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    Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

    Politics and Religion. We’re not supposed to talk about that, right? Wrong! We only say that nowadays because the loudest, most extreme voices have taken over the whole conversation. Well, we‘re taking some of that space back! If you’re dying for some dialogue instead of all the yelling; if you know it’s okay to have differences without having to hate each other; if you believe politics and religion are too important to let ”the screamers” drown out the rest of us and would love some engaging, provocative and fun conversations about this stuff, then ”Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other” is for you!

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    Jon Rauch of The Atlantic and Brookings on Political Parties, Democracy and All the News That's Fit to Pod Jul 29, 2024
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    What are some of the weakest arguments against Kamala Harris's candidacy for president? As our brilliant guest Jonathan Rauch put it, "There's some really stupid sh!t." At the same time, there are some more justified concerns. Let's talk about all of it! We also get into rank prognostication on who the Democratic VP pick will be, as well as how we think the 2024 presidential election will end up.

    But before we get into all that, we dive into Jon's two most recent pieces in THE ATLANTIC: One from 7/1/24 titled "The World Is Realigning | An emerging Axis of Resistance confronts the Liberal Alliance;" and the other from the 7/23/24 edition titled "The Party Is Not Over | Nominations belong to parties, not to candidates."

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    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

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    Elizabeth Bruenig: Staff Writer at The Atlantic and Contributor to the Left, Right and Center radio show Jul 25, 2024
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    What does it mean to be a Christian Social Democrat? Can one be pro-life and align with the political left? How Christian is American Christendom or a Trumpified Evangelicalism? Has contemporary American Christendom shaken your own faith? We asked these questions and discussed a great deal more with the brilliant writer, Elizabeth Bruenig. (Please note, this conversation was recorded prior to when President Biden opted out of the 2024 presidential race.)

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    Elizabeth Bruenig is a staff writer at The Atlantic. She was previously an opinion writer for The New York Times and The Washington Post, where she was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing. She has also been a staff writer at The New Republic and a contributor to the Left, Right & Center radio show. She currently hosts a podcast, The Bruenigs, with her husband, Matt Bruenig. Elizabeth holds a master of philosophy in Christian theology from the University of Cambridge. At The Atlantic, she writes about theology and politics - right up our alley!

    Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

    Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com

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    Steven Brill on THE DEATH OF TRUTH - “...(an) examination of two of the central dilemmas of our time—what is truth and how to find it” Jul 22, 2024
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    "...How Social Media and the Internet Gave Snake Oil Salesmen and Demagogues the Weapons They Needed to Destroy Trust and Polarize the World--And What We Can Do"

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    In this episode, we’re joined by Steven Brill, an acclaimed author and co-founder of NewsGuard, a service that rates the reliability of online news. After learning a bit about Steve’s renowned career, we explore some critical issues such as the health of American democracy, the effects of misinformation, and the role of NewsGuard in combating fake news. Steve also presents potential solutions to these issues, such as enforcing online platforms' terms of service and increasing news literacy. Then we dive into Steve's new book THE DEATH OF TRUTH, exploring how social media and the internet have eroded trust and polarized society.

    03:07 Steven Brill's Background and Career Journey

    05:43 The Birth of NewsGuard

    32:31 The Importance of Transparency in Journalism

    35:34 The Role of Algorithms and Programmatic Advertising

    38:56 Understanding Section 230 and Its Impact

    48:21 The Human Element: Susceptibility and Demagoguery

    52:53 Proposed Solutions to Combat Misinformation

    56:43 Final Thoughts and How to Engage in Better Conversations

    Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

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    News Roundup with Will Wright: Assassination Attempt; VP Pick; Dismissal of Documents Case; to Biden or Not to Biden; and “STFU" IS NOT THE ANSWER! Jul 18, 2024
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    There's so much happening in the news right now. We thought it'd be a good idea to get together with our pal Will Wright from the Faithful Politics podcast to think through some of the most relevant news stories from the last few days.

    The topics we discuss include:

    • The attempted assassination of former President Trump
    • The pick of Senator J.D. Vance from Ohio to be Trump's running mate
    • To Biden or not to Biden (and "STFU" is not the answer)
    • Judge Aileen Cannon’s dismissal of the classified documents case against Donald Trump

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    Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

    Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com

    https://www.faithfulpolitics.us/

    will@faithfulpoliticspodcast.com

    Stuart Stevens' piece in The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/antidemocratic-uprising-against-joe-biden/678865/

    David French's column on the Aileen Cannon ruling - https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/09/opinion/thepoint#documents-case-dismissed

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    Comments on the Attempted Assassination of Former President Trump Jul 15, 2024
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    The events of July 13, 2024 underscore the central question we've been asking on this program: How can we do better at talking about politics and religion without killing each other or is it even possible? In this special edition, we provide comments by several prior guests of TP&R as well as a number of other leaders from both parties. We included statements from David French, Monica Guzman on behalf of Braver Angels, Fred Guttenberg, former Congressman Joe Walsh, Elizabeth Neumann, Pete Wehner, Mike Madrid, and former Congressman Adam Kinzinger, all of whom have appeared on this podcast. We also shared statements from former President George W. Bush, former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, President Joe Biden, House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Senate Leader Chuck Schumer. There are other posts that are counterproductive at best, and arguably dangerous, from the likes of Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance, Tim Scott and MTG. These are referred to but are not worth giving any credence as we choose to focus on, as David French puts it, "recover(ing) our sense of decency and basic respect for the humanity of our opponents..." at such a time as this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/09/opinion/thepoint?smid=url-share#trump-shooting-healing-america

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-pennsylvania/679004/

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    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

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    David French, Opinion columnist with the New York Times on faith, family, Constitutional law and religion in America Jul 11, 2024
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    What's it like to get pounded by folks who passionately object to one's theological orthodoxy and political conservatism? And then to get mercilessly attacked for speaking out against the hypocrisy being exhibited by other supposed conservatives?

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    In this much anticipated conversation with New York Times columnist David French, we discuss the health of democracy, judicial and political issues, potential outcomes of a second Trump presidency, and the complexities of interacting with opposing viewpoints. David shares personal anecdotes, including his wife Nancy French's battle with cancer, insights into dealing with dishonesty within political movements and religious communities, and how these latest chapters of American Christendom have tested his own faith.

    We delve into

    • The impact of polarized environments on political and social discourse
    • Insights into the current state of American Christendom versus Christianity
    • The judicial philosophy and significant rulings of the current U.S. Supreme Court
    • Strategies for engaging in meaningful conversations across political and ideological divides
    • Personal reflections on navigating public and private challenges with faith and integrity.

    David Lee Roth... no wait... David French! David French is an Opinion columnist with the New York Times who writes about faith, friendship, marriage and parenting as well as foreign affairs and the latest developments in American constitutional law. He also writes about religion in America, with a particular focus on the health of the evangelical church. David graduated from Harvard Law and was a commercial litigator for a number of years, and then ultimately switched to constitutional law. Remarkably, well into his legal career, David decided to serve our country as an Army lawyer with the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment in Diyala Province in Iraq during the height of the Surge in 2007. After spending much of his career defending free speech, religious freedom and due process in courtrooms across the country, David joined National Review as a senior writer, but left in 2019 to help start The Dispatch, a conservative media company, where he continues to contribute to their "flagship" podcast Advisory Opinions. He also became a contributing writer for The Atlantic. And just last year, he joined The Times.

    03:53 David French on Personal and Family Challenges

    06:49 Faith and Role Models

    10:54 Navigating Faith and Politics

    20:19 Concerns About American Christendom

    33:42 Potential Threats of a Second Trump Term

    45:37 Supreme Court and Judicial Philosophy

    49:44 Classical Liberals vs. MAGA Conservatives

    50:18 Supreme Court Decisions Frustrating MAGA

    52:13 Thomas and Alito: MAGA's Favorite Justices?

    57:08 The Rahimi Case and Judicial Philosophy

    01:05:43 Breaking Out of Political Bubbles

    01:07:59 Engaging with Opposing Views

    01:18:20 PCA Cancellation and Personal Reflections

    Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

    Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com

    Advisory Opinions, the flagship podcast of The Dispatch: https://thedispatch.com/podcast/advisoryopinions/

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    (Best of) Monica Guzman: How To Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times Jul 08, 2024
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    This is a conversation with Mónica Guzmán from almost 2 years ago right after her book, I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY, came out. Moni is on the front lines of addressing the problem of polarization and helping people bridge the political divide in their everyday lives. Everything we discussed is even more pressing today than when we first talked.

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    What can happen when people from different "tribes" actually get together in person? We often jump to conclusions based merely on how someone votes. But do we take the time to understand how they arrived at that decision? How can we bring our friends and neighbors from a posture of contentiousness to one of curiosity? To put down the weapons of the culture war and pick up a cup of coffee with someone from the "other side"? Does sharing facts change people's minds? Does the tactic of dropping the perfectly worded factoid actually convince anyone of anything? Is there a line someone might cross where they're no longer a person we can even have a conversation with? We can have conversations about what is true, what is meaningful and what is useful. Is that all the same conversation?

    Monica Guzman is Senior Fellow for Public Practice at Braver Angels, the nation’s largest cross-partisan grassroots organization working to depolarize America; founder and CEO of Reclaim Curiosity, an organization working to build a more curious world; and cofounder of the award-winning Seattle newsletter The Evergrey. She was a 2019 fellow at the Henry M. Jackson Foundation and a 2016 fellow at the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University. She served twice as a juror for the Pulitzer Prize. A Mexican immigrant, Latina, and dual US/Mexico citizen, and is the author of I Never Thought of It That Way: How To Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times.

    https://braverangels.org/

    https://www.moniguzman.com/

    https://www.moniguzman.com/book

    Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

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    Being Anti-Trump BECAUSE I'm a Christian (ICYMI) Jul 04, 2024
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    ICYMI... Let's talk about the words, actions and character of Donald J. Trump in light of what the Bible says about virtue and vice. But instead of starting with our political preferences and prejudices and THEN backing shards of Scripture into what we want, what if we started with what the Bible actually says FIRST? Then we can more earnestly reckon with the implications of what we're dealing with today.

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    Here are a few of the Scriptural references that came up:

    • Exodus 20: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."
    • 2 Kings 3: "(Jehoram) did evil in the sight of the Lord."
    • Proverbs 6: "There are six things that the Lord hates, Seven that are an abomination to Him..."
    • Proverbs 10: "Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool..."
    • John 2: "(Jesus) said, 'Take these things away from here; stop making My Father’s house a place of business!'”

    Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

    Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com

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    Being Anti-Trump BECAUSE I'm a Conservative (ICYMI)) Jul 01, 2024
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    ICYMI... What does it mean to be a conservative? What about being a Christian? What does that mean in terms of how one would understand and uphold virtue vs vice? And if I am truly a conservative and a Christian, can I then support Donald Trump?

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    In this edition, we explore the nuances of conservative values and Christian beliefs amidst our politically charged environment. To get clarity on what it means to be a conservative and a Christian, it requires NOT surrendering to the extremists who monopolize conversations around politics and religion. Our discussion dives into the foundational principles of conservatism, such as:

    • Individual Freedom,
    • Limited Government,
    • Rule of Law,
    • Peace through Strength,
    • Fiscal Responsibility,
    • Free Markets,
    • and *Human Dignity,

    ...contrasting these with the divisive and aggressive tactics often employed in Trump-era politics. Contrary to what passes for “conservative” in today’s political and media landscape, we’ll look at the way true conservatism respects the U.S. Constitution and promotes a healthy, engaged citizenry, devoid of blanket vilification via broad generalizations and dehumanization. We’ll also give a sneak peak into Part II of this discussion on Christian values, specifically targeting the misalignment of Trump's actions with biblical teachings. So, yeah, this one might tweak some beaks!

    02:49 The Impact of Extremism on Public Discourse;

    13:40 Exploring the True Meaning of Conservatism;

    14:16 Principles of Conservatism vs. Trumpism;

    27:29 The Importance of Human Dignity in Conservatism;

    34:35 Teaser for the Next Episode: Christianity vs Trumpism

    Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

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    Fred Guttenberg and Joe Walsh, are on very different sides of the gun debate but they're also "Two Dads Defending Democracy" together (Best of) Jun 27, 2024
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    Had to share this one again partly because Fred's beloved Florida Panthers are Stanley Cup Champs! (The same Florida Panthers who beat Corey's favorite team, the New York Rangers, in the Eastern Conference Final.) But this wasn't just a conversation that brought rivals across hockey loyalties together; it brought together "Two Dads Defending Democracy," Fred Guttenberg and Joe Walsh, who are helping to bridge the gap during divisive times...

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    Fred Guttenberg became a nationally known activist on gun safety after his daughter Jaime was tragically murdered in the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida. Former Congressman Joe Walsh has been a self-described "rabid gun rights advocate." So how did these two guys go from being on completely different sides of such a heated issue to becoming dear friends who are now collaborating on a national tour called TWO DADS DEFENDING DEMOCRACY?

    In this special coming together, we explore Fred and Joe's evolution from adversaries to collaborators through their unique friendship. Initially at odds due to their differing views on gun control, they discovered a shared commitment to democracy and engaging in respectful dialogue across political and ideological divides. They speak about their collaborative initiative, "Two Dads Defending Democracy," aimed at encouraging Americans to participate in the democratic process, highlight the importance of conversations across differences, and reflect on personal stories that underscore their transformation. We talk about a number of ways they're both trying to make a positive difference including Fred's non-profit Orange Ribbons for Jaime, Joe's continued contributions on White Flag with Joe Walsh, and their appearances together demonstrating that instead of remaining enemies over any given issue, even those we're most passionate about, mutual respect wins every time.

    00:42 Getting to Know Joe Walsh: From Congress to Gun Rights Advocate;

    02:24 Fred Guttenberg's Journey: From Tragedy to Advocacy;

    03:44 Bridging Divides: A Story of Friendship and Understanding;

    07:39 Real Talk about Gun Safety;

    13:20 The Power of Dialogue: Moving Beyond Polarization;

    14:57 A Deep Dive into the Second Amendment and Gun Safety;

    20:33 Finding Common Ground: The Path to Reducing Gun Violence;

    30:58 Exploring Red Flag Laws: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly;

    33:41 The Impact of 'White Flag' on Activism and Public Policy;

    35:09 America's Shift in Gun Culture and the NRA's Influence;

    42:31 More Bridging Divides: Two Dads Defending Democracy;

    50:44 Engaging Across Differences: Strategies for Democracy;

    52:41 Closing Thoughts: Hope, Engagement, and the American Experiment

    Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.

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    fredguttenberg.com

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    twitter.com/WalshFreedom

    White Flag with Joe Walsh: pod.link/1590913798

    www.udel.edu/udaily/2024/january/joe-walsh-fred-guttenberg-snf-ithaca-initiative-democracy-speaking-tour/

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