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    The Catholic Culture Podcast

    In-depth discussions of all things Catholic – theology, art, history and more – featuring Thomas Mirus with a variety of notable guests.

    A production of CatholicCulture.org.

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    Episode 8: How to Stop Public Porn--Abriana Chilelli Jun 27, 2018
    Show notes

    Abriana Chilelli had to drive her children past a lewd strip club advertisement every day on their way home from school in downtown Denver. But instead of taking a fatalistic attitude and a detour, or worse, just accepting it, she got in touch with a city councilman and within days, the pornographic image was gone. We discuss her story and the lessons she learned about how we can still accomplish positive change in our communities, and the importance of teaching children the true meaning of their bodies.

    Links

    Abriana Chilelli https://twitter.com/AbrianaChilelli

    Book mentioned in interview: Good Pictures, Bad Pictures https://goo.gl/XHNJzn

    Book reviewed: A Bad Catholic's Essays on What's Wrong with the World by Marc Barnes https://amzn.to/2MZhQkl

    Sample essay https://www.firstthings.com/article/2017/08/make-hell-hot-again

    Marc Barnes's website https://bad-catholic.com/

    1979 Wise Blood film adaptation https://amzn.to/2yJjd3N

    Timestamps

    00:48 Book review: A Bad Catholic's Essays on What's Wrong with the World by Marc Barnes

    7:59 John Huston's film adaptation of Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood

    9:46 Abriana Chilelli interview

    10:50 The lewd advertisement on Abriana's commute home from her children's school

    15:07 Her attempts to get it taken down, and final success with help from a city councilman

    19:54 What she learned: Don't assume nothing can be done; the problem of Catholic fatalism and the need to be in the public square and build relationships

    22:00 Thomas's frustration at lewd public service ads on the NYC subway

    24:36 #MeToo and America's reckoning with the consumption of women's bodies

    26:06 Tact and truth: communicating your complaint in a way that accomplishes something

    30:53 Abriana's work as curriculum director for Catholic schools in the Archdiocese of Denver; how to teach children about the meaning of their bodies

    34:20 How pornography influences gender ideology

    36:03 This week's excerpt: Pope Francis, Amoris Laetitia, Ch. 4, p. 151 https://goo.gl/yLgtwU


    Episode 7: Inflation Is a Sin--Guido Hülsmann Jun 19, 2018
    Show notes

    It would not occur to most of us to imagine that monetary has a moral component. Catholic prelates are as silent about matters like fiat money, central banking and inflation and as are the secular ethicists. But the production of currency is not just a matter for the technocrats, and the Catholic tradition once had something to say on the topic. Economist Guido Hülsmann has combined the moral-economic analysis of the scholastics, particularly the 14th-century bishop Nicholas Oresme (who wrote that debauching the currency is worse than either usury or prostitution), with the insights of the Austrian school of economics in order to formulate an authentically Christian Ethics of Money Production for the modern age.

    Links:

    Guido Hülsmann's website http://www.guidohulsmann.com/

    Jörg Guido Hülsmann, The Ethics of Money Production: Buy https://amzn.to/2lifyQT or read for free https://mises.org/library/ethics-money-production

    Thomas's series of articles on Prof. Hülsmann's book https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=694

    Read Nicholas Oresme's De Moneta for free https://mises.org/library/de-moneta-nicholas-oresme-and-english-mint-documents

    Timestamps:

    3:13 Interview with Guido Hülsmann

    Part 1: Money and Banking

    3:51 Silence of Catholic social teaching on money production; using scholastic tradition, esp. Nicole Oresme, as a source

    5:38 What is the "Austrian school" of economics and why would the Catholic mind find it compelling?

    10:58 Competing definitions of money: commodity or sign?

    14:54 Origin and evolution of banking; from simple money warehousing to fractional reserve

    21:00 Varying origins of fractional reserve banking in Europe

    25:10 Absence of legal and contractual clarity throughout the history of fractional reserve banking; attempts by states to keep banks from going bankrupt leading to the creation of central banks

    Part 2: Inflation and Its Consequences

    34:53 Three unprecedented modern developments: the abandonment of precious metals, the imposition of fiat money, constant inflation

    40:19 The first economist was a scholastic: Bishop Oresme on inflation and the debasement of coinage

    48:56 Render to Caesar: does all money belong to the government? Oresme says governments may not alter previously existing moneys without the consent of the entire community

    50:54 Inflation worse than usury and prostitution according to Oresme; deceptive practices by governments

    54:01 Similar economic consequences of debasement of coinage and modern inflation: Enrichment of earliest recipients of new money at the expense of latest recipients

    57:54 A uniquely modern recurrence: the business cycle as a result of fractional reserve banking

    1:00:43 Central banks incentivizing commercial banks to irresponsible behavior leading to the 2008 financial crisis

    1:08:26 Cultural consequences of inflation: a debt-based economy, borrowing and investment prioritized over saving, materialism and short-term thinking

    1:12:45 This week's excerpts: Aristotle, Jean-Baptiste Say, Etienne Gilson


    Episode 6: 150 Years of Holy Preaching--Fr. John Maria Devaney, O.P. Jun 12, 2018
    Show notes

    The Dominicans have just celebrated the 150-year jubilee of their ministry on Manhattan's Upper East Side. Fr. John Maria Devaney, O.P., host of the Order's Word to Life program on Sirius XM, takes me through the history of the Dominicans in NYC (which involves quite a bit of history of the city itself). From Rose Hawthorne to Andy Warhol, it is a fascinating and grace-filled legacy.

    Links

    Word to Life, Fr. John's Sirius XM radio show https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/word-to-life/id1416667926

    Dominican Friars Province of St. Joseph https://opeast.org/category/word-to-life/

    The St. John Paul II Society https://www.stjohnpaul.org/

    The Angelic Warfare Confraternity http://www.angelicwarfareconfraternity.org/

    Book mentioned by Fr. John, Pioneer Priests and Makeshift Altars: A History of Catholicism in the Thirteen Colonies by Fr. Charles Connor https://amzn.to/2Mk6Iyo

    Timestamps

    2:17 Father John's background and call to the priesthood

    4:34 Parish missions: the beginnings of Dominican ministry in Manhattan in 1867; Catholic demographics in New York at the time

    14:57 The second church of St. Vincent Ferrer that was built after the arrival of more Irish immigrants; Dominican Sisters of St. Mary of the Springs start a school

    17:20 The English sisters who served poor immigrants and started the Dominican Sisters of Sparkill

    21:07 Aside on Bishop John Hughes, St. Elizabeth Ann Seton, and Dominican friars out West

    26:38 The first two bishops of New York were Dominican

    28:47 The gilded age of New York: opening the Priory of St. Vincent Ferrer and the Mission Church of St. Catherine of Siena

    35:07 The story of Rose Hawthorne and her founding of a community of Dominican sisters to care for poor cancer sufferers (the "Hawthorne Dominicans")

    41:54 Rose's cause for canonization and its importance in combatting assisted suicide; her connection to Sloan-Kettering and Dominican hospital work in NYC more generally

    47:48 The vital role of Dominican nuns and sisters

    49:44 The current St. Vincent Ferrer church built in Gothic style by the great architect Bertram Goodhue

    52:02 The stained-glass Aristotle window; his importance to the Dominicans

    56:15 Developments in the neighborhood since the 1950s

    57:39 Andy Warhol's attendance of St. Vincent Ferrer

    1:01:28 Catholicism in the public sphere and art circles in the mid-20th century

    1:03:42 The Dominican mission of influencing NYC as a cultural hub today; the Dominican contribution to Catholicism in the US is devotional life

    1:09:55 The Our Lady of Fatima statue at St. Vincent Ferrer which was sculpted by Fr. McGlynn under the direction of Sister Lucia, the piece of St. John Paul II's bloodstained cassock from when he was shot

    1:14:48 The importance of the rosary to Dominicans and all Catholics

    1:18:56 How Fr. Matthew Carroll got the sisters to wear their habits again

    1:27:36 This week's excerpt: Pope St. John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope


    Episode 5: Hospital Dreams—Chris Baker Jun 05, 2018
    Show notes

    One of the most creative rock bands around today is Virginia-based indie rock trio The Duskwhales. Drummer/singer Chris Baker joins me to talk about their new EP, Hospital Dreams, a set of melancholic, folky acoustic songs he wrote while battling cancer. In this episode I also discuss the Metropolitan Museum of Art's controversial Heavenly Bodies exhibit, and give a couple of movie recommendations.

    Links

    Listen to and purchase Hospital Dreams on Bandcamp https://theduskwhales.bandcamp.com/album/hospital-dreams

    My interview with The Duskwhales about their 2017 album Sorrowful Mysteries https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otc.cfm?id=1473

    Follow The Duskwhales on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/TheDuskwhales/

    Timestamps

    1:32 Heavenly Bodies exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum of Art

    Movie recommendations

    12:34 Babette's Feast

    15:28 A Quiet Place

    19:41 Chris Baker interview (songs used with permission)

    20:39 Song: "Hospital Dreams" by The Duskwhales

    24:32 The story behind Hospital Dreams: Chris's cancer

    27:41 Writing songs as a way of occupying time during chemo

    28:42 Song discussion: "Hospital Dreams"

    29:57 You can't spell the word "chemotherapy" without "mother": Mary in " All Her Wonder" and "Turn White"

    32:20 The band's first time self-recording

    33:56 Plans for a trilogy of albums

    35:20 Keyboardist Brian Majewski's departure and return

    36:10 Hospital Dreams cover art

    37:23 Chris's ill-fated but diverting Twitter campaign

    38:09 The Duskwhales' future

    39:02 Music Chris is currently listening to; influences on Hospital Dreams

    44:25 Weekly excerpt: Hans Urs von Balthasar


    Episode 4: The Marian Option - Carrie Gress May 22, 2018
    Show notes

    There is an easy, short, perfect and sure way to save our failing Western civilization that is often overlooked in the endless slew of books and articles penned by Catholic intellectuals: Turn to Mary. Carrie Gress's book The Marian Option: God's Solution to a Civilization in Crisis reminds us that in crisis after overwhelming civilizational crisis, Mary has saved the day when her children had the humility and simplicity to beg her for help. Our age is no different.

    In this episode, Carrie and I discuss The Marian Option, as well as her latest book, Marian Consecration for Children, the importance of women in the church, and the pernicious attempts by "Catholic feminists" to remake Mary in the image of Beyonce.

    Come, Holy Spirit! Mary, Mother of the Church, pray for us!

    Links:

    The Marian Option https://amzn.to/2IIYvSd

    Marian Consecration for Children https://amzn.to/2KHydju

    Carrie's blog, My Favorite Catholic Things https://myfavoritecatholicthings.com/

    Helena Daily https://www.helenadaily.com/

    Books on Marian consecration for adults:

    St. Louis de Montfort: True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin https://amzn.to/2IEn4zB

    Preparation for Total Consecration According to St. Louis de Montfort, Fr. Hugh Gillespie, S.M.M. https://amzn.to/2Lgqom1

    33 Days to Morning Glory, Fr. Michael E. Gaitley, M.I.C. https://amzn.to/2KKnZ1Q

    Other books mentioned:

    The World's First Love, Ven. Fulton J. Sheen https://amzn.to/2IDocU9

    Jesus and His Mother, Fr. Andre Feuillet (out of print) https://amzn.to/2s17cQA

    Ultimate Makeover: The Transforming Power of Motherhood, Carrie Gress https://amzn.to/2KJ7LGh

    Timestamps:

    Carrie Gress interview

    2:55 Carrie's book panned by wacky individual

    4:15 Origin of The Marian Option—nothing wrong with Benedict, but Mary is more powerful, central and directly relevant to contemporary challenges

    9:17 The big picture of Mary's influence on world history; Mary's influence on the Battle of New Orleans

    10:12 Little-known intercontinental links between Marian events; example: Our Lady of Guadalupe in the Reconquista, the conversation of Mexico and the Battle of Lepanto

    15:26 Why the Marian Option is not just an option

    17:15 How cultures flourish under Mary

    18:41 Why Catholic intellectuals look to their own pet projects to save the West and not to Mary; hang-ups about private revelation; the limits of argumentation

    26:01 Carrie's new book, Marian Consecration for Children; giving children a sense of their mission here and now

    37:01 The influence of women on culture

    40:15 The importance of women, feminine spirituality and the Church as feminine vs. modern "feminization" of the Church

    47:10 The attempts by "Catholic feminists" to make their own Mary

    53:54 "Equal" is not a useful word

    55:09 Women are demonstrably unhappier under today's model of womanhood

    57:30 Sts. John Paul II and Edith Stein on feminism

    1:00:59 The dangers of trying to create Catholic versions of ideologies

    1:02:48 Carrie's new content aggregate site for Catholic women, Helena Daily

    1:07:00 Books on Marian consecration for adults

    1:10:24 This week's excerpt: Ven. Fulton J. Sheen

    This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio


    Episode 3: Native American Catholicism & the New Evangelization--Peter Jesserer Smith May 16, 2018
    Show notes

    The history of Catholicism in the native American nations is little known, but is rife with lessons for lay spirituality, inculturation, and the New Evangelization. Today's guest, journalist Peter Jesserer Smith, shares some of the holy treasures of American history, such as Joseph Chiwatenhwa and Marie Aonetta, the Huron "power couple" of evangelization, and the martyrs (numbering over a thousand) of the La Florida missions.

    Links

    Homily of Pope St. John Paul II at the Martyrs' Shrine (Huronia) on Saturday, 15 September 1984 https://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/homilies/1984/documents/hf_jp-ii_hom_19840915_santuario-huronia.html

    Friends of God: The Early Native Huron Church in Canada, by Bruce Henry (tells the story of Joseph Chiwatenhwa and Marie Aonetta) http://www.wyandot.org/friendsofgod.htm

    Eustace Ahasistari, Catholic Huron warrior, as described by Jesuit missionaries https://books.google.com/books?id=xqRBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA252&lpg=PA252&dq=Eustace+Ahasistari&source=bl&ots=7ifewQvpp4&sig=1sIn-WpAEKEBgaaEQOhwVvJDkfk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjehPf5ku_aAhWMnOAKHU7dDzYQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=Eustace%20Ahasistari&f=false

    Articles by Peter Jesserer Smith

    America's first paths of holiness: Lives of indigenous saints and martyrs https://angelusnews.com/content/america-s-first-paths-of-holiness-lives-of-indigenous-saints-and-martyrs

    Hundreds of Martyrs Sow the Seeds of Faith in the United States http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/north-american-martyrs-sow-the-seeds-of-faith-in-the-new-world

    St. Kateri Tekakwitha: Our Saint for All Seasons http://www.angelusnews.com/articles/st-kateri-tekakwitha-our-saint-for-all-seasons

    A holy marriage gave the Church a community of native saints, and St. Kateri Tekakwitha http://www.angelusnews.com/articles/a-holy-marriage-gave-the-church-a-community-of-native-saints-and-st-kateri-tekakwitha

    St. Kateri and the Four Holy Martyrs from Kahnawake http://www.angelusnews.com/articles/st-kateri-and-the-four-holy-martyrs-from-kahnawake

    A proven path to holiness: Mentoring a saint https://angelusnews.com/content/a-proven-path-to-holiness-mentoring-a-saint

    Cause Opens for Nicholas Black Elk, Holy Man of the Lakota http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/cause-opens-for-nicholas-black-elk-holy-man-of-the-lakota

    Timestamps:

    Peter Jesserer Smith interview

    3:25 Why is native American Catholic history and culture important for the New Evangelization?

    6:37 St. John Paul II's 1984 address at the Martyr's Shrine in Huronia

    7:35 What were the missionaries impressed with in native American cultures? What aspects of native cultures resonated with the Gospel? In the Great Lakes region: family-based societies, devotion to the Creator

    11:29 The lay missionary power couple of the Huron: Joseph Chiwatenhwa (a convert of St. Jean de Brebeuf) and his wife Marie Aonetta

    13:51 Native American societies were set up almost more like the United States than like Europe, so the old European model of "convert the king and the people will follow" was and is obsolete

    16:16 More on Joseph and Marie. Women have a lot of authority in Native societies in this region, so Marie's active involvement in evangelization is essential

    20:35 Hostility from some natives because Jesuits inadvertently brought disease, leading to Chiwatenhwa's martyrdom

    32:02 Joseph Chiwatenhwa was the first lay parish administrator in Canada; Native converts' devotion to the Eucharist, the Liturgy of the Hours, and the Rosary

    34:18 Not everything in Huron culture was compatible with the Catholic faith. What would it have meant to be a Huron warrior who was also a Christian? Example: Eustace Ahasistari

    40:00 Funny—well, it's interesting—it's not hilarious—story about Eustace Ahasistari's and St. Isaac Jogue's very different responses to torture

    44:35 Reasons why these native Catholics have not been canonized; their continuing relevance

    47:30 Ritual adoption and how it helped transmit the Gospel between tribes and nations—all the way to St. Kateri Tekakwitha; the importance of preserving the languages which spread the faith

    52:38 The hundreds of martyrs of the La Florida missions

    59:04 The lead martyr, Antonio Cuipa

    1:11:18 The lessons of inculturation in native American nations are increasingly relevant at a time when more and more American Catholic thinkers are questioning the foundations of our country and proposing various alternatives

    1:12:14 This week's excerpt: Mary Shelley, Frankenstein


    Episode 2: The Largest Civil Disobedience Movement in U.S. History--Bill Cotter & Phil Lawler May 08, 2018
    Show notes

    Operation Rescue is the largest civil disobedience movement in American history. It even dwarfs the civil rights movement, with over fifty thousand people having been arrested between 1988 and 1992 for nonviolently blockading abortion clinics. Yet most people, even most Catholics, don't know the story. On the rare occasions when it has been covered by the media, it has been falsely and laughably portrayed as violent and extremist.

    Today's episode is something of an oral history of Operation Rescue, told by Bill Cotter, head of OR Boston, who spent 19 months in prison for his involvement with the protests. You'll also hear from CatholicCulture.org's own Phil Lawler, who provided the public face of OR Boston while Bill was in jail, and also wrote a book about the movement in 1992.

    Links

    Phil Lawler's book, Operation Rescue: A Challenge to the Nation's Conscience https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Rescue-Challenge-Nations-Conscience/dp/0879735066

    Operation Rescue Boston http://orboston.org/

    Operation Rescue national website http://www.operationrescue.org/

    Footage of police brutality against Rescuers during the "Summer of Mercy", in which tens of thousands of pro-lifers flocked to Wichita and thousands were arrested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSPto_gQ5CU

    Footage of L.A. police breaking a Rescuer's arm with nunchucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6H-8_VE6Oc

    Timestamps:

    Bill Cotter interview

    3:00 Description of a rescue

    6:49 Tactics to delay police from dragging people away

    10:13 Factors that kept Operation Rescue from continuing to operate as a mass movement blockading abortion clinics after its heyday in the late 80s and early 90s: court injunctions, most people unwilling to go to jail for longer than a weekend

    12:07 Most of the people involved were not activist types and the rescues were not demonstrations. They had a specific concrete goal: on that day, at that time, in that place, to prevent babies from being killed

    14:31 According to Phil Lawler's book Operation Rescue, in between 1988 and 1992 over 50,000 Rescuers had been arrested—about six times as many arrests as during the entire civil rights movement! So why don't more people know about OR? (Need I have asked?)

    17:00 Lack of support and even hostility from some Catholic clergy today towards pro-life movement

    18:19 Police brutality against Rescuers in West Hartford, CT and elsewhere

    22:22 Bill spent 19 months in jail

    27:15 Mixed response to OR in Boston

    29:19 The genesis of OR; the early days; getting more and more attention

    34:06 Bill's participation in Rescues outside Boston; Rescues accompanying St. JPII's visit to the US in 1987; the Summer of Mercy in Wichita

    37:39 What is OR doing today?

    39:54 Is it true that the young people are becoming more pro-life?

    42:05 Learning about Operation Rescue is a challenge to our complacency and desensitization to the continued toleration of abortion. Why shouldn't I be in jail right now?

    47:51 Importance of prayer

    49:28 How people can learn more and get involved with OR

    50:31 Current signs of hope for the pro-life movement; eschatological hope

    Phil Lawler interview

    55:12 How Phil got involved with Operation Rescue

    56:35 His first impression of OR people

    57:52 Phil was the public face of OR Boston while Bill Cotter was in jail

    58:47 Being arrested

    59:55 Phil's interactions with the media on behalf of OR, personal experience of media bias

    1:02:00 How the archdiocese of Boston treated OR

    1:04:07 The media and others routinely accused OR of violence; Ted Kennedy made a speech saying OR had "a policy of firebombing and even murder"(!!!)

    1:04:59 The optimism of the pro-life movement at this time

    1:07:52 The draconian penalties judges imposed on the protesters

    1:10:24 Why do so few Catholics know about OR?

    1:11:02 Couldn't the Rescuers have called the bluff on these long prison sentences and brought the whole thing to a standstill? Phil gives his own personal answer

    1:13:27 Joan Andrews, the Dorothy Day of the modern pro-life movement; today's Red Rose Rescues

    1:15:20 This week's excerpt: Pope Benedict XVI, Deus Caritas Est


    Episode 1: A Working Actor's Working Faith--Tony Mockus, Sr. May 01, 2018
    Show notes

    Tony Mockus, Sr. has been Catholic his entire life, and an actor for almost as long. He has worked with countless great performers including Henry Fonda, Elizabeth Montgomery, Robert De Niro and Kevin Costner. In this interview he discusses his seven decades on the stage and screen, the life-changing experience of being wounded in Korea, the role of the Holy Spirit in artistic performance, and his love of St. Anthony.

    Tony Mockus, Sr. on IMDB https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0595166/ (note that some of Tony's roles have been mistakenly logged on his son's page https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0595165/)

    Timestamps:

    Tony Mockus, Sr. interview

    4:54 How Tony prepared to play St. Paul in the Truth & Life Dramatized Audio Bible

    7:24 Spiritual wake-up call: wounded by a mine in Korea

    13:30 The Holy Spirit at work in an actor's performance

    23:14 Life with St. Anthony

    26:39 Tony's early years in Cicero, Illinois; digression into the decline of the variety show and the nature of Northern Virginia culture

    31:25 A Jesuit priest at Tony's high school forces him to try acting, with great success

    36:44 Tony and Thomas both played the lead role in The Man Who Came to Dinner as high school seniors, several decades apart, but Tony's production also included a teenaged Bob Newhart

    39:00 Tony's first professional acting jobs as a teen

    43:22 The spiritual influence of Tony's mother and grandmother

    46:12 Traveling in the show Mr. Roberts, with castmates like Henry Fonda; Tony's formation from his Jesuit education and mother and grandmother allowed him to discern what to embrace and what to avoid in the traveling show business lifestyle

    48:50 A brief move to New York, then back to Chicago where he starts to work as a leading man and gets married

    53:19 Evangelical work for radio with the Pacific Garden Mission in Chicago

    56:52 Keeping one's moral integrity in choosing roles

    59:17 Tony starts working in film and television

    62:17 The fun of playing the bad guy

    63:07 The Untouchables (1987): Working for director Brian De Palma; funny story about Robert De Niro

    1:11:29 Two great actresses Tony worked with; generosity and professionalism on set

    1:15:15 A funny David Mamet story; politics in theatre

    1:20:12 Retirement

    1:21:32 Acting with his son, Tony Mockus, Jr.; advice to young Catholics who want to be actors

    1:25:08 This week's excerpts: J. R. R. Tolkien, Jacques Maritain


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