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    School of War – Nebulous Media

    In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war.

    Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.

    Aaron MacLean is a former senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.

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    How Trump Decided to Go to War with Iran, with Jonathan Swan Jul 21, 2026
    Show notes

    Jonathan Swan, a White House reporter for The New York Times, joins School of War to discuss the reporting behind his new book, Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump, co-authored with Maggie Haberman. How does Donald Trump make geopolitical decisions? What drove him to join Israel’s war against Iran? How has his thinking on Ukraine evolved? And how does China fit into all of this?

    02:23 - Inside Regime Change

    05:29 - Trump's View of the World

    09:04 - Why Trump Sees Iran Differently

    11:25 - Trump's Proxy Strategy

    12:44 - Steve Witkoff's Worldview

    13:43 - The Principles Behind Iran Policy

    14:45 - North Korea vs. Iran

    16:15 - Ron Dermer's Prediction

    17:58 - Why the 12-Day War Matters

    20:48 - Netanyahu's Case for War

    25:20 - Trump's Inner Circle on Iran

    28:01 - Trump's Turn on Ukraine

    30:36 - Trump's Approach to China

    31:55 - Taiwan and the China Challenge

    33:16 - The Future of Trump's Foreign Policy

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    ‘The Odyssey’ and the Search for Historical Truth, with James Diggle and John Underhill Jul 17, 2026
    Show notes

    James Diggle, emeritus professor of Greek and Latin at Cambridge University, and John Underhill, professor of geoscience and energy transition at the University of Aberdeen, join School of War to discuss their decades-long search for the real Ithaca of Homer’s Odyssey. Based on their recent Antigone journal article, “In Search of Ithaca,” they explain why the island we’ve called Ithaca for centuries may actually be the wrong one. Can modern geology solve a 3,000-year-old mystery? Have we finally found the true home of Odysseus? And what would that mean for one of the greatest stories ever told?

    02:44 – The mystery of Homer's Ithaca

    04:45 – Can Homer be treated as history?

    06:19 – The Bronze Age world of Odysseus

    09:25 – Why modern Ithaca doesn't fit Homer's description

    12:02 – Robert Bittlestone's hypothesis

    17:15 – The geology expedition begins

    23:17 – The million-euro search for Ithaca

    28:37 – Disproving the original theory

    31:19 – The geological breakthrough

    35:09 – The discovery that changes everything

    37:22 – Homer never actually calls Ithaca an island

    41:24 – Solving a 3,000-year-old mystery

    46:22 – Telemachus' journey finally makes sense

    50:54 – Would Robert Bittlestone have agreed?

    57:43 – The hidden cave

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    America’s Iran Problem Isn’t Going Away, with Mike Doran Jul 14, 2026
    Show notes

    Mike Doran, senior fellow and director of the Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East at the Hudson Institute, returns to School of War to examine why the war with Iran continues despite devastating military setbacks for Tehran. Is President Trump’s Iran strategy truly different from President Obama’s, or are the similarities overstated? What does the fight over the Strait of Hormuz reveal about the limits of American power? And what does this war tell us about the future of U.S. strategy in the Middle East—and its broader competition with China?

    01:22 - Recap of the Iran War

    06:03 - Iran's Leverage

    09:05 - MoU Misunderstandings

    12:28 - The Crux of the MoU Dispute

    15:42 - The Nuclear Status Quo

    17:58 - Iran's Degradation Since October 7

    21:13 - The Democrats' View

    22:02 - The Right's View

    23:25 - Trump's "Obama-Style" Rhetoric

    28:10 - Should America Reimpose the Blockade?

    28:53 - The Drone and Ballistic Missile Problem

    31:10 - Drone Warfare Has Changed Everything

    32:01 - The Vulnerability of America's Gulf Allies

    37:21 - Is the MoU Still in Effect?

    39:34 - Why Nobody Is Buying Iranian Oil

    46:32 - China and the Bigger Picture


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    Lindsey Graham: The Last of the ‘Three Amigos’ with Vance Serchuk Jul 13, 2026
    Show notes

    Vance Serchuk, executive director and Partner at the KKR Global Institute, and former senior national security adviser to Senator Joe Lieberman, was uniquely positioned to witness one of the most influential partnerships in modern American foreign policy: the “Three Amigos” of John McCain, Joe Lieberman, and Lindsey Graham. What made their partnership so effective? What vision did they share for America’s role in the world? And what does the end of the “Three Amigos” mean for the future of American foreign policy?

    02:21 - Lindsey Graham and the Three Amigos

    10:42 - First Impressions of Lindsey Graham

    13:20 - Lindsey Graham’s Sense of Humor

    15:47 - Graham’s Spontaneity

    21:44 - The Three Amigos’ Bond Through Travel

    23:31 - Oversight on the Front Lines

    24:56 - The Russian Threat

    27:00 - The Three Amigos’ Shared Convictions

    28:28 - Russia’s Invasion of Georgia

    32:56 - Senator Graham’s Political Courage

    33:27 - What Made the Three Amigos Different

    37:24 - Graham’s Political Instincts

    37:56 - Why the Three Amigos Worked

    39:33 - The Power of Political Friendship

    42:28 - Graham’s Work in the Trump Era

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    How Choke Points Became Weapons of War, with Edward Fishman Jul 10, 2026
    Show notes

    Edward Fishman, senior fellow and director of the Greenberg Center for Geoeconomics at the Council on Foreign Relations, joins School of War to discuss his New York Times best-selling book, Chokepoints: American Power in the Age of Economic Warfare. How has the United States turned the global economy into a strategic weapon? What are the strengths and limits of sanctions? And how are China, Russia, and Iran adapting to a new era of economic warfare?

    02:46 - Edward Fishman's background

    04:26 - Understanding economic chokepoints

    05:35 - The dollar as a strategic chokepoint

    07:02 - Semiconductors as a strategic chokepoint

    09:24 - The Iraq embargo and modern sanctions

    11:05 - Airpower vs. economic warfare

    12:14 - Are sanctions a "nuclear weapon"?

    13:23 - America's sanctions strategy toward Iran

    14:25 - Trump pulling out of the JCPOA

    16:20 - The limits of economic warfare

    18:00 - Iran, the Strait of Hormuz, and the MoU

    20:44 - Shadow fleets and Iranian oil

    22:54 - The evolution of Russia sanctions

    27:59 - China and the economic arms race

    29:53 - How nations mitigate economic chokepoints

    34:20 - What makes a strategic chokepoint?

    39:40 - Chokepoints beyond economics

    41:05 - Can Iran institutionalize control over the Strait of Hormuz?

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    Four Years Fighting Russia: An American Soldier’s Testimony Jul 07, 2026
    Show notes

    David, a U.S. military veteran who has been fighting voluntarily alongside Ukrainian forces, joins School of War to discuss how four years on the front lines have transformed modern warfare. How has combat in Ukraine changed since Russia’s 2022 invasion? Why have first-person view drones become the defining weapon of the war? What misconceptions does the West still have about the Russian military? And what lessons must the United States absorb before its next major conflict?

    02:49 - David’s military history

    05:56 - What brought David to Ukraine

    07:37 - Russia's failed invasion of Kyiv

    10:24 - How Ukraine turned the tide in 2022

    17:04 - How Ukraine adapted to Russia's invasion

    19:06 - America's role in Ukraine's early success

    23:59 - How the battlefield has evolved since 2022

    28:15 - Experiencing Russian artillery

    37:22 - From artillery warfare to drone warfare

    40:41 - Why FPV drones are terrifying

    44:20 - The modern "gray zone"

    49:26 - Why Russia is still a military threat

    01:00:49 - What Ukraine must do to survive

    01:11:41 - Is the U.S. military learning the right lessons?

    01:15:55 - The future of warfare and America's defense industry

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    The American Revolution Was a World War, with Richard Bell Jul 03, 2026
    Show notes

    Richard Bell, historian, professor at the University of Maryland, and author of The American Revolution and the Fate of the World, joins School of War to discuss how the American Revolution became a global conflict that stretched from Boston to the Caribbean, Europe, India, and beyond. How did George Washington's strategy force Britain to fight a world war? Why was France's intervention decisive to American victory? And what does the revolution reveal about the nature of coalition warfare?

    00:53 - Rick Bell's background

    02:05 - The American Revolution was a global war

    06:09 - What led to the Boston Tea Party

    12:45 - Patriot motivations

    14:38 - Who was Edmund Burke?

    16:50 - Britain divided over the Revolution

    20:47 - Why France backed the Patriots

    23:45 - France and Spain vs. Britain

    27:01 - The Caribbean: Britain's crown jewel

    30:08 - The forgotten theater of the Revolution

    35:49 - Washington's global coalition strategy

    38:55 - Germany and the Hessian soldiers

    41:50 - The Patriots' European officers

    43:10 - The myth of guerrilla warfare

    44:50 - Final thoughts

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    One Battle of Hormuz After Another, with Sal Mercogliano Jun 29, 2026
    Show notes

    Sal Mercogliano, professor of history at Campbell University and host of the What’s Going on with Shipping YouTube channel, joins the show once again to discuss Iran's renewed attacks on commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. Why is the ceasefire already beginning to unravel? What is Iran trying to accomplish by asserting control over the strait? And what could the long-term consequences be for global trade, energy markets, and freedom of navigation?


    02:11 - New arrangement in the Strait of Hormuz

    05:19 - Humanitarian situation for sailors

    06:53 - Jobs at sea and AI

    08:05 - New rounds of violence

    11:02 - Route options for ships

    13:30 - Why did the ceasefire break down?

    15:05 - Iran asserts control over the strait

    16:10 - Why were these ships targeted?

    19:08 - Strait of Hormuz as a strategic choke point

    21:49 - What Iran learned from the Houthis

    23:21 - Why energy prices haven't spiked

    28:20 - Impact on developing nations

    29:13 - The endgame in the Strait of Hormuz

    33:22 - U.S. naval presence in the Gulf

    36:26 - Iran's maritime protection racket

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    Why Chimpanzees Go to War, with John Mitani Jun 26, 2026
    Show notes

    Dr. John Mitani, professor emeritus in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Michigan and recipient of the Charles R. Darwin Lifetime Achievement Award, joins School of War to discuss the violent chimpanzee civil war he documented among the Ngogo chimpanzees in Uganda. What caused one of the world's largest chimpanzee communities to turn on itself? What does chimpanzee warfare reveal about the origins of human conflict? And what separates humans from our closest living relatives?


    02:39 - How Dr. Mitani became an ape researcher

    04:02 - Why chimpanzees?

    05:13 - Humans' closest living relatives

    08:38 - The Ngogo chimpanzees

    09:31 - The chimpanzee civil war begins

    13:35 - Living among wild chimpanzees

    17:09 - Territorial patrols and warfare

    22:34 - Why the chimpanzee community split

    26:26 - How chimpanzees fight

    29:14 - The strategy behind chimp warfare

    31:24 - Why full stomachs lead to war

    33:10 - Land, food, and reproduction

    37:27 - Infanticide and the mystery of female survival

    39:26 - When civil war becomes permanent

    41:13 - What chimpanzees teach us about human nature

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    From Teenage Soldier to Commander in Ukraine, with Mamuka Mamulashvili Jun 23, 2026
    Show notes

    Earlier this year, Aaron MacLean visited Ukraine, where he met with Georgian Legion commander Mamuka Mamulashvili. What happens when a boy goes to war at 14 years old? What does a lifetime of fighting Russians teach you about how they operate? And what lessons should the West be learning from war in Ukraine?

    02:18 - Growing up in Soviet Georgia

    03:53 - Russia's invasion of Abkhazia

    07:59 - Capture and torture by Russian forces

    10:24 - The First and Second Chechen Wars

    13:49 - Killing a Russian soldier for the first time

    17:32 - Force vs. diplomacy

    18:14 - Georgia's wars with Russia

    20:19 - The 2008 Russo-Georgian War

    23:47 - Georgian support for Ukraine

    24:39 - Mixed martial arts

    29:53 - Founding the Georgian Legion

    33:33 - The defense of Hostomel Airport

    43:32 - How drones have transformed warfare

    50:45 - Russian disinformation

    52:27 - Why Ukraine will ultimately win

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