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#9: A different kind of artificial companionship - Dor Skuler Feb 18, 2025

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I sat down with Dor Skuler, the founder and CEO of Intuition Robotics, to talk about the advent of digital companionship.

Episode Links:

Intuition robotics: https://www.intuitionrobotics.com/
The loneliness epidemic: https://www.gse.harvard.edu/ideas/usable-knowledge/24/10/what-causing-our-epidemic-loneliness-and-how-can-we-fix-it
Social determinants of health: https://www.cdc.gov/public-health-gateway/php/about/social-determinants-of-health.html
Fine-tuning AI models: https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/fine-tuning
Cybersecurity and AI: https://www.gartner.com/en/cybersecurity/topics/cybersecurity-and-ai
Character AI and anthropomorphization: https://www.thedeepview.co/p/character-ai-sued-for-mental-health-decline-in-teenage-users-allegedly-encouraged-user-to-murder-his

Outline:

0:00 — Intro

3:05 — Why Dor started Intuition Robotics

7:22 — The importance of a targeted demographic
11:00 — Solving for loneliness

15:30 — How ElliQ works, technically

28:35 — ElliQ and data privacy

35:11 — The ethics of artificial companionship

40:22 — Humanity and AI companionship

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Artificial intelligence is a complicated topic, bound by a number of complex threads — technical science, ethics, safety, regulation, neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, investment and — above all — humanity. On The Deep View: Conversations, Ian Krietzberg, host and Editor-in-Chief at The Deep View, breaks it all down, cutting through the hype to make clear what's important and why you should care.

#8: The ethics of artificial intelligence - Irina Raicu Feb 11, 2025

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We sat down with Irina Raicu, the director of the Internet Ethics Program at the Markkula Center for Applied Ethics at Santa Clara University. And today, we’re breaking down the ethics of artificial intelligence, those moral, philosophical challenges that are already resulting from the deployment of generative AI technologies.

Episode Links:

AI is using social media data: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/23/tech/social-media-ai-data-opt-out/index.html
Musical.ly’s FTC fine: https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-technology-business-data-privacy-parenting-eafed6bfd7d241549e097e38e8088873
X trains AI on your tweets: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/x-is-using-your-tweets-to-train-its-ai-heres-how-to-disable-that/
ChatGPT’s impact on the labor market: https://www.thedeepview.co/p/chatgpt-s-impact-on-the-labor-market-openai-generative-ai-artificial-intelligence-job-loss-report-st
Human creativity persists in the era of generative AI: https://www.thestreet.com/technology/human-creativity-persists-era-of-generative-artificial-intelligence
Character AI: https://www.thedeepview.co/p/i-downloaded-character-ai-it-s-profoundly-disturbing
The AI mirror: https://ssir.org/books/reviews/entry/the-ai-mirror-shannon-vallor
Digital necromancy: https://www.thedeepview.co/p/elevenlabs-latest-release-highlights-the-issue-of-digital-necromancy
Hello Barbie: https://www.scu.edu/ethics/internet-ethics-blog/speaking-ill-of-the-discontinued/
Dickens on Big Data: https://www.vox.com/2014/5/1/11626330/for-these-times-dickens-on-big-data
The public health crisis of AI: https://www.thedeepview.co/p/the-public-health-crisis-of-artificial-intelligence
AI and sustainability: https://www.thestreet.com/technology/heres-what-ai-for-sustainability-actually-looks-like-ibm-machine-learning-executives

Outline:

0:00 – Intro
1:52 – Irina’s journey into ethics
4:42 – The link between social media and AI
9:57 – Why should people care about data privacy
15:27 – The impact of automation on society
20:00 – What happens to the generation who grows up with AI?
26:24 – What AI might mean for loneliness?
32:06 – Grief and digital immortality
39:06 – The issue of anthropomorphization
44:19 – The lifecycle of data
47:34 – We track everything, all the time
53:47 – Is AI anti-human?
59:03 – Skepticism in AI
1:00 – Tech solutionism & its impacts
1:12 – Regulation and twisted incentives

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#7: Here's everything you need to know about Quantum Computing - Jerry Chow Feb 04, 2025

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We sat down with Dr. Jerry Chow, an IBM fellow and the Director of IBM’s Quantum Infrastructure. And today, we’re breaking down what quantum computing is, why it’s important, how it fits into the growing realm of artificial intelligence and what about quantum is real (and what’s just plain hype).

Episode Links:

IBM’s Quantum Roadmap: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ibm_research_zurich/53347055153/
Quantum-centric supercomputing: https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/quantum-centric-supercomputing
IBM launches advanced quantum computers: https://newsroom.ibm.com/2024-11-13-ibm-launches-its-most-advanced-quantum-computers,-fueling-new-scientific-value-and-progress-towards-quantum-advantage
IBM’s quantum in use: https://www.ibm.com/quantum/case-studies/modeling-realistic-chemistry
Responsible quantum: https://www.ibm.com/quantum/blog/responsible-quantum
AI’s sustainability problems: https://www.thestreet.com/technology/heres-what-ai-for-sustainability-actually-looks-like-ibm-machine-learning-executives
The ethics of AI: https://www.thestreet.com/technology/the-ethics-of-artificial-intelligence-responsible-ai
How a quantum computer could break encryption: https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/05/30/65724/how-a-quantum-computer-could-break-2048-bit-rsa-encryption-in-8-hours/
Google’s breakthrough: https://blog.google/technology/research/google-willow-quantum-chip/

Outline:

0:00 – Intro

1:00 – Jerry’s personal journey into quantum

2:37 – What exactly is quantum computing?

10:44 – How do you measure efficacy in quantum computers?

13:30 – Problems that are good for quantum

16:30 – Quantum and AI

20:00 – The energy intensity of quantum

23:40 – The ethics of more powerful computation

25:30 – Quantum could break encryptions

27:46 – Quantum’s inherent limitations

30:23 – All the hype

36:40 – Google’s breakthrough and ‘parallel’ universes

40:00 – What you need to understand

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#6: The Coming Revolution of Man and Machine - Nada Sanders Jan 14, 2025

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We sat down with Dr. Nada Sanders, an expert in forecasting and human-technology interaction and the author of The Humachine, a book that explores a coming future of AI-enabled connection between men and machine. And today, we’re breaking down the pandemic-fueled rise of AI, and the many levers that will impact our ever-more digital future.

Episode Links:

The Humachine – https://nadasanders.com/books/the-humachine/
How the pandemic impacted global supply chains – https://www.ey.com/en_us/insights/supply-chain/how-covid-19-impacted-supply-chains-and-what-comes-next
Kasparov’s law – https://courtofthegrandchildren.com/kasparovs-law/
Corporate AI adoption – https://www.thedeepview.co/p/business-spending-on-ai-jumps-500-to-13-8-billion-on-200-billion-in-capex
AI-related job loss – https://www.thedeepview.co/p/chatgpt-s-impact-on-the-labor-market-openai-generative-ai-artificial-intelligence-job-loss-report-st
Microsoft and IBM AI reskilling – https://newsroom.ibm.com/2024-04-04-Leading-Companies-Launch-Consortium-to-Address-AIs-Impact-on-the-Technology-Workforce
AI hallucinations – https://www.thedeepview.co/p/the-nobel-prize-and-the-mainstreaming-of-ai-s-x-risk
Neil Theise on complexity – https://www.columbia.edu/cu/tract/projects/complexity-theory.html
Rise of AI regulation – https://www.thedeepview.co/p/progress-predictions-2025-oversight-governance-and-regulation
Gary Marcus interview – https://youtu.be/-oTxLnmubVk

Outline:

0:00 – Intro
4:00 – The global pandemic and the rise of AI
13:16 – AI and skill atrophy
20:00 – People crave connection
27:20 – AI and mounting job loss
41:48 – Automating the future
52:43 – The human will to live
1:00:37 – Hallucination
1:05:49 – The regulatory landscape
1:15:52 – Staying positive

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#5: Identity Hijacking: The fight against AI fraud - Vijay Balasubramaniyan Jan 07, 2025

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We sat down with Vijay Balasubramaniyan, the co-founder and CEO of cybersecurity firm Pindrop. And today, we’re breaking down audio deepfakes and deepfake detection; what levers are in place to indicate whether a piece of audio is real or synthetic, and how those levers technically work.

Episode Links:

Pindrop – https://www.pindrop.com/
The rise of deepfake fraud – https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriswestfall/2024/11/29/ai-deepfakes-of-elon-musk-on-the-rise-causing-billions-in-fraud-losses/
Biden robocall – https://www.thestreet.com/technology/how-the-company-that-traced-fake-biden-robocall-identifies-a-synthetic-voice
The deepfake threat – https://www.thestreet.com/technology/ai-cybersecurity-nonprofit-civai-deepfake-fraud-identity-theft-hijacking
How LLMs work – https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/07/a-jargon-free-explanation-of-how-ai-large-language-models-work/
Closed vs. open AI – https://www.americanactionforum.org/insight/open-source-ai-the-debate-that-could-redefine-ai-innovation/
Deepfake voice cloning – https://consumer.ftc.gov/consumer-alerts/2024/04/fighting-back-against-harmful-voice-cloning

Outline:
0:00 – Intro
4:27 – The origins of audio deepfakes
8:25 – The origins of Pindrop
12:45 – The cybersecurity risk of a remote-first world
28:33 – Open vs closed source
31:20 – How Pindrop’s audio deepfake detection works
37:18 – Staying ahead of the threat curve
40:59 – Scaling improvements
43:24 – Building responsibility into the architecture
47:18 – The importance of AI regulation
52:22 – What can people do to protect themselves in this age of AI deepfakes?

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#4: The truth behind self-driving cars - Missy Cummings Dec 17, 2024

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We sat down with Dr. Missy Cummings, who served as one of the U.S. Navy’s first female fighter pilots and now works as the director of George Mason University’s Autonomy and Robotics Center. Cummings, an engineer, has been studying autonomous systems for years – today, we break down the autonomy challenge in self-driving cars: how they work, their enormous limitations and a path to a feasible self-driving future.

Episode Links:

Lidar breaks down in the rain: https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/24/10/2997?utm_source=www.thedeepview.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=openai-launches-o1-unveils-200-subscription-tier
George Mason’s Autonomy and Robotics Center: https://marc.gmu.edu/
Waymo’s self-driving statistics: https://www.thedeepview.co/p/the-complicated-statistics-behind-safe-self-driving-cars
Waymo’s steady expansion: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/12/next-stop-miami/
All the investigations into Tesla’s systems: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/09/tesla-accused-of-fraudulent-misrepresentation-of-autopilot-in-crash-.html
A breakdown of why AI confabulates: https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/basics/addressing-ai-hallucinations-and-bias/

Outline:
1:39 – From airplanes to AVs
3:57 – What makes self-driving cars tick
9:00 – The risk of edge cases
12:49 – The hallucination problem
18:36 – How do we verify if a self-driving car is safe, in a safe way?
24:02 – Waymo and the scaling of safety data
29:40 – The hardware behind self-driving
31:33 – Limitations of Lidar
37:57 – The misconceptions of self-driving cars
40:16 – A self-driving future

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#3: New Jersey's AI Language Translation Dec 11, 2024

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New Jersey's department of labor, in collaboration with USDR and Google.org, has assembled a set of training materials designed to turn off-the-shelf language models into bilingual unemployment insurance experts. We sat down with two of the people behind the launch to break it down.

#2: Is the Path to Empowerment Paved by AI? - Eric Xing Sep 30, 2024

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For Episode 2 of The Deep View: Conversations, we flew to Abu Dhabi to sit down with President Eric Xing of the Mohamed bin Zayed University of Artificial Intelligence, the world’s first AI-only university. We talk about everything from his unconventional journey to MBZUAI, misconceptions about the technology, the reality of progress in the field and the idea that, like the printing press, AI might usher in a new age for humanity, the age of empowerment.

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EPISODE LINKS:
MBZUAI appoints Eric Xing: https://mbzuai.ac.ae/study/faculty/professor-eric-xing/
Eric Xing addresses the class of 2024: https://mbzuai.ac.ae/news/presidents-address-to-the-class-of-2024/
The printing press and the age of enlightenment: https://www.history.com/news/printing-press-renaissance

OUTLINE:
00:47 Introduction to MBZUAI
02:49 The Unexpected Offer
05:19 Making the Decision
10:01 A New Cultural Moment
13:28 Starting at MBZUAI
14:35 The Age of AI Empowerment
21:44 AI’s Potential and Risks
29:19 Regulating AI
35:40 The Promise of AI
43:39 AI as the Modern Microscope
45:19 Limitations and Misconceptions of AI
47:57 The Role of Language in AI
50:26 AI Literacy and Public Perception
01:01:00 Open Source vs. Closed Source Debate
01:15:01 The Future of AI Education
01:22:31 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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#1: Why We Need to Tame Silicon Valley - Gary Marcus Sep 18, 2024

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EPISODE LINKS:
Taming Silicon Valley: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262551069/taming-silicon-valley/
Gary Marcus’ Testimony Before the Senate Judiciary Committee: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/committee-activity/hearings/oversight-of-ai-rules-for-artificial-intelligence
Google DeepMind’s AlphaFold 3: https://alphafold.com/
Generative AI’s Copyright Problem: https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/the-potential-genai-copyright-infringement
Eric Schmidt, Let the Lawyers Clean it Up: https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/16/24221353/eric-schmidt-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud
Deep Learning is Hitting a Wall: https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/26-months-of-ridicule-and-failure?utm_source=publication-search
Marcus Bets Elon Musk $10 Million: https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/superhuman-agi-is-not-nigh

OUTLINE:
1:30 – The inspiration behind 'Taming Silicon Valley'
4:30 – Regulation won't stifle innovation; it'll do the opposite.
7:10 – The potential upsides of AI (if it's done right).
10:00 – Money, power and the original mission of AI
12:11 – Generative AI's copyright problem
13:35 – The culture and ethos of Silicon Valley
14:45 – Here's how we can achieve ethical AI
19:11 - Common AI misconceptions
22:01 – Deep learning and exponential progress
25:06 – The bursting of the AI bubble
31:31 – New AI paradigms: Neurosymbolic AI
33:45 – No AGI by 2027
38:00 – Is AGI possible?
39:45 – The role of regulation
42:15 – We shouldn't stop AI
45:30 – Chatbots aren't the "droids we're looking for"
49:30 – Is solving AI a good thing?
51:10 – Silicon Valley is its own worst enemy
53:20 – What should people do about AI?

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