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    The Disney Dish with Jim Hill

    The Disney Dish Podcast with Jim Hill and Len Testa
    Dive into the fascinating world of Disney with theme park historian Jim Hill and Len Testa as they uncover the stories behind the magic. From breaking news and in-depth analyses to quirky historical tidbits and behind-the-scenes secrets, The Disney Dish offers a unique blend of humor, expertise, and insider knowledge.
    Whether you’re a die-hard Disney fan, a theme park aficionado, or just curious about the history and future of Disney parks and resorts, this podcast has something for everyone.
    What to Expect:

    Breaking Disney News: Stay up to date on the latest happenings at Walt Disney World, Disneyland, and Disney’s global parks.

    Historical Deep Dives: Learn how classic attractions were created, the stories behind Disney’s biggest decisions, and the Imagineering ingenuity that brought it all to life.

    Listener Q&A: Get answers to your burning questions about the parks, attractions, and Disney culture.

    Exclusive Insights: Gain access to insider details and stories you won’t find anywhere else.

    Fun & Humor: Enjoy the wit and camaraderie of two Disney enthusiasts who know how to make even the most technical details entertaining.

    With decades of combined experience and an unmatched passion for all things Disney, Jim and Len guide you through the parks, the stories, and the magic in a way only they can.
    Your journey to the happiest podcast on earth starts here. Subscribe today!

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    Latest Episodes:
    Episode 42: Pirates: The Movie-Ride-Movie-Ride-Movie (June 2013) Jun 03, 2013
    Show notes

    Did you know Disney was producing a pirate-themed film before Pirates of the Caribbean opened as an attraction in 1967? Jim walks through that 1968 release, a Peter Ustinov-as-Blackbeard film that began the first cycle of stealing from movies to build attractions, which were then stolen from to make more movies. Lots of great Johnny Depp stories, too.creditsreleased June 3, 2013

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    Episode 41: Limited Time Magic (April 2013) Apr 23, 2013
    Show notes

    An update on the status of Disney's Next Gen project, including MagicBands, Fastpass+ and My Disney Experience.creditsreleased April 23, 2013

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    Episode 40: Tokyo Disneyland's 30th Birthday (April 2013) Apr 01, 2013
    Show notes

    Join Jim and Len as they discuss the history, development and evolution of Tokyo Disneyland and Disney Seas. Initially rebuffed in the 1960's by the Disney Company in its efforts to build a Disney theme park, the Oriental Land Company found itself in much better position in the late 1970's, when Disney needed cash to finish Epcot. Hear how those negotiations went and how the rides were designed, plus a lot more.creditsreleased July 25, 2016
    Audio: Len Testa with Jim Hill
    Edited by: Len Testalicense

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    Episode 39: Test Track 2.0 (Mar. 2013) Mar 18, 2013
    Show notes

    Join Jim and Len as they walk through the newly-refurbished Test Track pavilion and ride. We also discuss rumors about the future of the Imagination pavilion.creditsreleased March 18, 2013
    Audio: Len Testa with Jim Hill
    Edited by: Len Testa

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    Episode 38: Epcot's Innoventions (Mar. 2013) Mar 18, 2013
    Show notes

    Grab a soda (Jim and Len did!) and listen to us talk about Epcot's new fitness- and diet-themed Habit Heroes exhibit at Innoventions. Jim also talks about the new IBM Think! exhibit and gives some background on the history of Future World.creditsreleased March 18, 2013

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    Episode 37: New Fantasyland's Past, Present and Future (Mar. 2013) Mar 11, 2013
    Show notes

    Jim tells how New Fantasyland came to be, from Walt's idea for a Seven Dwarfs coaster back in the 40's, to the first, estrogen-heavy plans for New Fantasyland in 2010. Think the Swiss Family Treehouse will be a good place for Pixie Hollow? Hear Len vow to fling himself from the branches.creditsreleased July 25, 2016
    Audio: Len Testa with Jim Hill
    Edited by: Len Testa

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    Episode 36: Take the Wildest Ride in the Wilderness with Jim Hill. Disney's Big Thunder Mountain Railroad (Mar. 2013) Mar 04, 2013
    Show notes

    Jim tells the story of how Disney's idea for a Western River Expedition complex ended up as Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.creditsreleased July 25, 2016
    Audio: Len Testa with Jim Hill
    Edited by: Len Testa

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    Disney’s Hall of Presidents: Walt Disney, Abraham Lincoln, and the Attraction’s History (Ep. 35) Feb 26, 2013
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa explore the history of Disney’s Hall of Presidents, from Walt Disney’s fascination with Abraham Lincoln to the attraction’s 1971 debut at Walt Disney World. They trace the show’s roots through Disneyland’s unrealized Liberty Street, the 1964 New York World’s Fair, and the development of Disney Audio-Animatronics. The conversation also covers malfunctioning Lincoln figures, presidential updates, abandoned replacement concepts, and the challenge of keeping a patriotic attraction relevant as technology and audiences change.

    Original Air Date: February 19, 2013
    Original Title: Walt Dressed Up Like Lincoln? Please Say It Was Abe, Not Mary: The Hall of Presidents with Jim Hill (Feb. 2013)

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • How Walt Disney’s childhood fascination with Abraham Lincoln inspired decades of attraction development
    • The unrealized Liberty Street and colonial America concepts originally planned for Disneyland
    • Why Disney experimented with a Confucius Audio-Animatronic before building Abraham Lincoln
    • How Robert Moses helped bring Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln to the 1964 New York World’s Fair
    • The electrical problems, mechanical mishaps, and flying furniture behind Disney’s early Lincoln figure
    • Why Roy O. Disney pushed forward with Hall of Presidents after Walt Disney’s death
    • How Disney updated the attraction for new presidents, including Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama
    • The abandoned plan to replace Hall of Presidents with a Bruce Willis-narrated flight through American history

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill - X/Twitter: @JimHillMedia | Instagram: @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa - Bluesky: @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram: @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • YouTube: @jimhillmedia
    • TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    If you would like to sponsor a show on the Jim Hill Media Podcast Network, reach out today. https://www.jimhillmedia.com/sponsor/

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    Disney, Jim Henson, and the History of the Muppets Acquisition (Ep. 34) Jan 22, 2013
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa explore the long, complicated history between Disney, Jim Henson, and the Muppets. From Michael Eisner’s early interest in Henson’s characters to the ambitious Muppet-themed attractions once planned for Disney-MGM Studios, the episode traces a partnership that nearly transformed an entire section of the park. They also examine how Jim Henson’s death changed the negotiations, why the original Disney deal collapsed, and how the Muppets eventually became part of the Walt Disney Company. Along the way, Jim reveals unbuilt attractions, abandoned restaurant concepts, and the corporate decisions that shaped the future of Kermit, Miss Piggy, and MuppetVision 3D.

    Original Air Date: January 22, 2013
    Original Title: We Trusted Each Other! We Ate Granola! The History of the Muppets and Disney (Jan. 2013)

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • How Michael Eisner’s fascination with Jim Henson and the Muppets began before he joined Disney
    • The early television projects that led to The Muppet Show and the rise of Kermit the Frog
    • Why Jim Henson admired Walt Disney and wanted Disney to become the Muppets’ creative home
    • Disney’s original plans for a major Muppet-themed area at Disney-MGM Studios
    • The unbuilt Great Gonzo restaurant, Swedish Chef cooking school, and Muppet movie ride
    • How Jim Henson’s death dramatically changed Disney’s negotiations with the Henson family
    • Why the original Disney and Henson deal collapsed despite years of planning and development
    • How Disney finally acquired the Muppets in 2004 and struggled to relaunch the franchise

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill - X/Twitter: @JimHillMedia | Instagram: @JimHillMedia | jimhillmedia.com
    • Len Testa - Bluesky: @lentesta.bsky.social | Instagram: @len.testa | touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews
    • YouTube: @jimhillmedia
    • TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    PRODUCTION CREDITS

    Remastered by: Len Testa

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    Disneyland Tomorrowland History: Space Mountain, Star Tours and Lost Attractions (Ep. 33) Jan 07, 2013
    Show notes

    Jim Hill and Len Testa explore the complicated history of Disneyland’s Tomorrowland, a land that has always struggled to keep pace with the future. They trace its evolution from opening-day exhibits such as Rocket to the Moon, the House of the Future, and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea through the ambitious 1967 redesign, Space Mountain, Star Tours, and Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage. Jim also reveals abandoned plans for a massive Star Tours terminal, Discoveryland-inspired renovations, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, and a possible Iron Man attraction. Recorded live at Disneyland, this episode examines what Tomorrowland was, what it failed to become, and how Disney might reinvent it again.

    Original Air Date: January 7, 2013
    Original Title: Disneyland's We'll-Build-It-Tomorrow-Land. Recorded Live at Disneyland (Jan. 2013)

    HIGHLIGHTS

    • Why Disneyland’s Tomorrowland earned a reputation as the land Disney would finish building tomorrow.

    • How Tomorrowland nearly failed to open with the rest of Disneyland because Disney lacked sufficient money, attractions, and finished concepts.

    • The land’s original depiction of the distant future of 1986, the year Halley’s Comet was expected to return.

    • How empty Tomorrowland buildings were filled with corporate exhibits such as Crane’s Bathroom of Tomorrow.

    • Why Disney installed a 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea walkthrough beside exhibits promoting futuristic plumbing fixtures.

    • The landscaping solution that turned ordinary weeds into labeled botanical displays when Disney lacked money for plants.

    • The unreliable Phantom Boats and the abandoned Florida-style airboat attraction that proved too loud for Disneyland.

    • Why early Tomorrowland relied heavily on films and walkthroughs that could be produced faster than complex ride systems.

    • The development of Circarama and Disney’s early experiments with panoramic motion-picture presentations.

    • How Walt repeatedly returned to Tomorrowland with new concepts because he knew the opening-day land had fallen short.

    • The earliest Space Mountain concepts, including multiple tracks that would have carried ride vehicles outside the show building.

    • How Disneyland’s Rocket to the Moon simulated acceleration with vibrating floors and moving theater seats.

    • The unusually popular Rocket to the Moon seat that reportedly produced a stronger vibration than the others.

    • The House of the Future and Disney’s realization that walkthrough attractions created capacity and crowd-flow problems.

    • Why guests waiting outside a walkthrough became frustrated when those inside moved at their own pace.

    • How General Dynamics helped finance Disneyland’s original Submarine Voyage.

    • Walt Disney’s decision to make Tomorrowland feel futuristic by filling it with constant movement.

    • The kinetic combination of the PeopleMover, Monorail, Submarine Voyage, Autopia, and other transportation systems.

    • How Adventures Thru Inner Space used scientific subject matter and the Sherman Brothers’ “Miracles from Molecules” song.

    • Why Disneyland brought Carousel of Progress west after its successful run at the 1964 New York World’s Fair.

    • The unsuccessful negotiations that prevented Disney from transferring the complete Ford Magic Skyway attraction to Disneyland.

    • How the Primeval World dinosaurs became the surviving Disneyland component of Ford’s World’s Fair attraction.

    • Walt’s final involvement with Tomorrowland’s major 1967 transformation shortly before his death.

    • Why Disneyland received relatively little attention after Walt died while company resources shifted toward Walt Disney World.

    • The creation of the Main Street Electrical Parade as Disneyland searched for a new nighttime attraction in the early 1970s.

    • How the first Electrical Parade test reportedly lost battery power before all the floats completed the route.

    • Why Tomorrowland’s 1967 vision of the future began looking dated only a few years after it opened.

    • The construction of Disneyland’s Space Mountain and the decision to place much of the structure below ground.

    • How Space Mountain gave Tomorrowland a major attraction while reducing the building’s visual impact on Disneyland.

    • Why America Sings was installed in Tomorrowland despite its Bicentennial theme having little connection to the future.

    • Disney’s difficulty developing futuristic attractions while its science-fiction films struggled at the box office.

    • The proposed Black Hole and TRON attractions that disappeared after their respective films failed to meet expectations.

    • Ron Miller’s early conversations with George Lucas about creating a Star Wars attraction for Disneyland.

    • George Lucas’ childhood visits to Disneyland and his long-standing affection for the park.

    • The proposed Star Wars roller coaster that would have allowed guests to choose between the Jedi and the dark side.

    • Mark Eades’ discovery of flight-simulator technology and its potential for a Star Wars attraction.

    • Why Star Tours had to present the action as though guests were looking through the windshield of a moving vehicle.

    • The design challenge of telling a complete Star Wars adventure without relying on traditional cinematic close-ups.

    • How Disney raised the roof of the attraction building and used cranes to install the original simulator cabins.

    • The enormous popularity of Star Tours and the lines that initially stretched through Tomorrowland toward Main Street.

    • Disney’s unrealized plan to close the successful original Star Tours and replace it with a much larger terminal complex.

    • The proposed T-shaped Star Tours terminal with separate flights to Hoth, Dagobah, and Tatooine.

    • The airport-style baggage systems, departure concourses, food court, and Audio-Animatronic alien bands planned for the terminal.

    • How the former Carousel of Progress building would have been demolished to make room for the Star Tours expansion.

    • Why Star Tours remained too popular for Disney to close it long enough to construct the proposed terminal.

    • The Discoveryland-inspired Tomorrowland redesign and its combination of bronze, blue, salmon, brown, and mustard colors.

    • How the ceiling of Tomorrowland Terrace preserved a color test for an unrealized renovation.

    • Why the visual style later associated with Treasure Planet resembled elements considered for Tomorrowland.

    • Disneyland’s Autopia as a childhood rite of passage that Disney remained reluctant to remove.

    • The proposed Cars-themed Autopia overlay considered before Disney California Adventure built Cars Land.

    • How Finding Nemo characters transformed the original Submarine Voyage into a modern franchise attraction.

    • The specialized glass-infused paint developed to retain brighter colors beneath the submarine lagoon’s water.

    • Disney’s proposed Atlantis submarine attraction and its mechanical sea-monster encounters.

    • The promotional signs Imagineering installed for the Atlantis project before Disneyland management ordered them removed.

    • How Pixar’s acquisition and John Lasseter’s involvement helped make Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage possible.

    • Why the submarine attraction’s enormous opening crowds eventually declined among Disneyland’s repeat visitors.

    • Disney’s challenge of creating repeatable experiences for a regional audience that visits the park frequently.

    • The proposed Stark Expo and Iron Man attraction considered for the Innoventions building.

    • Why Disney needed Robert Downey Jr.’s participation to make a convincing Tony Stark attraction.

    • How negotiations over Downey’s Marvel contract complicated development of the proposed Disneyland experience.

    • The abandoned PeopleMover track and the continuing debate over what to remove or preserve in Tomorrowland.

    • Why Space Mountain, Autopia, and Star Tours remained among the land’s most secure attractions.

    • How the 1998 Tomorrowland redesign, Astro Orbitor placement, and entrance rockwork created new crowd-flow problems.

    • The enduring challenge of building a Tomorrowland that can remain futuristic for more than a few years.

    HOSTS

    • Jim Hill - X/Twitter and Instagram: @JimHillMedia - jimhillmedia.com

    • Len Testa - Bluesky: @lentesta.bsky.social - Instagram: @len.testa - touringplans.com

    FOLLOW

    • Facebook: @JimHillMediaNews

    • YouTube: @jimhillmedia

    • TikTok: @jimhillmedia

    SUPPORT

    Support the show and access bonus episodes and additional content at https://www.patreon.com/jimhillmedia.

    PRODUCTION CREDITS

    Edited by: Len Testa

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