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Conspiracy Theory Related Interviews with Mick West

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Episode 27 – Michael Shermer: Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories — The Great Courses Oct 10, 2019
Show notes

Dr Michael Shermer is founder of The Skeptics Society, and editor-in-chief of its magazine Skeptic. He’s written several books on science and skepticism and his latest work is an audio-only 12-part course, for Audible and The Great Courses, called Conspiracies & Conspiracy Theories: What We Should and Shouldn’t Believe—and Why. We cover the full spectrum of conspiracies, their history and context, their social and psychological causes and their very real effects. We discuss real and false conspiracies, and how to tell the difference. We then finish up with UFOs, the Intellectual Dark Web, and the Skeptical Movement.

Conspiracies & Conspiracy Theories can be found on Audible or via Amazon.

Skeptic’s Society and Magazine

Michael Shermer on Facebook

Michael Shermer on Twitter

Episode 27 – Michael Shermer: Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories — The Great Courses Oct 10, 2019
Show notes

Dr Michael Shermer is founder of The Skeptics Society, and editor-in-chief of its magazine Skeptic. He’s written several books on science and skepticism and his latest work is an audio-only 12-part course, for Audible and The Great Courses, called Conspiracies & Conspiracy Theories: What We Should and Shouldn’t Believe—and Why. We cover the full spectrum of conspiracies, their history and context, their social and psychological causes and their very real effects. We discuss real and false conspiracies, and how to tell the difference. We then finish up with UFOs, the Intellectual Dark Web, and the Skeptical Movement.

Conspiracies & Conspiracy Theories can be found on Audible or via Amazon.

Skeptic’s Society and Magazine

Michael Shermer on Facebook

Michael Shermer on Twitter

Episode 26: UFO Jesus – Disclosure, the Nimitz Tic-Tac, and UFO Evidence Oct 03, 2019
Show notes

UFO Jesus is a popular advocate of UFO “disclosure”, the belief that the US Government is close to revealing that it knows that some UFOs actually are the result of alien visitors. We talk about this and our different interpretation of the evidence used to support this case. In particular, we focus on the 2004 case of the USS Nimitz, where, over several days, unexplained sightings and radar returns culminated in two fighter planes observing what one pilot, Commander David Fravor, described as a “white Tic-Tac shaped craft” performing impossible maneuvers. A later video was also taken, which I think shows a distant plane, and UFO fans think is this Tic-Tac. There are rumors of a higher-resolution longer video that shows more.

UFO Jesus closes with six prophecies, and I’m a bit skeptical. But he gives a nice short timeframe of six years, so we’ll see.

UFO Jesus on Twitter @PostDisclosure

UFO Jesus on Youtube – Post Disclosure World

The USS Nimitz UFO Incident (Wikipedia)

Accuracy of Memories of 9/11

Episode 25 – Jason Bermas: Producer of Loose Change, Shade, Invisible Empire Sep 28, 2019
Show notes

Jason Bermas is a producer, writer, and YouTuber, best known for conspiracy documentaries such as Loose Change, Fabled Enemies, Shade, and Invisible Empire. Loose Change was a seminal documentary for the 9/11 “Truth” movement, and I’ve often heard people cite it as a big part of why they got interested in the various 9/11 conspiracy theories.

We talk about the topics in his films: 9/11, geopolitics and corruption, chemtrails, But we also talk quite a bit about UFOs, video games, and quantum computing.

I deeply disagree with a lot of Jason’s positions, particularly on 9/11 and his New World Order theories (and chemtrails, of course) but people can always find common ground. We both enjoyed playing Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater, we find quantum physics fascinating, and we both agree there’s lots of harmful corruption in the world. By having a civil discussion founded on that common ground we were able to advance our mutual understanding, and hopefully move everyone a bit closer to reality.

Jason Bermas on Twitter

Jason’s Infowarrior YouTube Channel

YouTube channel with Enhanced WTC Videos

Ron Insana’s recollections of Sept 12, mentioning WTC7 and “Controlled Implosion”

Episode 24: Nick Pope – Area 51, UFOs and UFOlogy Sep 26, 2019
Show notes

Nick Pope is a journalist and media commentator who writes and talks a lot about the UFO phenomenon. He is perhaps best known for a role he undertook for the British Government from 1991 to 1994 which involved investigating reports of UFO sightings. We talk about his recent trip to view the storming of Area 51, his history of investigating UFO sighting, the current state of UFOlogy research and culture, and interaction with people on the internet

Episode 23 – Ian/TheoryQED: UFOs, Government Cover-ups, and Alien Visitors. Sep 23, 2019
Show notes

Ian goes by the name TheoryQED on Metabunk and his YouTube Channel, where he posts about UFOs. Unlike me, and definitely unlike my last guest (Seth Shostak), Ian thinks there’s something highly significant to the UFO phenomenon, maybe even alien visitors. Like most Americans, he also suspects the government is not telling us everything it knows.

Some of our disagreements have been about three videos that have been in the news recently: “Go Fast”, “Gimbal,” and “Flir1”. The latter is particularly interesting as there are a large number of eyewitnesses from the Nimitz Carrier strike group who report a variety of odd events and sightings surrounding that videos – like Commander Fravor’s “Tic-Tac” incident.

We also have a nice chat about UFOs in general and the possibility (or probability) of visiting aliens.

Ian’s Channel: TheoryQED

Chilean Navy UFO (Solved)

Five Observable Characteristics of UFOs

Plane flying towards me from Sacramento, as a UFO.

Nimitz (Aircraft carrier) Incident

Gary Voorhis interview.

Voorhis Quote: “The Big-Eyes are pretty good binoculars. You couldn’t grasp the shape, so you knew it was there, that’s why they were called TicTacs, but you couldn’t grasp the shape or the design of the way that it looked. But in the video, you could see it.”

Alcubierre drive

Episode 22 – Seth Shostak: SETI Senior Astronomer on the Search for ETs, UFO “Disclosure”, and Storming Area 51. Sep 14, 2019
Show notes

Seth Shostak is the Senior Astronomer for the SETI Institute and former Director of Center for SETI Research. A popular science communicator, Seth has hosted SETI’s weekly radio show (and now podcast) Big Picture Science since 2002. We discuss the work of SETI, and some of the more interesting developments. We also talk about the UFO “Disclosure” conspiracy theory, which suggests the US government is covering up evidence of extraterrestrial encounters and is (perhaps) on the verge of disclosing this information. We also discuss the related cultural phenomenon, Storm Area 51.

SETI Institute: https://www.seti.org/

Big Picture Science: http://radio.seti.org/

Episode 21: Donald Friedman – Engineer at the World Trade Center After 9/11 Sep 10, 2019
Show notes

Donald Friedman, P.E., F.ASCE, is a professional engineer with more than 25 years of experience in the investigation, analysis, and restoration of landmark buildings. He has taught engineering at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and Columbia University; he has spoken at numerous conferences including the fourth and fifth ASCE Forensics Conference; he is the author of After 9-11: An Engineer’s Work at the World Trade Center, based on his work at the World Trade Center site, starting September 12, 2001.

We talked about his experience at the 9/11 WTC site, and how what he saw relates to the various conspiracies regarding the collapses of the World Trade Center Buildings. We specifically discuss the recent University of Alaska study that Professor Leroy Hulsey carried out for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. We close out with a discussion of how New York structural engineers view the 9/11 controlled demolition conspiracy theories.

Episode 20 – JM Talboo: Debunker of 9/11 Debunkers Sep 08, 2019
Show notes

JM Talboo runs the web site http://911debunkers.blogspot.com subtitled “Debunking the Debunkers of the 9/11 Truth Movement”. His focus is on debunking people like me, i.e. people who debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories. But he also debunks 9/11 Truthers when he sees them make mistakes, and recently added another subtitle to his blog: “Refuting the Hollow Arguments of the So-called 9/11 Debunkers & Truthers”

We talk about how he got into 9/11 Truth and blogging, how his beliefs have changed over time, and wander into the weeds of a variety of 9/11 related topics. We also venture further into the conspiracysphere, touching on JFK, Chemtrails, False Flags, and other topics.

JM’s Source list: https://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2019/09/mick-west-discusses-911-and.html

Episode 19 – Mike Rothschild: Decline of QAnon, Death of Epstein, and other Conspiracies. Sep 01, 2019
Show notes

Mike Rothschild is a writer who is an expert on a variety of conspiracy theories, in particular QAnon. We discuss the drawn-out decline of the QAnon theory, prosperity scams, and the theories around the death of the Jeffery Epstein. We also discuss Mikes upcoming book, The World’s Worst Conspiracies.

Mike on Twitter: @rothschildmd

QAnon (Wikipedia)

Comey not getting prosecuted

Iraqi Dinar Scam

Hyoid Bone Fractures with suicide and age.

Clinton Body Count (Snopes)

Hawaii official’s death in plane crash, covert scuba murder theory.

Mike’s book: The World’s Worst Conspiracies – The Truth They Don’t Want You to Know

Episode 18 – Paradigm Shift – A Student With Questions about 9/11 and the Possibility of Explosives Aug 25, 2019

Show notes

“Paradigm Shift” is the name used by a poster on Metabunk. Paradigm Shift had made many posts about 9/11, and the need, as he sees it, for a new investigation to look into the possibility of explosives being used to bring down the twin towers. Online discussions can be slow-moving and fractious, so I asked him to come on the podcast for a more detailed and direct conversation about what we believe, and why we believe it.

Paradigm Shift is a student in his mid-20s. The drum graphic is what he uses as an Avatar on Metabunk.

Plane Crash into Empire State Building
NIST Reports of 2005 (WTC1 & WTC2) and 2008 (WTC7)
Video of WTC7 Fires
Windsor Tower Fire and Partial Collapse
Mick West Debating Tony Szamboti
Operation Paperclip (German Scientists Recruited Post WWII)
Operation Mockingbird (CIA’s infiltration of the Media from the 1950s to 1970s)
The Last Column at Ground Zero, removed May 28 2002. (seven months after collapse)
Book: Nine Months at Ground Zero – Stout, Vitchers, & Gray
Book: After 9-11: An Engineer’s Work at the World Trade Center – Donald Friedman (Description of welds snapping p.104)

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