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**The Cosmic Current: Weekly Conversations With Experts In Spirituality and Divination**

Each week, we bring you a special guest from the world of spirituality and divination to inspire your soul and ignite your destiny. We deal with a number of topics including numerology, astrology, angels, spirit guides, magick, witchcraft and all things estoteric, but we also talk about general themes such as self-love, confidence, self-care, mental heath, physical health, happiness and much more. Whether you’re interested in numerology, astrology or any other form of spirituality and divination, the Numerologist podcast gives you an insight into improving your life and fulfilling your destiny through inspirational, informative and entertaining conversations with some of the world’s best spiritual entrepreneurs. Get your free personalized numerology mini-reading here: https://video.numerologist.com/

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Episode #46: Everything You Need To Know About The Expression Number (Numerology 101) Dec 26, 2020

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Hi Numerologist community, thank you once again for joining me for another episode of the Numerologist Podcast. In this episode, we’re joined once again by our resident numerology expert, Roy Kirkland, to discuss the Expression Number. Listen below or on your favorite platform… Show Links Your Free Numerology Report – video.numerologist.com Your Special Podcast Gift: As a thank you for joining us here on the Numerologist Podcast, we’re giving you access to a very special video report which delves into the deepest levels of your numerology chart to help you understand who you are. Get Your FREE Numerology Video Report Here: http:/video.numerologist.com Full Transcript Speaker 1: Welcome to the Numerologist Podcast, where we bring you a very special guest every week to help guide you on your spiritual journey, live with abundance, and inspire your soul. Rose: Hi Numerologist fans. Welcome back to another episode of the Numerologist Podcast with me, your host, Rose from numerologist.com. And we’re back once again with our favorite numerologist, Roy. Hey Roy. Roy: Hey, how are you? Rose: Very well, thank you. Now we’re actually going to go into quite a big topic today. We’re going to be talking about the expression number. So I’m really excited to learn all about the expression number, and we’ll have a few other episodes as well that go into a bit more detail about this topic. But for now, let’s look at the expression 101. So what is the expression number? Read more: The Birthday Number Explained With Roy Kirkland Roy: Well let’s talk about it like this. The expression is the numerological sum of the heart’s desire, also known as the soul urge, which is the sum of the vowels, and the personality number, which is the sum of the consonants, which means it’s actually the sum of all the letters in your name. But at the same time, it’s really a lot more than that. There’s a principle called synergy that we use a lot in modern philosophy and physics and stuff like that, that means the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. In other words, you can’t tell what an automobile does or what it’s actually for or how it works if you have every single separate part spread out on a lawn or something. It’s not until you put it together that it becomes an automobile. Otherwise, it’s just something that’s a bunch of parts. In other words, the whole idea of synergy is that a complete thing does something more and sometimes different than what the assemblage of the parts can do. Now the body is like that. The human being is a synergetic unit. If you separate the heart, the liver, the kidneys, they each have their own functions, but at the same time if you put everything together, all the nerves and electrical signals and all that stuff together, then you have a person. So in other words, everybody on a sports team will have different specialty moves and skills, and even different functions on a sports team, but the athletes’ ability to function together is what makes the team, is what wins or loses the game. You see what I mean? And so synergy explains what the all encompassing nature of number nine is like too. In the old numerology books, they used to always say it’s all-encompassing, meaning that it carries a little bit of everything from one through eight in its job. That’s why in real old numerology books, especially in the Calvian numerology, they don’t assign any letter to nine because they say that the number nine is reserved for God. And it’s a very interesting system of numerology. Even though it’s very old school, it works very well today. Rose: Yeah, okay. Hey Roy, I’m going to have to get you to maybe change your headset. It keeps clicking. It keeps going in and out. Do you have a different, whatever you were using last week? Roy: Yeah, I could do that. I don’t know why that is. It might be because the [inaudible 00:04:09] software is updating or something. So let me switch over to the [inaudible 00:04:13]. Rose: Okay cool, thank you. Roy: It will only take a minute. Rose: Roy, it’s really funny you mentioned about all the pieces to the puzzle sort of laid out on the ground there, and it all has to sort of come together. I feel like sometimes that’s my life, and I think a lot of people would also feel a bit like that as well. So let’s talk about the expression number and how it brings all that together. So what is the expression number? Roy: Okay. The expression, I like to use this phrase to describe it. It’s about you as a human doing rather than a human being. In other words, it’s about what you bring to the table. It’s about your contribution to the world around you and the way the world reflects your contribution back to you. Some people call this paramount. For instance, in other words, you give to the world and the world gives back, and that’s what the expression talks about. It contains all the little tells. You know that expression called tells that we use for people playing poker or something like that? Rose: Yeah. Roy: Little give away signs that lets others know when you’re in a mood. Rose: Absolutely. Roy: It holds all your skills and talents, and maybe some that you haven’t explored yet at hand, but when they’re needed, it’s like a monitor on a computer that turns the millions of internal electronic processes and their interactions into a YouTube video, a document you’re working on, or connects you to others through the social network. In other words, we don’t do anything with those computers that isn’t analogous to something that happens within ourselves. And the expression is sort of like the interface between you and the rest of the world by way of the internet. The expression is an action. It’s not a name for something. If you think about it, express is a verb. Sometimes we use it as a noun when we order express shipping, meaning you better hurry up and get it here, but it’s not a name for something. It’s more of a verb. It’s an action. It’s about how we express ourselves and how our expression affects other people. And consequently, they process it and it’s about how their return of that expression affects us. Rose: Right. Okay, well that’s interesting, that sort of perspective on it. It sounds like it’s more than just a combination of the heart’s desire and the personality numbers though. So can you expand on that a little bit? Roy: Yeah. Yeah. Let’s get a little more in depth about that. It’s more than just a combination of the personality and the soul urge. A more wholistic picture of a person’s individual psychological makeup is involved here. And let me explain a couple of important terms that I know and that I think in terms of. You don’t have to see it this way, but from the standpiont of Jungian psychology, the psychology of Carl Jung, the ego is what protects us from the personal and collective unconscious. In other words, all these thoughts we have in our own subconscious, some of them we’re aware of, and some of them we aren’t. It’s usually the ones that we aren’t aware of that cause problems for us in our life. Complexes and things like that. And also, there’s a collective unconscious. There’s things in the mind that we share with all human beings. Sometimes they’re just in a little cultural bubble, or in little family bubble, or a historical bubble, but nevertheless, these are collective ideas as opposed to personal thoughts. It’s the primary force that protects the self against most of our own thoughts too, that could cause us harm if we persist in them, and whether or not they are our own or come from other people or self-damaging fantasizes that exist in myths, stories, and ideas that are part of the collective mind that we share with others. An example of that is what they call a Cinderella complex. When somebody just wishes that a fairy godmother would come along and introduce them to a prince. Or when they say somebody is looking for Mr. Goodbar is a more verdant expression for that. Read more: How The Universe Is Rooting For You (& Why It Means You Won’t Fail This Week) So when people think of the ego as a person’s overinflated image of themselves, they’re talking about that person being possessed by a sense of grandiosity. In other words, they think they’re bigger and better than they actually are. That’s what we generally call the ego. Saying the person has a big ego, that’s not necessarily true. The person has an overinflated sense of grandiosity. That kind of character defect is clearly seen in the expression. But as a result of a problem at the level of the personality number, which is where psychologists, spiritual healers, and self-help guides and all that kind of stuff, they all work on the level of the personality number. So the ego shares energies and forces of both the heart’s desire and the personality, because it’s trying to protect that deepest inner level of the self from the damage that can be caused by all the stuff in the environment, sort of like the ego is the part of us that puts on the sunblock and so on before we go into the regular environment to keep ourselves from getting too many UV rays and stuff like that. So the self image is another aspect of the expression. It’s a term that a lot of meditators, especially those in Buddhist traditions and books on mindfulness call the self-image, the part of us that reviews ourselves. It forms our personalities and analyzes the world on both an emotional and rational level. It’s where the ideas about a person’s styles of behavior, including speech, appearance, and so on come from. In other words, the self-image is the you that you like to be, or that you want to be, or that you try to be. It’s also constantly analyzing possible threats and sends that information to the deepest level of the self so it can send out the defensive forces of the ego to combat that kind of stress. It also has a direct line to ego, as I just mentioned, and connects the personality and the heart’s desire numbers. It’s our inner critic, but it can also be our internal cheering squad. This is what I call in a lot of my writing the internal guidance system, or your energetic guidance system. That which leads you to, or tries to lead you to where you want to go. Sometimes we just override it because it’s like your friend, say your best friend wants to go mountain climbing or something, and you just dread the idea. It might actually be a good thing for you to do, but if you just dread the idea, you’re not going. And there might be a good reason for that. It might be that your energetic guidance system is trying to keep you from causing yourself trouble or harm. It’s through the self-image that we encounter most of our problems, but it’s also the part of us that attaches meaning to life, meaning to our experience, and lets us know what makes us feel happy and fulfilled. It’s more like an acting coach than it is like anything else. An acting coach who teaches you how to respond to a director of a play or whatever. The expression is guided by the self-image and the needs of the ego, but is partly explained by the heart’s desire and the personality numbers. That’s kind of a way of breaking down what the expression actually is into… How do I put it? Understandable chunks or pieces where there actually are no pieces in us. But it’s an easy way for us to understand what’s going on within ourselves and around us. And this is one of the things I like about numerology so much, because the chunks are so much bigger than they are in like astrology or some of the other methods of studying the personality, or even in psychology. It’s easier to understand than that because we’re looking at three big chunks here, three big pieces. And all of these things are different ways of describing facets of the human personality, but all these descriptions are in reality just one thing, the expression itself. Rose: Sorry Roy, I couldn’t get myself off mute. Well that all sounds like a lot. Roy: Yeah, well I knew this would be a little complicated, but it’s really not that complicated. If you think of the expression as the key number of the individual self and like the life path, as like the key number of the environment, then it becomes a lot easier. Okay? Rose: All right, so can you give us a brief example of how this works in personal numerology? Because I’m sure a lot of people listening to this want to know how it works for them. Roy: Yeah. Yeah. Well let’s do that by giving you an example. And I’ve wrote up a brief essay about this guy for the blog. It’s Elon Musk, who’s often called a visionary genius. We know that he is a genius, without a doubt. His car company, Tesla, is the most valuable car company in the world. As a matter of fact, last week it beat Toyota in market cap and now has a larger market cap than the next six companies below it, which are Toyota, General Motors, Ford, Chrysler, Ferrari, and somebody else who I don’t remember off hand, but anyway, it’s worth more than all of them combined. He’s building a tunnel under Los Angeles for a super fast train to run on magnetic repulsion. His rockets and space capsules are proven to lift multiple astronauts into space at like a tenth of the cost or the danger of the space shuttle. And all of that is part of his project to build a human habit on Mars. I don’t know what he’s going to do about the radiation up there, but nevertheless, this is a guy that’s taking us into outer space with a private company. And we look at his numbers, and we see his soul urge, or the heart’s desire, as being a total of five. A five is a trend setter. A trend setter is a person who is always ahead of the game, who other people are following. And this is a perfect example of a five. If you’ve ever seen him on an interview, you know he’s a really relaxed kind of guy who at least to enjoy himself, which is another aspect of five, and that he’s always one step ahead of the critics. He’s at the cutting edge of today’s technology, and waiting for the world to catch up with him. All of these attributes are normally associated with a five. His personality number is six. His vision of electrical power for the world, high-speed automatic transportation, and other projects and ideas that he’s basically described for building harmony within the environment, comfort within the home, and he’s well-known for his love of children. All of these are different attributes of six, his personality, his personality number. So we add five and six together, and what do we get? We get 11. That’s the expression. Some numerology books call this the master psychic, or the visionary, which is the name that I prefer. It’s the mark of someone who celebrates their own uniqueness, is charismatic, and finds it easy to influence others. In one interview, he even described himself as a kind of a wizard. And in my opinion, he’s living the 11 life better than almost anybody I can think of, except for maybe Tony Robbins, who also has a lot of 11 in his chart. But at any rate, I picked him because his name is short, but the numerology of it is very clear and on target about what we see of him on TV and on the web, in the news, et cetera. In other words, he’s a pure example, an excellent example of what an expression number is all about. Rose: You know Roy, I really love it when somebody is sort of that mysterious kind of person, but their numbers just reveal everything about them. It’s so good. Read more: Why Your Personality Number Will Help You Navigate Momentous Changes In You Life! Roy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right, exactly, and it’s the same thing for all of us. Whatever our expression number comes out to be reveals something about our character that is so central to the behavior and so on and so forth. So at any rate, yeah. Yeah, he’s a good example. Rose: Absolutely. But it just makes me ask a different question. I thought we were working with single digit numbers here. Roy: Yeah. Well I usually describe a lot of single digit numbers in my writin…

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EPISODE #45: How Magick Ended Shawn Engel’s Decade of Self-Destruction Dec 21, 2020

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Welcome back to the Numerologist podcast. I hope you’re all enjoying the festive period in the lead up to Christmas. I’m in Australia, so it’s always a hot Christmas for me but being from the Uk, I’m used to a cold one, so, if it’s chilly where you are, embrace that for me even it feels a little bit miserable for you. This episode of the Numerologist podcast is a magickal one indeed. Shawn Engel is the brand strategist and spiritual mentor behind, Witchy Wisdoms. She is the author of Cosmopolitan’s Love Spells (Sterling), Power of Hex (Chicago Review Press), the upcoming Witches Brew (Sterling), and the matriarch of The Boss Mystic Podcast Network. She has successfully leveraged social media and currently has over 50k followers in her social community under the handle @witchywisdoms. But the Shawn before the followers that we’ll explore today. Her story of how she embraced her magickal side to liberate her from a life of drugs and partying is one that you have to hear. So, without further ado, let’s welcome Shawn to the show. Related Podcast: A NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE MADE JOHN HOLLAND REALIZE HIS TRUE CALLING Related Podcast: How To Be Fine With Kristen Meinzer and Jolenta Greenberg Here’s what we discuss: How Shawn became a witch; what her childhood was life The shocking reason Shawn turned her life around The way Shawn helps her magickal community Show Links Your Free Numerology Report – https://video.numerologist.com/mesl_v1.5/blog-mb.php Shawn’s website: https://witchywisdoms.com Shawn’s Mastermind: https://witchywisdoms.com/new-year-new-you-mastermind Your Special Podcast Gift: As a thank you for joining us here on the Numerologist Podcast, we’re giving you access to a very special video report which delves into the deepest levels of your numerology chart to help you understand who you are. Speaker 1: Welcome to the Numerologist Podcast, where we bring you a very special guest every single week to help guide you on your spiritual journey, live with abundance and inspire your soul. Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Numerologist podcast. I hope you’re all enjoying the festive period in the lead up to Christmas. I’m in Australia, so it’s always a hot Christmas for me but being from the Uk, I’m used to a cold one, so, if it’s chilly where you are, embrace that for me even it feels a little bit miserable for you. This episode of the Numerologist podcast is a magickal one indeed. Shawn Engel is the brand strategist and spiritual mentor behind, Witchy Wisdoms. She is the author of Cosmopolitan’s Love Spells (Sterling), Power of Hex (Chicago Review Press), the upcoming Witches Brew (Sterling), and the matriarch of The Boss Mystic Podcast Network. She has successfully leveraged social media and currently has over 50k followers in her social community under the handle @witchywisdoms. But the Shawn before the followers that we’ll explore today. Her story of how she embraced her magickal side to liberate her from a life of drugs and partying is one that you have to hear. So, without further ado, let’s welcome Shawn to the show. Hey, Shawn. Thanks for joining us. Shawn: Thank you so much for having me. Speaker 2: I want to really explore your magical world because magic is always something that fascinates me so much. Before we get to what you do now, let’s take a look at your journey to actually getting there. How did it all start for you? Shawn: Oh, it’s a long story, long and arduous story with so many different evolutions. I’m a triple Scorpio, so it was definitely true to the brand but in terms of the magical beginnings, I was always a spooky kid. Speaker 2: I love that. Shawn: [inaudible 00:00:55]. Right, making potions in the backyard with flowers and mud and going on those … You remember those old websites that had red font and bad like gifs and looking up spells and sitting on the floor in Barnes & Noble and looking up palmistry books and astrology books. My magical journey started there and just dabbling, not necessarily taking it seriously, I was however old I was 12, 13. What do you really take seriously then? Speaker 2: Yeah. Shawn: It was always part of me but after that, at a very young age, I got into lots of trouble. It was the era of sex and drugs. It was a really devastating decade of just way too much self-destruction. Again, quite Scorpio. Speaker 2: Yeah. Shawn: Right and so I did lose touch just a little bit with the magical side. And also, if you’re in that much self destruction and self harm, it’s really hard to reach for things that can benefit you. Speaker 2: Absolutely. Shawn: Right, it’s more of an ego attachment. Lost touch with it a little bit. And then fast forward over to, let’s say, I think I was 24 years old, so quite a few years ago. I got into therapy and got my tarot deck back out and the rest is history. Speaker 2: Right. I’m interested to explore that 13, 14 year old you. Did you ever … Because I’ve spoken to a few witches before but they feel like they’ve actually come out as a witch. Did you talk to people about it then? Did you tell people you were interested in that kind of thing or was it just one of those side things that was in the back of your mind? Shawn: I was never officially in the broom closet. It was always part of me but it was always … Again, I prided myself on being strange. Yeah, I did a spell or I was the one that introduced it to my friends who always gave a side eye but reluctantly did them with me. Speaker 2: That’s always the case, isn’t it? They think it’s weird but they actually get into it themselves. Shawn: Exactly. And my birthday is October 29th, so it’s always right by Halloween. Every birthday party we were doing seances. It was definitely part of my brand from a very [inaudible 00:03:13] age. Speaker 2: Yeah. What did your parents think of it? Shawn: They were like, it’s Shawn being Shawn. Speaker 2: Well, that was good. Shawn: I was really fortunate. My mother is of Jewish faith. My father is a German Catholic and they asked me and my sister when we were really young, what we wanted to study religiously, if we wanted to do either. And I was like, “I’m going to be a witch.” And my sister was like, “I’m an Aquarius. I don’t care.” Speaker 2: And that’s really refreshing because a lot of people you talk to, their parents would not be as … Especially if they have their own faith, they would not be as open to things like that. That’s quite refreshing that you were able to explore what you wanted to explore. Shawn: I think I was super, super lucky that my parents were 80s punk rockers. My dad was had pink hair and was a drummer in a punk band and my mom was a groupie. They were always way more open but yeah, I’m absolutely so fortunate to have had that upbringing. Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. You said … Okay, when you were about 24, you brought your tarot deck out again. What happened then? What was the big change? Shawn: My big Tower moment, it was the catalyst for Witchy Wisdoms but at the very tail end of my sex and drugs escapade, I got involved with … Who I didn’t realize at the time, I was in a lot of naive denial but he was a heroin addict. And I moved from Manhattan to New Jersey to basically support him, with the promise that he would eventually pay me back but we moved in together. And then two days after we moved in, he said, “Hey, I have a heroin addiction and I need to go to Florida to rehab.” And my whole world crumbled. And just previously from that, I think the reason why I even got into that relationship in the first place is because I buried so much trauma from a sexual assault in the previous year. There was a lot to unpack and a lot of the reasons why I was brought to that Tower moment because these faded events that happen, it’s like you veered so far off course that something drastic has to take place. And I’m not saying it was … Oh, I found out. And then the next thing I know, I’m Witchy Wisdoms. It took a very, very long time for me to get into therapy, work through things, work through my worth and see that he was no longer a part of that life, to break up, to realize what boundaries were. I’d never even heard that word before therapy. Speaker 2: Yeah. Shawn: And then once I was in that mode of self-discovery, marrying the things that I was learning in therapy, like boundaries, big queen of swords energy with the taro, was so cathartic. That was the basis for all of my magic going forward. Speaker 2: Was it a difficult transition? Obviously, going from your old life to transitioning through that therapy period, how did it take its toll on you? Shawn: Oh, my gosh. Well, I have to say, I’m lucky in that I’m a very Mars ruled person. Determination was never … That was never an issue for me but I went through a thousand deaths in that period. Not to be dramatic but I was taking a train., I was taking three trains from Jersey city to Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, twice a week to see my very stoic German therapist who was in my network that I found on Zocdoc and was sliding scale. And it was so painful to revisit. I was so triggered by everything. We’re going deeper and unpacking so many things. That saying where it’s always darkest before the dawn … Speaker 2: Absolutely. Shawn: That was what it was. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And I think a lot of people when they have their moment, whatever it is. Whether they’ve come through a really dark period or they’ve just been living a life that isn’t necessarily who they are and they have that aha moment, like you said, it’s never a, “Aha. Oh, now everything’s all good.” It’s an aha of , “I’ve got to go through all of this crap before I get to the good stuff.” Right. Shawn: Absolutely. And that’s the thing with manifestation too. It’s like yeah, you can get it but then you have to implement it. It’s like, “What?” Speaker 2: Let’s start talking about … Okay, what was the moment that you started to go back into this witchy side of you and explore that? What did that look like? Shawn: It happened pretty organically. I’ll be honest. I’m a really big believer in signs or just things popping up in your periphery when they need to happen. Whether I was scrolling Instagram or looking through magazines or talking to people, the notion of magic just kept popping up, whether it was astrology or tarot or whatever. And it was just that dinging thing in the back of my head that was like, “Remember how helpful this was to you. And remember how this was a part of your personality.” And I was just like, “Man, I think this is something … It’s calling to me.” And it fit like a puzzle piece because yeah, therapy is great but it’s hard work, right. And it doesn’t feel as enlightening and fulfilling for me without the magical aspect of just that integration. That was just something that I needed. It works really well for some people on its own but I needed them in tandem and it worked so well for me. Speaker 2: And I think that’s an important point to note as well, isn’t it? Therapy isn’t for everyone. Therapy plus something might work for somebody else. And there’s so many different combinations of self-care, self-development and professional … Sorry, personal growth that people can go through. And I think that’s a really good point you highlighted. For anybody who’s out there going through therapy and thinking, “This isn’t working the way I want it to.” There’s something out there that might be for you instead, right. Shawn: Yeah, absolutely. Speaker 2: Yeah. When did it go from magical Shawn for Shawn to magical Shawn for the collective and for clients and that kind of thing? Shawn: That again, was pretty organic and I want to say slow moving but now that I look back at it in the years that it’s taken me to culminate my brand, it was not slow. It was pretty fast. When I got to a point of like, “I have internalized this work. I’ve gotten to a point where I can at least see the other side of it.” No one’s ever really on the other side of trauma but I felt that I was able to share it and I don’t know, just talk about it. And I was always a writer. Again, going back to that spooky kid version of myself, I was writing horror stories when I was in fifth grade and scaring my teachers. Writing was just always that tool that I used. I decided to write a blog because again, at the time … Now, I had lost so many jobs during the breakup because I was just unable to focus and also just was not meant for the line of work I was in. I was in the service industry and working as a GM. I got back into bartending and held the job for a while because I was more mentally well and able to perform but I was unfulfilled and I was like, “I need something in my life that’s going to help me move forward and give me purpose.” I wrote the blog, Witchy Wisdoms. And married the tarot with therapy. And so every blog post was a card and was like, “Here are the practical applications for the magical nuances, used to be occult symbols.” And it resonated with people. They were like, “Oh, this is really helpful.” Then that turned into an Instagram. And when I realized I had a knack for social media, I was like, “I can get exposure doing this.” And when I reached enough people, I was like, “I could be a life coach.” I got certified. And that was I think, maybe three or four years after my therapy journey but then now that I do business coaching, it’s because the life coaching business took off so well. Those were the evolutions of it but yeah. Speaker 2: I do find that really interesting, how the magic and the business intertwined because there’s so many business coaches that they don’t niche down into anything specific but tell me, how have people responded to the magical element of your business coaching? Is it just spiritual people or people who are interested in the occult or the magical side of things? Or is it businesses as a whole, who they don’t necessarily have a magical leader at the helm if you will? Shawn: Well, it’s definitely taken all kinds. I’ve worked with everybody from non-profits for women in Guyana to artists, to tarot readers, to beauty brands. It’s run the gamut but what I’ve noticed, is it’s generally just who gravitates towards me, are women that struggle with empathy and worth. And I think that’s where the magical aspect ties in because again, being so good at the boundaries that I practiced, I can tell people that are healers by nature, whether it’s through beauty branding or helping women in Guyana or whatever the case may be, I help them heal but with integrity and from a standpoint that also supports them and helps them strategically keep scaling so that they can heal the masses versus being stuck in that loop of where you think you can only do the one thing and you can only help these certain people and it should all be for free and then nobody’s getting any value. Speaker 2: Absolutely. And that’s something that a lot of people struggle with, isn’t it? Actually taking money and not doing something for free and that kind of thing. And it seems like a bit of a guilty thing. I know from personal experience, I started a business blog, since somebody private messaged me and said, “Where are the profits going for this?” I’m like, “It’s a business. Why do people make people feel guilty about taking money?” Shawn: Honestly, I think that’s just full projection. And I actually, I’ve had that happen to me quite a few times. When people back out on contracts where the parameters are clearly stated, what is expected. And then they feel like I should have given them things for free. I’m like, “Well, my time and my energy isn’t free and you can take it or leave it. No one is making you pay this price but if you don’t value yourself, I’m pretty certain you’re not going to value me either.” Speaker 2: Absolutely. Shawn: Right and there’s a lot to unpack there and many different reasons because money is a sore spot for a lot of people but that’s generally the biggest culprit. Speaker 2: Let’s talk about what a session or what a…

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Episode #43: Your Personality Number Reveals The Secrets of What Other People Think About You with Roy Kirkland Dec 12, 2020

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Hi Numerologist community, thank you once again for joining me for another episode of the Numerologist Podcast. In this episode, we’re joined once again by our resident numerology expert, Roy Kirkland, to discuss the Personality Number and its connection with our heart’s desires! Listen below or on your favorite platform… Show Links Your Free Numerology Report – video.numerologist.com Your Special Podcast Gift: As a thank you for joining us here on the Numerologist Podcast, we’re giving you access to a very special video report which delves into the deepest levels of your numerology chart to help you understand who you are. Get Your FREE Numerology Video Report Here: http:/video.numerologist.com Full Transcript Speaker 1: Welcome to the Numerologist podcast, where we bring you a very special guest every single week to help guide you on your spiritual journey, live with abundance and inspire your soul. Rose: Hi, numerologist community, and welcome back to another episode of the Numerologist podcast. Thank you so much for joining me once again, my name is Rose, and today I am here with our favorite numerologist Roy. Hey, Roy. Roy: Hey, how are you? Rose: Really well, thank you. Today we’re talking about the personality number. Let’s get right to it, what is the personality number all about? Roy: Well, first, let me start by saying that the personality number is definitely not the kind of thing that tells you about what clothes are best, or what kind of car you, quote should, unquote drive. Things like that are okay, but that’s superstition, that’s not really diving into the depth of numerology. Because this number explores the interaction between your highest goals, and your highest ideals, and your psychic and physical environment. I was just doing some research the other day and was reading from Einstein, and he said that “Everything that’s not me is my environment.” In other words, he was carefully identifying himself as being his psychic-self, about being his mind and his emotions. Everything that was not them was the environment. It’s important to think of it like that in terms of the personality, because the personality number is made up of, or the way it works within a human being is that, we tend to make up our own ideas about life, and our ideas about who we are and what we do, from our responses, from the environment. Life path numbers have to do with our environment, and the name numbers have to do with our relationship with the environment. That’s exactly what the personality number does. It’s the central thing that brings to you into a response, a call and response relationship with the world around you. Now, in psychology, the personality is basically considered to be long standing, repeated behaviors of the body, speech, and mind, more or less your physical and emotional habits. Now, there are psychologists who don’t agree with that view, but that’s the standing one nowadays, because it’s easier to treat with behavioral therapy and drugs. Than it is to deal with the [inaudible 00:03:12] type of perception of what a personality is. I tend to think of it as being how you’re doing one thing and thinking about another. Well, the part of you that’s thinking about other things, or deciding which shirt to put on in the morning, or whether or not you need more salt in the food, that’s the personality number in action. We tend to look at the personality number as the channel through which the heart’s desire reaches out to the world, and through which the sense impressions of the world reach the deepest level of the cell. I’m sorry about that, I forgot to put my phone in airplane mode. But anyway, would reach the deepest level of the self and feed its power. The personality number and the heart’s desire are really inseparable, but at the same time, they’re sometimes at odds with one another. In other words … but it’s easier to work with if we’re using this sort of model of saying that the heart’s desire and the personality number are two different things. Let me give you a quick example of that here before we move forward. In other words, if a person is say, really into manifesting their goals, or their dreams, or something like that, first they get clear about them, which is clarifying the heart’s desire. Creating an open channel [inaudible 00:04:59] to operate. Then everything else involves the work of the personality number, in other words, sorting out your thoughts about this particular goal you want to reach, and making sense of it. Then even the doubts that come up about it, about your ability to achieve such a thing, are coming from out of the personality number, because this is stuff you’ve learned from life, not stuff that’s part of the creative aspect of the mind. Which is where the heart’s desire has control, you see what I mean? In other words, there are no obstacles to the creative mind, only to the personality, because it’s found them, it knows they’re there. You see? Rose: Got you. Is this the level at which you can read about the result of someone’s decisions? Roy: Well, not quite. Because the personality number is the part of you that expresses both complicated and simple decisions in the world. It’s also the facet of the self that is most easily influenced by peers, by the culture, by the environment a person lives in. By thoughts and ideas of others. Now, this isn’t a bad thing, because nobody wants to be a total oddball alone. We have to get along with other people, that is human nature, we’re not, how do I put it? Solitary creatures. It’s sometimes called the quiet self, or the part of self that remains hidden from others, but does all the work when it comes to creating happiness, and making choices in everyday life. Or expressing your personal power, your instinctual power, and so on, and so forth. This is why all existing self-help and psychological growth literature is designed to work with the personality number. In other words, the goal of most of this work, including the work of psychotherapy is designed to connect the personality number with the heart’s desire, in a fluid and uplifting way. Now, there can be glimpses of it, and so on, and so forth. People may even view the heart’s desire negatively. Like people who say to themselves, “Oh, it’s impossible. I’ll never be a millionaire,” or, “I’ll never have a sailboat,” or something like that. That’s stuff that’s in the heart’s desire, that a person has decided that they can’t have on the basis of what other people tell them, their experience in the environment or in the world. Of course, it’s not when desire is something totally at odds with reality. In other words, a person who’s 80 years old and has a bad ankle is not going to win the Boston Marathon. You see what I mean? No matter how much they want it. It’s something they’re not going to manifest, unless they make a special category for 80 year old people with bad ankle. Now, it is the key to manifesting and healing in a most important way. All other miracles that people strive for in this day and age, in a very specific way. The personality number is the key to making these things manifest. In our day-to-day lives, we usually depend on our personality numbers to help us make decisions. Things like decisions about our personal style, food choices, as I mentioned before, are almost always built along the lines of the personality number. The likes and dislikes, as I mentioned before, as to whether there’s enough salt in this soup, this is a personal like and dislike. I personally don’t think that has anything to do with the heart’s desire. I think that’s a matter of what you’ve adopted to and part of you that’s changed. When I was a kid, I hated asparagus, now I eat it every week. Because of just changes, I guess, in understanding things, and then educating your senses and so on, and so forth. But the decisions that we need to make about our future, and the fulfillment of our deepest desires need to be illumined. Or, I guess I could say empowered by the heart’s desire, and this is where the problems can arise. Because our personality number includes the interactive, I guess you could call it, mind. The facet of the subconscious mind that builds values, beliefs, and so forth. Those drive the majority of our activities. It’s through this area of consciousness, where the personality and heart’s desire connect. But at the same time, we take up many of these plans and thoughts from our culture, and from other people, because we usually have similar needs, desires and goals. What that ends up doing is building a wall between the personality, and the heart’s desire, and making it very difficult for anyone to find what it is they truly want out of life. Rose: I guess that it has a lot to do with communication then? Roy: Yeah, it does. It’s not only connection or communication with other people, it’s also communication with the deepest layers of the self. Because all forms of communication are bi-directional, in other words, they go both ways. Talking to you doesn’t do any good if you’re just not there, as we sometimes get on phone calls that don’t connect. At the same time, thinking to yourself about things that you’ve already got objections toward, really doesn’t produce an effect. It’s a kind of a shared mentality that language creates for us. But in our inner self, this has to do with symbols, ideas, signs, things that we’re not even aware of in our daily thoughts. That means we can have a conflict between motivations, and aims, and our ability to follow through on those motivations, and aims. It’s kind of what some psychologists used to call a complex or something of that nature. Plus, they’re all these thoughts that are driven by peer pressure, and fads, and necessities of, and how you’ve been taught to respond to immediate situations. Can cloud up the connection between the personality and the heart’s desire, especially when these thoughts conflict with the deeper innovation. Rose: I can see that. I guess that’s what it means when people say they’re not quite on the same page, right? Roy: Yeah. Well, that’s absolutely what it means when people are talking to each other. But when you’re dealing with the interaction between the heart’s desire and the personality number, you can’t see that as being two different versions of yourself. It’s all one version of yourself, but it’s like part of that version of yourself that connects the two. It’s more like having a kind of a problem, like an illness that’s very hard to get rid of, “Good God, I want to get rid of this cold. I hate having my nose stuffed up.” Things like that. These are the same kind of things that, how do I put it? That non-positive thinking does to you. It creates that blockage. But the thing of it is, is that between two people, this not being on the same page is not that hard to fix. At the core of most self-improvement methods, even meditation, the problem between the being on the same page between the heart’s desire and personality numbers, it’s not that hard to fix either. You see what I mean? Rose: Yeah. I guess that’s the change your mind, change your life kind of philosophy, right? Roy: Yeah. Exactly, exactly. You nailed it. The best thing about it, is that this is a totally scientific thing. This is something that we have proven. Although they don’t talk about it much, usually, all they talk about is the stuff having to do with cosmetics, and so on, and so forth. But there’s a reason for that, the medical industry and the, at least in America, the medical industry went through a big thing to do their best to outlaw any of the mind science that existed at the end of the 19th century. When people were really interested in exploring this. But according to recent scientific studies in neurophysiology and biochemistry, and so on and so forth, we’ve come up with this thing called neuroplasticity. That the thoughts literally change the brain, physically alter the way the brain works throughout your life. This affects your ambitions, your drives, your efficiency, your sensitivity, and your relationships with others, and even more. Now, the brain is not a self-ceiling tire, it doesn’t automatically repair its wounds, which is the way they like to think in a lot of science nowadays. That there’s no such thing as consciousness, there’s just the brain, which is a very sophisticated computer. That’s baloney. The thing about neuroplasticity is that this is a fact that you can look up on the internet or anywhere. It’s been tested and proven in laboratory conditions. Of course, you’re going to run across skeptics, but if the person’s a skeptic, that’s just a person that likes to talk and thinks too much of themselves. But this is also vulnerability, because thoughts based on the influence of others can change the brain as well. We know this, for instance from hypnosis, all right. That’s what it does. It’s common to all people, and it’s what self-help literature, metaphysics, spiritual pursuits, [inaudible 00:16:47] therapy, and other practices try to help us overcome. It’s freedom from that influence of others without having to blow them off, or become an isolated loner for the rest of your life, or anything like that. But that’s what all these teachings that we have, that connect body and soul, and spirit, and so on, and so forth, that’s what they all are trying to help us overcome. This vulnerability, because of neuroplasticity. They’ve known about this since long time before this stuff was even discovered. All right. Now, jump back to that, personality number is also where the decision to make a radical change in one’s life can take place. Sometimes it’s a change that’s prompted by one’s higher consciousness or the heart’s desire, and manifests as events. Like opening a business [inaudible 00:17:52], or entry onto a spiritual path, or creating a major change in professional career. Or maybe moving far away from one’s current place of residence. These kinds of things usually have to do with the heart’s desire, especially if they come on suddenly, in a person. All right. In other words, one of the cycles, pinnacles or personal years that syncs up with the personality number, and the heart’s desire, is usually a sign that these major changes might be happening. You can tell when a dramatic change comes from this way, because the person becomes really passionate about making that change happen. But you can also tell when an important change in one’s life was not prompted by the heart’s desire. That’s usually when a person acts out of fear, resentment, emotional pain, or loneliness. The change they make usually throws them into a situation they regret later. When somebody gets into a relationship with a person that’s really not good for them, and they know it. But they think it’s going to be a better choice than being by themselves. You see what I mean? It usually ends up being a much worse choice, but that’s when it’s only the personality number in action. As opposed to being the heart’s desire in action. Now, sometimes the personality number shows its power while one is young, and others, these changes happen later in life. That value usually depends on its agreement with life path cycles, or pinnacles, and so on, and so forth. It’s especially true if the personality number, and the heart’s desire work well together, are asynchronous or … oh, man, I hate using the word, are harmonic in their relationship. In other words, I hate using the word compatibility, because that doesn’t have anything to do with anything. I’ve known several people in my life, and I’ve had many, many clients who say, “Oh, you’re compatible with so and so,” and they end up having the worst fights and arguments. End up leaving each other after a while, and come back and ask me, “Well, somebody told me, we were compatible.” I have to explain to them that that doesn’t mean anything. Anybody can get along with anybody, unless there’s a really…

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EPISODE #42: A NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE MADE JOHN HOLLAND REALIZE HIS TRUE CALLING Nov 27, 2020

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Welcome to the Numerologist podcast! Today’s guest is international psychic medium, author and spiritual teacher, John Holland. As the author of six books, creator of four oracle decks and the founder of mysoulcommunity.com, John embarked on his spiritual journey to help and heal people globally. And through his many channels, he is doing just that. He’s been featured on the History Channel, the Biography Channel, in the Boston Globe and many others. And I’m so delighted he’s agreed to talk to me at Numerologist.com today. Here’s what we discuss: John’s journey to becoming one of the world’s leading psychic mediums. How you can hone your innate psychic abilities. How parents can identify and embrace their child’s skills. Show Links Your Free Numerology Report – https://video.numerologist.com/mesl_v1.5/blog-mb.php John’s website: JOHNHOLLAND.COM/ Koda Funf Event: https://conta.cc/393U5oP Your Special Podcast Gift: As a thank you for joining us here on the Numerologist Podcast, we’re giving you access to a very special video report which delves into the deepest levels of your numerology chart to help you understand who you are. Get Your FREE Numerology Video Report Here: https://video.numerologist.com/mesl_v1.5/blog-mb.php Full Transcript Speaker 1: Welcome to the Numerologist Podcast, where we bring you a very special guest every single week to help guide you on your spiritual journey, live with abundance and inspire your soul. Rose: Welcome back to the Numerologist Podcast. Thank you for joining me once again. I’m Rose, I’m your host. Now, we’ve been running this new revamped version of the Cosmic Current for nearly a year now. And I can’t believe how fast it’s gone. I should probably actually stop calling it the new version. But I’ve just been reflecting on how many amazing people I’ve spoken to this year. Rose: And getting a little bit deeper into that, it really makes me realize that it’s so important to be grateful for the incredible things that have happened during not such an incredible year. So, I think that’s a mini homework task for this week’s episode. Rose: I’d love for you to identify the things that have been amazing this year, even if they’re just small things, even if you have to squint to find the good in any given situation. And it’s probably a pretty timely time to do that, especially if you’re in the US since this episode will be live the day after Thanksgiving and on Black Friday of all days. So, if you do that little homework task, I want to share your gratitude with the world. Tell us any Instagram stories, and we’ll share that with our community as well. Rose: So, in the spirit of giving thanks, I just did want to say a huge thank you to everyone who has listened to the Numerologist Podcast over this past year. Whether you’ve listened to one or all of our episodes, I am so glad you’re joining us on this journey. Rose: If you haven’t already, make sure you subscribe to the podcast. And just a reminder that in the show notes for each episode, there’s a link to our free numerology video report, which reveals some of the most telling numbers in your numerology charts. And make sure you head over there and grab yours. Rose: But back to this episode. Today’s guest is international psychic medium, author and spiritual teacher, John Holland. As the author of six books, creator of four oracle decks and the founder of mysoulcommunity.com, John embarked on his spiritual journey to help and heal people globally. And through his many channels, he is doing just that. He’s been featured on the History Channel, the Biography Channel, in the Boston Globe and many others. And I’m so delighted he’s agreed to talk to me at Numerologist.com today. Please join me in welcoming John Holland. Hi, John. Thanks for joining me. John Holland: Hi, Rose. How are you? Rose: I’m very well. Thank you. How are you? John Holland: I’m great. Thank you. Rose: Excellent. So, I just want to jump straight into this and get to know John Holland. Let’s look at how John Holland as he is today came to be. So, let’s look at your childhood first. What was your childhood like as a gifted child? John Holland: Well, it’s the same story I tell. I was raised in a Catholic family, one of five kids. Three boys, two girls. And I was always the different one in the family, like many of your listeners probably too. What does that mean, Rose? I was very sensitive as a kid. I was a colicky baby. I was very sensitive. I spent a lot of time by myself. I basically was born drawing too. I never took a class, so I was very creative. John Holland: I knew things that I couldn’t possibly have known either. I was always fascinated by subjects like anything that had to do with spirits, religion, ghost, psychic powers. Or back then in my day, it was called ESP. So, I was excited about those things. I was excited about religious movies. John Holland: I’m not your average thing for a little boy. I wasn’t outdoors playing sports with my brothers. I was either drawing or reading. I was fascinated by chemistry. So, it seemed like science, religion, spirituality. I was always the different one in the family, and I was born with a highly tuned sense of intuition or psychic ability. I knew things I couldn’t even possibly have known. Who was going to come to the house unexpectedly. Who was sick in another state. So, things would come out of me. My dad would say to me, or to my mother, “Something is wrong with him.” John Holland: With society too, if you’re even then … If a kid is different, made to feel different, we hide it, Rose. We hide the ability. I didn’t want to be different. Not only was I different that way, I was skinny, big ears, a patch on my eye. Yeah, I was really different. I hid the ability or I pushed it down. Only my friends knew that I could do this as I grew up. They knew I was fascinated by the subject. They say, “Do that thing that you do.” And I will just tell them about something that just happened in their life, and then an automobile accident years later. John Holland: So, I still kept it a secret or pushed it down, and I didn’t just come out and tell people. An automobile accident made those abilities even stronger. And Rose, I have to change it. The accident didn’t make me psychic. The accident was a wake up call for me, and I got my life together. When I got my life together, I think I became aligned. Like Kundalini awakening, and that’s when all this ability started to just … It was really, really heightened. I felt this energy inside me. John Holland: I could see things, feel things. I didn’t know what was happening. Luckily, I had some education about psychic ability. So, I am a big advocate of … I have no problem being psychic. How do I shut it off? I studied everything I can on the mechanics of how this works. Chakras, auras, meditation, breath. I had to know that. Then I started getting into Reiki, into healing. John Holland: So little by little, I didn’t quit my day job. I kept it for years. I started reading tarot cards at an aromatherapy shop. I started to do pretty well at it. People started to get to know me there and I start to get the name. Still kept my day job. John Holland: What happened was two years into doing psychic work … Now, Rose, most of your audience, I assume, knows there’s a difference between psychic and mediums. There’s a difference. Every medium is psychic, but not every psychic is a medium. People are like, “Well, what do you mean?” John Holland: When you’re linking with people on the other side, they are using the … The transmission or the reception comes through my psychic senses whether you’re clairsentient, clairaudient, or clairvoyant. So, you have to be psychic. We all are, first of all. Some have a high potential. John Holland: Two years into doing reading, something different happen. I am reading cards and this woman I’m reading for, her name is Mari. I still remember. It’s in my first book, Born Knowing. She wanted to know about her career, her art, where was it going. It wasn’t really just a prediction thing. Just a little help on her schoolwork and her art where I saw what was developing. John Holland: And while I was reading for her, in my mind’s eye, Rose, or beside this client … She was a young girl. I saw an elderly woman. And her clothes didn’t match. Now, it’s not like the movies. It’s not like a mist happened. It was like I knew she was there, but she wasn’t there. It’s kind of hard to explain. John Holland: Her clothes didn’t match, and she was just pointing to her diamond. Just this older woman. And I’m looking at the woman, I’m looking at the client. I’m looking at the woman, I said, “Mari, there’s a lady beside you. Her clothes don’t match. I don’t know why I noticed that.” I said, “Her clothes don’t match, and she showed me a diamond ring.” John Holland: Well, she screamed, I screamed. She got up and hugged me. I hugged her and I said, “What was that?” And she said, “My great Aunt Ada who helped raise me was colorblind.” There’s the clothes and she said, “The diamond I’m wearing right here, John, is the ring she gave me that I inherited when she passed away.” So I said, “Okay, wait a minute. So, what is this?” John Holland: And then it started to happen more and more. Every time I went to do a reading for someone and would come their relatives. And I didn’t just take that, Rose. But think about it. If my first book came out in 2000, this happened about 2020, over 20 years ago. There wasn’t a lot of mediums. There wasn’t a lot of books. John Holland: So, I believe in synchronicity, Rose. I believe that when you follow … I’m all about the soul and all the abilities. When you follow what your soul is trying to tell you, doors open. So, I read every book I could on mediumship in Los Angeles. All the books that I could find were old books from England, the spiritualist in England. John Holland: Even though spiritualism started in the States, when I went to England, it stayed there and it went big. And I said, “Gee.” There were these old books of mediums’ lives from days gone by and I said, “Wow.” And I wasn’t really reading how to. I wanted to know why is this happening, how do these people live their lives, how do they deal with this. John Holland: So, two weeks into reading the books, I’m at a party, I step on a person’s foot. Remember, I did say, “If I could only go to England and study with these people.” Two weeks into reading these books, I’m at a party, I step on a person’s foot. Where are they from? From England. I stepped on this guy’s foot and he’s like, “Hello.” And I said, “Oh, are you Australian? Are you Irish?” And he’s like, “Oh, I’m British.” And I said, “Okay.” John Holland: I started talking and I got invited over. He had a space and one thing led to another and that’s when it all started. I went over there and studied for two and a half years with a spiritualist developing in a meditation. I went to the Arthur Findlay School, which is Stansted where they train mediums. I went to all the churches. I didn’t go to England to go look at the castles in London to go see the Queen. I knew I had a mission, and that’s how it started. One thing led to another and there you have it. John Holland: One thing led to another and a book. I mean six books, television, radio show. I never set out to do this work, but usually people who have ability of that strong, you’re going to see it as a kid. There’s some type of sign that something was happening there. But some people are born with a high potential for this work, and some people aren’t. John Holland: And by the way, I did say, let me just help you out. I did say psychic and mediumship. Let me just finish that sentence. So, a psychic, Rose, as I’m looking at you, I’m reading you, your past, your present, your potential future. I don’t think it’s all set in stone. John Holland: So, as I’m looking at you, I start just seeing some colors. So, I’m reading your aura. I’m not getting the information on the other side. When mediumship happens, I’m not with you anymore. People on the other side have to come through. So, psychics perceive, mediums receive. There is a difference. Rose: Absolutely. John Holland: And I had to learn the difference between both and I teach my students the difference, because it can be kind of hard to say, “Is this psychic, or is this mediumship?” But luckily, I got that education. When I went to England, they’re all about evidence. Evidence. You can’t give that foo-foo. “Oh, your mother is here. Your grandmother is here, she brushed …” They are very evidential mediums to prove the continuity of life, and that resonated with me, and that helped me so much. Rose: Absolutely. I think we need to set that. That sort of is testament to the number of … I don’t want to necessarily go down the frauds kind of path, but that is sort of rife in your industry, right? There’s a lot of people claiming that they have these abilities when they don’t. So, how would you … For our listeners, how would you suggest that they go into a reading? You don’t want to go in skeptical, but you also don’t want to go in … John Holland: Yeah. A couple of years ago, Hay House, my publisher called me. Everyone knows them usually. They said, “So, do you think you have another book in you?” I thought I was done. Because how many times can you say the dead or alive? How many times can you say it? So, I said, “Okay.” So, that was Hay House’s way of saying, “You really need to write a book.” John Holland: I said, “Well, what are people asking for right now?” If you notice, a lot of … There’s two words. There’s mediums popping up everywhere. The word empath is huge now, and the word soul. I said, “Okay.” I wrote the first part of Bridging Two Realms: Learn to Communicate with Your Loved Ones on the Other-Side. Four people who have about to lose someone, who have lost someone. John Holland: And from my 20 years of doing this work, I wrote about what happens before somebody passes away, during the process, and after. And then I go into … So, you are looking for a medium, and I always tell people, always word of mouth. And I break it down for the reader, and I also break it down, if you want to be a medium, this is what … With my education, this is what you should be doing. John Holland: I always tell people, Rose, go by word of mouth. The medium shouldn’t be asking you questions.Not like this. Sometimes I’ll ask a question, but it’s really a statement. If I said to you, Rose, “Did you lose a grandmother? Yes, I did. Oh, she’s right here.” John Holland: You just told me she passed away. The medium should be saying, “I feel a grandmother figure. I feel like she’s making me aware that she’s on your mother’s side. She’s talking about she has three daughters and your mother is one of them. A sibling of your mother’s that has passed, that’s with her.” Evidential. It’s okay to work with a medium, but it’s usually, “Yes, no, I don’t understand.” John Holland: And the medium may get something that they don’t understand. It’s okay, because people are afraid to talk sometimes. They’re like, “Can I say something?” I said, “Yes. As long as I gave you the evidence first.” It should be evidential. There’s all kinds of mediums. Some are very heart centered, some are in your face, and it shouldn’t be general. It shouldn’t be something like this. “I’m picking up someone who passed from cancer, who’s that?” I don’t know. You’re the medium. You tell me who it is. Do you see what I mean? John Holland: So, I can be a tough teacher. I can have fun with my students, and I can play with my audience only to keep the energy up, but it should be evidential. All right? Evidential. And not everyone is going to be the same in their work, but they should give who the person they’re linking with, what’s the relationship, how did they pass, and maybe what was the age that they pass, how long ago. And then more information should be coming. John Holland: If you are talkin…

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