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    Scale or Die

    In the tech world, if you don’t scale, your business will die. Join our host, Dave Rogenmoser, co-founder of Proof, as he uncovers proven strategies from the growth experts behind some of the world’s fastest-growing software startups (Drift, Instapage, Zapier, & more).

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    Latest Episodes:
    Founder Fridays: The 7 keys to why Proof has been successful Mar 30, 2019
    Show notes

    In this episode, Dave reflects on the key reaons Proof has achieved $200,000+ MRR, raised capital through the top startup accelerator Y Combinator, and has built a business he loves with his best friends all in under 24 months.

    Key 1: have a technical co-founder
    Key 2: pre-sell your product
    Key 3: laser focus on niche influencers
    Key 4: get advisors to open doors
    Key 5: build a moat with brand and design
    Key 6: establish market leadership
    Key 7: move to a place good for business and family

    Also, stay tuned at the end of the show for a new weekly segment: things I like, things I hate, and the product I'm loving right now.

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    #07: How to dominate a crowded market with brand, customer obsession, and UX — Sujan Patel, CEO of Mailshake Mar 26, 2019
    Show notes

    Sujan Patel is one of the biggest names in the growth and content marketing world. For the past 13 years, he has led digital strategy for clients such as Salesforce, Mint, Zillow, LinkedIn, and several Fortune 500 companies. Plus, he's also an entrepreneur himself — founding WebProfits, ContentMarketer.io, Narrow, Quuu, and Mailshake.

    By working with a variety of clients over the years, Sujan has a variety of growth strategies that can take a company from startup so scaleup. In this episode, we’ll deep dive with him on brand, user experience, and customer obsession. We’ll cover pivoting a company, buying businesses, and his decision to run a SaaS billboard in the middle of Iowa. Plus, during this episode, we host a recurring feature, Which Test Won?

    0:01 — Introduction
    5:24 — Sujan chimes in on trends in growth; “it’s harder than ever to stand out”
    7:00 — Buying remnant billboards
    7:55 — How to build a brand to stand out
    9:15 — Which Test Won?
    17:32 — The story of MailShake’s growth
    18:22 — Failing to hit PMF and the rebrand
    19:26 — What worked really, really well in the early days
    21:15 — Marketing before you have a product
    22:10 — Buying and acquiring tools as a growth channel
    23:55 — The Salty Six

    This is an actionable episode — we hope you enjoy! Get ready to #ScaleOrDie...

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    Founder Fridays: The 7 biggest mistakes I've made while growing Proof Mar 22, 2019
    Show notes

    In this episode, Dave gets vulnerable. He reflects on the biggest leadership and company mistakes he's made while growing Proof — blunders in growth, communication, hiring, product, strategy and more! If you're an entrepreneur or manager, learn from our missteps and don't make the same errors as you grow your business.

    Also, stay tuned at the end of the show for a new weekly segment: things I like, things I hate, and the product I'm loving right now.

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    Founder Fridays: First principles thinking & how to problem solve like the smartest people in the world Mar 15, 2019
    Show notes

    In this episode, Dave covers First Principles Thinking in-depth and how he's used it over his career as an entrepreneur. This is a strategy employed by Elon Musk, Ray Dalio, and others — and it's led to many of the biggest breakthroughs of the past decade. After explaining the concept, Dave focuses on exactly how this line of thinking has impacted Proof.

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    #06: Wade Foster, CEO of Zapier, on flywheels, early user acquisition, and self-improvement on the way to $35MM ARR Mar 12, 2019
    Show notes

    Have you ever tried to save an email to Evernote? Fire a Google Calendar from a Slack message? Getting programs to talk to each other without direct APIs used to be a nightmare. And then came Zapier.

    Zapier is the solution to help companies set up powerful workflows and make nearly any software program integrate. With their service, you can connect over 1300 apps (and growing) without a custom built hook. The service originated during a hackathon weekend, and it has quickly grown into one of the largest software companies of the decade. In just over 7 years, Zapier graduated YCombinator, has grown to $35 million in ARR, and recently they were named #53 on The Forbes Cloud 100.

    It’s also notable to mention that Zapier is structured a bit differently than most businesses. Zapier is a 100% distributed team of 170 individuals scattered around the globe — and they are strong through leaders around remote work culture.

    In this episode, Wade Foster, CEO & founder of Zapier, talks with Dave about the strategies he has used to achieve massive revenue and user growth. Their conversation covers early user acquisition, finding ideal customers through forums, building growth flywheels, the split between Growth vs Marketing, failed strategies, and much more!

    0:01 — Introduction
    1:47 — Why accolades mean the most for family members; Zapier's #53 spot on the coveted Forbes Cloud 100
    3:33 — The startup weekend that birthed zAPIer
    4:10 — What is Zapier? Where is the business at right now?
    5:15 — When people think tech founder — they don’t often think the Midwest. Has being from Missouri shaped Wade's success?
    6:39 — How Wade used online forums to spark growth at Zapier
    8:56 — “It was the right amount of traffic" — how low volume but high intent users in the early days changed the game for the business
    11:22 — Breaking down the Zapier flywheel
    12:05 — Growth strategies and risks that haven’t panned out well
    14:34 — What do the growth and marketing teams look like at Zapier? Wade explains his thought process while building that part of the organization
    15:32 — “Growth has to be a core competency from the get-go”
    17:02 — Chief growth officer vs chief marketing officer
    18:52 — What’s a counterintuitive thing you believe about growing a startup?
    20:58 — The best things Wade has done to improve as a CEO
    23:44 — The salty six; rapid-fire questions to know Wade better

    This is an actionable episode — we hope you enjoy! Get ready to #ScaleOrDie...

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    Founder Fridays: Inside Y Combinator — how we got in, what it's really like, and is it worth it? Mar 08, 2019
    Show notes

    In this episode, Dave opens the door on Proof's experience at Y Combinator (Proof is a YC Winter 18 grad). He'll talk about why he decided to apply to the notorious accelerator, why Proof didn't get in the first time around, what the day to day at YC is actually like, common misconceptions about the program, and more! If you're thinking about applying to YC or just are curious for an insider's scoop on the program — this episode is for you.

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    Founder Fridays: Marketing 3.0 & how we increased our demos 54% and new trials 27% by creating delightful experiences pt. 2 Mar 01, 2019
    Show notes

    The Internet has changed a great deal over the past decade, and it's about time for marketing to catch up. In this episode, Dave continues his talk from last week on why Marketing 3.0 is an era in which every person has their own unique funnel. He explains how his team has used the concept to increase demos and trials at Proof. Plus, he'll give a preview of the new software project Proof has been working on for the last few months. This is part 2 of 2. Part 1 originally aired 2/22.

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    #05: LawnStarter’s road from TechStars to leading lawn marketplace Feb 26, 2019
    Show notes

    After going through TechStars in 2014, LawnStarter Lawn Care has scaled into the leading online name in lawn care. Ryan Farley, LawnStarter's co-founder and CMO, has led the company's massive growth — scaling the business to over 10,000 customers. How has he done it?

    On this episode, Ryan will cover the growth channels that have worked for him, why he experimented with biphasic sleep for a period of time, how to adjust for seasonality in a business model, and the shocking insights he's had over the past few years as he's sat at the epicenter of growth marketing. We'll also do a deep dive into his customer acquisition funnel, and walk through exactly why he's built it in the way he has.

    This is an actionable episode — we hope you enjoy! Get ready to #ScaleOrDie...

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    Founder Fridays: Marketing 3.0 & how to win in the Experience Era pt. 1 Feb 22, 2019
    Show notes

    The Internet has changed a great deal over the past decade, and it's about time for marketing to catch up. In this episode, Dave chimes in on why Marketing 3.0 is an era in which every person has their own unique funnel. He explains why businesses that embrace "online experiences" will win in the long run: higher conversion rates, greater revenue, happier customers... This is part 1 of 2. Part 2 goes live next Friday, 3/1.

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


    Founder Fridays: 7 shifts I've made from marketer to CEO Feb 15, 2019
    Show notes

    As Proof has grown from 3 friends working out of a basement in Maryland to a company of 15 working in downtown Austin, Texas — Dave has had to change the way he thinks. It's no longer a situation where he can work in a silo, he's had to develop systems to better manage and lead a team. In this episode, he deep dives on the books, strategies, and actions he's taken to make the shift from marketer to CEO.

    We're excited to have you along for Season 1 of #ScaleOrDie. Before you leave, be sure to leave a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review, post a comment, or share with your friends! Tune into more episodes at useproof.com/scaleordie and read more stories at blog.useproof.com. Follow Dave & Proof on Twitter — @DaveRogemoser and @UseProof. We publish episodes every week so be sure to check back often for more interviews with the internet’s best minds in growth!


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