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    Technology

    Tech Won’t Save Us

    Silicon Valley wants to shape our future, but why should we let it? Every Thursday, Paris Marx is joined by a new guest to critically examine the tech industry, its big promises, and the people behind them. Tech Won’t Save Us challenges the notion that tech alone can drive our world forward by showing that separating tech from politics has consequences for us all, especially the most vulnerable. It’s not your usual tech podcast.

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    Latest Episodes:
    The Injury Crisis in Amazon Warehouses w/ Will Evans Nov 19, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Will Evans to discuss how excessive productivity targets are causing high rates of injury at Amazon warehouses, how executives have misled the public about the problem, and what that suggests about the impacts of the company’s “customer obsession.”
    Will Evans is a reporter at Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting. Read his investigation about Amazon’s safety crisis. Follow Will on Twitter as @willCIR.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.
    Read the plan for the future of the show and supporter benefits on Patreon.
    Find out more about Harbinger Media Network and follow it on Twitter as @harbingertweets.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Paris reflected on what Will’s investigation suggested about the relationship between consumerism and workers’ rights for NBC News.
    • Will did an earlier investigation about safety (or the lack thereof) at Tesla.
    • Brian Merchant wrote an “op-ed from the future” looking at how technology hides the harm to workers in a fictional fully automated Amazon warehouse.

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    How Video Games are Shaped by Capitalism w/ Daniel Joseph Nov 12, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Daniel Joseph to discuss the relationship between video games and capitalism, how the gaming experience has become increasingly commercialized, and what the new consoles — Xbox Series X|S and Playstation 5 — herald for the future of the industry.
    Daniel Joseph is a Senior Lecturer of Digital Sociology at Manchester Metropolitan University. Read his articles for Real Life about video games and capitalism and platformization, and for Briarpatch about what better platforms might look like. Follow Daniel on Twitter as @DanjoKaz00ie.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.
    ** Support the show on Patreon and read the plan for the future.
    Find out more about Harbinger Media Network and follow it on Twitter as @harbingertweets.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • “If Xbox is Netflix, then Playstation is cinema” by Christopher Dring at GamesIndustry.biz
    • How PS4 better positioned itself against Xbox One, including a short video about trading games
    • Nintendo was charged with price fixing in the 1990s in the United States and Europe
    • In 2015, Valve and Bethesda had to backtrack on plans to commercialize modding
    • 53% of PS4 game sales were digital in 2019. That grew to 74% in the early part of 2020.
    • David Nieborg and Thomas Poell’s work on platforms; Sarah Grimes’ work on commercialization of children’s gaming; the App Studies Initiative; and T.L. Taylor’s “Watch Me Play: Twitch and the Rise of Game Live Streaming”

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    Jobs Suck, But Not Because of Automation w/ Aaron Benanav Nov 05, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Aaron Benanav to discuss why jobs are getting worse because the economy’s slowing down, not because technology is speeding up, and why that requires a vision of post-scarcity centered around human relationships instead of technological change.
    Aaron Benanav is an economic historian and social theorist. He is a post-doctoral researcher at Humboldt University of Berlin and author of “Automation and the Future of Work.” Follow Aaron on Twitter as @abenanav.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.
    Find out more about Harbinger Media Network and follow it on Twitter as @harbingertweets.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Prop 22 passed in California, stopping gig workers from becoming employees
    • Paris explains the limits of a basic income, how Aaron’s book helps us think about the future, and the problems with luxury communism
    • Aaron explains why automation isn’t wiping out jobs
    • Aaron’s science fiction reading list: “The Dispossessed,” “The Word for World is Forest,” and “Always Coming Home” by Ursula K. Le Guin; “Red Star” by Alexander Bogdanov; “Hard to be a God” and “Noon: 22nd Century” by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky; “News from Nowhere” by William Morris; “Looking Backward” by Edward Bellamy; “The Conquest of Bread” by Peter Kropotkin; “Trouble on Triton” by Samuel R. Delaney; “Star Maker” by Olaf Stapledon; and “Utopia” by Thomas Moore.

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    Section 230 Protects Free Expression Online w/ Evan Greer Oct 29, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Evan Greer to discuss Republican and Democratic desires to amend or revoke Section 230, why the proposals won’t solve problems with Big Tech, and the international implications of US decisions about moderation.
    Evan Greer is an activist, musician, and writer. She is the deputy director at Fight for the Future, which is currently running campaigns to protect Section 230 called Save Online Free Speech and to ban facial recognition technology. Follow Evan on Twitter as @evan_greer.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.
    Find out more about Harbinger Media Network and follow it on Twitter as @harbingertweets.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Evan wrote about the problems with algorithmic amplification for Wired
    • There is no anti-conservative bias on social media and Facebook’s algorithms connected extremists with hate groups
    • Facebook removes the accounts of anti-government activists internationally and an internal memo by a former employee says it doesn’t care about its impacts if Western media won’t find out about it
    • SESTA/FOSTA made life harder for sex workers, but has also empowered a movement for decriminalization
    • Zoom deleted meetings discussing its own censorship

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    What Rural China Teaches Us About the Future of Tech w/ Xiaowei Wang Oct 22, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Xiaowei Wang to discuss how technology is being used to connect rural China to global supply chains, what that means for life and work in those communities, and how China also holds inspiration for a different way of organizing production and technological development.
    Xiaowei Wang is a technologist, artist, and writer. They are the creative director at Logic Magazine and author of “Blockchain Chicken Farm: And Other Stories of Tech in China’s Countryside.” Follow Xiaowei on Twitter as @xrw.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.
    Find out more about Harbinger Media Network and follow it on Twitter as @harbingertweets. You can also find out more about 49th Parahell on its website.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • How China’s Sanlu milk scandal shattered trust in the food system
    • Garrett Hardin, who came up with the tragedy of the commons, was a racist, eugenicist, nativist, and Islamophobe — and those ideas are baked into the concept
    • Elinor Ostrom won the Nobel Prize in Economics for her work on the governance of commons, rebuking Hardin’s ideas
    • Xiaowei wrote about the Chinese concept of “shanzhai” provides a vision of an open-source future of technological development

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    Why Google’s Ad Business Could Implode w/ Tim Hwang Oct 15, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Tim Hwang to discuss how digital ad markets became financialized, why Google and Facebook have an incentive to hide how poorly digital ads actually work, and how a financial bubble in digital advertising could usher in a better future of the internet.
    Tim Hwang is a writer, researcher, and former global public policy lead for artificial intelligence and machine learning at Google. He is also the author of “Subprime Attention Crisis: Advertising and the Time Bomb at the Heart of the Internet.” Follow Tim on Twitter as @timhwang.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.
    Find out more about Harbinger Media Network and follow it on Twitter as @harbingertweets. You can also find out more about Alberta Advantage on their website.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • The United Kingdom’s Information Commissioner isn’t so sure Cambridge Analytica was as good at changing our minds as it made us all believe.
    • When Procter and Gamble cut their digital ad spend by $200 million, its reach increased by 10%.
    • A Google report found that 56% of ad impressions may not even be seen by humans.
    • Facebook’s “pivot to video” was based on false metrics and caused a lot of journalists to lose their jobs.
    • Paris wrote a critical review of The Social Dilemma for Jacobin.

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    Silicon Valley is Embracing Anti-China Nationalism w/ JS Tan Oct 08, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by JS Tan to discuss the internet’s connection with neoliberalism, China’s protectionist measures to develop its own tech industry, and how the new tensions between the United States and China are leading Silicon Valley to embrace nationalism.
    JS Tan is a former tech worker and writer. He also started Collective Actions in Tech. He recently wrote articles about the tech angle on the Cold War for Foreign Policy and Trump’s attempted TikTok ban for Jacobin. Follow JS on Twitter as @organizejs.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.
    Find out more about Harbinger Media Network and follow it on Twitter as @harbingertweets. You can also find Kino Lefter on Twitter.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • The solidarity between tech workers in the United States and China
    • Key insights into tech worker activism from the Collective Actions in Tech database
    • Mark Zuckerberg’s speech at Georgetown University
    • Peter Thiel’s tech nationalism op-ed in the New York Times
    • Eric Schmidt’s tech nationalism op-ed in the New York Times

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    Major Publishers Want to Shut Down Digital Lending w/ Maria Bustillos Oct 01, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Maria Bustillos to discuss the important work of the Internet Archive, why it opened a digital National Emergency Library during the pandemic, how access to culture is essential for the social good, and why the major publishers are trying to permanently restrict digital lending in a narrow-minded bid for short-term profit.
    Maria Bustillos is the founding editor of Popula and Brick House. She recently wrote about the major publishers’ lawsuit against the Internet Archive for The Nation. Find out more about Brick House and follow Maria on Twitter as @mariabustillos.
    Tech Won't Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.
    Find out more about Harbinger Media Network and follow it on Twitter as @harbingertweets.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Nail Gaiman explained how piracy is the digital equivalent of lending and increased the sales of his books.
    • How long copyright terms make our culture disappear.
    • Microsoft simply turned off access to all the ebooks it sold with DRM.
    • Amazon deleted copies of George Orwell’s “1984” from people’s Kindles.
    • The new North American trade agreement extended Canadian copyright terms by 20 years.
    • It’s unlikely that US copyright terms will be extended again. The Authors Guild would even be open to reducing terms by 20 years.

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    How Google & Facebook Dominate Digital Ads w/ Shoshana Wodinsky Sep 24, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Shoshana Wodinsky to discuss how digital ad markets work, how Google and Facebook maintain their dominance, and why the TikTok saga wasn’t really about China getting people’s data at all.
    Shoshana Wodinsky is a data reporter at Gizmodo. She recently wrote how banning TikTok won’t do anything about data going to China and how the US Congress might break up the tech monopolies. Follow Shoshana on Twitter as @swodinsky.
    Tech Won't Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.

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    How Foxconn Treats the Workers Who Built Your iPhone w/ Jenny Chan Sep 17, 2020
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Jenny Chan to discuss the difficult lives of Foxconn factory workers, the company’s relationship with Apple, the structural roadblocks to better working conditions, and how Chinese workers are trying to push back.
    Jenny Chan is the co-author of “Dying for an iPhone: Apple, Foxconn, and The Lives of China’s Workers” with Mark Selden and Pun Ngai. It’s available from Haymarket Books and Pluto Press. She is also an Assistant Professor of Sociology at the Hong Kong Polytechnic University.
    Tech Won't Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter.

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