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    The Best SEO Podcast

    AI-Driven Visibility. Real-World Impact.

    Getting found, named and cited by AI search.

    Running since 2009. Over 5 million downloads. The same question the whole time: what is actually working right now, and what only sounds like it is.

    Matthew Bertram hosts. He owns and leads EWR Digital in Houston, so none of this is theory. It is what he is seeing in client work every week.

    The shift is not that buyers use AI. It is that a model now decides which companies get mentioned at all, and most executives cannot see whether theirs is one of them. Ranking was something you could measure. Being named is not, yet, and that gap is where the risk sits.

    Every week: operators, analysts and specialists who have run the thing they are talking about. What still works, what quietly stopped working, and what to do on Monday.

    If you run a marketing team, run a company, or you are building your own name, this one is for you. Because if the models cannot find you, your buyers will not either.

    The show explains it. EWR Digital does it. Get a free AI visibility audit at ewrdigital.com/ai-visibility-audit, or find more from Matthew at matthewbertram.com.

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    Entity SEO In The Age Of AI Oct 04, 2026
    Show notes

    The customer journey isn't a straight line anymore, and last-click attribution may be giving marketers the wrong picture of what's actually driving revenue.

    Matthew Bertram sits down with Carol Larson of Marketstorm to explore how AI, changing buyer behavior, fragmented platforms, and longer decision cycles are reshaping digital marketing. They break down Google's "messy middle," the difference between creating influence and capturing existing demand, and why the channel that gets the final click shouldn't automatically get all the credit.

    Carol shares insights from tracking longer customer journeys, including why marketers may need much longer attribution windows and why constantly changing campaigns can interrupt the learning that makes advertising more effective. They also discuss behavioral targeting, ad fatigue, creative consistency, entity SEO, and how AI Overviews are changing the way brands need to think about search visibility.

    The conversation ultimately comes back to a bigger shift: marketers need to understand how people actually discover, research, remember, and choose brands across the entire journey, not just what happened immediately before the conversion.

    • why “ditch the last click” matters more now than in 2015
    • entity consistency across website, profiles, aggregators, and forums to prevent AI confusion
    • the customer journey collapsing into streaming, scrolling, searching, and shopping
    • influence layer versus demand capture layer and why Google is the cashier
    • cleaner data, UTMs, and CRM linkage to defend SEO and marketing spend
    • long-tail decision timelines and why 30-day lookbacks miss the real story
    • using moving averages to report marketing performance on the right horizon
    • mid-funnel creative that explains the why, not just the logo
    • why constant ad refresh can reset learning and raise costs
    • persona targeting versus behavioral targeting and where waste shows up
    • AI Overviews and conversational search pushing SEO toward “thoughts,” not keywords
    Guest Contact Information:

    Carole Lawson

    Website: marketstorm.ai

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/caroleslawson

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast.

    Free SEO Consultation: https://www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.

    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.

    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

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    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

    Connect With Matthew Bertram:

    Website: www.matthewbertram.com

    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live

    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

    Powered by: ewrdigital.com

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    Why Your AI Is Acting Like A Junior Developer Sep 27, 2026
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    Using AI is one thing. Building an entire system around it is another.

    Matthew Bertram sits down with returning guest Richard Valentine and Hector Herrera for a deep technical conversation about how AI power users are moving beyond individual prompts and building their own AI architecture, specialized agent teams, memory systems, workflows, and internal infrastructure.

    They explore model drift, token management, specialized AI teams, scheduled learning, memory decay, human approval systems, and why AI shouldn't necessarily remember everything. The conversation also goes inside the challenge of transforming an organization from having a handful of AI power users to becoming truly AI-first.

    The discussion then turns to privacy, on-premise AI, security, credential management, deepfakes, impersonation, and the growing importance of controlling the infrastructure businesses increasingly depend on. Finally, they bring it back to marketing and SEO, exploring how AI systems can connect Search Console, analytics, trends, and other data sources to create feedback loops that continuously adapt marketing decisions to what audiences are actually doing.

    • rebrand updates and why we’re building a broader SEO and AI community resource
    • why Claude can get “nitpicky” and how model behavior changes break workflows
    • token management, subagent sprawl, and rules for routing tasks to the right model
    • Hector’s “teams” approach with doctrines, routing, scheduled learning, and change logs
    • memory decay, relevance scoring, and crystallization for keeping knowledge accurate over time
    • AI-first adoption inside organizations, consistency across tools, and reducing “islands” of usage
    • personas in Slack and email assistants, including permissioned execution and critical-system guardrails
    • on-prem and private setups for regulated industries, resilience, and avoiding vendor lock-in
    • security protocols like redaction, vaulting secrets, daily scrubs, and minimizing human error
    • deepfakes, propaganda, impersonation risk, and why EEAT signals matter more than ever
    please leave an honest review, uh, how we're doing.
    Guest Contact Information:

    Richard Valentine

    Website: richardvalentine.dev

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/richard-l-valentine

    Hector Herrera

    Website: hexaisystems.com

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/hector-herrera

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast.

    Free SEO Consultation: https://www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.

    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.

    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

    bestseopodcast.com

    bestseopodcast.buzzsprout.com

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

    Connect With Matthew Bertram:

    Website: www.matthewbertram.com

    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live

    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

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    GEO Vs SEO In The AI Era With Callum Kennard Sep 20, 2026
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    SEO strategies that worked five years ago may actually be holding brands back today. Matthew Bertram sits down with Calum Kennard, Head of Sales at ClickSlice, to explore how Google and AI search are changing what it takes to earn visibility, trust, and conversions online.

    They break down stale and duplicate content, authorship and entity signals, information gain, topical authority, and why e-commerce brands may be better served focusing SEO efforts on category and collection pages rather than individual product pages. They also explore the difference between making a website GEO-friendly and actually optimizing for AI search, along with the growing attribution challenge as buyers increasingly research brands through ChatGPT, AI Overviews, social platforms, and other channels.

    Guest Contact Information:

    Website: https://www.clickslice.co.uk/

    LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/callum-kennard

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast

    Free SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.

    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.

    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

    bestseopodcast.com

    bestseopodcast.buzzsprout.com

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

    Connect With Matthew Bertram:

    Website: www.matthewbertram.com

    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live

    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

    Powered by: ewrdigital.com

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    When ChatGPT Picks Winners, Who Counts As An Expert Sep 13, 2026
    Show notes

    AI search is changing what it means to build visibility online. Matthew Bertram sits down with Matt Emgi to explore the evolving relationship between SEO, AEO, and LLM visibility, including why authority, entity associations, consensus signals, and brand presence are becoming increasingly important.

    They break down digital PR, original research, Reddit marketing, link building, attribution, automation, and the strategies SaaS and B2B companies can use to turn search visibility into measurable business growth.


    • separating SEO and AEO budgets without losing the core strategy
    • treating LLMs as a new layer, not a replacement for SEO
    • building entity associations and clean categorization signals
    • leaning into E-E-A-T, authorship, and third-party verification
    • using “consensus” across relevant publications to reduce risk
    • choosing visibility targets with AI citation data, not vibes
    • avoiding Reddit astroturfing and focusing on real community building
    • tracking the full funnel with attribution, CRO, and CRM visibility
    • earning durable links through original research and credible PR
    • building partnerships that create co-citations and a digital trail
    • adding guardrails to automation and agentic workflows
    • SaaS actions that prioritize best leads and lifetime value
    Guest Contact Information:

    Website: emgigroup.com
    YouTube: youtube.com/GoEmgi
    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/matt-emgi

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast

    Free SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.
    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility® Stack, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.
    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast
    bestseopodcast.com
    bestseopodcast.buzzsprout.com

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

    Connect With Matthew Bertram:

    Website: www.matthewbertram.com
    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live
    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

    Powered by: ewrdigital.com

    Support the show


    Personal Branding For AI Search Aug 30, 2026
    Show notes

    We talk with Karen Tiber Leland about how AI search changes personal branding, rebranding, and what it takes to stay findable when machines summarize the internet for your customers. We break down how to pick a canonical name, reduce mixed signals across channels, and decide whether you need a full rebrand or a focused re-up.

    • Choosing one canonical form of your name and using it everywhere to reduce identity collision
    • Buying the right domain and cleaning up scattered online data for better AI and Google understanding
    • Defining rebrand versus re-up and spotting the different ways brands drift
    • Cutting noise in messaging so AI can classify your expertise with confidence
    • Why specialization is coming back and why “everybody” is not a target market
    • How executive branding impacts trust for investors, clients, and employees
    • Handling public criticism as a leader and planning for the crisis continuum
    • Brand refresh pressure points for new brands versus legacy companies that feel behind
    • Industries most disrupted by AI and how service firms can adapt without losing trust
    • Disclosing how you use AI and keeping humans in the loop for quality and accountability
    • The micro changes worth watching, including pricing transparency and AI-driven discoverability
    • Where to find Karen, including KarenLeland.com and SterlingMarketingGroup.com and her book Brand Mapping Strategy

    Guest Contact Information:

    Website: sterlingmarketinggroup.com
    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/karenleland

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast

    Free SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.
    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility® Stack, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.
    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

    bestseopodcast.com

    Rate the show in your podcast app. Apple ratings are how new listeners decide whether to press play — an honest one takes about thirty seconds. Steps for iPhone, Mac and Spotify:
    www.bestseopodcast.com/review

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

    Connect With Matthew Bertram:

    Website: www.matthewbertram.com

    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live

    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

    Powered by: ewrdigital.com


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    Better Conversion Goals In Google Ads Aug 23, 2026
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    We get back to paid ads fundamentals and why AI automation only works when we set clear, revenue-connected conversion goals. We share practical ways to define personas, protect lead quality, and build landing pages that help Google Ads learn what “good” actually looks like.

    • goal-first thinking for Google Ads and paid social automation
    • common conversion tracking mistakes that burn budget
    • building multiple personas and matching each to the right channel
    • avoiding spam traffic on Display and filtering low-quality leads
    • why gradual budget changes beat turning campaigns on and off
    • budget planning using CPC estimates and minimum lead volume
    • lead scoring methods that feed better data back to ad platforms
    • landing pages as single-purpose conversion tools with cleaner tracking
    • funnel strategy beyond one-shot high-intent clicks
    Guest Contact Information:

    Website: factorfour.com

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/jeffcoleman

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast

    Free SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.
    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility® Stack, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.
    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

    bestseopodcast.com

    Rate the show in your podcast app. Apple ratings are how new listeners decide whether to press play — an honest one takes about thirty seconds. Steps for iPhone, Mac and Spotify:
    www.bestseopodcast.com/review

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

    Connect With Matthew Bertram:

    Website: www.matthewbertram.com

    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live

    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

    Powered by: ewrdigital.com


    Support the show


    Digital PR For AI Search Aug 16, 2026
    Show notes

    AI watermarking and AI search make third-party trust the new battleground for SEO and brand visibility. Host, Matthew Bertram, talks with Austin Holmes about how digital PR, reviews, and consistent profiles can turn your business into the default recommendation.


    • why off-page SEO and third-party citations carry outsized weight in AI-driven search
    • how Claude watermarking and AI content detection push brands toward real human signals
    • building entity authority with uniform bios, consistent messaging, and credible media mentions
    • the truth about PR ROI, backlink quality, and why cheap link volume can hurt
    • earned media basics that get missed, including speed to lead and showing up prepared
    • real outcomes from PR consistency, from investor leads to acquisitions to recurring TV spots

    Guest Contact Information:

    Website: publicityforgood.com
    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/aaustinholmes

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast

    Free SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.
    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility® Stack, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.
    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

    bestseopodcast.com

    Rate the show in your podcast app. Apple ratings are how new listeners decide whether to press play — an honest one takes about thirty seconds. Steps for iPhone, Mac and Spotify:
    www.bestseopodcast.com/review

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

    Connect With Matthew Bertram:

    Website: www.matthewbertram.com

    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live

    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

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    Support the show


    When PR Meets SEO Jul 26, 2026
    Show notes

    We dig into how podcasting, digital PR, and SEO now reinforce each other, especially as AI search tools pull answers from trusted third-party sources. We also share practical ways to turn press and interviews into long-term visibility while staying grounded when attention brings criticism.

    • why early podcasting works as a relationship builder and business flywheel
    • how press placements create credibility and authoritative backlinks
    • what “AI visibility” means for brands in ChatGPT style search
    • ways to repurpose podcast interviews into clips, blogs, email, YouTube, and niche groups
    • how to respond to bad reviews and shift the narrative without spiraling
    • why PR agencies and SEO agencies should collaborate for durable results
    • how to build a visibility roadmap through messaging, visuals, and personal brand consistency
    • common media pitching mistakes, especially generic AI written outreach without research
    • how a print on demand magazine can still be a smart networking channel
    Guest Contact Information:

    Website: nextonscene.com

    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/jaclyn-zukerman-delory

    Instagram: instagram.com/jackiezuk

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast

    Free SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.
    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility® Stack, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.
    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

    bestseopodcast.com

    Rate the show in your podcast app. Apple ratings are how new listeners decide whether to press play — an honest one takes about thirty seconds. Steps for iPhone, Mac and Spotify:
    www.bestseopodcast.com/review

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

    Connect With Matthew Bertram:

    Website: www.matthewbertram.com

    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live

    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

    Powered by: ewrdigital.com

    Support the show


    SEO Works If You Measure The Right Things Jul 19, 2026
    Show notes

    We get brutally honest about why traffic is a vanity metric and how SEO only earns budget when it ties to real business outcomes. We lay out the data and reporting foundation you need to walk into the C-suite with confidence, even when attribution is messy and timelines are long.

    • separating vanity metrics from revenue-driving KPIs
    • building the business case for SEO with CFO-ready numbers
    • fixing data quality in Google Analytics and conversion tracking
    • enforcing CRM hygiene so leads can become pipeline and revenue
    • choosing KPIs for lead generation vs ecommerce models
    • setting expectations with leading vs lagging indicators for SEO
    • funding the messy middle and mapping the full buying funnel
    • aligning sales and marketing to improve lead quality and content
    Guest Contact Information:

    Website: unframeddigital.com
    LinkedIn: linkedin.com/magsswift

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast

    Free SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.
    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility® Stack, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.
    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

    bestseopodcast.com

    Rate the show in your podcast app. Apple ratings are how new listeners decide whether to press play — an honest one takes about thirty seconds. Steps for iPhone, Mac and Spotify:
    www.bestseopodcast.com/review

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
    LinkedIn: @bestseopodcast

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    Website: www.matthewbertram.com

    Instagram: @matt_bertram_live

    LinkedIn: @mattbertramlive

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    Traffic Times Conversion Equals Customers Jun 22, 2026
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    Join us for a special episode hosted by Geoff Campbell who is standing in for Matt Bertram, we focus on the part of marketing most teams ignore: turning existing traffic into real phone calls, form fills, and sales. We break down a simple conversion framework, why dynamic website messaging works, and how to think about proof, positioning, and AI search as buyer behavior changes.
    • traffic times conversion rate equals customers as the core lens for SEO and CRO
    • treating an agency website as proof of competence and a trust signal
    • the “practice what you preach” mistake that costs agencies better clients
    • the reality of wearing every hat and why teams and cash flow matter
    • productizing a service into SaaS by solving our own lead generation problem
    • fixing the “blocked toilet” problem before buying more traffic
    • answering four questions fast: who you are, what you do, why choose you, how to contact you
    • using dynamic messaging by time, intent, and customer situation to lift conversions
    • adding specials, testimonials, video, and clear calls to action without clutter
    • building attribution with codes and tracking to learn what really drives leads
    • scaling SaaS with proof first, then outbound, ads, and partner channels
    • narrowing the ICP to high-traffic, lead-driven, high-value businesses
    • using design and presuasion to match the buyer you want
    • simplifying pages like a movie teaser so skimmers become readers
    • watching AI search emerge as a new visibility layer on top of SEO

    Guest Contact Information:

    Website: irwinhau.com

    LinkedIn: au.linkedin.com/in/irwinhau

    Instagram: instagram.com/haudoyoudo

    More from EWR and Matthew:

    Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Podcast

    Free SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-call

    With over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online.
    Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility® Stack, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability.
    Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve.

    Find more episodes here:

    youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcast

    bestseopodcast.com

    Rate the show in your podcast app. Apple ratings are how new listeners decide whether to press play — an honest one takes about thirty seconds. Steps for iPhone, Mac and Spotify:
    www.bestseopodcast.com/review

    Follow us on:

    Facebook: @bestseopodcast
    Instagram: @thebestseopodcast
    Tiktok: @bestseopodcast
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