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    Speaking of Bitcoin (formerly Let’s Talk Bitcoin!)

    Featuring analysis and discourse by hosts Andreas M. Antonopoulos, Dr. Stephanie Murphy, Adam B. Levine, and Jonathan Mohan, episodes feature friendly, in-depth discussions and even-handed interviews.

    Speaking of Bitcoin (formerly known as Let’s Talk Bitcoin!) is the longest-running English language talk show on the ideas, people and projects surrounding the Bitcoin movement and Cryptocurrency phenomenon.

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    LTB #438 Bootstrapping Mobile Mesh Networks with Bitcoin Lightning Jun 14, 2020
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    On today’s episode of Let’s Talk Bitcoin! you’re invited to join Andreas M. Antonopoulos, Adam B. Levine, Stephanie Murpy and special guest Richard Myers for an in-depth look at the past, present and future of ‘Mobile Mesh Networking’ technology and the open source LOT49 protocol built on top of lightning.

    Just as cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin don’t rely on static infrastructure and professional providers, mobile mesh networking allows the creation of inexpensive, high range, low bandwidth and power consumption ad-hoc networks that’ll let your phone send text messages or even bitcoin lightning network micro-transactions, even in areas with no coverage.

    According to Richard, Bitcoin’s Lightning is a what’s needed to make mobile mesh networks catch on by bootstrapping on top of the payment routing infrastructure.

    “…the Lightning network currently sends payments from A to B to C and then all those intermediate nodes can connect a small fee if the payment is delivered at the end. All we’re doing is saying ‘Not only [can you send] a payment, but [you can send] a small message. In our case it’d be a SMS message. So you’re sending an SMS message along with a Lightning payment from A to B to C to D, and when D receives that message they return proof that it was delivered and that’s what flows back through the network. In the Lightning sense, that’s your pre-image. It’s computed from the message, that’s how the nodes are able to collect payment even if they lose touch with the original person who sent it.”

    But the way the Lightning network uses data natively isn’t ideal for mobile mesh. The open source Lot49 protocol is another layer on top of lightning that Richard says is necessary to make it work at scale while using mesh devices as an extremely low-bandwidth TOR-like privacy layer.

    “In many ways we’re not making a new protocol, we’re literally using lightning. Lot49 is custom communication protocol that’s optimized for mesh. For example, right now there’s a 1300 byte onion that’s used to route messages over the internet and that’s very important because you lose a lot of privacy… you lose all your privacy… if you were to just send messages over the internet without onion routing.

    We’re sending over more or less a physical TOR network since it’s going from node to node, not through a central ISP who can associate who you’re trying to pay. We’re also doing it over a low bandwidth network, so if you were sending 1300 bytes it may not sound like much in the age of the internet but we’re talking about devices that [have a maximum data transmission capacity of] about a kilobyte a minute so that’s a significant amount of the bandwidth that you have [tied up just in the web’s onion routing]

    So for example with LOT49, we take out the onion and we use the native routing at the mesh device [level] which is optimized for mesh communications. And there’s a few other little changes we make like that in order to reduce the bandwidth by chunking up messages… the ultimate goal is to minimize the lightning protocol overhead so that there is more bandwidth available for data… For things like sending an SMS and as bandwidth increases there may be things like internet protocol…”

    Credits

    This episode of Let’s Talk Bitcoin features Stephanie Murphy, Andreas M. Antonopoulos, Adam B. Levine and Richard Myers. Music provided by Jared Rubens and Gurty Beats, with editing by Jonas.

    Photo by Josep Castells on Unsplash



    Let's talk Bitcoin! #437 Be Your Own Bank and the Luxury of Apathy Jun 07, 2020
    Show notes

    The episode is sponsored by eToro.com and The Internet of Money Vol. 3

    On today's episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin! you're invited to join Andreas M. Antonopoulos, Adam B. Levine, Jonathan Mohan and Stephanie Murpy for an in-depth discussion about the ups and downs, the good and the bad about being your own bank in the modern world of Bitcoin.

    The powerful idea and meme at the core of Bitcoin self-sovereignty is incredibly empowering but has an unspoken element that requires persistent competence and at least for some makes it more trouble than it's worth.

    As the world reels from the response to COVID-19 and disorder seems the trend on the rise, we discuss how although Bitcoin makes it possible for anyone to be their own bank, who actually wants the constant vigilance and anxiety that goes along with it? And what happens when things go wrong and there's no-one to blame but ourselves?

    "...There is tremendous luxury in having institutions that at least appear to be stable over some period of time where you don't need to worry about the details of how they work and what happens under failure conditions. That luxury is pretty concentrated in just a few places in the world and at some point you can't afford that luxury of apathy. - Andreas M. Antonopoulos, LTB! #437

    Credits

    This episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin features Stephanie Murphy, Jonathan Mohan, Andreas M. Antonopoulos and Adam B. Levine. Music provided by Jared Rubens, FromEther and Adam B. Levine, with editing by Jonas.

    Photo by Pathdoc on Shutterstock


    LTB #436 'We Need 30 Different Words for Different Kinds of Censorship' May 31, 2020
    Show notes

    The rallying cry of the totalitarian is "He farted first", but if both systems have produced similar outcomes, is there much of a difference? Inspired by a recent article in the Atlantic, in today's wide-ranging discussion the hosts of Let's Talk Bitcoin! dig deeply into the questions of censorship, propaganda and how things are both better and worse than in years past.

    The episode is sponsored by eToro.com and The Internet of Money Vol. 3

    Shownotes:

    • Who are they censoring from and how do we unpack this manipulation?
    • The rallying cry of the totalitarian is always “He farted first”
    • Who gets to decide what is censored?
    • The squeaky wheel of child pornography gets the attention, the much more insidious problem of silencing certain voices, or giving preference to other voices.
    • Propaganda goes hand-in-hand with censorship
    • Propaganda is harder to detect ‘reverse censorship’
    • Private platform curation have the right to moderate which can be interpreted as censorship.
    • You have to choose if you’re a publisher or a platform
    • What if AT&T listened to your phone calls, sold ads against them and disconnected you whenever you say something that would trouble sponsors?
    • Common carriers vs. publishers
    • FOSTA, SESTA and turning platforms into publishers
    • Crony capitalism will always co-opt government
    • The only way to win is not to play
    • The only way to not be coopted as a protocol is to have it not be owned by anyone.
    • It may be impossible to be a platform if you’re not a protocol
    • Information overload and compartmentalization
    • Are the solutions that are being proposed the solution that we need to solve this problem?
    • What kind of side effects does the solution have?
    • It’s one thing to say “there are idiots out there who have not developed critical thinking and are easily swayed and we need to fix this” and a whole other thing to say “And that’s why only the landed gentry should vote”
    • Do tech companies think they’re helping?
    • Benevolent fascism is still fascism
    • The public school system was never meant for the average person to be able to form their own opinion, “it is for factory men not philosophers”
    • Manufacturing consent with the power to control, censor, frame, set up the base assumptions of belief and then seek to nail them down.
    • A dictatorship of the mind is far more effective than a dictatorship of violence.
    • If Let’s Talk Bitcoin! Were on Youtube, we wouldn’t be able to say the word Covid-19. Avoiding totalitarian controls means missing opportunities presented by big would-be platforms.
    • Government surveillance vs. private surveillance provided to the government
    • What we learned from Edward Snowden
    • Does China commercialize surveillance?
    • And a lot more (Only room for 4,000 Characters on Anchor.fm, see https://www.coindesk.com/we-need-30-different-words-for-censorship-feat-andreas-m-antonopoulos for full shownotes)

    Credits

    This episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin features Stephanie Murphy, Jonathan Mohan, Andreas M. Antonopoulos and Adam B. Levine. Music provided by Jared Rubens and Gurty Beats, with editing by Jonas.

    Photo by Sebastiaan Stam on Unsplash


    LTB! #345: Bitcoin Miners, US Energy Producers and Moores Law May 10, 2020
    Show notes

    Although some believe bitcoin mining is a wasteful activity, on today's show we dig into the relative world of constant fuel production, lumpy demand and bitcoin based load balancing.

    After years of bitcoin mining domination by china-based miners, some US power producers, both professional and incidental, are beginning to get into the game as a way to be more green. It's a narrative reversal if ever we've seen one and if proven successful by the early players could change the bitcoin mining landscape as we know it.

    But even without a "Green Bitcoin" narrative in the US, one of China's two major mining advantages has evaporated as Moores Law stretches out the useful lifespan of modern bitcoin miners hardware.

    Correction: Before installing miners, Greenidge Generation previously shut down during off-peak season, during the episode Adam incorrectly stated that it previously shut down during off-peak hours.

    Today's episode features Andreas M. Antonopoulos, Stephanie Murphy, Jonathan Mohan and Adam B. Levine

    This episode features music by Jared Rubens and Gurty Beats. Today's show is edited by Jonas, and sponsored by eToro.com

    Photo by Thomas Kelley on Unsplash


    LTB #434: Lightning Network Messaging, Political Expediency and What Crisis Has Revealed Apr 26, 2020
    Show notes

    In a time of increasing censorship aimed towards protecting us, is truly private messaging possible? Why are we using "data driven" approaches when we know the data is wrong? Juggernaut's John Cantrell and HRF's Alex Gladstein help us see what the crisis has revealed.

    On today's show we've got a pair of interviews for you. First we speak with John Cantrell, the author of Juggernaut, a new messaging layer 3 application being built on top of layer 2 lightning network, which is itself built on top of layer one bitcoin. It's a lot of layers, but as a technological concept currently in beta it's a fascinating project, and we talk about it. (Juggernaut on Github)

    After the break we're joined again by Alex Gladstein of HRF.org for a discussion on political expediency in the age of pandemic and what crisis has revealed about various governments, and different types of governments around the world. Alex is one of my favorite returning guests, with his global human rights focused work taking him to some of the most interesting and most oppressed places around the world

    "What's interesting is that citizen journalists I know in Taiwan have pressed the government on this and they've gone to parliament and it's all on record, and they've said 'Have these (...) digital contact tracing or cell phone surveillance things been useful?' And the governments said "Only in one case.... Only in one case was this sort of mass surveillance approach been useful', so they've actually been honest with the people... But at the end of the day it does teach us that even the most progressive governments are going to be lured by the sirens call of using surveillance to tackle problems." - Alex Gladstein, Chief Strategy Officer HRF.org

    This episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin is sponsored by eToro.com and features content from John Cantrell, Alex Gladstein and Adam B. Levine. Todays show features music by Jared Rubens and Gurty Beats with editing by Jonas. Album Art original photo by Goh Rhy Yan on Unsplash


    Let's Talk Bitcoin! #433 Coronavirus Second Order Effects and Improving on Bitcoin With BitTorrent Creator Bram Cohen Apr 05, 2020
    Show notes

    In Today's discussion we'll briefly talk about some of the knock-on, or second order affects which the coronavirus disruption is having on our world today, and which may continue into the future. Then for the meat of the show we'll dig into specific areas where bitcoin could, or perhaps is being improved with the creator of one of the most impactful peer to peer technologies in the world today.


    This episode was sponsored by eToro.com, with music by Jared Rubens, Gurty Beats and Adam B. Levine. Today's show featured Bram Cohen, Andreas M. Antonopoulos, Stephanie Murphy, Jonathan Mohan and Adam B. Levine with editing by Jonas.


    Let's Talk Bitcoin! #432 How MakerDAO’s Stablecoin Survived the Crash, Smart Contract Bugs and Full Decentralization Mar 29, 2020
    Show notes

    In the aftermath of the so-called "Black Thursday" crash from several weeks ago, MakerDAO's "DAI" ethereum backed dollar pegged stablecoin came untethered and was, for a time at least, functionally insolvent. In the aftermath, holders of the MKR token which allows holders to participate in governance decisions opted to do a couple of things, including adding the centralized stablecoin USDC to the list of acceptable collateral, which drew both condemnations mostly around centralized risk being added to the system and praise for making the system more robust against sudden ETH collateral price crashes.

    And now most recently, the Maker Foundation which had held some centralized control over the protocol completed their long-planned exit with all authorities now transferred to the holders of MKR tokens, removing both a point of control which had been used as a safety check and a point of risk in that centralized control can be co-opted and used to disrupt a system as we've seen in other examples.

    On today's show we're digging into:

    What is Decentralized Finance (DeFi)?

    How does decentralized finance differ from traditional banking?

    Fractional reserve vs over-collateralized loans

    Liberty Dollars’s missing collateral and USDC’s risky name

    MakerDAO, DAI dollar-pegged stablecoins and how this DeFi stablecoin actually works

    SDAI (Single Collateral DAI) vs. DAI (Multi Collateral DAI)

    Smart contract ‘vaults’

    Lending money to yourself: 150%, 300%, insurance and auctions

    What happened on ‘Black Thursday’ as the price of Ether dropped more than 50%

    What happened when transaction fees went through the roof

    A bug in the collateral auction smart contract

    A surprising crash: as the system became functionally insolvent the price of the dollar pegged stablecoin actually went up.

    Oasis.app vaults are transparent and pretty interesting, take a look!

    Loaning yourself money using your ether (at interest)

    How MakerDAO’s approach differs from SALT Lending

    The other half of the DAI system: saving vault smart contracts

    DAI Saving Rate (DSR) and the new certificate of deposit

    The reward for using MKR tokens to administer a good system

    Can savings vaults be liquidated?

    Smart contract risks, consensus risks, systemic risks and response time risks

    Sponsors: eToro.com and Purse.io

    What specifically went wrong with the auction smart contracts?

    Recapitalizing the system by diluting MKR governance stakeholders

    Even with bugs, market mechanisms to fill the solvency hole seemed to work better than government bailout equivalents.

    Completing the transition from foundation-overseen to full tokenized governance.

    Decentralization transition - A necessary step or a natural one?

    Single collateral vs. Multi-collateral stablecoins

    Why would a decentralized stablecoin want to allow a centralized stablecoin for collateral?

    External political risks vs. internal technological risks

    “Life finds a way” and DeFi’s natural circuit breakers (also Mt.GOX)

    Whats the point of putting USDC in to get DAI out?

    How does DeFi stablecoin insurance work?

    A modular ecosystem

    How DeFi and traditional finance are similar

    DeFi vs. 2nd layer protocols

    Credits

    Hosts: Adam B. Levine, Andreas M. Antonopoulos, Jonathan Mohan & Stephanie Murphy

    Sponsors: eToro.com and Purse.io

    Music: Jared Rubens and GurtyBeats

    Editing: Jonas


    LTB #431 Bailouts, Bitcoin, Disruption, Failures and Hope Mar 22, 2020
    Show notes

    From Boeing to bitcoin in this week's discussion we're talking about our disrupted reality, the politically expedient path forward, why it almost certainly won't work, the alternatives to it, what this means for bitcoin and what you can do to help.

    This episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin is sponsored by eToro.com. If you're a skilled audio editor with deep crypto knowledge consider applying for CoinDesk's Deputy Podcasts Editor role

    This week on Let's Talk Bitcoin we're discussing the coming bailout-everything regime in a topic that's both extremely timely but is also what originally forced many long-term bitcoin enthusiasts to learn about money and become interested in cryptocurrency in the first place.

    As much of the world on an almost uniform and bipartisan basis shuts down to slow the spread of COVID19 and prepares to bail out first financial markets and now basically everything that can't work on a fully remote basis, we're talking about crisis, bailouts, the limits of monetary policy and the real possibility that it's not a straw that breaks the back of our money but rather the whole world suddenly jumping on.

    On today's show we'll discuss:

    • The growing bipartisan and global shutdown then bailout everything movement
    • The alternative to the bailout path we're on
    • The inability of even extraordinary monetary policy to resolve these issues and the markets growing cognitive dissonance
    • The revival of the "system is breaking and when it does we'll need something new that doesn't share the same problems of being vulnerable to politically expedient over-reactions" narrative that, frankly, drove my initial interest in bitcoin in the first place.
    • Some of the #CoronaEfforts we've heard about so far and how you can help
    • And much more in this wide-ranging discussion...

    Today's episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin! featured Andreas M. Antonopoulos, Stephanie Murphy, Jonathan Mohan and Adam B. Levine.

    This episode was sponsored by eToro.com and featured music by Jared Rubens and Adam B. Levine, with editing by Jonas.

    Photo by Tim Foster on Unsplash


    LTB #430 ‘Anything That Can Be Decentralized Will Be Decentralized’ 6 Years Later Mar 15, 2020
    Show notes

    On today's podcast we're joined by early investor and entrepreneur David Johnston to discuss:

    • A new "consensus based" alternative to "reserve based", "game theory based", or trusted oracle based Stablecoins
    • The growing relevance of DeFi even for those who aren't using it
    • Johnston's Law six years later, how far we've come and real reasons for optimism on the decentralized evolution of everything.

    Further listening: The original panel where Johnston's Law was introduced in 2014

    Credits for LTB#430 - Anything that can be decentralized will be decentralized 6 years later

    This episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin! is sponsored by Purse.io and eToro.com.

    This episode featured Stephanie Murphy, Jonathan Mohan, David Johnston and Adam B. Levine

    Today's episode was produced by Adam B. Levine, edited by Jonas with music provided by Jared Rubens and Adam B. Levine

    Would you like to Sponsor a future episode of the Let's Talk Bitcoin! show? Do you have any questions or comments? Email adam@ltbshow.com


    LTB #429 Coronavirus Impacts on Bitcoin (And the IRS's Dumb Singularity) Mar 01, 2020
    Show notes

    Earlier this week the Let's Talk Bitcoin! Show gathered to discuss Coronavirus and its potential impacts or disruptions to the decentralized world of bitcoin.

    On today's podcast we discuss Coronavirus and:

    • The bitcoin mining industry and the slowing rate of hash-rate increases in the run-up to the 2020 halving
    • Safe haven, uncorrelated and risk asset narratives as the price of bitcoin bounces defies expectations
    • The potential for shifts in how society thinks about money in the wake of a highly transmissible global disease
    • Plus a brief primer on virus families (skip to 13 minutes for blockchain only content if you're already up to speed)

    Later, we hear from correspondent George Ettinger about the indications of a "Dumb Currency Singularity" taking place at the IRS right now (also presented in full text below).

    Credits for LTB#429 - Coronavirus Impacts on Bitcoin (And the IRS's Dumb Singularity)
    This episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin! is sponsored by Purse.io and eToro.com.
    This episode featured Stephanie Murphy, Andreas M. Antonopoulos, George Ettinger and Adam B. Levine
    Today's episode was produced by Adam B. Levine, edited by Adam B. Levine with music provided by Jared Rubens and Adam B. Levine
    Would you like to Sponsor a future episode of the Let's Talk Bitcoin! show? Do you have any questions or comments? Email adam@ltbshow.com

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