, making sure that I was happy. Just he had very anxious tendencies, like little things would make him very anxious. So including me, he was always wondering, like how I was doing in the relationship if I was happy, or whatever, you know. Chris Seiter 06:48Okay. So this is another interesting question, I’d like to ask you. So you go through this mindset shift, you know, maybe three or four months after you get into the group or the community, you’ve been paired with battle, buddy, everything seems to kind of be like not working for you. And you change the song to use your own words. When you did that, what was his reaction? Was it just radio silence for however long it took before he reached out and told you everything he wanted? You wanted to hear? Thida 07:15It was radio silence from him? Yeah. First for that. 60 days. Chris Seiter 07:20And those 60 days, were you checking his social media. You just sit Thida 07:26there going? Yeah, by then it was 35 or six times it failed, you know, no contact. And I was just like, I give up. And it was like the moment my energy shifted, and I like went off the grid of that relationship. That was when he came like he’s now back like a rubber band. Chris Seiter 07:44Yeah, it’s kind of amazing. I often talk about that a lot on the YouTube channel, which is like, hey, it’s almost you have to like kind of fail and just throw your hands up in the air before, like, all of a sudden, something different happens. Thida 07:56something to be said about that. What do you think Chris Seiter 07:59it is, I’m curious to get your take because it happened to you. Thida 08:03I feel like he felt it energetically the same with like, I like I said, in my post, I, literally every guy from my past within the past four or five months, like even people that I’ve went on, like maybe one date with who don’t even have my number anymore, I don’t even live in the same side of the country. All of a sudden, they found me on social media. And I’m not even saying like, Oh, there’s a handful. I’m talking to like, 2030 people that I haven’t heard from all within a short span of that time. So I felt like there was like, shockwaves that went out into the world. And here they are. Chris Seiter 08:35Do you think that was more of an energy based thing? Or do you think it was more of you posting a little bit more frequently on social media and then take paying attention and sensing the energy? Thida 08:46I think, while I was my posts have been the same amount. But I feel like it’s energetically because I haven’t changed. Like how many times I was posting or anything like that. It was I the only thing I can attribute it to is energy they sensed it. Chris Seiter 09:02Yeah, I mean, you must have been doing something different in the posts, maybe. I don’t know, I’ve always Thida 09:09my career took off. Like, you know, I started getting like really big media contracts. I was posting that. So it went from like literally as cuz I do a little bit of modeling on the side. And so I Chris Seiter 09:19was just couldn’t tell. So I was doing a little bit of you know, Thida 09:23and then I got these really big magazine contracts that like wanted to work with me so I was posting stuff like that. I was making trips around the world like showing different areas of the world that I was going to I was literally just having the time of my life. Chris Seiter 09:37Okay, so I guess the content of the post is the most important thing like I guess it’s more intriguing and in your doing more high value things I guess for for men. And so obviously your ex husband was the first one to kind of like, start crawl back to you a little bit Thida 09:57but I was a guy too and I broke up with him and he was actually also watching my stuff somehow incognito as well. So Chris Seiter 10:06okay, so after you would break up with your dad, let’s talk about this boyfriend that you broke up with I only obvious for Thida 10:13for two months he had abandonment issues and I guess to him it was either it was easier to just dump me first than to have me abandoned him later on. I don’t know. Chris Seiter 10:23That’s kind of an avoidant. Definitely an avoidance tactic, I guess. Thida 10:28But you think it was free to getting hurt? So, you so Chris Seiter 10:31you’re saying you all you really had to do to get these guys back was just like, kill it in life? And that just by association Thida 10:39100 100%. Chris Seiter 10:41That’s amazing. You know, that’s, that’s, that almost seems so simple. So what like, what, what, what did you do to start killing it at life? Because obviously, I mean, if we back up to the breakup, you quite clearly made a ton of mistakes, broke no contact, we’re stalking him on social media and things like that. Was it a gradual process to get to the, you know, like, Alright, I’m done attitude. And I’m just gonna focus on me like, What are some of your tips for someone listening to this that’s going to be struggling with that aspect of it? Thida 11:12For me, I did struggle between April and August, I did, I did struggle. But something snapped. By the time I had failed. No, no contact, like the fifth time that I was just like, I need to, I need to give up because this is crazy. And I felt like I was stuck in a cycle that I couldn’t get out of. So it was when I decided to choose me first. That was the first thing was that there was something energy energetically about me that I needed to focus on myself. Because I couldn’t be giving my energy away to him. It wasn’t benefiting meeting me in any way. It wasn’t making any personal growth. So the moment I decided to pull myself out of there, focus on 100%. Like, I literally did not even think of him I, I I started. People things I did, I started calling them shiny objects. So I needed like different shiny objects to like, fill up my time, so I wouldn’t think of it. And eventually, I think it didn’t get easy until around like 40 or 45 days to where I completely forgot about him at all. So you know, the first one to like 45 days, you know, I would think about him intermittently. Chris Seiter 12:23And it took like, what you said like six months? 60 days? 60? I knew. Yeah. For him to come back, I guess. Okay, that’s interesting. And obviously, you said no. So how did that conversation go? Thida 12:41He literally just said, you know, like, like I said, everything that a girl would want to hear in that situation. I love you. I want to get back to you. I made all these mistakes. I’m willing to do anything. And I just lit I literally said, I don’t want to do it anymore. I can’t do it anymore. I’ve moved on emotionally. Chris Seiter 12:58Okay, so here’s, here’s the big question. You had that conversation with him? After you had the conversation with him? Did he give up? Thida 13:05No, he’s, of course not. He actually is one of the very first people to wish me good morning and one of the last people to wish me good night. And throughout like every single day since then, this is probably back in maybe September. I hear from Him every day. He’s he’s one of the first to watch any of my social media posts to comment on them to ask how I’m doing. He’s literally one of my biggest fans now. So it’s actually yeah, it’s actually pretty funny. Chris Seiter 13:37So your advice to someone who wants that kind of an outcome is weirdly enough? Kill it at life. Give up on trying to get that back? Thida 13:45Yes, absolutely. 100% If I could do it over, or any advice I could give to the ladies and gentlemen. It’s just a complete, no contact, don’t even like bother. Like, it’s not even worth your time you if you want to be stuck. Focus on yourself. And you know, that eventually the universe will give you the ability to choose between what you want and maybe it’s not you choosing them anymore. Chris Seiter 14:12Okay, so basically, your tactic is interesting to me, because you I often talk about this concept of like, you know, a lot of our success stories they’ve let go, and then by the time they let go that’s usually when the X sort of comes back. So I’m always trying to teach people to let go quicker so that they can kind of like speed the process up a little bit. And you seem to have Yeah, and I guess that’s the really difficult part. And you said like, all your exes came back though, every single one Thida 14:45and more wasn’t just my it was every literally everybody I’ve known from my whole entire existence. Chris Seiter 14:51Okay, so this is really interesting because they weren’t coming back before. Thida 14:55No. What do you think that was? I can only attribute to energy Okay, do you think? Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Chris Seiter 15:04Oh, all right. Do you think it had anything to do with the fact that how long were you guys divorced before you try to enter the program? Sir? I’m just asking. So it Thida 15:11was October of 2021 was when at the end of October 2021 was when we divorced. I j…

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