Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

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John Inazu, LEARNING TO DISAGREE: The Surprising Path to Navigating Differences with Empathy and Respect May 16, 2024

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Can we learn to disagree with empathy and respect? Yes we can. And if you disagree with that, you're wrong... JK ;-)

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Dr. John Inazu is a law professor and political theorist who teaches at Washington University in St. Louis, where he is the Sally D. Danforth Distinguished Professor of Law and Religion. He teaches criminal law, law and religion, and various First Amendment courses. He writes and speaks frequently about pluralism, assembly, free speech, religious freedom, and other issues. John has written three books and published opinion pieces in the Washington Post, The Atlantic, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, USA Today, Newsweek, and CNN. Professor Inazu’s latest book is Learning to Disagree: The Surprising Path to Navigating Differences with Empathy and Respect which we discuss on this edition of TP&R.

00:59 Exploring Empathy and Disagreement with Dr. John Inazu;

13:41 The Practice of Empathy in Disagreement;

28:02 Understanding First Amendment Rights and Campus Protests;

32:36 Exploring Civil Disobedience and Its Consequences;

33:34 Personal Reflections: Reconnecting and Forgiving;

38:04 Navigating Difficult Conversations and Disagreements;

41:25 Choosing the Right Time and Place;

47:03 The Complexities of Faith, Patriotism, and Forgiveness;

57:30 Musical Influences and the Power of Jazz;

01:00:59 Closing Thoughts and How to Follow the Work

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Tim Alberta on American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism (Best of) May 13, 2024

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Tim Alberta is not only an excellent writer, he's also a practicing Christian and the son of an Evangelical pastor. So it's no wonder his recent book THE KINGDOM, THE POWER AND THE GLORY struck such a nerve as it "paints an expansive and profoundly troubling portrait of the American evangelical movement."

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We're joined by Tim Alberta upon the publication of his new book, The Kingdom, The Power and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism. After starting out with some fun banter about Tim's beloved Detroit Lions and veering off into kids' names, we delve into weighty topics such as whether Tim still considers himself an #evangelical - more specifically, if there are aspects of his faith he's begun to question. Much of this conversation is about the new book: "The main thing is no longer the main thing" for so many megachurch pastors; Donald Trump is "a creation of the culture gone crazy" (especially in the American Evangelical church); whether hucksters like Trump and Paula White, when they're behind closed doors, laugh at all their "suckers" that buy into their various schemes; who Tim thinks is the audience for THE KINGDOM, THE POWER, AND THE GLORY - and who he hopes the audience is; and we get to hear some input from Charles Mingus the 3rd!

Tim Alberta is a staff writer for The Atlantic and the former chief political correspondent for Politico, and has written for dozens of other publications, including the Wall Street Journal, Sports Illustrated, and Vanity Fair. He is the author of the New York Times bestseller American Carnage: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump and the newly released The Kingdom, The Power and the Glory. He co-moderated the final Democratic presidential debate of 2019 and frequently appears as a commentator on television programs in the United States and around the world. And as listeners will quickly learn, Tim is a big time Detroit Lions fan.

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Rachel Bitecofer, Ph.D. | Hit ’Em Where It Hurts: How to Save Democracy by Beating Republicans at Their Own Game May 09, 2024

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On today’s edition, we shook it up a bit. Rachel Bitecofer, Ph.D. has dissected well-worn tactics that today’s Republican Party deploys with a great deal of success. Her latest book HIT ‘EM WHERE IT HURTS is about how to “beat Republicans at their own game.” As former RNC Chair, Michael Steele, has said, “Democrats and Republicans who care about democracy would be wise to pay attention to her work.” (Yeah, you read that correct and it wasn't a typo - that's from the guy who used to head up the Republican National Committee.)

Rachel Bitecofer is a political scientist and election forecaster turned political strategist. You may have seen her interviews and analysis in such outlets as The New York Times, The Washington Post, Salon, Politico, The New Republic, Real Time with Bill Maher, CNN, MSNBC, and many other prominent news sources. She worked with Democratic Party candidates and organizations to implement negative partisanship strategy in the 2022 midterms. Rachel is also the author of HIT ‘EM WHERE IT HURTS: HOW TO SAVE DEMOCRACY BY BEATING REPUBLICANS AT THEIR OWN GAME. But she came to prominence way before all this when she predicted the size (to the seat) of the Democrats’ Blue Wave in the 2018 midterms.

00:54 Spotlight on Rachel Bitecofer: From Political Scientist to Strategist;

01:49 The 2018 Midterm Predictions and Political Shifts;

05:31 Analyzing the 2024 Election Risks and Trump's Influence;

08:23 The Urgency of Understanding Project 2025;

15:16 Rachel Bitecofer's Personal Journey and Academic Background;

20:29 Strategies for the Democratic Party: A New Approach;

36:22 The Role of Journalism and Media in Democracy;

38:22 The Impact of Right-Wing Ecosystem on Public Belief;

38:41 The Role of Donald Trump in Shaping Public Distrust;

39:12 Manipulation of Journalism and Public Perception;

39:49 The Strategy Behind Republican Messaging;

40:59 Observing Real-Time Messaging During the Mar-a-Lago Raid;

41:14 The Power of Unified Messaging in Politics;

41:41 Media's Role in Legitimizing Questionable Narratives;

42:35 Challenging the Normalization of Extremism;

45:47 The Art of Electoral War: Strategies and Countermeasures;

47:14 Tackling Misinformation and Strategic Messaging;

59:46 Engaging in Political Conversations: Strategies and Insights;

01:01:50 Effective Communication Across Political Divides

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Have You Ever Spoken to One of "Them"? (Talkin’ Israel / Palestine) May 06, 2024

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We all have opinions. And there are more ways than ever to voice those opinions. But before expressing those opinions, have we really taken the time to understand the complexity of any given issue? More specifically, have we taken the time to speak with and consider the views of folks who are on the “other side” of that issue?

In this edition, we’ll be looking at the widespread phenomenon of campus protests across the country and the world. The initial plan was to compare campus protesters to January 6th insurrectionists; but instead, it was more valuable to explore the topic more thoughtfully, aiming to avoid fueling conflicts. So we examine diverse aspects of protests, including their objectives, the media's focus on sensational aspects (“nut picking”), and the potential ineffectiveness of disruptive tactics as well as the historical record that indicates how many such protests ultimately did more harm than good to their own cause. It was helpful to share the personal account from a friend who participated in peaceful demonstrations, offering insights into the protesters' perspectives and demands. We also review the importance of understanding and respecting the rights to free speech and assembly while considering reasonable restraints on those rights such as “time, place and manner” restrictions, as well as the impacts of protests on broader society. More broadly, it’s important to emphasize the need for balanced and informed conversations around contentious issues, advocating for empathy and open-mindedness in evaluating differing viewpoints.

01:31 A Deep Dive into Campus Protests;

05:58 Exploring the Other Side: Conversations with a Protest Participant;

07:43 Understanding the Demands and Goals of Campus Protests;

11:04 Reflecting on Free Speech and Its Complexities;

27:45 The Role of Universities in Nurturing Democracy;

35:26 Concluding Thoughts and Encouragement for Dialogue

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David French's 4/28/24 NYT piece "Colleges Have Gone off the Deep End. There Is a Way Out."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/28/opinion/protests-college-free-speech.html

David Brooks 5/2/24 NYT piece "Why the Protests Help Trump"

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/02/opinion/student-protests-trump.html

Free Speech Center article on "time, place and manner" restrictions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/02/opinion/student-protests-trump.html

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Haley Voters for Biden: Co-founder and Senior Advisor, Robert Schwartz May 02, 2024

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With Nikki Haley having dropped out of the race for the Republican nomination for president, why is she still getting so many votes in primaries all over the country? Even though it's been months since Haley suspended her campaign, she still gets significant percentages of the vote in the Republican primary contest. So where will those Haley voters turn in the general election? Robert Schwartz, the Co-founder and Senior Advisor to Haley Voters for Biden, is joining in a sweeping effort to persuade Nikki Haley supporters to vote for President Joe Biden this fall.

With a background in foreign affairs as a public policy professional focused on authoritarian regimes, Robert has a better understanding than many of what's at stake in 2024. So we were glad that he joined us to better understand this bloc of voters and so much more. Robert shares his journey from a politically curious teenager to a major advocate for bipartisan dialogue and action; his role in foreign policy and his time at Harvard's public policy program; and his efforts to promote democratic values against the backdrop of rising authoritarian tendencies. We also discuss the strategies and motivations behind the Haley Voters for Biden initiative, aiming to mobilize support among Republicans and independents who are disillusioned with Donald Trump's leadership. Then we get real as we explore the challenges facing American democracy, the potential impact of third-party candidates, and strategies for engaging voters across the political spectrum in meaningful conversations.

01:16 Introduction: Robert Schwartz, Co-Founder HV4B;

05:17 Navigating Political Philosophy and Activism;

08:17 Concerns Over American Democracy's Stability;

10:35 Exploring the Impact of Project 2025 and Political Strategies;

20:22 Analyzing the Republican Primary and Voter Dynamics;

29:23 Strategic Messaging and Targeting for Political Influence;

38:10 Decoding the Political Strategy: The Plus Two Concept;

41:00 The Swing State Focus: Key States in the Presidential Election;

58:26 The Challenge of Third-Party Voters in Swing States;

01:06:35 Engaging Across Political Divides: Strategies for Conversation

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Being Anti-Trump BECAUSE I'm a Christian Apr 29, 2024

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Let's talk about the words, actions and character of Donald J. Trump in light of what the Bible says about virtue and vice. But instead of starting with our political preferences and prejudices and THEN backing shards of Scripture into what we want, what if we started with what the Bible actually says FIRST? Then we can more earnestly reckon with the implications of what we're dealing with today.

Here are a few of the Scriptural references that came up:

Exodus 20: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."
2 Kings 3: "(Jehoram) did evil in the sight of the Lord."
Proverbs 6: "There are six things that the Lord hates, Seven that are an abomination to Him..."
Proverbs 10: "Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool..."
John 2: "(Jesus) said, 'Take these things away from here; stop making My Father’s house a place of business!'”

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Kate Cohen | WE OF LITTLE FAITH: Why I Stopped Pretending to Believe (And Maybe You Should Too) Apr 25, 2024

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Can an atheist and a Christian have a meaningful, friendly conversation? Can we explore our differences without being jerks to each other? Well, here's one atheist and one Christian who gave it a whirl!

Kate Cohen, a Washington Post contributing columnist, is a writer whose latest book, WE OF LITTLE FAITH, is "an impassioned call for nonbelievers to be honest with themselves and their families about their lack of belief—and help change the American cultural conversation." So, it was a special treat to have Kate on the program to discuss her journey to atheism and the implications of raising children as atheists in today's society. We explored a range of issues such as Kate's insights into the creative process, the importance of honesty in personal belief systems, and the intersection of atheism with culture, family, and politics. She also discusses the role of humor when tackling serious topics, the significance of understanding and openness in conversations about differing beliefs, and the perspective of facing mortality and legacy as an atheist. Additionally, we exchange personal stories, highlighting challenges and nuances in family dynamics when belief systems diverge, and explore the common ground atheists and religious folks can find in activism and moral responsibility.

01:46 The Art of Crafting a Book Title and Memoir Writing;

03:24 A Special Presenation from Jesse Cohen-Greenberg;

19:29 Navigating Family Dynamics and Beliefs;

27:02 Engaging with Atheism and Theism;

33:30 Understanding Atheism: Definitions and Personal Reflections;

46:36 The Importance of Community and Morality Beyond Religion;

48:25 Finding Awe and Wonder Without Supernatural Beliefs;

50:29 Legacy, Memory, and Making an Impact;

01:02:06 Navigating Family, Faith, and Identity;

01:18:23 Reflecting on Atheism, Activism, and Social Responsibility

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Kate's website: https://katecohen.net/

Her columnist page at the Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/kate-cohen/

Here's one of Kate's pieces in WaPo: Opinion | America doesn’t need more God. It needs more atheists. | https://wapo.st/3WaSjLl

A link to WE OF LITTLE FAITH: https://www.amazon.com/We-Little-Faith-Stopped-Pretending-ebook/dp/B0BV7MG25G?ref_=ast_author_mpb

And this is Jesse Cohen-Greenberg's music: When Will My Body Be Mine? | https://open.spotify.com/album/3GHFu2zZIBVzuwjhuK61j7?si=w_r4ZHGXQ8OJsVY3M2zYMg

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Being Anti-Trump BECAUSE I'm a Conservative Apr 22, 2024

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What does it mean to be a conservative? What about being a Christian? What does that mean in terms of how one would understand and uphold virtue vs vice? And if I am truly a conservative and a Christian, can I then support Donald Trump?

In this edition, we explore the nuances of conservative values and Christian beliefs amidst our politically charged environment. To get clarity on what it means to be a conservative and a Christian, it requires NOT surrendering to the extremists who monopolize conversations around politics and religion. Our discussion dives into the foundational principles of conservatism, such as:

Individual Freedom,
Limited Government,
Rule of Law,
Peace through Strength,
Fiscal Responsibility,
Free Markets,
and *Human Dignity,

...contrasting these with the divisive and aggressive tactics often employed in Trump-era politics. Contrary to what passes for “conservative” in today’s political and media landscape, we’ll look at the way true conservatism respects the U.S. Constitution and promotes a healthy, engaged citizenry, devoid of blanket vilification via broad generalizations and dehumanization. We’ll also give a sneak peak into Part II of this discussion on Christian values, specifically targeting the misalignment of Trump's actions with biblical teachings. So, yeah, this one might tweak some beaks!

00:40 Celebrating Listener Reviews and Engagement;

02:49 The Impact of Extremism on Public Discourse;

13:40 Exploring the True Meaning of Conservatism;

14:16 Principles of Conservatism vs. Trumpism;

27:29 The Importance of Human Dignity in Conservatism;

34:35 Teaser for the Next Episode: Christianity vs Trumpism

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Elizabeth Neumann | KINGDOM OF RAGE: The Rise of Christian Extremism and the Path Back to Peace Apr 18, 2024

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From 9/11 to 1/6; from growing up as a Christian to reckoning with the current state of the Evangelical church in America; Elizabeth Neumann, the former Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and Threat Prevention at the US Department of Homeland Security, has the experience and has done the work to understand what's at stake in our country. So it was an honor to have her back on the program to discuss all this and more.

Elizabeth Neumann had a first hand look at the inner workings of the Trump Administration. What's clear from her experience is that there were a lot of people who were hard working public servants doing their best to serve the country's interests while, at the same time, having to navigate the daily chaos that defined Trump's time in office. And Elizabeth certainly has an informed perspective, having also served in the George W. Bush Administration. (Spoiler Alert: Those 2 admins couldn't have been more different.) So we delve into the historic bookends of September 11th, 2001 and January 6th, 2021. We also candidly explore, as Christians, how so many of our friends from church have become radicalized; are sympathic to or are dismissive of acts of violent extremism; and some who have even participated in demonstrations of extremism. Most importantly, as the subtitle of Elizabeth's book indicates, we explore the path back to peace.

ELIZABETH NEUMANN served as the Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and Threat Prevention at the US Department of Homeland Security. Elizabeth is an ABC News contributor and the Chief Strategy Officer at Moonshot which builds solutions for one of the most pressing challenges facing communities around the world: violent extremism. She is also the author of the important new book, Kingdom of Rage: The Rise of Christian Extremism and the Path Back to Peace.

01:41 Elizabeth's Journey: From Counterterrorism to Author;

04:12 Exploring the Roots of Extremism and Personal Faith;

24:04 The Role of Media and Social Media in Shaping Views;

29:16 Raising Informed and Engaged Citizens;

33:51 Comparing the George W. Bush and Trump Administrations;

42:48 Navigating Trump's Influence and Policy Challenges;

44:09 Forecasting the Future: A Second Trump Administration;

44:26 The Impact of Inexperienced Appointees and Ideological Shifts;

45:15 The Global Implications of Withdrawing from NATO and Support for Ukraine;

47:31 Analyzing the January 6th Insurrection and Its Precursors;

55:24 The Role of Christian Extremism in Political Violence;

01:03:36 Addressing Extremism and the Importance of Local Engagement;

01:14:21 Conversations Across Differences: Strategies for Dialogue

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Voice of a Renegade: Adam Kinzinger on Democracy's Challenges (Best of TP&R) Apr 15, 2024

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"Bringing people together to learn how to do democracy again. And we're gonna go after the crazies in the political environment that do not have the interest of the country at heart." - Adam Kinzinger

Rep. Adam Kinzinger served with integrity during his time in the U.S. Congress as well as the Air Force. Yet, the mere mention of his name sends a certain ex-President (HINT: rhymes with Shmump) as well as many of that ex-prez's most loyal followers into a rage. So it was a special honor for us to speak with former Congressman Kinzinger. Having served in Congress from 2011 to 2023 and on notable committees such as the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack, he discusses the challenges of political extremism, the importance of compromise, and his journey from a conservative upbringing to questioning his beliefs, while staying true to deeply rooted, unimpeachable values. He addresses the toxicity of social media, the need for reconciliation across political and religious spectrums, and his work with Country First, aimed at promoting democracy and moderating political discourse. Adam's reflections on his faith, encounters with extremism, and the significance of genuine conversation across differences provide a nuanced perspective on navigating the complexities of current American political and religious landscapes.

Congressman Adam Kinzinger served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 2011 to 2023, representing Illinois’ 16th Congressional District. During his tenure, he served on the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, as well as the House Committee on Energy and Commerce and the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Rep. Kinzinger is the founder of Country First, an organization that works to activate the MUTED Majority to reject division and seek proven solutions to the challenges not being addressed by our leaders. He is also the author of RENEGADE: DEFENDING DEMOCRACY AND LIBERTY IN OUR DIVIDED COUNTRY. Prior to being elected to Congress, he served in the Air Force in both Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. He is a Lieutenant Colonel in the Air National Guard and a Senior Political Commentator on CNN.

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