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    Shifting Schools: Conversations for K12 Educators

    Shifting Schools is a thought-provoking podcast that explores the latest trends, strategies, and tools in K-12 education. Hosted by educators Jeff Utecht and Tricia Friedman, the podcast provides a platform for teachers, administrators, and education thought leaders to share their experiences and insights on how to improve teaching and learning. From innovative approaches in classroom management to leveraging technology for personalized learning, Shifting Schools tackles the most pressing issues facing K12 educators today. Whether you are a seasoned teacher or a new educator, this podcast will inspire you to think outside the box and shift your educational approach. Tune in to Shifting Schools to gain new perspectives, share ideas, and join a community of passionate educators who are committed to making a positive impact in the lives of their students.

    Follow us at @shiftingschools on Twitter and @shiftingschoolspod on Instagram and Tiktok

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    Latest Episodes:
    Can we communicate with our pets? Leo Trottier on the Future of Interspecies Communication Nov 17, 2025
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    What if our pets are communicating complex ideas—and technology is finally catching up? In this episode of the Shifting Schools Podcast, cognitive scientist and FluentPet founder Leo Trottier joins us to explore how breakthroughs in animal cognition, inter-species communication, and speech-button interfaces are reshaping the way humans understand pets.

    Trottier unpacks the science behind communication-enhancing tools for animals, drawing from research in cognitive psychology, comparative cognition, and linguistics to explain how dogs and cats may be expressing needs, feelings, and even intentions. He also discusses how this emerging field could deepen human–animal bonds, strengthen empathy, and influence the future of animal welfare and education.

    Listeners will learn:

    • How cognitive science informs FluentPet's design

    • What behavioral research reveals about dogs' communicative abilities

    • Why emotional connection with animals supports childhood empathy development

    • The ethical and rights-based implications of interspecies dialogue

    • How next-generation technology could expand communication across species

    Perfect for educators, future-focused parents, animal lovers, and anyone curious about the intersection of science, empathy, and emerging technology.

    Thank you to our show sponsor for making episodes like these possible.

    Learn more about Poll Everywhere today


    Crossing the Line of Falling Behind: Where Is Your School on the AI Curve? Nov 10, 2025
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    Summary

    In this episode, Jeff Utecht discusses the critical importance of understanding where schools stand on the AI adoption curve. He emphasizes the need for leadership to actively engage with AI and for educators to integrate AI into their teaching practices. The conversation highlights the transformative potential of AI in education, urging schools to move from mere conversation to meaningful integration.

    Learn more about our amazing show sponsor: Poll Everywhere

    Takeaways

    • AI adoption is crucial for schools today.
    • Leadership must model AI usage and curiosity.
    • Schools are on a curve of AI adoption.
    • Teachers should empower students to engage with AI.
    • AI can enhance learning, not replace teachers.
    • Starting small with AI can lead to significant progress.
    • The goal is to move from conversation to integration.
    • AI tools should be used daily by educators.
    • Understanding AI is essential for future readiness.
    • Schools must not fall behind in AI integration.

    Chapters

    00:00 The Journey of AI in Education 02:37 Understanding the AI Adoption Curve 06:01 Empowering Schools to Embrace AI


    How Generative AI Can Deepen Critical Thinking in K12, Not Replace It Nov 03, 2025
    Show notes

    Discover how educators are using generative AI not to automate, but to elevate critical thinking and collaboration in K-12 schools. In this episode of Shifting Schools, host Tricia Friedman shows how "disagreement by design" and intentional prompt-engineering transform student and leadership learning.

    What you'll learn:

    • What disagreement by design looks like in real classrooms and leadership teams

    • How prompt engineering unlocks student curiosity and systems-thinking mindset in K-12

    • Why writing bespoke GPT bots might just be the 'new essay' of our times

    Who this episode is for: Any educator, school leader or district-innovator exploring how to responsibly integrate companion AI, AI avatars and prompt-driven dialogue into a learning ecosystem.

    🧭 Key Topics
    • What "disagreement by design" looks like in real classrooms

    • How prompt engineering can unlock student curiosity

    • Why generative AI needs to serve learning, not automation

    • Examples of schools using AI for civic and digital literacy

    • Mindsets for leading change with courage and care

    Want to try out the chatbots?

    'All about Avatars' https://chatgpt.com/g/g-69000b1682a8819188039180edcc55ce-all-about-avatars

    On the Rise of Livestreaming: https://chatgpt.com/g/g-68ffd3cfb750819197dfa42090d38076-making-sense-of-fanum-and-the-rise-of-streaming

    Learn more about our amazing show sponsor: Poll Everywhere

    Keep learning with Shifting Schools

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Generative AI and Its Misunderstandings 01:36 The Importance of Designed Disagreement in AI 03:57 Prompt Engineering: Thinking Like a Designer 09:26 Creating Custom Chatbots for Specific Needs 13:52 AI Literacy and Community Building Through Technology


    Parenting, Picture Books, and the Practice of Wonder: Leadership Lessons in Creativity Oct 27, 2025
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    A conversation that reminds us how curiosity, art, and iteration can reshape are necessary and may even be assets for our school leadership and the ways we nurture creative courage in young learners....

    In this episode, Tricia Friedman sits down with author-illustrator Christy Mandin to explore what school leaders can learn from the creative process behind children's literature. Together they unpack how curiosity fuels empathy, how messy iteration sparks innovation, and how embracing the dark and uncertain moments of creativity can make us more compassionate educators.

    What You'll Learn
    • Why boredom and unstructured time are essential ingredients for student creativity.

    • How to help students (and ourselves) become friends with the dark—embracing uncertainty as a path to growth.

    • Why modeling curiosity, reflection, and open-mindedness is one of the most powerful leadership moves.

    Christy Mandin is the author and illustrator of multiple picture books. She's grown many interesting plants in her garden over the years but, so far, none with teeth or tentacles. She currently lives in Georgia with her husband and four children. Visit Christy online at christymandin.com or Instagram @christymandin

    Learn more about our amazing show sponsor: Poll Everywhere

    Keep learning with Shifting Schools.


    Beyond Cheating: What AI Is Really Teaching Us About Students and Schools Oct 20, 2025
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    The conversation about AI in education often starts—and stops—with cheating. But what if that's the least interesting part of the story? In this episode, Tricia Friedman speaks with the team behind the new show: The Homework Machine, MIT's Justin Reich and journalist Jesse Dukes. They unpack how generative AI is reshaping what we mean by integrity, creativity, and student voice. Together they explore how teachers can balance innovation with empathy, and what schools might learn from students already living in the AI age.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to The Homework Machine 02:47 The Importance of Listening to Students 05:45 AI and Academic Integrity: A Deeper Look 08:23 The Role of Relationships in Education 10:59 Challenges in Teacher-Student Relationships 13:46 Navigating AI in Education 16:38 The Need for Empathy in Educational Policy 19:15 The Impact of the Pandemic on Education 22:17 Engaging Skeptics in AI Discussions 24:41 Finding Balance in Educational Priorities 27:45 Creating Safe Spaces for Student Voices 30:27 Looking Ahead: Future of The Homework Machine

    The Homework Machine is a mini series from TeachLab, a podcast that investigates the art and craft of teaching. Hosted by Justin Reich, MIT Professor and director of the MIT Teaching Systems Lab.

    https://www.teachlabpodcast.com/

    Jesse Dukes is a journalist and comedian who has done (nearly) all the jobs in podcasting and audio including producer, editor, executive producer, reporter, mix engineer, and teacher. Along with other projects, He's currently working with the Teaching System's Lab at MIT on The Homework Machine, a research and podcasting project about the arrival of generative AI in schools. He has taught audio storytelling at the Center for Documentary Studies at Duke and Denison University.

    Justin Reich is an associate professor of digital media in the Comparative Media Studies/Writing department at MIT and the director of the Teaching Systems Lab. He is the author of Failure to Disrupt: Why Technology Alone Can't Transform Education, and the host of the TeachLab Podcast. He earned his doctorate from the Harvard Graduate School of Education and was the Richard L. Menschel HarvardX Research Fellow. He is a past Fellow at the Berkman-Klein Center for Internet and Society. His writings have been published in Science, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Washington Post, The Atlantic, and other scholarly journals and public venues. He started his career as a high school history teacher, and coach of wrestling and outdoor adventure activities.

    We are grateful to our sponsors:

    Poll Everywhere for supporting us this season, learn more:

    https://www.polleverywhere.com/plans/education?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=shiftingschools&utm_campaign=shiftingschools


    Why vibe coding is such a vibe Oct 13, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode Tricia Friedman talks listeners through an example of how she vibe coding an app from start to finish.

    Her vibe coding process of building an app blends AI literacy, digital humanities, and leadership design thinking.

    What does this tell us about the future of using generative AI for projects in K12?

    This episode is sponsored by our amazing friends at Poll Everywhere.

    Join over 1 million educators using Poll Everywhere. Try it risk free for 30 days—we'll refund you if it's not a good fit.

    Listeners will gain insight into:

    • how AI-assisted app design reshapes collaboration and imagination in schools

    • what happens when storytelling meets software in project-based learning

    • why ethical AI, digital well-being, and student agency must anchor innovation

    Ultimately, this episode challenges educators to think differently about what it means to "build." Tricia frames vibe coding as an invitation to design with empathy — where app creation, futures literacy, and educator creativity merge to model a more human-centered approach to technology in learning.

    If you're curious about AI in education, digital storytelling, women in edtech, or the future of creative leadership, this episode offers a front-row seat to the evolving intersection of art, code, and compassion.


    The Future of Higher Education in America Oct 06, 2025
    Show notes

    Today, a college diploma is no guarantee that graduates have the competencies that businesses need, including using emerging technologies, communicating, working in teams, and other necessary skills. So, it's fair to ask, "Do students really need a college degree"?

    Brandeis University President, and nationally respected higher education leader and researcher, Arthur Levine has been at the forefront of the changing role of higher education. Co-author of THE GREAT UPHEAVAL, HIGHER EDUCATIONS PAST PRESENT AND UNCERTAIN FUTURE, Levine argues that in the next 20 years, consumers of higher education will determine what higher education will be, and that every institution will have to change.

    Today, the United States is undergoing change of even greater magnitude and speed than it did during the Industrial Revolution as it shifts from a national, analog, industrial economy to a global, digital, knowledge economy. At the same time, public confidence in higher education has declined. Threatened by a demographic cliff in most states where fewer students will be graduating from high school over the next 20 years, the increased competition for students means that a larger number of higher education institutions will be closing or merging with other institutions. It is expected that as many as 20 to 25 percent of colleges, particularly liberal arts colleges and comprehensive regional colleges, will close in the coming years.

    Learn more about The Great Upheaval:

    The book reveals that five new realities, none of higher education's own making, will characterize the coming transformation:

    1. Institutional control of higher education will decrease, and the power of higher education consumers will increase. In a range of knowledge industries, the advent of the global, digital, knowledge economy multiplied the number of content providers and disseminators and gave consumers choice over what, where, when, and how of the content they consumed. The same will be true of higher education. The digital revolution will put more power in the hands of the learner who will have greater choice about all aspects of their own education.
    2. With near universal access to digital devices and the Internet, students will seek from higher education the same things they are getting from the music, movie and newspaper industries. Given the choice, consumers of the three industries chose round-the-clock over fixed-time access, consumer- rather than producer-determined content, personalized over uniform content, and low prices over high. In the emerging higher education environment, students are placing a premium on convenience—anytime, anyplace accessibility; personalized education that fits their circumstances and unbundling, only purchasing what they need or want to buy at affordable prices. For instance, during the pandemic, while college enrollments were declining, enrollment in institutions with these attributes, such as Coursera, an online learning platform, saw the number of students they serve jump. In the United States and abroad, Coursera enrollments jumped from 53 to 78 million. That 25 million student increase is more than the entire enrollment in U.S. higher education.
    3. New content producers and distributors will enter the higher education marketplace, driving up institutional competition and consumer choice and driving down prices. We are already seeing a proliferation of new postsecondary institutions, organizations and programs that have abandoned key elements of mainstream higher education. These emphasize digital technologies, reject time and place-based education, create low-cost degrees, adopt competency or outcome-based education, and award nontraditional credentials. Increasingly, libraries, museums, media companies and software makers have entered the marketplace, offering content, instruction and certification. Google offers 80 certificate programs and Microsoft has 77. The American Museum of Natural History has its own graduate school, which offers a Ph.D. in comparative biology, a Master of Arts degree in teaching, and short-term online courses that teachers can use for graduate study or professional development credit. The new providers are not only more accessible and convenient, offering a combination of competency- and course-based programs, they are also cheaper and more agile than traditional colleges and universities which will lead to more contraction and closings?
    4. The industrial era model of higher education focusing on time, process and teaching will be eclipsed by a knowledge economy successor rooted in outcomes and learning. In the future, higher education will focus on the outcomes we want students to achieve, what we want them to learn, not how long we want them to be taught. This is because students don't learn at the same rate and because the explosion of new content being produced by employers, museums, software companies, banks, retailers and other organizations inside and outside higher education will be so heterogeneous that what students accomplish cannot be translated into uniform time or process measures. The one common denominator they all share is that they produce outcomes, whatever students learn as consequence of the experience.
    5. The dominance of degrees and "Just-in-case" education will diminish; non-degree certifications and "Just-in-time" education will increase in status and value. American higher education has historically focused on degree granting programs intended to prepare their students for careers and life beyond college. This has been called "just-in-case education" because its focus is teaching students the skills and knowledge that institutions believe will be necessary for the future. In contrast, "just-in-time education" is present-oriented and more immediate, teaching students the skills and knowledge they need right now. "Just-in-time education" comes in all shapes and sizes, largely diverging from traditional academic time standards, uniform course lengths and common credit measures. The increasing need for upskilling and reskilling caused by automation, the knowledge explosion and Covid promises to tilt the balance toward more "just-in-time education, which is closely aligned with the labor market and provides certificates, micro-credentials, and badges, not degrees.

    This episode is made possible by our partner Poll Everywhere

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    Collaboration: The Heart of Innovation Sep 29, 2025
    Show notes

    In this conversation, Tricia Friedman speaks with authors Dylan Thuras and Jennifer Swanson about their ambitious book that explores the evolution of invention and technology. They discuss the importance of collaboration in science, the interdisciplinary nature of learning, and how curiosity drives innovation. The conversation also highlights the role of play in the invention process and how everyday objects can inspire new perspectives.

    Dylan Thuras is the cofounder and creative director of Atlas Obscura. He lives in Rosendale, NY

    Jennifer Swanson is an award-winning children's author of more than forty-five nonfiction and fiction books, including National Geographic Kids Brain Games and Outdoor School: Rocks, Fossils, and Shells. She is also the creator and co-host of the award-winning podcast Solve It for Kids. Visit her online at jenniferswansonbooks.com and @jenswanbooks.

    Chapters

    00:00 The Ambitious Project Begins 02:52 Exploring the Evolution of Invention 05:56 The Power of Collaboration in Science 08:38 Interdisciplinary Learning and Curiosity 11:30 The Role of Play in Invention 14:23 A New Perspective on Everyday Objects


    I know what you did last summer: Jeff and Tricia edition Sep 22, 2025
    Show notes

    On this episode Jeff and Tricia catch up on all the learning they did last summer.

    Hear them talk about gardening...and of course generative AI

    Learn more about how to catch them this year:

    https://www.shiftingschools.com/


    Where is the current taking K12? Sep 15, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode of Shifting Schools, Jeff Utecht and Tricia Friedman discuss their upcoming training sessions focused on integrating AI into education. They emphasize the importance of understanding AI's impact on the job market, the necessity of prompt engineering as a new skill for educators, and the need for AI literacy among students. The conversation also touches on the evolving nature of AI tools and the importance of addressing mental health concerns related to technology use among students.

    You can learn more about the five part series:

    https://web.cvent.com/event/19d647db-557e-4502-8a0c-17bd3325fe0b/summary

    Takeaways

    AI is reshaping the educational landscape and job market. Understanding AI's impact is crucial for educators and students. Prompt engineering is a vital skill for effective AI use. Generative AI can enhance learning and career exploration. Educators must engage with students about AI and its implications. AI literacy is essential for preparing students for future careers. The evolution of AI tools requires ongoing adaptation in teaching. Interdisciplinary approaches can enrich AI education. Mental health concerns related to technology must be addressed. Local context is important in AI training for educators.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to AI in Education 02:51 The Driftwood: Navigating AI's Impact 08:38 Understanding Job Market Changes 14:19 Prompt Engineering: The New Skill 20:05 AI Literacy and Its Importance 25:57 Engaging with Students on AI and Mental Health


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