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    Tech Won’t Save Us

    Silicon Valley wants to shape our future, but why should we let it? Every Thursday, Paris Marx is joined by a new guest to critically examine the tech industry, its big promises, and the people behind them. Tech Won’t Save Us challenges the notion that tech alone can drive our world forward by showing that separating tech from politics has consequences for us all, especially the most vulnerable. It’s not your usual tech podcast.

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    Latest Episodes:
    What the TikTok Ban Reveals About US Tech Policy w/ Jacob Silverman Mar 21, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Jacob Silverman to discuss the motivations behind the proposed TikTok ban and what the effort tells us about US tech policy.
    Jacob Silverman is a tech journalist and the co-author of Easy Money: Cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism, and the Golden Age of Fraud.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Paris will be speaking in Montreal on March 23 and March 26.
    • Jacob wrote about the GOP megadonor who could benefit from whatever happens to TikTok.
    • Paris wrote about the geopolitics of the TikTok ban and what it says about US power.
    • Taylor Lorenz broke down some of the disputed claims being made about TikTok.
    • Sam Biddle wrote about how Facebook knows they violated Palestinian human rights.
    • Byron Tau explained how US government agencies are getting people’s personal data from data brokers.

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    Time for a Butlerian Jihad?: A ‘Dune’ Chat w/ Ed Ongweso Jr & Brian Merchant Mar 18, 2024
    Show notes

    In a bonus episode, Paris Marx is joined by Ed Ongweso Jr. and Brian Merchant to share their thoughts on Dune: Part Two, how it relates to the modern tech industry, and whether today’s Luddites can take anything from Dune’s Butlerian Jihad.
    Ed Ongweso Jr is finance editor at Logic(s) Magazine and cohost of This Machine Kills. Brian Merchant is a technology journalist and the author of Blood In the Machine: The Origins of the Rebellion Against Big Tech.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • You can watch the entire livestream over on YouTube.
    • For Disconnect, Paris wrote about how the digital revolution has failed.

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    Silicon Valley Deserves Your Anger w/ Ed Zitron Mar 14, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Ed Zitron to discuss the public’s growing disillusionment with the tech industry as it pivoted to chasing profits instead of providing us with anything useful.
    Ed Zitron is the host of Better Offline and writes the Where’s Your Ed At newsletter. He’s also the CEO of EZPR.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Ed wrote about how tech lost its way and the problems with the generative AI hype.
    • Paris wrote the failure of the digital revolution, the material costs of data centers, and Kara Swisher’s new book.
    • A lot of Microsoft’s investment in OpenAI is cloud compute credits.
    • Molly White reviewed Chris Dixon’s new book.

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    Plastic Recycling Is a Scam w/ Dharna Noor Mar 07, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Dharna Noor to discuss widely-held misconceptions about the effectiveness of plastic recycling and how industry lobbies invented them to protect the market for plastic products.
    Dharna Noor is the fossil fuels and climate reporter at The Guardian.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • On Friday, March 8, Paris will be speaking with Ed Ongweso Jr. and Brian Merchant about Dune: Part Two and its connection to the growing Luddite movement. Watch it on our YouTube channel at 11am PT / 2pm ET / 7pm GMT.
    • Our conversation was based in part on the Center for Climate Integrity’s new report called “The Fraud of Plastic Recycling.”
    • Dharna reported on that report and has previously written about plastic materials ending up in landfills, fashion’s use of plastic, and the problem with replacing plastics with other disposables.
    • In 2018, Barack Obama said, “That whole ‘suddenly America’s like the biggest oil producer and the biggest gas,’ that was me, people.
    • New research has found microplastics in the placentas of unborn babies. The science isn’t settled on the effects on microplastics on human health, but there’s reason to be concerned.

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    A Setback for Gig Workers’ Rights in Europe w/ Ben Wray Feb 29, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Ben Wray to discuss why the European Union’s Platform Work Directive isn’t moving forward, what hope remains for gig workers’ rights in Europe, and what we should make of Uber’s first annual profit.
    Ben Wray is the coordinator of the Gig Economy Project and the author of Scotland after Britain: The two souls of Scottish independence.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • On March 8, Paris will be doing a livestream about Dune 2 and Luddites with Ed Ongweso Jr and Brian Merchant. Get notified on YouTube.
    • Ben wrote about the failure of the Platform Work Directive, the recent conferences on platform workers’ rights in Brussels, and the Uber CEO’s admission of using driver’s “behavioral patterns” to influence pay rates.
    • Paris wrote about the wider context of Uber’s first annual profit.
    • Delivery Hero’s business isn’t going well and its share price has been dropping.
    • Glovo is facing serious legal trouble in Spain, and even as some fines have been suspended, others have been added.
    • Food delivery workers in the UK have been on a major strike. Notes from Below have been publishing some dispatches from it.

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    How Foreverism Degrades Our Culture w/ Grafton Tanner Feb 22, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Grafton Tanner to discuss the dangers and consequences of companies and politicians leveraging nostalgia for their own purposes.

    Grafton Tanner is the author of Foreverism. He also teaches at the University of Georgia.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Paris wrote about the material footprint of data centers in Disconnect.
    • Ian McKellen broke down on the set of The Hobbit after acting with no other actors on a green screen.
    • In an interview with Charlie Rose, George Lucas described differences between Soviet and US film industries.
    • Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy told Vanity Fair it wasn’t as fun making Star Wars films today as it was making the original trilogy.
    • Jake Gyllenhaal described the difficulty of acting in a Marvel film after Spider-Man: Far From Home.

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    How Interfaces Shape Our Relationship to Tech w/ Zachary Kaiser Feb 15, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Zachary Kaiser to discuss the power of tech interfaces, why data isn’t an accurate reflection of the world, and why we need to discuss democratic decomputerization.
    Zachary Kaiser is an Associate Professor of Graphic Design and Experience Architecture at Michigan State University. He’s also the author of Interfaces and Us: User Experience Design and the Making of the Computable Subject.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Paris is speaking in Auckland on February 18 at an event hosted by Tohatoha.
    • Zachary wrote about dream reading technologies for Real Life.
    • Zachary mentions specific works by David Golumbia, Ivan Illich, Aaron Benanav, John Cheney-Lippold, Thomas F. Tierney, Marisa Brandt, Arturo Escobar, and James Ferguson.

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    France’s Start-Up Nation Is a Neoliberal Hell w/ Nastasia Hadjadji Feb 08, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Nastasia Hadjadji to discuss Emmanuel Macron’s plan to run France like a start-up, how that justified a further dismantling of France's welfare state, and how his desire to create national tech champions is having domestic consequences.
    Nastasia Hadjadji is a French journalist looking at tech from the lens of political economy and the author of “No Crypto. Comment Bitcoin a envoûté la planète.”
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Paris will be speaking in Auckland on February 18 in an event hosted by Tohatoha.
    • Emmanuel Macron aided Uber’s lobbying efforts as Economy Minister under the former Socialist government.
    • France worked hard to attract the crypto industry. Macron even took a selfie with Binance’s Changpeng Zhao, who’s now pled guilty to felony charges.
    • The group Technopolice documents police surveillance in France.
    • La Quadrature du Net campaigns against algorithmic video surveillance.
    • Louis Pouzin is considered to have almost created the internet.

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    What’s Really Killing the News Media? w/ Victor Pickard Feb 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Victor Pickard to discuss the continued layoffs in news media, and how they are symptomatic of a deeper, structural crisis in journalism.
    Victor Pickard is Professor of Media Policy and Political Economy at University of Pennsylvania. He’s also the author of Democracy Without Journalism?: Confronting the Misinformation Society.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation and produced by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Paris will be speaking in Christchurch on February 4 and Wellington on February 8.
    • Victor wrote for Niemen Lab about the need to divorce news and capitalism, and argued for public newspapers in the Washington Post.
    • In the US, two-thirds of newspaper jobs, or 43,000 journalists, have been lost since 2005.
    • Robert McChesney and John Nichols propose a Local Journalism Initiative.
    • Police raided a newspaper in Kansas on August 11, 2023, setting off a major scandal that’s now seen the police chief suspended.

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    How Spotify Tried to Take Over Podcasting w/ Eric Silver Jan 25, 2024
    Show notes

    Paris Marx is joined by Eric Silver to discuss Spotify’s big plan to dominate podcasting, why it’s now pulling back from those efforts, and the difference between highly produced and more independent podcasts.
    Eric Silver is a podcast producer and head of development at Multitude.
    Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.
    The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation and produced by Eric Wickham. Transcripts are by Brigitte Pawliw-Fry.
    Also mentioned in this episode:

    • Paris will be in Christchurch on February 4 (details here) and Wellington on February 8 (details here). He’s hoping to get an Auckland date organized and is open to going to Australia.
    • Spotify pulled back on its podcasting ambitions last year, canceling big shows and laying off staff.
    • After buying Gimlet and Parcast, it merged them into Spotify Originals last year.
    • Ashley Carman posted a slide from a Spotify presentation presenting the RSS feed as “outdated tech” because it’s harder for them to harvest data from.

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