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    Scaling yourself ‘down’ as an engineering leader w/ James Everingham #155 Nov 14, 2023
    Show notes

    James Everingham, co-founder and VP of Engineering @ Lightspark, joins our podcast to share his best tools for scaling yourself down – not up – as an engineering leader. He discusses his latest career move shifting down in scale and how that impacts your risk tolerance as a leader. We also cover some of James’ favorite leadership methods, including the Socratic method, principle-based decision-making, and creating narratives as a product / eng org goal-setting tool, plus how he’s employed those tools effectively throughout his career. We also address navigating the balance between process & anti-process, approaches to product planning & finding PMF, and adapting your communication style to work within a smaller vs. large org.

    ABOUT JAMES EVERINGHAM

    James Everingham (@jevering) is co-founder and VP of Engineering at Lightspark. Lightspark is building core infrastructure on the Lightning Network. Most recently he was Vice President of Engineering for Novi (Meta) and co-creator of Diem. Previously, James was the Head of Engineering at Instagram. James has led many world-class engineering teams throughout his 35-year career as a manager, entrepreneur, and technology developer. At Yahoo, he was Vice President of Engineering for Yahoo media properties after acquiring Luminate, an interactive image technology company he founded. Other previous roles include CTO and founding team member of LiveOps, Senior Director of Engineering at Tellme (acquired by Microsoft), and Senior Director of Engineering at Netscape Communications, where he was responsible for the flagship Netscape browser. Before joining Netscape, James held engineering and management positions at Oracle and Borland International.

    "We had a great story in our head of like if we can simply make money flow or value flow fast and free frictionlessly around the world like a lot of good is going to happen but then that's the ending. That's the happy ending. Like, what are the chapters that we're going to write in between to get there? The first one was, 'Well, we're going to build this new infrastructure. Let's start getting it out there and getting it quickened in an area where it's already accepted.' And that's what we did. You know, that was the first one and we worked backwards from that. They're trying to make the story happen. They're not trying to make a list of tasks happen. And I think that's a really important distinction.”

    - James Everingham

    SHOW NOTES:

    • James’ latest experience scaling down in his career (2:44)
    • Increasing your risk tolerance as an eng leader (5:15)
    • Surprising ways eng leaders operate in a smaller org vs. a larger org (7:16)
    • Optimizing communicating patterns when scaling down as a leader (10:23)
    • Strategies for creating high-impact conversations within teams at a small org (12:12)
    • How to use the Socratic method effectively as an eng leader (14:04)
    • James’ framework for anchoring decision-making principles (17:05)
    • Why focusing on customer problems before business problems is a key principle (19:30)
    • Layering the Socratic method approach & principle-based decision making (21:43)
    • Tips for implementing these approaches early on & scaling them up (24:31)
    • The trap of “process” & knowing when / where to introduce processes (25:41)
    • Navigating the balance between complete process & anti-process (27:59)
    • Deconstructing James’ approach to product planning & goal setting (29:51)
    • How James introduced the product planning narrative @ Lightspark (34:15)
    • Advice for newcomers looking to identify & share a product narrative (36:38)
    • Rapid fire questions (38:31)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • How to Scale Yourself Down — Not Up — as a Leader - An article outlining the narrative goal setting framework that James discusses in the episode.
    • Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don't Know - Adam Grant’s book about the benefit of doubt and how we can get better at embracing the unknown and the joy of being wrong.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

    Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/


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    Navigating complex stakeholders, competing interests & gaining buy-in w/ Pete Peterson #154 Nov 07, 2023
    Show notes

    Pete Peterson, CTO @ Riviera Partners, joins our podcast to discuss strategies for gaining stakeholder buy-in in complex stakeholder environments. He shares his experience working as the CIO for the City of Oakland & how he navigated implementing change across 30+ departments & stakeholders. We cover how to find collaborators who share your vision, why quick wins are important for gaining stakeholder buy-in, balancing competing interests from stakeholders, introducing change to your tech team when there’s resistance, and more. Pete also shares his favorite leadership practices & tips for eng leaders who are presenting to stakeholders.

    ABOUT PETE PETERSON

    Andrew (Pete) Peterson is the Chief Technology Officer of Riviera Partners, a leading executive search firm for engineering, product, and design leadership roles. With over 30 years of experience in cloud/SaaS platform and solution development, Peterson oversees Riviera's technology vision, direction, and development by leading the engineering, product, and data science teams. Prior to Riviera Partners, Pete served as the Chief Information Technology Officer for the City of Oakland and held various leadership roles in technology and operations at Up Communications, Xtiva Financial Systems, and CallidusCloud Software. Pete holds an M.B.A. from the University of San Francisco and a B.S. in Computer Science from Purdue University.

    "You have 30, 40 different fiefdoms. Everyone's doing whatever they want to do to a degree. How do you convince these 30 different directors or whatever that we do have common objectives? We do have some things in common. There are places where we can collaborate. There are places where we can have sort of economies of scale if we pool all of our resources together and we can all benefit from these things.”

    - Pete Peterson

    We’re hosting the first ELC Annual Watch Party on 11/8!

    We’re livestreaming the most popular sessions from the ELC Annual 2023 conference + hosting virtual roundtable discussions to connect you with eng leaders around the globe AND in your city.

    Our first topic covers Generative AI & engineering leadership with Wade Chambers… no this isn’t about the tech - it’s about the leadership skills and competencies you need to evolve and adapt to lead in this next generation!

    We have different events for Europe, East Coast & West Coast! To RSVP, find your location HERE:

    Europe

    West Coast & MidWest

    East Coast

    SHOW NOTES:

    • Pete’s experience as CIO for the City of Oakland (3:19)
    • Lessons learned in this CIO role & how it differed from traditional tech roles (7:08)
    • Navigating a complex stakeholder environment from a technology perspective (9:15)
    • Finding collaborators with a shared sense of vision (10:54)
    • Why a quick win & great results can make later conversations easier (13:10)
    • How past work w/ stakeholders impacted Pete’s current initiatives @ Riviera (15:13)
    • Tips for balancing different / competing interests from stakeholders (21:27)
    • Tapping into stakeholders’ motivations to create a unified front (25:17)
    • How to bring your team along when there’s resistance to change (29:09)
    • Breaking down Pete’s two main leadership practices (34:49)
    • Pete’s favorite tips for eng leaders presenting to various stakeholders (38:13)
    • Rapid fire questions (40:50)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • The Wisdom Of Finance: Discovering Humanity in the World of Risk and Return -Mihir Desai’s lucid exploration of the ideas of finance as seen through the unusual prism of the humanities. Through this novel, creative approach, Desai shows that outsiders can access the underlying ideas easily and insiders can reacquaint themselves with the core humanity of their profession.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

    Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/


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    Self-advocacy & how to coach your team to be better self-advocates w/ Shailvi Wakhlu #153 Oct 31, 2023
    Show notes

    Data leader and author of Self Advocacy: Your Guide to Getting What You Deserve at Work, Shailvi Wakhlu, joins us to discuss practical strategies for becoming a better self-advocate & skills to help you improve negative self-talk and prioritize your happiness. Shailvi also reveals the different types of self-advocacy and how eng leaders can empower/coach their teams to become better self-advocates, plus recommendations for incorporating self-advocacy into key workplace scenarios, including job promotions, negotiating a job offer, and more.

    ABOUT SHAILVI WAKHLU

    Shailvi Wakhlu is a data leader, International Keynote Speaker, and author of Self Advocacy: Your Guide to Getting What You Deserve at Work. She is the former Head of Data & Analytics at Strava and Komodo Health. Her sixteen-year data and engineering career has included companies such as Salesforce, Fitbit, and a software startup she co-founded. Shailvi’s self-advocacy expertise comes from being a practitioner at tech startups and large companies across three continents.

    Annually, Wakhlu speaks at twenty-five or more global conferences and corporate events hosted by Fortune 500 companies on Self-Advocacy and Data. She also teaches online courses on these subjects to a global audience.

    Wakhlu offers individual and group coaching. She has helped hundreds of people grow their self-advocacy skills and reach important career milestones faster. She is also an investor and advisor to several high-growth startups.

    Wakhlu grew up in India and studied Computer Engineering at Illinois Tech in Chicago. She loves to travel and has visited thirty-two countries. She lives in San Francisco with her husband, Govind, and their sixty plants.

    "I believe that advocating for yourself is also advocating for the needs of the people that you care about. So if you consider yourself as part of a team, part of a community, part of a group, and if you know their happiness matters to you, if their comfort matters to you, advocating for them is advocating for yourself because if they're happier, you're happier. So I feel that for leaders who want their teams to be successful, this is something you do for yourself too because you want them to be successful.

    - Shailvi Wakhlu

    We’re hosting the first ELC Annual Watch Party on 11/8!

    We’re livestreaming the most popular sessions from the ELC Annual 2023 conference + hosting virtual roundtable discussions to connect you with eng leaders around the globe AND in your city.

    Our first topic covers Generative AI & engineering leadership with Wade Chambers… no this isn’t about the tech - it’s about the leadership skills and competencies you need to evolve and adapt to lead in this next generation!

    We have different events for Europe, East Coast & West Coast! To RSVP, find your location HERE:

    Europe

    West Coast & MidWest

    East Coast

    SHOW NOTES:

    • How Shailvi became passionate about self-advocacy as a data leader (2:21)
    • The inspiration that ignited Shailvi’s need for a self-advocacy talk (4:36)
    • Advice for reflecting on experiences & sharing your story in a meaningful way (7:25)
    • Defining self-advocacy in an eng leadership context (9:12)
    • Examples of proactive & reactive self-advocacy in the workplace (11:15)
    • Why self-advocacy can be so hard for people (13:52)
    • Strategies for identifying opportunities for self-advocacy (15:42)
    • Frameworks for changing your self-talk / perception of self (18:13)
    • How to encourage eng leaders to proactively share their stories / experiences (21:26)
    • Practices to help embrace opportunities for self-advocacy (23:11)
    • Why eng leaders need to help their teams cultivate self-advocacy skills (27:00)
    • The benefit of recognizing & embracing what you’re most proud of (30:34)
    • What successful self-advocacy within the job promotion conversation (32:37)
    • Self-advocating while negotiating a job offer (36:57)
    • The importance of prioritizing happiness along with self-advocacy (39:35)
    • Rapid fire questions (43:49)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • Self-Advocacy - Shailvi’s book that presents a practical guide that anyone can use to master self-advocacy and equips leaders with tools to train others effectively.
    • More from Shailvi on self-advocacy!
    • The Speaker Author: Sell More Books and Book More Speeches - Lois Creamer and Cathy Fyock have teamed to help you become a Speaker Author and ramp up your impact to build your business. Whether you are a coach, consultant, or other expert who benefits by positioning your intellectual property, you will benefit from this idea-packed book.
    • TickTick - a to-do list app for freelancers or small businesses that want to stay on top of tasks.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

    Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/


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    Using GenAI to address cross-functional collaboration challenges & enhance engineering leadership w/ Clemens Mewald #152 Oct 24, 2023
    Show notes

    Clemens Mewald, Head of Product @ Instabase, joins our podcast to share his insights on how to embrace generative AI tools to enhance engineering leadership, productivity, and problem-solving. We also chat about creative ways to implement GenAI beyond simply chatbots, questions to ask when deciding how to leverage GenAI capabilities, rethinking the productivity aspect of generative AI, and how to use it to address cross-functional collaboration challenges within your org. Additionally, Clemens reveals how he translates his deep technical / research knowledge on generative AI into meaningful business & product outcomes.

    ABOUT CLEMENS MEWALD

    Clemens Mewald is the Head of Product at Instabase. With over 15 years of experience in the industry, Clemens Mewald has built a successful track record as a product and technology leader in the AI and machine learning space. Previously Clemens held leadership positions at Databricks, where he spent more than three years leading the product team for Machine Learning and Data Science. Before Databricks, Clemens served on the Google Brain Team building AI infrastructure for Alphabet, where his product portfolio included TensorFlow and TensorFlow Extended (TFX). Clemens holds an MSc in computer science from UAS Wiener Neustadt, Austria, and an MBA from MIT Sloan.

    "Whenever a new technique or like innovation comes out. It's not the product, right? So like AI is not the product. LLMs are not the product. A lot of people get caught up in the innovation, like the technology if you will, but people don't buy AI. People don't buy LLMs. They buy tools and products that like solve their own problems in the world. So really what you gained is like a new tool in your tool belt to solve your customer's problems, not a new thing that you can sell.”

    - Clemens Mewald

    We’re hosting the first ELC Annual Watch Party on 11/8!

    We’re livestreaming the most popular sessions from the ELC Annual 2023 conference + hosting virtual roundtable discussions to connect you with eng leaders around the globe AND in your city.

    Our first topic covers Generative AI & engineering leadership with Wade Chambers… no this isn’t about the tech - it’s about the leadership skills and competencies you need to evolve and adapt to lead in this next generation!

    We have different events for Europe, East Coast & West Coast! To RSVP, find your location HERE:

    Europe

    West Coast & MidWest

    East Coast

    SHOW NOTES:

    • Why Clemens got involved with Instabase & the GenAI space (2:08)
    • Clemens’ observations on how eng leaders are applying GenAI tools (4:56)
    • Where GenAI tools can fit the needs of an executive leader (7:00)
    • The impact of generative AI on product building (9:04)
    • Creative ways to apply GenAI beyond a chatbot (12:41)
    • Strategies for better framing questions to leverage different GenAI capabilities (17:37)
    • Understanding the unreliable aspects of generative AI tools (20:52)
    • Leveraging these tools to tackle eng leadership-specific challenges (24:25)
    • Rethink the productivity aspect of GenAI tools (25:59)
    • Using GenAI tools to address cross-functional collaboration challenges (28:32)
    • How to align / educate different stakeholders around new generative AI capabilities (32:24)
    • Translating technical research on GenAI into business outcomes or products (35:22)
    • The “identify, verify, amplify” framework (36:46)
    • Clemens’ favorite methods for verifying in a lightweight way (39:35)
    • Rapid fire questions (40:46)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • AI Will Save The World with Marc Andreessen and Martin Casado - In this timely one-on-one conversation with a16z General Partner Martin Casado, Marc discusses how this technology will maximize human potential, why the future of AI should be decided by the free market, and most importantly, why AI won’t destroy the world. In fact, it may save it.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

    Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/


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    Building teams and culture to navigate catastrophe w/ Ken Pickering #151 Oct 17, 2023
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    Navigating catastrophes is never easy for eng leaders, but it’s an essential leadership skill in the startup world. Ken Pickering, SVP of Engineering @ Starburst Data, discusses navigating catastrophe, and uncertainty and building a culture of resiliency within startups & eng teams. We cover how to embrace challenges / failure, and cultivate centralized beliefs within your org. Plus the challenges behind finding PMF for a second product, and how to leverage first-principles to avoid a failed second product.

    ABOUT KEN PICKERING

    Ken Pickering is the SVP of Engineering at Starburst Data, where he is privileged to work alongside some of the best product and engineering humans in the world. Prior to his role here, he held leadership roles at large-scale consumer SaaS and enterprise security companies.

    "Communication and context are some of the things that are most successful in feeding an engineering organization because engineers are generalized problem solvers. We all want to be engaged with the problem and then apply a methodology to that problem. Even in high stakes situations, articulate the problem clearly, give people the timeline, give people the constraints, and let them rip. The people that can do that and perform in different kinds of environments and be flexible and adaptable are really key to driving that kind of culture.”

    - Ken Pickering

    We’re hosting the first ELC Annual Watch Party on 11/8!

    We’re livestreaming the most popular sessions from the ELC Annual 2023 conference + hosting virtual roundtable discussions to connect you with eng leaders around the globe AND in your city.

    Our first topic covers Generative AI & engineering leadership with Wade Chambers… no this isn’t about the tech - it’s about the leadership skills and competencies you need to evolve and adapt to lead in this next generation!

    We have different events for Europe, East Coast & West Coast! To RSVP, find your location HERE:

    Europe

    West Coast & MidWest

    East Coast

    SHOW NOTES:

    • Why the right team / culture can successfully navigate catastrophes (2:30)
    • Ken’s leadership approach to tackling challenges & embracing risk (3:52)
    • How Ken navigated an unexpected catastrophe @ Rue La La (5:58)
    • Practices that can prepare a team for handling obstacles well (8:12)
    • The “Travel Deal Tuesday” story @ Hopper (10:24)
    • Hiring leaders & creating teams built to endure challenges (12:58)
    • How a startup’s centralized beliefs impact leadership styles / decision-making (15:09)
    • Ken’s perspective on cultivating shared beliefs within eng teams (17:01)
    • Tips for preparing people to better endure catastrophe during downtime (19:10)
    • Key takeaways / follow-ups from practice disaster drills (21:14)
    • Strategies for coaching people through their first failure (22:38)
    • Sharing examples of resilient eng leadership (24:44)
    • Balancing the reality of an unknown future vs. the demand to execute now (27:05)
    • Why communication & context are key for navigating uncertainty (30:11)
    • Challenges that come with finding PMF for a second product (33:34)
    • Ken’s examples of enduring through repeated failures / iterations (35:46)
    • Facilitating conversation on first principles while working on a second product (38:09)
    • Rapid fire questions (39:53)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • The Destroyer of Worlds: A Return to Lovecraft Country - In this thrilling adventure, a blend of enthralling historical fiction and fantastical horror, Matt Ruff returns to the world of Lovecraft Country and explores the meaning of death, the hold of the past on the present, and the power of hope in the face of uncertainty.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

    Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/


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    Strategies for creating efficient orgs & getting the most out of your eng team w/ Jamie Tischart #150 Oct 10, 2023
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    Jamie Tischart, CTO @ Bettercloud, discusses how to identify inefficiencies within your eng org & strategies for creating more efficient teams! He shares his experience at Bettercloud as one of several concurrent senior hires & why he discovered that coordination is key when hiring multiple new senior hires at once. We also chat about strategies for identifying / removing barriers that are getting in the way of your eng team’s success, making / communicating meaningful decisions, identifying inefficiencies that come up within cross-functional relationships, and frameworks for turning communication from your org’s greatest area of inefficiency to an asset.

    ABOUT JAMIE TISCHART

    Jamie Tischart serves as the Chief Technology Officer, where he is responsible for the broader technology strategy of the business as well as the day-to-day leadership of development, quality and architecture teams for the BetterCloud product suite.

    Jamie brings nearly three decades of experience leading technology and product teams through periods of rapid growth and product transformation. Most recently, he served as GM and VP, Software Engineering of the Marketing & Growth BU at Twilio where he was responsible for defining the product and technical strategy while focusing on the customer experience and driving highly reliable solutions for Twilio’s customers.

    Previously, Tischart was VP, Technical Operations at SendGrid where he led the company’s Global Data Center and DevOps strategies across the business. Prior to that, he served as CTO of the Security-as-a-Service business at McAfee where he led the creation of Intel Security's future generation Cloud solutions. He has also held leadership roles at a number of other prominent technology companies including Intel. Jamie holds an MBA from Aspen University and B.A from St. Lawrence College.

    "The biggest value for us is to move purposely and slowly and hear what is going on before we make decisions. The second was, what is the biggest problem that we are coming in to solve? Like why were each of us hired? It came down to, and this was difficult for a couple of the department heads was, 'Look, the biggest problem isn't in your area. I'm sorry. Yes. Let's put together a plan of how do we improve and what do we focus on in your group? But quite frankly, the focus is going to be in this area.' That was difficult for people to accept.”

    - Jamie Tischart

    Check out Jellyfish's Scenario Planner to help you accelerate your development!

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    SHOW NOTES:

    • Strategies for creating efficient orgs & getting the most out of your eng team (3:00)
    • How the “refine, remove, reduce” framework plays out in Bettercloud (5:41)
    • Balancing involving the right people & achieving an efficient outcome (8:06)
    • Most beneficial structures for enabling your eng team to be high impact (10:04)
    • Jamie’s framework for self-assessing inefficiencies (12:26)
    • Inviting new hires to share their perspectives right away (15:42)
    • Neuro-leadership principles to help remove barriers for eng teams (18:16)
    • Practices for better assessing what’s getting in the way of eng teams (22:20)
    • Identifying inefficiencies that come up between cross-functional relationships (25:37)
    • Why coordination is key when bringing on new senior eng leaders (27:45)
    • Jamie’s approach to making & communicating meaningful decisions (30:08)
    • Navigating the balance between onboarding & executing defined priorities (33:28)
    • Define your team’s core principles early on together (36:13)
    • Strategy for mapping out your org’s changes (38:08)
    • Practices that changed Jamie as a leader & he still leverages today (40:50)
    • Why communication can be an eng org’s greatest area of inefficiency (43:42)
    • Rapid fire questions (45:57)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • Grit - Angela Duckworth shows anyone striving to succeed—be it parents, students, educators, athletes, or business people—that the secret to outstanding achievement is not talent but a special blend of passion and persistence she calls “grit.”
    • The Speed Of Trust - Collaboration is the foundation of the standard of living we enjoy today. Trust is the glue. This is the first book that teaches the ‘whats’ and the ‘hows’ of trust.
    • Gwendy's Button Box - Stephen King teams up with long-time friend and award-winning author Richard Chizmar for the first time in this original, chilling novella that revisits the mysterious town of Castle Rock.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

    Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/


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    Reduce friction & create better alignment between product & engineering w/ Hubert Palan #149 Oct 05, 2023
    Show notes

    Hubert Palan, Founder & CEO @ Product Board, discusses how to achieve successful collaboration between product and eng teams! He addresses the elements that make up healthy collaboration, common areas of tension between product & eng, and steps for aligning the teams on product vision, tooling, and processes. We also cover strategies for engineering leaders who want to contribute more to their business’s product vision, facilitation frameworks to improve communication between product management & eng teams, and how to best advocate for engineering’s most important considerations.

    ABOUT HUBERT PALAN

    Hubert Palan is Founder and CEO of Productboard. Driven by a passion for building truly excellent products, he started the company when he saw a hole in the market for a dedicated product management platform. Before Productboard, Hubert was VP of Product Management at GoodData and a management consultant at Accenture. Hubert mentors and advises startups and judges teams at entrepreneurship competitions and frequently speaks at his two alma maters – UC Berkeley, where he got his MBA, and the Czech Technical University, where he received an MSc. in Computer Science.

    "When the engineering partner would come to the conversation talking about how other products that are successful have approached that and what choices they made, as opposed to just talking about the technology in the abstract, the business aspect of it, how it helped drive business results for other companies that are in similar markets or adjacent spaces, t hat's something that's super valuable because it shows that you are thinking about the technology, just not for the love of technology, but in the business context and in the appreciation of how the technology decisions drive the business outcomes.”

    - Hubert Palan

    Check out Jellyfish's Scenario Planner to help you accelerate your development!

    With Jellyfish’s Scenario Planner, you can analyze tradeoffs, and optimize resources - to ensure your highest priority initiatives meet your delivery goals and deadlines!

    To learn more about how Scenario Planner can help you better accelerate, predict & plan your software delivery 👉 head to jellyfish.co/elc

    SHOW NOTES:

    • Elements that contribute to successful collaboration between product & eng (2:34)
    • Tools for understanding customer demographics & behavior (4:50)
    • Greatest areas of friction between engineering and product (8:11)
    • How to determine who is driving what initiative (11:03)
    • Tactics for splitting responsibilities between EMs, PMs, tech leads, etc. (13:03)
    • Hubert’s favorite tooling techniques (15:39)
    • Strategies for aligning eng & product management processes (17:51)
    • Frameworks for developing product vision & breaking it down into steps (19:27)
    • Solving friction points between existing & new customers (23:16)
    • How eng leaders can get involved with the product vision side of the business (24:28)
    • Handling conflicting priorities & misalignment between teams (27:42)
    • Tips for successful communication between product & eng (29:16)
    • Advocate for engineering’s most important considerations (31:32)
    • Specific conversations for facilitating communication between eng & PM teams (34:32)
    • Steps to ensure engineers are involved in defining product vision / strategy (37:27)
    • Rapid fire questions (40:55)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity - In this operating manual for longevity, Dr. Peter Attia draws on the latest science to deliver innovative nutritional interventions, techniques for optimizing exercise and sleep, and tools for addressing emotional and mental health.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

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    Operating in a high-stakes, high-scale environment & implementing “secure by design” w/ Bhawna Singh #148 Oct 03, 2023
    Show notes

    In this episode, Bhawna Singh, CTO @ Okta, deconstructs lessons learned from her experience operating in a high-stakes, high-scale environment. She shares strategies for re-architecting your product roadmap, collaborating with customers, first setting up guardrails while scaling, and communicating throughout the prioritization conversation process. We also cover the important principle of “secure by design” & how that process is implemented successfully at Okta. We cover challenges faced & lessons learned from the secure by design application & high-stakes scaling process.

    ABOUT BHAWNA SINGH

    Bhawna Singh is a senior technology executive with 20+ years of experience in successfully transforming products and scaling technology for a global user base. In her career as an executive leader, advisory board member, and investor, Bhawna has worked across multiple high-growth companies to grow & scale platforms from 0 to 100+ million monthly users, led global expansion of products, steered multiple acquisitions and spearheaded innovation to drive user growth and engagement, delivering multi-million dollar revenue growth.

    As CTO at Okta, Bhawna leads tech strategy and vision for its Customer Identity product. Bhawna frequently connects with senior executives of Okta’s global customer base, to build deep trust by delivering highly scalable, stable, and secure products serving billions of logins per month.

    Bhawna sits on the Advisory board of early-stage startups and VC groups. Bhawna’s deep expertise in the area of high-growth, enterprise SaaS, and cybersecurity is frequently published in the press and podcasts.

    Okta's annual in-person and online gathering Oktane kicks off on 10/3! Oktane discusses the latest innovations in authentication and authorization and reveals new products. Online tickets are FREE - check it out here https://www.okta.com/oktane/

    "Plan for 10x and build for 3x, which is, ‘Think big, but build for what is needed.’ As you know, many of the AI companies saw a big, big growth in their space and the space we operate in, we are offering them the logging capability. So we sit at the front door of their business, you can say, which means we have to scale faster than them so that we are never a blocker and this time it wasn't plan for 10x and build for 3x. It was build for 10x right away and with absolute urgency.”

    - Bhawna Singh

    Check out Jellyfish's Scenario Planner to help you accelerate your development!

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    To learn more about how Scenario Planner can help you better accelerate, predict & plan your software delivery 👉 head to jellyfish.co/elc

    SHOW NOTES:

    • Bhawna’s experience shifting to a high-scale focus @ Okta (2:01)
    • What it was like adjusting priorities & rearchitecting (6:08)
    • Strategies for collaborating with customers in shaping a product roadmap (9:30)
    • Challenges faced when making the shift for scale (11:54)
    • Factors that contribute to building trust & respect with peers (13:47)
    • Bhawna’s approach to prioritization conversations with stakeholders (16:06)
    • Ensuring the right guardrails are in place while scaling (20:29)
    • How Okta’s balanced portfolio & engineering radar guardrails works (22:15)
    • Frameworks for first setting up / building a guardrail within an org (24:48)
    • Defining the “secure by design” principle & how it’s applied @ Okta (27:15)
    • Challenges of implementing a secure by design process (30:28)
    • How to gain buy-in / universal adoption of a new process (31:44)
    • The role of security leaders working directly w/ customers (35:18)
    • Rapid fire questions (37:56)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • The 6 Types of Working Genius - New York Times best-selling author Patrick Lencioni unveils a truly groundbreaking new model that will change the way we think about work and teams forever.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

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    Navigating conflict in large-scale orgs w/ competing priorities w/ Ritu Bhargava #147 Sep 19, 2023
    Show notes

    In this episode, Ritu Bhargava, Chief Product Officer, CX/CRM @ SAP, joins us to discuss collaboration, relationship building, and navigating conflicts in large-scale organizations with competing priorities. We cover Ritu’s philosophy regarding building bridges between people, how to gain buy-in toward your priorities, unlocking support from fellow exec leaders, and how to address conflicts & competing interests across a massive org. Ritu also shares her strategies for minimizing ego & generating curiosity as an eng leader, her most valuable prioritization tool & how it works for SAP, and identifying / managing conflicts before they become an issue.

    ABOUT RITU BHARGAVA

    Ritu Bhargava (@ritubhargava) is the Chief Product Officer of SAP Customer Experience (CX). In her role, she heads product, engineering, user experience, strategy, and operations for the entire CX portfolio and recently has been appointed to the Qualtrics Board of Directors.

    Before joining SAP at the end of 2021, Ritu held various technology leadership positions and most recently came from Salesforce as the Senior Vice President of Engineering for Sales Cloud, Salesforce’s flagship product suite. Having started her career as an SAP developer, Ritu went on to work at Oracle for ten years and was responsible for financial applications in various roles. With extensive experience in enterprise applications and the CX space, Ritu brings a strong market focus, both from a business and engineering perspective. Ritu holds a bachelor’s degree in Economics and Psychology from Lady Shri Ram College, Delhi University, and an M.B.A. in Finance and IT from the University of Lincolnshire, U.K. She recently joined the Qualtrics Board of Directors and co-chairs the West Coast Advisory Board for Asian University for Women. AUW is a Bangladesh-based nonprofit dedicated to women’s education and leadership development. She also enjoys supporting cricketing initiatives in America, having played on the U.S.A. Women’s Cricket team.

    "If we were to rely purely on just having to re-org for every business requirement that we need to deliver to or a customer need that we need to execute to, we would endlessly be re-orging and it's just not possible, which means that we have to and we must operate in matrix words, which also then further means that we have to be okay with working with each other in a way that is not just, 'Hey, if I don't report to you or you're not on my team is only when I will make you successful.'

    - Ritu Bhargava

    Check out Jellyfish's Scenario Planner to help you accelerate your development!

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    To learn more about how Scenario Planner can help you better accelerate, predict & plan your software delivery 👉 head to jellyfish.co/elc

    SHOW NOTES:

    • How to maximize time & attention of senior leaders at massive scale (2:13)
    • Tactics for building bridges across a large-scale organization (4:52)
    • Gaining buy-in toward prioritizing dependencies over feature work (7:23)
    • How to unlock greater support / influence from another exec leader (9:01)
    • Frameworks for better communicating intentions & removing misconceptions (12:05)
    • Strategies for approaching progress updates in a massive scope (14:14)
    • Cultivate positive relationships with peers by navigating conflicts (17:08)
    • Acting with compromise & humility while working toward a shared goal (18:55)
    • Questions to ask to minimize ego & generate curiosity around learning (20:46)
    • Examples of navigating conflicting priorities within a large-scale org (21:55)
    • Ritu’s prioritization tool: vision, values, themes, and KPIs (23:41)
    • How to address conflicts between cross-functional partners (26:06)
    • Tips for managing conflicts before they happen (28:38)
    • Why you should identify how much time to invest in a decision (31:35)
    • Rapid fire questions (34:04)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • Mindset: The New Psychology of Success - After decades of research, world-renowned Stanford University psychologist Carol S. Dweck, Ph.D., discovered a simple but groundbreaking idea: the power of mindset. In this brilliant book, she shows how success in school, work, sports, the arts, and almost every area of human endeavor can be dramatically influenced by how we think about our talents and abilities.
    • The Light We Carry - There may be no tidy solutions or pithy answers to life’s big challenges, but Michelle Obama believes that we can all locate and lean on a set of tools to help us better navigate change and remain steady within flux. In The Light We Carry, she opens a frank and honest dialogue with readers, considering the questions many of us wrestle with.

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

    Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/


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    Building your security team & tool stack w/ Laura Bell Main #146 Aug 22, 2023
    Show notes

    This episode features all things security with our guest, Laura Bell Main, CEO & Founder @ SafeStack. She shares valuable strategies for building your security team & tool stack. We cover why security is a human problem based on human motivations, prioritization conversations for assessing risks, considerations for early-stage security teams, how behavior change & decision making impact security, and considerations for companies in the “messy middle” phase. Laura also addresses communicating about security in terms of tech debt, recommendations for incorporating security monitoring tools, how to measure those tools’ ROI, and more.

    ABOUT LAURA BELL MAIN

    With over twenty years of experience in software development and information security, Laura Bell Main (@lady_nerd) specialises in bringing security into organisations of every shape and size.

    She is the co-founder and CEO of SafeStack, an online education platform offering flexible, high-quality, and people-focused secure development training for fast-moving companies, with a focus on building security skills, practices, and culture across the entire engineering team.

    Laura is an experienced conference speaker, trainer, and regular panel member, and has spoken at a range of events such as BlackHat USA, Velocity, and OSCON on the subjects of privacy, covert communications, agile security, and security mindset.

    She is also the co-author of Agile Application Security and Security for Everyone.

    "The most important thing that we forget to tell folks when they're starting out in security is most of our tooling is about being more effective and efficient. It's not about doing something you can't do yourself. Security isn't about a magic box. I wish it was, it would be a lot easier if we could just buy a magic box. Done! Off we go to the beach, but what we have is a really human problem.”

    - Laura Bell Main

    Join us at ELC Annual 2023!

    ELC Annual is our flagship conference for engineering leaders. You’ll learn from experts in engineering and leadership, gain mentorship and support from like-minded professionals, expand your perspectives, build relationships across the tech industry, and leave with practical proven strategies.

    Join us this August 30-31 at the Fort Mason Center in San Francisco

    For tickets, head to https://sfelc.com/annual2023

    SHOW NOTES:

    • What to do about security if you don’t already have a security team (2:28)
    • Security as a “human problem” in the scope of eng orgs (4:58)
    • Why you need to understand human motivations (7:21)
    • Prioritization frameworks & chaos engineering for assessing threats (9:14)
    • Considerations for the early stages of forming a security org (11:47)
    • Understanding security through a behavior change model (14:57)
    • How to operationalize a security mindset within a software team (18:00)
    • Examples of how decisions can flag security risks (20:50)
    • Approaches for tracking & managing security as tech debt (23:20)
    • Addressing security considerations as a “messy” middle-stage company (27:17)
    • High friction aspects of security behavior change for eng orgs (30:51)
    • Tips for knowing if you have the right security tool (34:41)
    • How to evaluate the ROI of tools you’re considering (38:06)
    • Methods for incorporating security monitoring into your current tool stack (39:32)
    • Rapid fire questions (42:45)

    LINKS AND RESOURCES

    • The Body Keeps The Score - The inspiring story of how a group of therapists and scientists— together with their courageous and memorable patients—has struggled to integrate recent advances in brain science, attachment research, and body awareness into treatments that can free trauma survivors from the tyranny of the past.
    • Open source checklist for high-growth CTOs

    This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the help of our incredible production team:

    Patrick Gallagher - Producer & Co-Host

    Jerry Li - Co-Host

    Noah Olberding - Associate Producer, Audio & Video Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/noah-olberding/

    Dan Overheim - Audio Engineer, Dan’s also an avid 3D printer - https://www.bnd3d.com/

    Ellie Coggins Angus - Copywriter, Check out her other work at https://elliecoggins.com/about/


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