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    Sinica Podcast

    A weekly discussion of current affairs in China with journalists, writers, academics, policymakers, business people and anyone with something compelling to say about the country that’s reshaping the world. Hosted by Kaiser Kuo.

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    Latest Episodes:
    The Tragedy of Old School Beijing Hip-Hop with Olivia Fu Sep 07, 2024
    Show notes

    This week on Sinica, I chat with Olivia Fu, who this spring completed her year at Schwarzman College and wrote her Capstone project — a research paper that is required of all Schwarzman Scholars — on the rise and fall of the Beijing hip-hop scene. We explore some of the parallels to Beijing's rock scene, and how many of the same factors that stifled rock in Beijing ultimately led to Beijing's relative decline as a hip-hop city.

    3:16 – Olivia’s background and connection to China, and what drew her to the Schwarzman Program and studying hip-hop

    6:13 – Olivia’s Schwarzman mentor, Paul Pickowicz

    7:47 – How Olivia dealt with censorship in her Capstone project

    10:24 – The parallels and differences between the hip-hop and rock scenes in China

    12:27 – The dakou CDs and the origins of the hip-hop scene in China

    17:03 – The influences of Japanese and Korean rap and hip-hop and Black American culture

    18:30 – The importance of studying Beijing hip-hop

    23:05 – The spirit of Beijing and societal commentary in Beijing hip-hop

    27:38 – The phenomenon of Rap of China

    29:50 – The divergence of PG One and GAI, and the regulatory influence of the State Administration on Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television

    35:13 – Sinifying hip-hop

    37:21 – What the burgeoning hip-hop scene in China was like in the early 2000s

    40:10 – Critiques of the Beijing dialect in rap and the Beijing rap style

    45:16 – Iron Mic rap battles and Shanghai, and Chinese hip-hop’s critique of the educational system

    48:34 – Why Beijing rap declined

    59:09 – What’s next for Olivia


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    Does Beijing Really Want Trump? Aug 28, 2024
    Show notes

    Hey folks! I took some time off to drive the kids to college and then flew to California to celebrate my brother John’s birthday. The upshot is there’s no interview this week, so in place of that, here’s my essay from this week. Hope you enjoy it. If all goes as planned, I’m back next week with regular interview for Sinica!

    You can find the text of the essay at sinicapodcast.com.



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    The Swifts of Beijing, with Terry Townshend of Birding Beijing Aug 15, 2024
    Show notes

    I was looking for a good episode to pull from the archive to run this week as I'll be traveling and I asked my good friend Deb Seligsohn for a recommendation. She went immediately to this one, and by God if it's not an oldie-but-goodie. This is from December 2015 and features Jeremy Goldkorn — I miss him dearly! — and Terry Townshend, an absolute institution in China's birding community.

    I'll likely have to run another re-run next week, and I welcome your suggestions!

    All best,

    Kaiser

    Recommendations and Links:

    Birding Beijing

    Action for Swifts

    British Trust for Ornithology

    Jonathan Franzen, Purity: A Novel

    Cement and Pig Consumption Reveal China's Huge Changes

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    Bonus: A Free-Range Father in a Tiger Mom World — Reflections on Chinese and American Education Aug 14, 2024
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    Here's a little bonus ep for you ahead of tomorrow's show, which will be a re-run of a really fun one from about 10 years ago! I'm driving the rest of this week to the Midwest to drop my kids off at their respective universities, and I've been thinking a lot about the education systems in China and the U.S. So here's my essay for this week.

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    China's Response to U.S. Semiconductor Export Controls, with Paul Triolo and Kevin Xu Aug 08, 2024
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    This week on Sinica, Paul Triolo rejoins the show for a deep, deep dive into China's response to American export controls on advanced semiconductors and related technologies. How much hurt has the policy put on Chinese firms — and how far along is China in finding its way toward technological autonomy? Kevin Xu, author of the fantastic "Interconnected" newsletter, joins to talk about some of the big ideas he's written about in recent months and to play co-host as we grill Paul on China's efforts to get out from under American controls.

    9:10 – The downplaying of generative AI in the Third Plenum’s decision document

    18:25 – Why the Middle East is an appealing and important region for major AI players

    26:20 – Why chip wars have evolved into to cloud wars

    29:36 – How China has fared in trying to achieve its goal of indigenous advanced semiconductor manufacture

    31:50 – Semiconductors: What lies within the “small yard” versus what products are unaffected under U.S. export controls

    35:42 – The quality and reliability caveat to China’s goal of self-sufficiency in semiconductor manufacture

    38:35 – The success of the Biden administration’s export controls and whether the controls have really put the hurt on anyone

    46:00 – The Harmony operating system

    47:47 – The importance of packaging

    50:45 – Paul explains what he calls “China Semiconductor Industry Policy 3.0” and its predecessors

    57:03 – China’s EUV lithography challenge

    1:03:14 – DUV lithography and multi-patterning, and the importance of collaboration across the ecosystemin the process of making semiconductors at scale

    1:11:50 – Huawei’s progress so far and remaining major hurdles and bottlenecks

    1:18:42 – Paul and Kevin’s thoughts on whether the American strategic class will regret its approach to export controls and whether there is an off-ramp


    Recommendations:

    Paul: Ed Conway’s Material World: The Six Raw Materials That Shape Modern Civilization

    Kevin: Thurston Clarke’s The Last Campaign: Robert F. Kennedy and 82 Days That Inspired America

    Kaiser: The House of the Dragon(2022- ) TV series

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    Eric Olander on China in the Global South Aug 01, 2024
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    This week on Sinica, I'm joined by Eric Olander, host of the outstanding China in Africa Podcast and the indispensable China-Global South Podcast, and creator of the China-Global South Project. Eric's detailed and very current knowledge of China's relations across the developing world is on display in this whirlwind tour that takes us from the troubled waters of the South China Sea to China's diplomatic efforts in the Middle East, on to Subsaharan Africa and how Washington has struggled to create policies that can match what China offers, and to Latin America. He then zooms out and talks about what it all means in aggregate. Don't miss this show!

    Don't forget to subscribe to the newsletter! Go to sinicapodcast.com to sign up! And if you want to support my work and access premium content, please be sure to become a paying subscriber.

    2:39 The situation with the Philippines and the Second Thomas Shoal, and the U.S. Mutual Defense Treaty — the potential challenges in activating it on the U.S. side and President Marcos’ changing standards for invoking it

    15:50 ASEAN’s difficulty in reaching consensus, and Myanmar as another ASEAN priority

    18:53 China’s role as convener in brokering a “unity deal” for Palestine

    23:02 The Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FOCAC)

    30:20 Why Africa is so hard to fit onto the U.S. foreign policy agenda and the lack of a forward-looking American vision for Africa

    37:56 Geraud Neema’s disappointment with Washington’s talk about battery metals and critical minerals

    42:22 The pushback from Mexico’s finance minister and Mexico’s concern over the growing number of imports from China

    46:48 The trade surplus number and long-term concerns for China’s exports

    49:35 Brazilian President Lula hints at willingness to join the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI)

    51:51 How it all fits together, and how China has leveraged the Global South’s frustration over the U.S.-European-led international order

    Recommendations:

    Eric: Matt Pottinger’s The Boiling Moat: Urgent Steps to Defend Taiwan, and Anne Stevenson-Yang’s Wild Ride: A Short History of the Opening and Closing of the Chinese Economy

    Kaiser: Will Durant’s books from The Story of Civilization, especially The Age of Faith and The Reformation, as well as the audiobook versions read by Stefan Rudnicki

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    A Letter from Beijing Jul 25, 2024
    Show notes

    This week, my narration of a longish essay about my recently-concluded four-week trip to Dalian and, more importantly, Beijing — my first time back in the city I called home for so long since the COVID pandemic. If you prefer to read rather than listen, you can find the essay — free for everyone this week — on the Substack. I hope you enjoy this!

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    Anthony Tao: The Poetry and Soul of Beijing Jul 18, 2024
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    This week on Sinica, I'm in Beijing, where I spoke with my dear friend Anthony Tao, an English-language poet and a builder of community in the city where I lived for over 20 years. Anthony recently published a volume of his poetry called We Met in Beijing, and it captures the relationship that so many have with the city wherever they might come from. The episode features readings of some of his — and my — favorite poems.

    3:28 Why Anthony chose poetry as a medium, and the poetry he has read [appreciated?]

    9:13 A discussion of Anthony’s poem, “I Landed in Beijing,” and the feelings Beijing inspires

    19:56 Anthony’s poem, “Self-censorship”

    27:08 Anthony’s journalism in poetic form and processing the trauma of COVID

    31:38 Living as an “expat” and writing from an expat’s perspective: Anthony’s poem “Dancing like a Laowai

    40:46 Anthony’s bar — The Golden Weasel — and meeting interesting people in Beijing

    44:49 The themes of place and nostalgia, Anthony’s poem, “Postcard,” and the last stanza of his title poem, “We Met in Beijing”

    Recommendations:

    Anthony: The poetry of Stephen Dunn; the TV series Lucky Hank(2023) based on Straight Man by Richard Russo; Spittoon,an English-languageliterary collective in China; and his band, Poetry x Music

    Kaiser: The many international restaurants of Xiaoyun Lu in Beijing

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    Sinica Unscripted: Wang Zichen of CCG with a Third Plenum Preview and more Jul 12, 2024
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    I'm trying something different: totally unscripted and very, very lightly edited recordings grabbed on the go where I happen to be. For the inaugural episode, I've got Wang Zichen, the author of the amazing Pekingnology newsletter on Substack, as well as the man behind the Center for China and Globalization's newsletter "The East is Read." Hear Zichen's origin story, his approach to publishing Pekingnology, the skinny on his new Got China show with Liu Yang and Jiang Jiang, as well as his take on what we can expect from the Third Plenum.

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    Improbable Diplomats: Historian Pete Millwood on how Scientific and Cultural Exchange Remade U.S.-China Relations Jul 11, 2024
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    This week on Sinica, I chat with University of Melbourne transnational historian Pete Millwood about his outstanding book Improbable Diplomats: How Ping-Pong Players, Musicians, and Scientists Remade U.S.-China Relations. The road to normalization is told too often with a focus only on the Nixon-Kissinger opening and official diplomatic efforts culminating in the final recognition of the PRC in January 1979, but there's much more to the story than that, and Millwood tells it deftly, drawing on extensive archival research as well as interviews with many of those directly involved.

    3:33 — Transnational history

    4:44 — The early, “pioneering” trips to China in the 1950s and ‘60s and China’s shift in invitations

    11:14 — The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations (NCUSCR) in the 1960s

    16:27 — The role of the Committee of Concerned Asia Scholars (CCAS)

    20:43 — Why Nixon’s opening to China was seen as so surprising, and the impact of the UN’s shift in recognition from the ROC to the PRC on American thinking

    24:57 — The Glenn Cowan and Zhuang Zedong ping-pong diplomacy story

    31:21 — Edgar Snow’s meeting with Mao

    33:43 — The return leg of ping-pong diplomacy and the National Committee’s “baptism by fire”

    36:33 — The significance of the Philadelphia Orchestra’s tour of China with Eugene Ormandy

    42:23 — Jiang Qing and the controversy around the cancelled performing arts tour in the U.S. in 1975

    46:03 — Kissinger’s thinking in the early 1970s after the first communiqué

    48:48 — The U.S.-China People’s Friendship Association

    50:42 — How scientific cooperation smoothed the process toward normalization under the Carter administration, the state of play in ’77, and how Frank Press CSCPRC argued for greater reciprocity

    1:02:25 — The politics in China in regards to the grander bargain and the decentralization of exchanges

    1:05:43 — The disbandment of the CSCPRC and the reinvention of the NCUSCR

    1:08:58 — Pete’s suggestion for continuing academic and cultural exchange

    1:12:51 — How Pete got interested in such an American and China-centric topic

    1:18:02 — Pete’s current projects

    Recommendations:

    Pete: Island X: Taiwanese Student Migrants, Campus Spies, and Cold War Activism by Wendy Cheng; Indelible City: Dispossession and Defiance in Hong Kongby Louisa Lim (also available as an audiobook read by the author)

    Kaiser: We Met in Beijing, a book of poems by Anthony Tao


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