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    Sunday School Dropouts

    Sunday School Dropouts is a podcast hosted by trained therapists Dr. Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs. Both Andrew and Laura grew up in high control religion and spent years trying to live up to the rules and standards until one day, they couldn’t do it anymore. They spent our lives aspiring to be true followers of God and all they got from it was religious trauma.So now, they’re taking our lived experiences along with their education, training, and work with clients to create this podcast–a podcast that goes beyond deconstruction and focuses on the unique aspects healing and recovery for folks coming out of high control religions, cults, fundamentalism, purity culture and those with religious trauma. Each episode they will be talking with other experts, mental health practitioners, coaches, advocates, therapists and folks who have survived fundamentalist systems, to learn from their experiences and offer resources and support for healing.

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    Rift: A Conversation with Cait West Nov 12, 2024
    Show notes

    We are joined today by Cait West–an author, podcaster, and educator. Cait recently published a book, “Rift: A Memoir Breaking Away from Christian Patriarchy” and is stopping by today to share with us about her book and her journey. Cait grew up in the Christian Patriarchy movement and was a stay at home daughter until age 25. Through courage and trusting herself, Cait was able to leave the system and family she grew up in and create a thriving life outside of it.

    Website: www.caitwest.com

    Substack: https://caitwest.substack.com

    Podcast: Survivors Discuss

    For Our Daughters Film

    Find Cait on Instagram

    Cait’s book: Rift: A Memoir Breaking Away from Christian Patriarchy

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at kevincrowe.co


    Taking Care of Yourself on Election Day Nov 05, 2024
    Show notes

    It’s Election Day in the United States…which can feel relieving, nerve wracking, and everything in between! It made sense that we use this episode to wrap up our Religious Trauma and Politics mini-series by talking about how to take care of yourself today, the next few days, and beyond. Andrew and Laura are talking about finding stability, how fear can cause us to do and think things that are not aligned with our core values, identifying what we can control, and how to take care of ourselves. And you’ll also get to hear who wins at the game of Presidential and Elections Jeopardy!

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at kevincrowe.co.


    Project 2025 gets an “F” Oct 29, 2024
    Show notes

    We are thrilled to have Julia and Jeremiah (aka the Sexvangelicals) back on the podcast today to wrap up our Religious Trauma and the Elections mini-series. Today’s topic: Project 2025. If you haven’t heard about it or don’t know what, consider this your catch up course to all things related to Project 2025. And in our opinion, this project gets an “F”. Jeremiah and Julia explain various policies, the language used, the history behind why we got here and how it connects to Christian Nationalism.

    To Connect with the Sexvangelicals:

    www.sexvangelicals.com

    Substack (Relationship 101): https://sexvangelicals.substack.com/

    IG: @sexvangelicals

    Resources mentioned in the pod:

    Andra Watkins’ article: https://project2025istheocracy.substack.com/p/why-anti-abortion-laws-christian

    Sexvangelicals’ first Project 2025 article: https://sexvangelicals.substack.com/p/what-does-the-republican-party-actually

    Sexvangelicals’ second Project 2025 article: https://sexvangelicals.substack.com/p/what-is-a-family-according-to-the

    Link to Project 2025 (the entire 900-pages!)
    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at kevincrowe.co.


    Disciples of White Jesus Oct 22, 2024
    Show notes

    The Sunday School Dropouts are proving their dropout status today! We are talking about all things White Christian Nationalism, including the origins, impacts, and how to heal with Rev. Angela Denker. Angela is the author of “Red State Christians” and the forthcoming book “Disciples of White Jesus” where she writes about the growing phenomenon of White Christian Nationalism and its impact on a specific group of people: White men and boys. Throughout this conversation we begin to see how this extremist approach began, why it thrives and even how to navigate relationships with people in our lives who live according to those values.

    Andrew and Laura also discuss the term ‘gaslighting’ and explain what it truly means–instead of how it’s talked about on social media and in pop culture–as a way to help people better organize and name what happened to them.

    Join the Religious Trauma and the Elections Support Groups! Find out more and/or sign up here!

    Books discussed today:

    Angry White Men by Michael Kimmel

    Connect with our Guest:

    Rev. Angela Denker @denkerangela

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe


    Using Fear and Trauma for Political Gain Oct 15, 2024
    Show notes

    Dan Miller is back on the podcast today with an excellent discussion regarding the way that extremist political groups use fear and trauma as a way to move their message forward, gain control, and get followers. It’s an episode you won’t want to miss as Dan, Andrew, and Laura dive into why groups target specific age ranges, the neuroscience of extreme thinking and propaganda, and how this can result in trauma.

    Today we are lifting Russell Brand up in prayer.

    To find out more about the Religious Trauma and the Elections self-led course, click here. Use code SUNDAYSCHOOLDROPOUTS for $50 off!

    Registration for the Religious Trauma and the Elections support group opens next week! Find out more about it here!

    Connect with Dan Miller:

    dan@traumaresolutionandrecovery.com

    danielmillerswaj@gmail.com

    https://www.straightwhiteamericanjesus.com/

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at kevincrowe.co

    The Marriage of Religion and Politics w/ Brad Onishi Oct 08, 2024
    Show notes

    We’re excited to have Brad Onishi back on the Sunday School Dropouts today! When we were thinking of what was important for folks to know as it related to religious trauma and the elections, we knew that we needed Brad on the podcast to talk about the history of religion and politics! This episode takes a deep dive, exploring the past 70 years of religious and political movements that joined together to get us to the point we are at now. Brad also shares about the practicalities of what this looks like in the current election cycle and politics as a whole.

    To find out more about the Religious Trauma and the Elections self-led course, click here. Use code SUNDAYSCHOOLDROPOUTS for $50 off!

    Registration for the Religious Trauma and the Elections support group opens next week! Find out more about it here!

    Here’s the link to listen to Brad’s episode regarding the impact of purity culture on men.

    Connect with Brad and support his work:

    Straight White American Jesus website

    Straight White American Jesus Podcast is available wherever you listen to podcasts!

    “Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism and What Comes Next” by Brad Onishi

    Follow on IG @straightwhitejc

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at kevincrowe.co.


    Star-Spangled Jesus Oct 01, 2024
    Show notes

    We are thrilled today to have back on our show April Ajoy! This is the third time April’s been on our podcast but the first time without her partner Beecher…and as much as we love Beecher, we are so glad to have April here today as she’ll be talking to us about her book that is coming out TODAY called “Star Spangled Jesus” which is available wherever you buy books and is also on Audible. The links for the book are in the show notes!

    April is a content creator who uses humor to shine light on the harmful, toxic and sometimes just weird traits of American Christianity. She is the Co-host of The Non-Binary Marriage Podcast and Co-Host of Evangelicalish and also co-hosts a weekly episode on The New Evangelicals podcast feed focusing on what’s been happening in the culture and its connection to religion that week.

    April is passionate about helping others overcome indoctrination and recognizes on a personal level just how difficult that can be. She knows that if she can do it, anyone can!

    To find out more about the Religious Trauma and the Elections self-led course, click here. Use code SUNDAYSCHOOLDROPOUTS for $50 off!

    Resources:

    Jamarcus Tisby books

    April’s book, “Star Spangled Jesus” can be purchased here

    Follow April on Instagram and TikTok: @aprilajoy

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe


    Healing Religious Trauma through the Nervous System Sep 24, 2024
    Show notes

    Want to heal from religious trauma? Then you’re listening to the right podcast! Today we are talking with licensed therapist, coach, and Somatic Experiencing practitioner, Jeremy Lehmann. Jeremy talks to us about what the nervous system is, it’s roll in trauma, and why it’s essential to the process of healing from trauma. We also get into a fascinating discussion regarding how the absence of safe and stable connection can also result in trauma through the topic of lack of sex education in high control religion.

    We’ll also be bringing to you our first vocabulary lesson of the season, discussing the term ‘trauma response’. Do Andrew and Laura think that it’s a term worth using or has social media co-opted yet another term to make it mean something entirely different? Tune in to hear their thoughts!

    Sign ups are still happening for a couple of the Fall Support Groups at the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery! Check them out here!

    Resources discussed today:

    To be Loved by Frank Anderson, MD

    Guest Info:

    Jeremy Lehmann, LMFT, SEP

    www.thrivery.com

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at www.kevincrowe.co

    We’re Back Baby! Welcome to Season 2 of Sunday School Dropouts! Sep 17, 2024
    Show notes

    We’re back! After a summer filled with Vacation Bible School and all of the adventures that go along with it, we are back for another season of Sunday School Dropouts! In this episode Andrew and Laura talk about some of the amazing guests and topics that will be coming on season 2 and are excited about bringing back our “touchstone topics”, a mini-series on religious trauma and the elections, sharing survivor stories of leaving and healing from religious trauma, and focusing on various aspects of medical and financial trauma and how they intersect with religious trauma. This week we’ll begin our touchstone topic series with a discussion about what religious trauma is! Our touchstone topic series is one where we talk about some of the foundations of religious trauma, the nervous system, the difference between deconstruction and deconversion, and adverse religious experiences.

    And we’re also bringing back some of your favorite segments! In this episode we have Flannelgraph Storytime where we have a fascinating discussion on the impact of James Dobson and the Strong Willed Child propaganda. And, we can’t forget prayer requests! This week we’re lifting up …the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Hulu and the bizarre case out of Aurora, CO where a faith based therapist is accused of abuse of her clients as she tried to reunify them with their criminally charged father.

    Resources that are discussed during this episode:

    • When Religion Hurts You by Laura Anderson

    • In an Unspoken Voice by Peter Levine

    • Healing Trauma by Peter Levine

    • No Bad Parts by Richard Schwartz

    Sign up for Fall Support Groups at the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery!

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing by Kevin Crowe and can be found at www.kevincrowe.co

    The Ark Encounter w/ April Ajoy and Beecher Reuning Aug 29, 2024
    Show notes

    This month the Sunday School Dropouts did some field-reporting…that is, we went on a field trip to the Ark Encounter and we took our friends April and Beecher with us. In today’s episode we share more about our experience at the Ark, what it was like to venture back into fundamentalist Christianity, listening to a live-lecture by Ken Hamm, and go through the story of Noah in Genesis as we look at it from a different perspective than when we were in VBS the first time around!

    To lighten the mood you’ll also be able to listen in on our sanctified gossip session as we talk about all things Christian persecution at the Olympics and the weirdness of JD Vance. And we have a few other segments too, to round out another great episode of Vacation Bible School–Sunday School Dropouts edition!

    We are thrilled to be joined again on this episode by the incredible April Ajoy and Beecher Reuning. April and Beecher are the co-hosts of the Non-Binary Marriage podcast which you can find wherever you listen to podcasts. April can be found across all social media platforms at @aprilajoy and Beecher can be found across all social media platforms at @hellobeecher.

    And, if you’re looking for a place to spend that extra tithe money, make sure to grab a copy of April’s forthcoming book, “Star Spangled Jesus” which is available for pre-order wherever you buy books!

    This podcast is brought to you by the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery: an online trauma coaching company whose practitioners are trauma informed and trauma trained to work with individuals, couples and families who have experienced high control religion, cults, and religious trauma. For more information on the support that CTRR provides, for resources–including courses, workshops, and more–head to traumaresolutionandrecovery.com or follow us on Instagram: @traumaresolutionandrecovery

    The views and opinions expressed by Sunday School Dropouts are those of the hosts and not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. Any of the content provided by our guests, sponsors, authors, or bloggers are their own ideas and opinions.

    The Sunday School Dropouts podcast is not anti-religion but it is anti -harm, -power and control, -oppression and, -abuse and will speak to the harmful practices and messaging of fundamentalist groups.

    Follow Andrew on Instagram and TikTok @deconstruct_everything

    Follow Laura on Instagram and TikTok @drlauraeanderson or on her website: www.drlauraeanderson.com

    Hosts:

    Laura Anderson and Andrew Kerbs

    Music by Benjamin Faye Music @heytherebenji

    Editing and Production by Kevin Crowe and can be found at kevincrowe.co

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