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    Tech Won’t Save Us

    Silicon Valley wants to shape our future, but why should we let it? Every Thursday, Paris Marx is joined by a new guest to critically examine the tech industry, its big promises, and the people behind them. Tech Won’t Save Us challenges the notion that tech alone can drive our world forward by showing that separating tech from politics has consequences for us all, especially the most vulnerable. It’s not your usual tech podcast.

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    Reporting Critically on Tech w/ Jason Koebler & Samantha Cole Aug 31, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Jason Koebler and Samantha Cole to discuss why they launched 404 Media, how it was inspired by their work at Motherboard, and their reflections on the state of tech media.
    Jason Koebler and Samantha Cole are co-founders of 404 Media. Jason was editor-in-chief of VICE’s Motherboard. Samantha was a senior editor at Motherboard and is the author of “How Sex Changed the Internet.” Find out more about 404 Media.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Last week the 404 team introduced themselves. Among the stories they published were pieces looking into Apple AirPods Max and AI-generated porn.
    • Vice declared bankruptcy in May 2023.
    • Paris argued in Disconnect that the media failed the public in how they reported on Elon Musk.

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    AI Criticism Has a Decades-Long History w/ Ben Tarnoff Aug 24, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Ben Tarnoff to discuss the ELIZA chatbot created by Joseph Weizenbaum in the 1960s and how it led him to develop a critical perspective on AI and computing that deserves more attention during this wave of AI hype.
    Ben Tarnoff writes about technology and politics. He is a founding editor of Logic, and author of Internet for the People: The Fight for Our Digital Future. You can follow Ben on Twitter at @bentarnoff.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Ben wrote a long article about Weizenbaum and what we can learn from his work for The Guardian.
    • Paris wrote a skeptical perspective on AI hype and the promises of ChatGPT in Disconnect.
    • Zachary Loeb has also written about Weizenbaum’s work and perspective on AI and computing.

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    Pondering the Orb w/ Molly White Aug 17, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Molly White to discuss Sam Bankman-Fried having his bail revoked and Sam Altman’s plan to scan all of our irises to get us into crypto and supposedly protect us from AI.
    Molly White is the creator of Web3 Is Going Just Great and a fellow at the Harvard Library Innovation Lab. You can follow Molly on Twitter at @molly0xFFF.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Molly wrote about Sam Bankman-Fried going to prison and what’s going on with Worldcoin in her newsletter.
    • Paris also dug into Worldcoin in the Disconnect newsletter.
    • The New York Times published a story about Caroline Ellison based on details provided by Sam Bankman-Fried.
    • MIT Tech Review and Buzzfeed News did in-depth investigations of Worldcoin and its exploitation of people in the Global South.
    • Worldcoin has been shut down in Kenya and is under regulatory scrutiny in the European Union.

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    Abolish Venture Capital w/ Edward Ongweso Jr. Aug 10, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Edward Ongweso Jr. to discuss how the venture capital industry works, why the technologies it funds don’t deliver on their marketing promises, and how that’s once again being shown in the hype around AI.
    Edward Ongweso Jr. is a freelance journalist, co-host of This Machine Kills, and guest columnist at The Nation. You can follow Ed on Twitter at @bigblackjacobin.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Edward wrote about the problems with venture capital and what the AI hype shows us about the industry for The Nation. Earlier this year, he wrote about the tantrum VCs threw after the Silicon Valley Bank collapse.
    • Paris wrote about where Elon Musk’s vision for the X superapp comes from, why his Twitter rebrand isn’t going so well, and why ChatGPT isn’t a revolution.
    • In 2020, Sam Harnett wrote about the problem with tech media’s coverage of the gig economy.
    • Uber used to want to be the “Amazon for transportation” and the “operating system for everyday life.”
    • TIME reported on how OpenAI lobbying watered down EU AI rules.
    • Marc Andreessen wrote his pitch for “Why AI Will Save the World.”

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    The Right is Building Its Own Platforms w/ Jacob Silverman Aug 03, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Jacob Silverman to discuss how the right-wing of the tech industry are funding media platforms like Rumble to reshape the political discourse and why they’re helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. challenge Joe Biden.
    Jacob Silverman is a journalist and the co-author of Easy Money: Cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism, and the Golden Age of Fraud. He’s also the host of The Naked Emperor on CBC Podcasts. You can check out Jacob’s Substack.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Jacob wrote about Rumble as a MAGA platform, why tech is boosting Robert F. Kennedy Jr., revolutionary war reenactors getting caught up in Facebook’s purge of militia groups, and David Sacks.
    • Mark Zuckerberg chose to go easy on Alex Jones and other right-wing figures on Facebook.
    • Trump Media may be going public via a SPAC merger.
    • Darren Blanton was involved in a scheme to keep Black voters from the polls.
    • Wendy Siegelman put together a chart of the connections between Rumble, Trump Media, and other groups.
    • Rumble went public via SPAC in 2022.
    • Brandy Zadrozny wrote about RFK Jr. and his views for NBC News.

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    Are UFOs Really Out There? w/ Kelsey Atherton Jul 27, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Kelsey Atherton to discuss the renewed interest in UFOs, where the conspiracy theories of aliens in the sky came from, and whether flying saucers might really be watching us.
    Kelsey Atherton is a military technology journalist. He contributes to Popular Science and has written for Slate. Follow Kelsey on Twitter at @AthertonKD.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Kelsey has written about how the military’s culture of secrecy breeds UFO conspiracy theories, why sensors are an important aspect to consider, and the truth of Area 51.
    • A U-2 pilot took a selfie with the Chinese balloon shot down earlier this year.
    • The military later confirmed the Chinese balloon was not actually spying on the United States.
    • One of the balloons that were shot down likely belonged to a hobbyist group called the Northern Illinois Bottlecap Balloon Brigade.
    • In 2019, a bunch of people online planned to hold a “Naruto run” at Area 51.

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    Big Tech Won’t Revitalize Indigenous Languages w/ Keoni Mahelona Jul 20, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Keoni Mahelona to discuss the colonial nature of data extraction by major tech companies, and how Te Hiku takes a very different approach to revitalize the Māori language.
    Keoni Mahelona is the Chief Technology Officer at Te Hiku Media. Follow Keoni on Twitter at @mahelona.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Keoni and some of his colleagues wrote about why OpenAI’s Whisper is another example of colonialism.
    • Wired and MIT Tech Review have written about the work Te Hiku is doing with Māori language in Aotearoa New Zealand.
    • Mark Zuckerberg owns a lot of land in Hawaiʻi, and it’s quite controversial.

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    How Israel Uses Occupation to Develop Military Tech w/ Antony Loewenstein Jul 13, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Antony Loewenstein to discuss how the Israeli weapons industry tests new military technologies on occupied Palestinians before selling them internationally.
    Antony Loewenstein is an independent journalist who’s written for the New York Times and the Guardian. He’s the author of The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports The Technology Of Occupation Around The World. Follow Antony on Twitter at @antloewenstein.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Excerpts from Antony’s book have been published by In These Times, Declassified Australia, and Jamal Khashoggi-founded Democracy for the Arab World Now. Antony also wrote a good overview of the book for Middle East Eye.
    • Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B’Tselem, and Yesh Din have called Israel’s actions apartheid.
    • Google and Amazon workers protested Project Nimbus. They also faced shareholder revolts over the project.
    • Airbnb lists properties in illegal Israeli settlements.
    • Red Wolf is deployed at checkpoints to scan Palestinians’ faces and add them to surveillance databases without their consent.
    • Facebook has been criticized for removing Palestinians’ posts.
    • The New York Times reported on Israel’s use of NSO Group surveillance tools for diplomatic leverage.
    • The Committee to Protect Journalists found Israel killed 20 journalists.

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    Google and Meta Are Fighting with Canada w/ David Moscrop Jul 06, 2023
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by David Moscrop to discuss Canada’s plan to make Google and Meta pay news publishers, and what might happened now that they’re threatening to pull Canadian news from their platforms.
    David Moscrop is a freelance writer and the author of Too Dumb for Democracy?: Why We Make Bad Political Decisions and How We Can Make Better Ones. Follow David on Twitter at @David_Moscrop.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • David Moscrop wrote about the larger context of the Online News Bill in his Substack newsletter.
    • Paris also wrote about Google and Meta threatening to pull news in Canada and why Canada should take a hard line with them.
    • Sandy Garossino wrote about how much money Google and Meta extract from Canada.
    • Media conglomerates Postmedia and Nordstar are in talks to merge.
    • California is also looking at a similar process to force Google and Meta to pay media in that state.
    • On Wednesday, the Canadian government pulled advertising from Facebook and Instagram, but said Google was still talking to find a way forward. The government said it won’t back down, and two opposition parties — the New Democratic Party and Bloc Quebecois — voiced their support.

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    Why AI is a Threat to Artists w/ Molly Crabapple Jun 29, 2023
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    Paris Marx is joined by Molly Crabapple to discuss why AI image generation tools are a threat to illustrators and why we need to refuse the idea that Silicon Valley’s visions of technology are inevitable.
    Molly Crabapple is an artist and writer based in New York. She is the author of two books, Drawing Blood and Brothers of the Gun with Marwan Hisham. Follow Molly on Twitter at @mollycrabapple.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Molly wrote an op-ed for the LA Times about the threat of AI-generated tools for artists, and co-wrote an open letter about restricting AI illustration for the Center for Artistic Inquiry and Reporting.
    • Karla Ortiz wrote about how teaching an AI to copy an artist’s style isn’t democratization; it’s theft.
    • Corridor Digital claimed they were “democratizing” animation by using AI trained on Vampire Hunter D to generate their own animated video.
    • Rest of World reported on how AI was being used to take video game illustrators’ jobs in China.
    • AI is already being used to justify laying off journalists.
    • In February, Creative Commons published an article arguing that using copyrighted works to train generative AI should be considered fair use.
    • Stable Diffusion and Midjourney were hit with a copyright lawsuit, and Getty Images launched its own suit against Stable Diffusion.
    • The US Copyright Office says AI generated images are not eligible for copyright protection.

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