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    The Defiant

    The internet of money is being built with blockchain technology and without banks. We call it DeFi, short for Decentralized Finance, and this is where you can hear the builders and users of this cutting edge world tell their stories first hand. Hosted by Camila Russo.

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    Latest Episodes:
    "I Realized We Could Scale Play-to-Earn to Impact Thousands, Hopefully Millions of Lives:" YGG's Gabby Dizon Aug 30, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, I speak with Gabby Dizon, co-founder of Yield Guild Games, or YGG. Long before Gabby was into crypto he was into gaming, and that’s how he started playing Axie Infinity, a blockchain-based game where players earn cryptocurrency just for playing. Gabby eventually became a well-known figure in the Axie community, spreading the word especially in his home country, the Philippines, as he saw that crypto earned for playing was making a real difference in people’s lives.

    Thanking our sponsors:

    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools here!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets
    • The DeFi Pulse Index, by Index Coop - DPI is the easiest way to capture the upside of DeFi with the benefit of diversification. Buy DPI today on your favorite DEX.He started doing so well, collecting Axies, which are NFT tokens linked to digital, mystical animals, that he started renting out his NFTs. He realized this could lead to an entirely new business model, and that’s how Yield Guild Games was born.

    "There's Been a Zero-to-One Switch for Institutions and Crypto:" Pantera's Dan Morehead Aug 23, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, we speak with Dan Morehead, the founder of one of the longest-standing and largest crypto funds. Dan founded Pantera Capital in 2003 as a global macro hedge fund. In 2013, Pantera began investing in Bitcoin and quickly shifted its entire focus into crypto. Today, Pantera manages $3.8 billion in digital assets and equity in blockchain companies. Dan said Pantera is planning on increasing the Bitcoin exposure on its liquid tokens fund from zero to somewhere in the teens, while its main bet will remain DeFi. Dan is most excited about what he views is a shift in institutions’ interest in crypto. Firms which had told him they would never come close to holding crypto, are now wanting to dip their toes. And in a still small market, that has the potential to make big waves.

    Thanking our sponsors:

    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets
    • The DeFi Pulse Index, by Index Coop - DPI is the easiest way to capture the upside of DeFi with the benefit of diversification. Buy DPI today on your favorite DEX.

    "There is No Political Voice to the Millions of Crypto Users in the US:" Ryan Selkis Aug 16, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode we speak with Ryan Selkis, CEO and founder of Messari, one of the most popular crypto data and research companies. Recently, Ryan has been very vocal about crypto regulation in the US. We talk about how he believes the infrastructure bill was a catalyzing event for the whole American crypto ecosystem. He believes while there are think tanks and corporate-led lobbying groups, the space is missing a grassroots entity that gives a voice to the millions of crypto users in the US that so energetically came to life against this bill. That’s why he’s creating a group to help mobilize voters in the crypto community to support pro-crypto candidates.

    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets
    • The DeFi Pulse Index, by Index Coop - DPI is the easiest way to capture the upside of DeFi with the benefit of diversification. Buy DPI today on your favorite DEX.

    "We're Not Really at an Inflection Point Yet:" OpenSea's Nate Chastain Aug 09, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode we interview Nate Chastain, head of product at OpenSea. Opensea got its start back in 2017 when CryptoKitties launched on Ethereum. After those digital cats, the NFT space was pretty dead for the next couple of years. Now OpenSea is reaping the rewards of hanging through that NFT winter, as NFT summer explodes with punks, apes, penguins and more cats. Nate was openSea’s first product hire and now he’s making sure that what started out as a platform for essentially CryptoKitties and a couple of other projects, can deal with millions of digital assets. He talks about the scaling challenges OpenSea is facing and what’s next on the roadmap after raising $100M dollars in a round led by a16z. The daily records in volume and users, are proving the founders right in thinking maybe it’s not finance that will take crypto to mainstream, but something that looks like a cute game.


    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets
    • The DeFi Pulse Index, by Index Coop - DPI is the easiest way to capture the upside of DeFi with the benefit of diversification. Buy DPI today on your favorite DEX.

    "We Get to Tell Future Pixar Animators They Can Quit Their Jobs and Come Build With NFTs:" Stoner Cats Team Aug 02, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, I speak with some of the creators and investors behind Stoner Cats, the NFT-infused adult cartoon show about a group of cats who become sentient from their owner’s marihuana. And there are famous humans behind these cats, Ethereum creator Vitalik Buterin is one, and Jane Fonda is another. Ashton Kutcher’s VC fund is also involved. With all these big names, there was huge anticipation around this NFT sale -- so much, that the demand made Ethereum gas prices spike, so that many purchases didn’t go through and over $700,000 were lost in failed transactions. Ashton Kutcher said after this interview that the team is going to personally gift ETH to cover all failed transaction fees. Producer Lisa Sterbakov, investors Maaria Bajwa, Morgan Beller, and NFT creator Jonathan Howard, talk about the motivation behind Stoner Cats, how NFTs is changing the game for creators, what the chaotic launch was like for them, how they got Vitalik to join the show, and more behind the scenes scoops.

    Many thanks to our sponsors:

    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets
    • The DeFi Pulse Index, by Index Coop - DPI is the easiest way to capture the upside of DeFi with the benefit of diversification. Buy DPI today on your favorite DEX.

    "I'm Not an Enemy of DeFi; I Want People to Know About Anything That Goes Against DeFi as a Tool for Financial Liberty:" Chris Blec Jul 26, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode, I interview Chris Blec, a researcher advocating for transparency in DeFi. He was first drawn to cryptocurrencies through Bitcoin. He decided to go into crypto full time, first consulting with a token project in the ICO days, and later, in late 2019, by creating a YouTube channel where he aimed to educate users on how DeFi projects work under the hood. Here is where he came across what has become his focus since; the actual centralization behind supposedly decentralized protocols.All these questions and what appears to be constant criticism inspired some in the DeFi community to try to raise $50M for him to quit crypto. Meanwhile, Cointelegraph wrote a feature piece calling him maybe the most annoying man in DeFi. Chris seems unphased. To him, he’s just doing his part so that we don’t waste this opportunity to make a new, better financial system.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    “The Biggest, Clearest Bet of All is Ethereum:" Raoul Pal Jul 19, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode I interview Raoul Pal, who retired from the hedge fund world at 36 years old and has run financial media company Real Vision for the seven years since. He predicted the housing bubble, he was early to call the devastating effect the pandemic would have on the economy, and now he gives us his thoughts on what he sees is coming up in the next few months. Raoul believes the second half of 2021 will be worse than expected, but that the decline will be short-lived thanks to even more stimulus to be added to the global economy. This will cause risk assets to continue their climb, including crypto. And for that he’s well-positioned: he says 100% of his liquid net worth is in cryptocurrencies but if he had to own just one asset over the next 12 months, that would be ETH.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "It's Almost Like EIP-1559 Fixes an Economic Bug in Ethereum; More Usage Can Now Capture More Value:" Tim Beiko Jul 12, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode we speak with Tim Beiko, who organizes the Ethereum core developers calls and knows all the intricacies and latest development of the world’s most active blockchain. We spoke right after Beiko had proposed a date for the implementation of one of the biggest changes expected to happen to the Ethereum blockchain in recent history EIP 1559. If you’re not 100% clear on what this means, fear not, because Tim explains in non-dev terms exactly how this change will reduce volatility in Ethereum gas prices and also reduce the uncertainty of whether user transactions are approved or not. Importantly, it also means that part of ETH paid per transaction will be burned. That means that if demand for ETH and use of the Ethereum blockchain are greater than ETH issued, it should put pressure on the ether price to increase.


    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "V3 is Winding Back a Bit of the Uniswap Revolution; It's Going to be Very Influential:" Dan Robinson Jul 02, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode we speak with Dan Robinson, a research partner at Paradigm, one of the most active VC funds in DeFi and crypto. One of the fund’s investments is Unsiwap, where Dan also had a central role in the design of v3, the latest version of DeFi’s most popular decentralized exchange. Dan talks about why Uniswap was so exciting as an investment, and about what drove the change to v3. He believes the new design will impact DeFi and crytpo, while rolling back the very revolution Uniswap itself prompted by creating a more hybrid model.

    ** Because of connectivity issues, the sound cuts off at times – huge apologies for that. We're providing a public transcript to make up for it.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

    "There Will be Billion-Dollar Communities on the Internet:” Jess Sloss Jun 25, 2021
    Show notes

    In this week’s episode we speak with Jess Sloss, the instigator of Seed Club, a DAO that builds and invests in community tokens. We talk about the emergence of the social token economy, and how that’s different from the creator economy or the gig economy; the difference is that social tokens and DAOs allow individuals to create wealth rather than create revenue. They’re tools for creators, and importantly, also for creator’ fans, to build something that’s similar to equity in a company, instead of having a salary. Another concept that describes this, Jess says, is the ownership economy. This is the idea that creators and fans can have actual ownership of their communities and platforms. Jess says we’re about to see billion-dollar communities on the internet.

    Big thanks to our sponsors:

    • Colony, which makes it easy for people all over the world to build organizations together, online.
    • Balancer, one of the leading DeFi automated market makers (AMM) for multiple tokens. Dive into their pools at https://balancer.finance/!
    • Enzyme provides an easy way to build, scale and monetize DeFi investment strategies
    • Kraken, consistently rated the best and most secure cryptocurrency exchange, which can get you from fiat to DeFi
    • Aave, an open source and non-custodial liquidity protocol where users can earn interest on deposits and borrow assets

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