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    The Defiant

    The internet of money is being built with blockchain technology and without banks. We call it DeFi, short for Decentralized Finance, and this is where you can hear the builders and users of this cutting edge world tell their stories first hand. Hosted by Camila Russo.

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    Latest Episodes:
    “The Biggest, Clearest Bet of All is Ethereum:" Raoul Pal Jul 19, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode I interview Raoul Pal, who retired from the hedge fund world at 36 years old and has run financial media company Real Vision for the seven years since. He predicted the housing bubble, he was early to call the devastating effect the pandemic would have on the economy, and now he gives us his thoughts on what he sees is coming up in the next few months. Raoul believes the second half of 2021 will be worse than expected, but that the decline will be short-lived thanks to even more stimulus to be added to the global economy. This will cause risk assets to continue their climb, including crypto. And for that he’s well-positioned: he says 100% of his liquid net worth is in cryptocurrencies but if he had to own just one asset over the next 12 months, that would be ETH.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "It's Almost Like EIP-1559 Fixes an Economic Bug in Ethereum; More Usage Can Now Capture More Value:" Tim Beiko Jul 12, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode we speak with Tim Beiko, who organizes the Ethereum core developers calls and knows all the intricacies and latest development of the world’s most active blockchain. We spoke right after Beiko had proposed a date for the implementation of one of the biggest changes expected to happen to the Ethereum blockchain in recent history EIP 1559. If you’re not 100% clear on what this means, fear not, because Tim explains in non-dev terms exactly how this change will reduce volatility in Ethereum gas prices and also reduce the uncertainty of whether user transactions are approved or not. Importantly, it also means that part of ETH paid per transaction will be burned. That means that if demand for ETH and use of the Ethereum blockchain are greater than ETH issued, it should put pressure on the ether price to increase.


    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "V3 is Winding Back a Bit of the Uniswap Revolution; It's Going to be Very Influential:" Dan Robinson Jul 02, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode we speak with Dan Robinson, a research partner at Paradigm, one of the most active VC funds in DeFi and crypto. One of the fund’s investments is Unsiwap, where Dan also had a central role in the design of v3, the latest version of DeFi’s most popular decentralized exchange. Dan talks about why Uniswap was so exciting as an investment, and about what drove the change to v3. He believes the new design will impact DeFi and crytpo, while rolling back the very revolution Uniswap itself prompted by creating a more hybrid model.

    ** Because of connectivity issues, the sound cuts off at times – huge apologies for that. We're providing a public transcript to make up for it.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "There Will be Billion-Dollar Communities on the Internet:” Jess Sloss Jun 25, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode we speak with Jess Sloss, the instigator of Seed Club, a DAO that builds and invests in community tokens. We talk about the emergence of the social token economy, and how that’s different from the creator economy or the gig economy; the difference is that social tokens and DAOs allow individuals to create wealth rather than create revenue. They’re tools for creators, and importantly, also for creator’ fans, to build something that’s similar to equity in a company, instead of having a salary. Another concept that describes this, Jess says, is the ownership economy. This is the idea that creators and fans can have actual ownership of their communities and platforms. Jess says we’re about to see billion-dollar communities on the internet.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "VCs Typically Treat Community as an Afterthought; That's Wrong:" Soona Amhaz Jun 18, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, I speak with Soona Amhaz of Volt Capital. Soona saw the value of crypto from very close when her family lost most of their savings after Lebanon’s currency crashed. She immediately told them to move their money to Bitcoin to protect themselves against further currency devaluation and currency controls.

    She was working on a startup as an engineer while trying to learn about bitcoin and onboard others into the space, and she realized there was very little information about crypto. So she decided to start the newsletter called Token Daily. The newsletter went from being a network of information to a network of people thanks to live events. That’s how she got to meet great teams building interesting projects in crypto and see their progress before anyone else did. When she saw big funds come in and invest in the projects she also knew had potential, she realized she had an edge and decided to start her own fund, Volt Capital.


    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "Having Legal Tender in a Currency You Cannot Control Means You Cannot Print Problems Away:" Mariano Conti Jun 11, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode I speak with Mariano Conti, the former head of smart contracts at MakerDAO. Mariano knows the value of having permissionless and uncensorable currencies first hand —he started earning in Bitcoin in 2014 in Argentina because pesos would instantly lose value and it was hard to get dollars. When he learned about Ethereum he went all in and started working at Makerdao before DeFi was even a thing in 2016. When Dai was created, he was one of the first to take out a collateralized loan against his ETH and used that loan to buy a car. It must have been the first DeFi loan used to buy an actual physical thing.

    The crypto space has come a long way since with an entire financial system built out of money legos and this week with a huge milestone of El Salvador becoming the first country to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender. Mariano talks about this historical moment and why it’s significant that it was a Latin American country to take this step.


    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "Everyone Can be Rich in Crypto; There are no Divine Rights:" Terry Crews Jun 04, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, I speak with Terry Crews, a legit star. He was a professional football player, has starred in multiple Hollywood films and currently leads in TV shows including America’s Got Talent. He is also a cryptocurrency enthusiast, minting his own social token called POWER. Terry has a very powerful story on how he got into crypto. It was at a design show in Milan. He wanted to support his friend at the show, but wasn’t able to withdraw money from his own American Express account. He realized a financial system that’s based on trusting a long line of intermediaries is broken. He thought, even when he did everything right, and he was already wealthy and famous, he still got the door shut in his face —so what’s left for the rest? All of that cemented his view that the financial system should be permissionless, transparent and global.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "The Bull Market is Intact for the Next 10 to 20 Years; We are in a Secular Shift:" Arca's Jeff Dorman May 28, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, I interview Jeff Dorman, chief investment officer at Arca, an investment management firm focusing on digital assets. Jeff has been valuing assets for the past 20 years, from investment-grade bonds, to high-yield debt and equities, and now he’s doing the same for crypto. We talk about the recent selloff and he thinks the big crash is over but that doesn’t mean we’ve seen the market bottom. Still, Jeff says this is a buying opportunity and he gives insights into which sectors will outperform and underperform. He believes we’re heading to a 10 to 20-year secular bull market in crypto, where there will be a decoupling of sectors and where DeFi continues to grow.


    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Kyber, whose Dynamic Market Maker, or DMM, is designed to react to market conditions to optimize fees, maximize returns
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "Blockchains are Adding Property Rights to the Internet:" Kayvon Tehranian May 21, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode I interview Kayvon Tehranian, founder & CEO of Foundation, a platform for minting, buying and selling non-fungible tokens. We talked about the future of the internet —Kayvon believes blockchains are adding property rights to the internet. He also thinks that instead of having to wait for old institutions to come online, new ones in the form of decentralized autonomous organizations, or DAOS, will be built. He foresees a future when a lot of people will start saying, ‘why aren't you asking me to connect my wallet? Why do I have to log in this other way, that I don't have control over what I'm doing?’ I also believe that future is not so far away.


    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Kyber, whose Dynamic Market Maker, or DMM, is designed to react to market conditions to optimize fees, maximize returns
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "Ethereum is About Six Months Away from Proof-of-Stake:" Preston Van Loon May 14, 2021
    Show notes

    In today’s episode, we interview Preston Van Loon. Preston co-founded Prysmatic Labs, one of the main teams building Ethereum 2.0, and has been leading that team for the past three years. On top of that, he recently founded a DeFi project which bundles the entire crypto market cap in one token to allow anyone to easily buy something like a crypto index. Preston talks about the latest in ETH2 —he says Etheruem’s big migration into its proof-of-stake chain is about six months away, give or take two months. He says Ethereum may be at a disadvantage relative to other Layer 1s, which are launching with more scalable technologies. But he also believes it will be hard for other chains to build the community Ethereum has, faster than Ethereum will upgrade.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Kyber, whose Dynamic Market Maker, or DMM, is designed to react to market conditions to optimize fees, maximize returns
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

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