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    Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron Herold

    Welcome to the “Second in Command” Podcast hosted by Cameron Herold, brought to you by the COO Alliance, where top-level COOs share their insights, tactics, and strategies that made them the Chief Behind the Chief.

    Cameron Herold founded the COO Alliance with one simple goal in mind: to provide COOs with the same professional development and growth opportunities CEOs have enjoyed for many years. COO Alliance is the world’s leading network for the Second in Command.

    Cameron Herold is a top business consultant, best-selling author, and speaker. He’s the mastermind behind hundreds of companies’ exponential growth and he’s touched thousands of businesses indirectly through his work.

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    Ep. 551 - FAN FAVORITE | Orangetheory Fitness Former COO Griff Long | The Truth About Building Outstanding Leadership Teams Feb 05, 2026
    Show notes

    Are you tired of chaotic operations, burned-out teams, and the relentless pressure to execute big visions without breaking yourself in the process? In this can’t-miss fan favorite episode, Cameron Herold goes deep with Griff Long, former COO of Orangetheory Fitness, a leader who’s transformed personal growth and business results at some of America’s top brands.

    If you’re a second-in-command, exhausted by firefighting and silo wars, this conversation will shake up your playbook. Griff shares battle-tested leadership secrets, why people (not processes) matter most, and how data-driven innovation is gripping the fitness world.

    Skip another mediocre “growth” podcast. Listen now to avoid the #1 pain point for COOs: stagnant teams, missed opportunities, and burnout. This is your backstage pass to proven strategies and exclusive insights you won’t get anywhere else.


    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – Why this episode is a fan-favorite (and why you need it now)

    [00:28] – Griff’s devastating rookie mistake and how it reshaped his approach

    [01:24] – The “double threat” that got Griff hired at Orangetheory

    [03:09] – The surprising science and secrets behind Orangetheory’s addictively sticky workouts

    [09:33] – Griff’s golden thread technique for obliterating silos and boosting buy-in

    [13:00] – Why running corporate-owned studios is Orangetheory’s secret weapon

    [16:02] – How Griff rebuilt the org chart and what every COO should copy

    [19:20] – Laser focus vs. death by a thousand cuts: How to avoid competitive distraction

    [25:19] – Griff’s top-three leadership lessons (and the #1 thing he’d tell his 22-year-old self)

    [34:08] – The red/yellow/green “traffic light” playbook for direct reports and leadership development



    About the Guest

    Griff Long is the former COO of Orangetheory Fitness, blending 25+ years of hands-on leadership with a passion for measurable growth and elite team culture. Known for scaling fitness giants like PureBar and SoulCycle, Griff has rebuilt teams, crushed operational bottlenecks, and championed transformations using data and heart. He’s a US Triathlon Coach, a Six Sigma Green Belt, and a master at developing people before processes—essential context for any COO facing existential growth pains.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website | Facebook | Instagram



    Mentioned Resources

    1. Six Sigma (Green Belt, Failure Mode Effect Analysis)
    2. Pure Barre
    3. SoulCycle
    4. Equinox
    5. Hertz
    6. Steve Case (Flex Car)
    7. Bridgewater State University
    8. InBody Scales (BMI tracking)
    9. Tony Robbins: State, Story, Strategy
    10. 1-800-GOT-JUNK



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)

    Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi


    Ep. 550 - Zingerman’s Bakehouse Managing Partner Amy Emberling - Love, Vision, and the Art of Creating Irresistible Company Culture Feb 03, 2026
    Show notes

    Ever wonder why some companies feel magnetic while others are just…a job? If you believe company culture is fluff, this conversation will put you on your heels.

    Cameron Herold sits down with Amy Emberling, Managing Partner of the legendary Zingerman’s Bakehouse—a $16M+ artisan bakery with a cult following and a blueprint for employee loyalty big brands envy. Together, they pull back the curtain on Zingerman’s famed “Community of Businesses,” why profit isn’t a dirty word, and how even a manufacturing team can become fiercely passionate.

    Don't settle for endless turnover, disengaged people, or another bland org chart. Discover the real-world actions and surprising rituals that transform frontline staff into owners (and skeptics into super-fans).

    Listen now because one insight could radically shift your retention, results, and reputation. This episode delivers the practical and emotional gut-punch you won't find anywhere else in operations podcasts.


    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – Why showing vision to new hires exposes if they really want to learn (or not)

    [03:01] – How an Ann Arbor Deli became a multi-business giant—without franchising

    [07:07] – The origin myth: Saying "no" to chains and revolutionizing local growth

    [09:33] – Why Zingerman’s refuses to franchise (and why profit wasn’t the goal)

    [14:43] – The surprising role of vision statements and posters in a baking plant

    [16:10] – Handshakes over contracts—trust, ownership, and radical accountability

    [19:27] – Secret sauce: How weekly "appreciations" meetings melt even the toughest shells

    [25:43] – Culture hacks that turn hourly hires into a vibrant, all-in team



    Mentioned Resources

    1. Zingerman’s Community of Businesses
    2. Ari Weinzweig (Zingerman’s Co-Founder)
    3. Paul Saginaw (Zingerman’s Co-Founder)
    4. Zingerman’s Bakehouse (Amy's business)
    5. Zing Train
    6. Zingerman’s Bakehouse Book, Celebrate Every Day Book
    7. 1-800-GOT-JUNK (culture reference)
    8. Great Little Box Company



    About the Guest

    Amy Emberling is Managing Partner of Zingerman’s Bakehouse, Ann Arbor’s nationally acclaimed artisan bakery. Leading a team of 150, she helped scale Zingerman’s into a powerhouse community business known for its uncompromising quality, positive culture, and iconic brand. Amy has co-authored two influential books on baking and business and is recognized for her thought leadership in operations, training, and organizational vision.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi




    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.


    Ep. 549 - Cabochon Group COO Josh Post - How To Break Through Burnout With Essential COO Growth Tips Jan 29, 2026
    Show notes

    Are you tired of feeling trapped in the chaos of scaling, with too many projects and not enough clarity on what actually drives growth?

    In this episode, host Cameron Herold sits down with Josh Post, COO of Cabochon Group and longtime COO Alliance member, for an emotionally raw, practical conversation about breaking out of operational overwhelm.

    Josh reveals how he went from reluctant family business leader to proven integrator, leading turnarounds, managing conflict, and creating systems real teams can actually use. From delegating all the right things to mastering financial fluency, you’ll get the strategies and truth bombs most COOs wish they had known at the start.

    If you’re hungry to escape burnout and unlock your next level as a second-in-command, listen now to avoid the expensive mistakes nearly everyone makes while scaling. This episode delivers unfiltered wisdom you won’t find anywhere else, and the urgency to take action before chaos catches up with you.


    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – Why most owners don’t know how their business really makes money (and what to do about it)

    [03:25] – The journey from accidental entrepreneur to turning around failing operations

    [06:00] – Exclusive lessons learned surviving and thriving inside – a family business

    [10:19] – How Josh navigated a tense partner buyout and instantly simplified everything

    [13:46] – Choosing the right leadership roles: birth order, strengths, and painful missteps

    [16:09] – The only books and frameworks that actually moved the needle (and why “just-in-time learning” beats old-school reading habits)

    [20:22] – From swinging hammers to overseeing finance – demystifying numbers when you’re not a CPA

    [26:42] – Weekly pulse meetings, candid conflict, and the real CEO-COO dance

    [29:04] – How fractional COO work revealed the true bottlenecks in small business growth

    [33:13] – The most costly mistake COOs make (and how Josh trains owners to finally be “all in”)



    About the Guest

    Josh Post is an industry-recognized Business Turnaround Expert andFractional Chief Operating Officer who specializes in business recovery, optimization, and rapid growth. Between his position as a COO with The Cabochon Group of Companies and his work as an Independent Expert, he manages a diverse portfolio of over $57 Million spanning several industries.

    From streamlining operations and accounting to marketing and even acquisition, The Cabochon Group of Companies is the ultimate business support hub where businesses can access a unified strategy from a single source of seasoned professionals that provide a comprehensive, integrated experience.

    As a Fractional COO and Business Advisor Josh leverages his expertise to provide businesses with targeted, one-on-one guidance on the critical challenges threatening operations. Through resources like his signature business assessment, the Business MRI, he’s able to hone in on the root issues, tailoring strategies that work.

    He credits the COO Alliance for helping him to overcome imposter syndrome, teaching him how to harness his strengths as a Galvanizer and Enabler to drive execution and momentum at scale.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website | Company



    Mentioned Resources

    1. Canadian Association of Family Enterprise (CAFE)
    2. John Maxwell (Servant Leadership)
    3. Tribal Leadership by Dave Logan
    4. EOS/Traction
    5. Ryan Deiss, Roland Frasier
    6. Scalable
    7. Simple Numbers by Greg Crabtree
    8. Bob Gavreau CPA
    9. QuickBooks
    10. Good to Great by Jim Collins



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi




    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand


    Ep. 548 - FAN FAVORITE | Poshmark COO John McDonald - Why Weirdness and Love Drive Explosive Success Jan 27, 2026
    Show notes

    What if the real key to scaling your business isn’t a revolutionary product, but your ability to build a culture where “weirdness” is an asset and radical respect transforms politics into partnership?

    In this electric episode, Cameron Herold sits down with John McDonald, Chief Operating Officer at Poshmark, to unpack how one of the world’s most beloved marketplaces keeps growing in spite of Goliath competitors and shifting markets.

    Together, they reveal why most leaders get core values wrong, how Poshmark keeps small sellers winning (not just the giants), and what it truly takes to expand internationally without derailing your DNA. John’s stories are real, the lessons are battle-tested, and you won’t find a paint-by-numbers playbook here—only hard-won insights and rare candor from inside the trenches.

    Don’t wait. Listen now to avoid building a company that stalls at “good enough,” or tears itself apart scaling fast. This episode unveils systems, strategies, and human truths you won’t hear anywhere else.

    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – Why this “fan favorite” episode is back and the lesson it delivers for every second-in-command

    [02:20] – What Harvard Business School actually teaches about decision-making in chaos

    [05:28] – Unmasking Poshmark’s origin: Why the human touch, not tech, is their unfair advantage

    [09:00] – The $1,000 sneaker flip… and how Poshmark makes money (no nickel-and-diming)

    [13:24] – What really changes when you grow from 35 to 400+ people (and where companies go wrong)

    [19:41] – How they killed company politics and the “respect” system that keeps silos from forming

    [23:04] – Are your “core values” just words? The surprising reason Poshmark’s work (and most don’t)

    [28:37] – How Poshmark protects small sellers—and why giving back unlocks explosive growth

    [33:57] – The dangerous moment for org charts: when matrix thinking becomes non-negotiable

    [40:55] – Why learning to listen is the hardest (and most critical) leadership skill for COOs



    About the Guest

    John McDonald is the Chief Operating Officer of Poshmark, a leading social commerce platform revolutionizing how the next generation shops and sells. With a deep background in marketplace management (including eight years at eBay), John’s powered Poshmark’s exponential growth and built culture-first teams that thrive. He’s a Harvard MBA, an operations architect, and a fierce advocate for scaling with love and discipline.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website



    Mentioned Resources

    1. eBay
    2. Ning
    3. Procter & Gamble
    4. Harvard Business School
    5. University of California, Berkeley
    6. 1-800-GOT-JUNK
    7. Amazon
    8. Lululemon



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi



    Note: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.



    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.



    Ep. 547 - JID Investments COO and founder John Rubino - Daring Business Essentials That Empower Incredible Wealth Building Jan 22, 2026
    Show notes

    What if the most valuable currency in your career isn’t money, but authentic relationships nobody can take away?

    In this urgent episode, guest host Sivana Brewer digs deep with John Rubino, COO and founder of JID Investments and a US naval aviator turned business leader. Together, they unravel how military discipline, open-book honesty, and relentless connection-building are the forgotten keys to thriving in today’s high-stakes market.

    Discover the proven systems, mindset shifts, and emotional skills John uses to lead through market chaos, burnout, and uncertainty. If you’re tired of surface-level business advice and want the real trade secrets to scaling impact and resilience, you need this now.

    Listen or risk missing out on the exclusive moves that successful second-in-commands use to win, when everyone else is underwater.

    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – Transitioning from Navy pilot to COO: war stories behind real discipline

    [02:05] – How John’s military roots shaped his leadership style and investor trust

    [04:40] – The wild pivot: launching a business before leaving active duty

    [07:07] – Top Gun moments, family legacies, and the dream of commanding multi-million dollar assets

    [10:53] – Secret systems for managing 18+ deals and 200+ investors without chaos

    [14:02] – Navigating COVID uncertainty—how top COOs adapt and overcome

    [17:02] – The hidden ROI of real relationships and why most companies are doing it wrong

    [29:44] – Masterminds and tribe thinking: the best advice John gives his own kids

    [34:02] – John’s high-impact daily process for balancing work, team, and personal life

    About the Guest

    John Rubino is the COO, founder, and co-managing partner of JID Investments, where he’s raised over $45M and delivered returns across dozens of real estate projects for 200+ investors. With more than 20 years as a U.S. naval aviator followed by a decade in private equity, John is renowned for his disciplined, relationship-first approach to investing and leadership. He also coaches real estate and financial professionals in strategic wealth-building at KW United Wealth.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website


    Mentioned Resources


    1. KW United Wealth
    2. Keller Williams
    3. Tribe of Millionaires (book)
    4. GoBundance (mastermind)
    5. Welcome to the Cause (Marc & Kristen King)
    6. Dale Carnegie – How to Win Friends and Influence People
    7. Napoleon Hill – Think and Grow Rich
    8. Gary Keller & Jay Papasan – The One Thing
    9. Juniper Square (investment portal)
    10. Calendly
    11. Alex & Layla Hormozi
    12. EOS



    About the Co-Host

    Sivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.

    🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedIn



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi




    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.


    Ep. 546 - VRA Realty COO Erica Wright - Best Lessons In Systems That Empower, Not Overwhelm Jan 20, 2026
    Show notes

    Are you secretly worried your growth will wreck the “family” vibe in your business or that tighter systems will make top talent leave?

    In this episode, Sivana Brewer interviews Erica Wright, COO of VRA Realty, whose systems-first playbook catapulted the brokerage from 85 to 115 agents, spanning five states.

    They dig into the raw truth of building infrastructure for explosive scale (without losing loyalty), balancing tough accountability with real compassion, and leading teams remotely while launching new ventures abroad. Discover how Erica harnessed her psychology and sales background to build trust, manage visionaries, and create a culture where hard conversations actually drive growth.

    Don’t miss this episode if you want to avoid costly attrition, burnout, and lost culture. Listen now for exclusive, actionable insights. These proven moves aren’t taught anywhere else!



    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – Erica’s bold entry: transforming chaos into compliance with her first CRM rollout

    [05:51] – How a psychologist became an operations powerhouse (and opened 8 offices in 6 months)

    [09:45] – Balancing ambition and deep family ties after personal loss—the surprising lessons for remote executives

    [13:46] – Color-coded calendars and time-blocking rituals: how Erica runs five business lines from Mexico

    [16:01] – Her step-by-step playbook for deciding what to delegate, outsource, or tackle solo

    [19:11] – The “idea overwhelm” dilemma—how to hold visionaries accountable to the real mission

    [21:37] – Inside the first 90 days: building trust, rolling out new systems, and avoiding agent revolt

    [25:27] – The truth about “family cultures”: love, accountability, and how to fire without guilt

    [28:07] – Why being COO feels lonely (and what to do about it, ven if you’re building a team abroad)

    [31:31] – Emotional management, therapy sessions, and creating radical honesty in a high-turnover industry

    [39:28] – Erica’s regrets—and #1 advice for any new COO about setting boundaries with their CEO

    [41:05] – Her next big move: remote work, funds management, and two brand-new business launches



    About the Guest


    Erica Wright is the Chief Operating Officer of VRA Realty, a fast-growing boutique real estate brokerage now spanning five states and over 115 agents. Known for her powerhouse systems mindset and global operations expertise, Erica engineered VRA’s scale through smart hiring, process revamps, and authentic relationship-building. She brings a rare blend of psychology, direct sales, and hands-on leadership from international markets, transforming loosely organized teams into high-accountability, high-loyalty cultures. Erica is also the founder of Steven’s Wings, a nonprofit for underserved youth, and is launching “This Might Be a Bad Idea”—a podcast about life and leadership abroad.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube



    Mentioned Resources


    1. Steven’s Wings (nonprofit)
    2. EOS / L10 (Entrepreneurial Operating System)
    3. Eventbrite
    4. Closers.io (referenced company)



    About the Co-Host

    Sivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.

    🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedIn



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi




    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.


    Ep. 545 - A1 Roofing Co-Owner and Chief Culture Officer Vincent Malizia - How To Build a Company You’ll Never Want to Leave Jan 15, 2026
    Show notes

    What if building world-class company culture could slash turnover, ignite team loyalty, and make you love coming to work, even after 14 years in the trenches?

    In this electrifying episode, guest host Sivana Brewer dives deep with Vincent Malizia, Co-Owner and Chief Culture Officer at A1 Roofing, to reveal how a "people first" mindset transformed his business. They unpack how working alongside family, delegating with trust, and prioritizing fulfillment (inside and outside work) create truly sustainable success. You'll hear raw stories, unconventional tactics, and hard-earned lessons on leadership, autonomy, and building a company that people actually brag about.

    Listen now to discover proven strategies that will help you avoid endless burnout, break free from revolving team doors, and stand out with powerful emotional intelligence. This is an exclusive, story-rich episode, a must-hear for any operator or leader ready to love their business (and life).

    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – Why most people who resist change eventually check out, and how Vincent attracts “let’s go” energy

    [01:14] – The unexpected origins of A1 Roofing: family hustle, college lessons, and sharing everything

    [08:04] – When company leaders choose team dignity over difficult clients—winning big by walking away

    [09:08] – How investing in health benefits, retreats, and family flexibility created a magnetic culture

    [12:32] – Unlimited PTO and summer Fridays: why radical time-off policies actually increased productivity

    [13:01] – The surprising drop in turnover rate, and how Vincent’s approach crushed industry averages

    [15:14] – Why giving up Saturday work fueled energy and fulfillment for tough field roles

    [22:27] – How moving from “doing it all” to scalable systems unlocked Vincent’s passion (and his sleep)

    [27:02] – Mentorship, leadership meetings, and a wild commitment to personal growth—all in the real world

    [34:10] – Inside the rare, drama-free CEO/COO partnership—what makes “ego-free” collaboration last

    [39:55] – How AI transformed operations and supported team members with real challenges



    About the Guest


    Vincent Malizia is the Co-Owner and Chief Culture Officer of A1 Roofing, a leading commercial roofing company serving the New York tri-state region. Known for his 14+ years of people-first leadership, Vincent rebuilt A1’s company culture from the ground up—cutting turnover by more than half and fostering a team of nearly 100 employees. He’s recognized for his advocacy of autonomy, meaningful recognition systems, family-friendly policies, and investing in mentorship at every level.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website



    Mentioned Resources


    1. John Starks (guest speaker, leadership retreats)
    2. Join Assembly (employee recognition software)
    3. WhatsApp chat (team communication)
    4. ChatGPT (AI tool for job notes and operations)
    5. KFC – Colonel Sanders story
    6. Gary Vaynerchuk



    About the Co-Host

    Sivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.

    🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedIn



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi



    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.


    Ep. 544 - ForAfrika COO Jim Lutzweiler - Game-Changing Habits Every Top COO Uses Now Jan 13, 2026
    Show notes

    Are you secretly wondering if your team has what it really takes to scale across borders, cultures, and chaos?

    In this episode, Sivana sits down with Jim Lutzweiler, Global COO at ForAfrika, to pull back the curtain on what actually makes world-class teams tick. From the dirt floors of Ghana to the boardrooms of Fortune 500s, Jim’s been the fixer for mission-driven giants—solving people, culture, and growth puzzles in over 100 countries.

    If you’re tired of surface-level leadership advice and ready to learn the real, gritty skills for building resilient teams, breaking silos, and driving impact under fire, this conversation is your competitive edge. Listen now to dodge the pain and political landmines of hiring wrong, failing succession plans, or losing visibility on what actually matters.

    This episode delivers battle-tested wisdom for COOs who want to thrive. Miss it, and you’ll be left behind. Only here will you find these raw, proven insights. Don’t skip this one.

    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – The no-surprises rule that keeps leadership out of the headlines (and how silence wrecks your team’s brand)

    [02:10] – From Peace Corps mud huts to C-suite: why relentless curiosity built Jim’s game-changing career trajectory

    [05:33] – Why hiring for passion isn’t enough—developing the DNA for unstoppable teams across 8 countries

    [12:17] – When a single email kills your funding: navigating shock, recovery, and reinvention under global donor cuts

    [16:48] – The “BMW engine” mentality that rewired how Jim builds high-output teams

    [20:07] – How to spot (and fix) hidden silos—and why most leaders get blindsided

    [34:10] – In-person secrets: the critical moves that build (or break) trust when screens won’t cut it

    [51:31] – Working with visionaries: telling your CEO the hard truth and loving your “number two” seat

    About the Guest

    Jim Lutzweiler is the Chief Operating Officer at ForAfrika, an NGO transforming lives by unlocking Africa’s resources to help its people thrive. With over 25 years of experience in international development, including work across 100 countries for governments, NGOs, and Fortune 500 companies, Jim is recognized for building resilient teams, leading successful change initiatives, and managing complex projects at scale.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website



    Mentioned Resources

    1. World Food Programme
    2. USAID
    3. UNICEF
    4. EOS – Entrepreneurial Operating System
    5. AARP Foundation
    6. Duquesne University



    About the Co-Host

    Sivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.

    🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedIn



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi




    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.


    Ep. 543 - Vanguard Properties COO David Chol - From Burnout to Breakthrough: The New Rules of Team Building Jan 08, 2026
    Show notes

    Ever feel overwhelmed by the impossible task of scaling a team without losing your soul or your culture? You’re not alone… or powerless.

    In this episode, Sivana Brewer is joined by David Chol, COO of Vanguard Properties, for a candid conversation about breaking through isolation, banishing burnout, and the rare leadership moves every operator needs to hear (but never gets taught).

    They dive deep into why “quality over quantity” culture trumps complexity, how to actually build people (not just systems), and what happens when you ditch the rulebook and trust your gut. Learn proven ways to create psychological safety, unleash autonomy, and develop team members you never realized were hiding in plain sight.

    Listen now if you want a legendary team, not headaches. Tune in today to steal the strategies you won’t find on any corporate checklist and avoid the silent cost of letting your best people stagnate.

    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – The wild, serendipitous story of how an overseas friendship turned into a game-changing recruiting move

    [01:24] – “Quality over quantity”: The Vanguard way of winning big without getting bigger

    [04:46] – Why career-crushing heartbreaks can open doors to your best opportunities—and why David welcomes them

    [10:17] – There was no playbook: What happens when you’re handed your “dream job” and left to sink or swim

    [13:15] – Surprising truths: What David really discovered about himself when the safety nets disappeared

    [19:04] – The secret to creating a culture of radical autonomy without chaos—or loss of accountability

    [21:10] – Why most interviews are fake (and how to truly get to know someone before you hire them)

    [31:35] – The 15-calls-a-day ritual: The proven method that keeps hidden talent from falling through the cracks

    [38:03] – Exactly how to keep your best people growing—plus the overlooked dangers of ignoring their untapped skills

    [42:07] – The harsh realities no one tells COOs about—plus honest ways to navigate “second in command” constraints


    About the Guest


    David Chol is the Chief Operating Officer of Vanguard Properties, the Bay Area’s largest independent and LGBT-led brokerage, boasting 500+ agents and a forty-year legacy. A lifelong real estate operator with roots ranging from private equity to technology, David is known for building standout cultures and pioneering people-first leadership strategies that drive growth, even when markets are in turmoil. At Vanguard, he champions autonomy, radical honesty, and transforming hidden staff potential into real company wins.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website



    Mentioned Resources


    1. James Nunemaker (Vanguard CEO)
    2. Frank Nolan (Vanguard President/Co-Owner)
    3. Pam Ruffino (Director of Agent Success)



    About the Co-Host

    Sivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.

    🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedIn



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi




    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.


    Ep. 542 - Vinali Group COO and Co-Founder Ruth Velez - Uncommon Wins: The Proven Way to Lead with Vision Under Fire Jan 06, 2026
    Show notes

    Are you facing the pressure to reinvent your business before it’s too late? Imagine your cash flow vanishing, your team at risk, and your market shifting overnight.

    In this candid, deeply human episode, Sivana Brewer talks to Ruth Velez, COO and co-founder of Vinali Group, who led her company from the brink of collapse during COVID through a string of audacious pivots to global growth. Ruth exposes the real emotional rollercoaster behind leading with your partner, building culture across borders, hiring and keeping amazing talent, and never losing faith, no matter how chaotic it gets.

    This episode isn’t just about operations, it’s about surviving, adapting, and growing stronger together. Listen now to avoid the pain of stalling out, wasting years on the wrong models, or letting fear keep you stuck. Don’t miss Ruth’s rare, actionable insights. You won’t get this level of honesty or inside story anywhere else.

    Timestamped Highlights

    [00:00] – The bold moment Ruth and her husband decided failure was NOT an option

    [02:50] – How COVID nearly destroyed their staffing business—and the exact pivot that saved them

    [03:59] – Recruiting from Colombia: training from scratch to building a cross-border powerhouse

    [05:45] – Nearshoring vs. offshoring: hidden advantages for cost, culture, trust

    [08:52] – Security, HR, and team-building—the true reasons to use a staffing partner

    [12:00] – Grit and transparency: the secret to client loyalty during chaos

    [17:48] – Marriage + business: the COO/CEO dynamic, picking which wild ideas to follow

    [24:06] – Being the “options queen”—conquering doubts and finding your strengths

    [33:42] – Building legacy: raising entrepreneurial kids in a family business

    [35:34] – Only work with clients who TRULY fit—how that changed everything


    About the Guest


    Ruth Velez is COO and co-founder of Vinali Group, an international nearshore staffing company headquartered in Orlando, FL with offices in Colombia and across Latin America. Ruth is known for operational excellence, culture-building, and helping US companies leverage nearshoring for both trust and talent.

    🔗 LinkedIn | Website



    Mentioned Resources


    1. PPP Loan (COVID relief program)
    2. EOS – Entrepreneurial Operating System
    3. ISO 27001 (cybersecurity certification)
    4. Alex and Layla Hormozi (business couple)
    5. Traffic and Conversion Summit (business conference)
    6. Blockbuster, Redbox, Netflix (examples of pivoting, business adaption)



    About the Co-Host

    Sivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.

    🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedIn



    Important Links

    1. Connect with Cameron: Website | LinkedIn
    2. Explore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in Command
    3. Get Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO Book
    4. Take Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)
    5. Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi



    The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.


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