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    Take as Directed

    Take as Directed is the podcast series of the CSIS Global Health Policy Center. It highlights important news, events, issues, and perspectives in global health policy, particularly in infectious disease, health security, and maternal, newborn, and child health. The podcast brings you commentary and perspectives from some of the leading voices in global health and CSIS Global Health Policy Center in-house experts

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    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Bill Frist – “You Are Not Going to See the Snake Over In the Bush…” Feb 10, 2021
    Show notes

    …if you are fed misinformation from the top of the US government. Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist joined us to reflect on his life and where our country is. “I have radically changed my life … for the better. Refocused my life on nature.” In his 12 years in the Senate, he was the only doctor who had taken care of a patient… the only scientist. It was tough selling his 2005 Manhattan Project plan for pandemic preparedness. Today with Covid-19: “We have failed as a country.” Trump failed at communications by spreading false information, undermining scientists, downplaying the severity. In Tennessee, “hundreds of people died unnecessarily.” “If there is a fire in the forest, you have to know where it is.” And test. “Health security is national security, And we have to treat it as such.” The January 6 insurrection? “For me it was very personal. Took me back to 23 years ago when a man came into the Capitol and assassinated two police.” Does the Republican Party have a future? “ It is in search of a leader.” Listen to hear the full answer.

    Bill Frist, a renowned heart and lung transplant surgeon, served two terms in the Senate, including as the Senate Majority Leader 2003-2007. Today he remains a highly influential health policy expert, at home and abroad, a medical innovator, advocate, businessman, and naturalist. He hosts a very active podcast, ‘A Second Opinion.’ He lives on a farm in Franklin, Tennessee.


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Scott Kirby, United Airlines “Perhaps This Is the End of the Beginning” Feb 03, 2021
    Show notes

    We were delighted to join this week with Scott Kirby, the CEO of United Airlines. The impact of the pandemic upon the airline industry has been “devastating,” the worst in its history. Luckily, bipartisan broad-based support for the industry – contained in the CARES Act and the December $900 B emergency measure – has preserved this critical infrastructure. Variants are a stark threat: “We’re giving the virus a large playing field upon which to mutate, for variants to become more deadly, more transmissible, or to evade vaccines.” United is actively working with partners to develop vaccine passports: passports are “the key not just to reopening borders and travel, but to reopening segments of the economy that have been closed.” “It is the right thing to do to make vaccines mandatory” though United has not yet taken that step. 1,000 passengers who refused masks have been banned from flying on United. Immediately after the January 6 violent insurrection against the Capitol, United took several “tactical steps” in its flights in and out of Washington. Decarbonization remains a personal passion. United has joined the world’s largest “air capture and carbon sequestration” project and led the industry in biofuels.


    Scott Kirby became the CEO of United Airlines in May of 2020. From 2016-2020, he was United’s President.


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Dr. Alisha Kramer, the “New Normal” is “Not So Normal” Feb 02, 2021
    Show notes

    Dr. Alisha Kramer, a CSIS alum and young doctor serving poor, black, pregnant women in Atlanta hospitals, rejoins us for a second podcast. One year into the pandemic, a “new normal” has arisen that is still jarring, a “disconnect” in the changes in medical practice. Vaccine hesitancy is a “shocking” matter among nursing staff. Black persons “have every right to be distrustful” of the health system. If we give the “microphone back to the experts… based on the science,” if we rely on neighbor to neighbor communications, trust will return. We have not yet learned much about Covid-19 infection in pregnant women. It is up to the pregnant individual and her provider to determine whether to go ahead with a vaccine. Her thoughts on her husband Jonathan Ossoff’s successful quest for a Senate seat? “We can all agree 2020 has been incredibly surreal.” Black women in Georgia carried the day.

    Dr. Alisha Kramer, a revered former colleague at the CSIS Global Health Policy Center, graduated in 2019 from Emory University School of Medicine. She is currently a resident specializing in obstetrics and gynecology at Atlanta public and private hospitals.


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Céline Gounder “Fatalism is the Greatest Threat to Public Health.” Jan 26, 2021
    Show notes

    Dr. Céline Gounder, a member of the Biden-Harris Transition Covid-19 Advisory Board, takes a look at where we are, less than one week after President Biden assumed power. Deborah Birx and Tony Fauci have each come forward, unshackled, to discuss the moral and professional quandaries they faced, including threats and coercion, as Trump erected false narratives, intensifying in the fall electoral season and beyond, steering Americans into a human catastrophe. “Proximity to power is intoxicating. It corrupts judgment.” “I was impressed by Dr. Birx’s road trip.” It was “a smart pivot.” President Biden has shifted to unification and healing: “That is the way to get to the other side.” It is “calming” when public health and science leaders speak directly to the American people, aided by trusted messengers – the local sheriff, the faith leader, the soccer coach. There was chaos during the vaccine introduction, as the incoming administration was handed a “black box.” The way forward is through continued masking, social distancing, hand washing, along with patience, realism and an optimistic determination in expanding vaccine coverage, amid shortages.

    Dr. Céline Gounder is Assistant Professor at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine, President/CEO and founder of Just Human Productions, and host of the Epidemic and American Diagnosis podcasts. She served as a member of the Biden-Harris Transition Covid-19 Advisory Board.


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Chef Jose Andres “The Fuel That Moves Humanity is Food.” Jan 14, 2021
    Show notes

    Chef Jose Andres sat down with us to reflect on his life, the organizations he has founded, and his unique, powerful vision for using food to transform communities, battle inequities, advance unity and strengthen economies. When he landed in America as a young man, “I became an American way before I became an American by a passport.” Two years later, at age 23, he chose Washington to be his home: it is the “place where things can happen.” He created relief organization World Central Kitchen to operate in “the limbo between emergency and reconstruction.” “People feel forgotten.” In response to Covid-19 in American and Spain, WCK has served over 36 million meals by partner restaurants converted to community kitchens across America. “We move very quickly.. it is in our DNA.” He has become increasingly convinced that “food is a national security issue” requiring a U.S. “Food Czar” next to the President, with “real power” and a “real budget.” “Hunger is something that cannot wait.” What’s next for 2021? Focus on revitalizing his businesses, the ThinkFoodGroup: “when it is safe.. bring the restaurants back..” Keep moving forward with WCK, changing our national conversation on food. Unity is the key: “I believe in lower walls and longer tables.”


    Chef Jose Andres, based in Washington, D.C., is the renowned chef, founder and head of both the ThinkFoodGroup restaurant group and the rapid-response humanitarian organization, World Central Kitchen.


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Luciana Borio – “It’s Gonna Be Hard.” Jan 11, 2021
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    Dr. Luciana Borio, a member of President-elect Biden’s Covid-19 Advisory Group and the transition team, scanned the horizon. On the development of Covid-19 vaccines: “All in all, this has been a spectacular success.” Special tribute goes to the FDA career staff, the “heroes” who charted the path forward. Now most worrying: ensuring large scale manufacturing of the MRNA vaccines, and fixing logistics - “the gaping hole” created by a wholesale lack of planning. Vaccine hesitancy, equity, and the ”extraordinary” complexity of delivery all demand high attention. “We don’t have visibility” into the new variants of the virus, due to inadequate genomic surveillance. Development of therapies was hindered by “a lot of noise” surrounding hydroxychloroquine and convalescent plasma: a more rigorous, less political approach will deliver better results. In the next year, while “it’s gonna be hard,” there is “no better team” than the one assembled to begin work on January 20.

    Dr. Luciana Borio is a member of President-elect Biden’s Covid-19 Advisory group and the transition team. She is a Vice President at In-Q-Tel in Washington, DC. She previously served as Director for Medical and Biodefense Preparedness at the National Security Council under both Presidents Obama and Trump.


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Chris Murray, America’s Reopening Dec 16, 2020
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    Chris Murray, the renowned modeler, joined us to share his year-end reflections. In this year unlike any other, Covid-19 pushed modeling onto new ground, as forecasting of individual and governmental behavior became essential to inform decisions in the near to medium term. It’s been “a steep learning curve.” Looking ahead to 2021, in Q1 and 2 we will see a profound pivot, as vaccinations are scaled, winter ends, government policies evolve, and immunity within the population rises. We should arrive at “a surprisingly decent place in June or July.” As we “bounce back to pre-Covid behavior,” it will be a “balancing act.” Success in reaching herd immunity rests on a campaign to get “the maybes,” upwards of 30 percent of the population, while the 15-20 percent of “straight refusers” won’t budge. A vitally important “lingering question:” will we have attained enough vaccine coverage that nothing terrible happens in the winter of 2021-2022?

    Chris Murray is the Director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington.


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Artist Suzanne Firstenberg – a Sea of 267,080 White Flags Dec 10, 2020
    Show notes

    Steve and Andrew had the good fortune to catch Suzanne Firstenberg shortly after the recent conclusion of her stunning public art installation, ‘In America…. How could this happen?,’ a dramatic tribute to those lost to Covid-19. This “awakening,” comprised of 267, 080 white flags, stood on the parade grounds of the Washington DC National Guard Armory between October 23 and November 30. What motivated her to act so boldly, and how was it possible to succeed so rapidly, moving in just a few weeks from concept to creation? What were the key messages she was conveying, and what was the human experience of those who participated in it? As she explains, she could not do this alone. Several key partners joined with her, most notably Ruppert Landscaping and Jose Andres and World Central Kitchen. Others from the Smithsonian and National Geographic acted to preserve and capture this achievement.

    Suzanne Firstenberg is a social action artist based in Bethesda, Maryland. Her installation was covered by National Geographic, among other outlets, and you can find a Nat Geo video of the installation here.


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Dr. Carissa Etienne – the Americas at the Epicenter of Covid-19 Dec 09, 2020
    Show notes

    Dr. Carissa Etienne, Director of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), joined Steve Morrison and CSIS Senior Fellow Katherine Bliss for an extended conversation. Why have the Americas become the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic? What does it signal in terms of deep inequities, weak health systems, and quality of leadership? The region faces cascading crises – debt, extreme poverty, malnutrition, interrupted health services. How are these threats to be blunted? And what role can strengthening primary health care services play? PAHO has a remarkable record of achievement stretching back over a century. How to better make the case to the citizens of the United States of contributions PAHO makes to protecting them? How will the Covax Facility and the PAHO Revolving Fund interact to bring affordable Covid-19 vaccines quickly to the region, at the same time that Russia and China are actively marketing their unproven vaccines to the continent?

    Since 2013, Dr. Carissa Etienne has been Director of the Pan American Health Organization. She previously served as chief medical officer and coordinator of the National AIDS Program in her native Dominica, and as Assistant Director-General for Health Systems at the World Health Organization (WHO).


    Coronavirus Crisis Update: Dr. Leana Wen – We are at a Breaking Point Nov 30, 2020
    Show notes

    A renowned medical and public health voice of compassion, personal advice, pragmatism and vision, Dr. Leana Wen joined us for a tour d’horizon of the pandemic, at this moment of “explosive exponential growth.” Why is it so crucial today to have credible, trusted public health voices? Why have so many Americans disregarded the recent Thanksgiving warnings, and why do so many Americans continue to minimize the threat of Covid-19? The Phase 3 vaccine results are “great news” and we now have to attend to the “serious problem” of distrust, and the risk of asking already highly constrained local and state public health officials to run demanding vaccine programs, with an urgent need for new financing. Solutions take different forms. “Messengers often matter more than message.” On vaccines and restoring trust, there is a need to hear from business leaders, pastors and other religious figures, and Republicans. In many areas – schools, business closures, scientific trials – “moderated” nuanced policies and “radical transparency” of data and decision-making will improve public understanding and support.


    Dr. Leana Wen is an emergency physician and Visiting Professor of Health Policy and Management at George Washington University School of Public Health. She is a contributing columnist at the Washington Post, and an on-air commentator for CNN. She served previously as Health Commissioner for the City of Baltimore.


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