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    Chemistry

    Rule Your Pool

    Rule Your Pool is a podcast by Orenda Technologies. This show was created for pool owners, operators, and service pros who want the best water quality possible. If you want to know what’s really going on with your swimming pool chemistry, this might be the podcast for you. Each week, we’ll cover a new topic related to swimming pools, water chemistry, or indoor air quality. With our help, you’ll be able to rule your pool without over-treating it with chemicals and wasting money.

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    Wildfires and Swimming Pools Sep 08, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    01:10 - Wildfires burn through forests and convert plant life into basic elements...primarily carbon, nitrogen and phosphorus.

    02:15 - The closer you are to the fire, the more contamination will get in your water. If you can smell smoke, it's getting into your pool too.

    03:45 - Prepare for the smoke, ash and debris when fires start. Be proactive.

    03:59 - Rare instances: helicopters borrowing water from your pool, and fire extinguisher chemicals getting into your pool. Most likely this is a drain and refill.

    05:47 - Nothing replaces physically cleaning out debris and cleaning the filter. Chemicals will not remove physical debris.

    07:30 - Enzymes break down carbon non-living organics. Perfect for addressing carbon contaminants like smoke and ash.

    08:51 - Phosphates should be removed too. Consider PR-10,000 or CV-700 enzyme + phosphate remover.

    10:02 - Thanks for listening! Find more on our website blog or the 'articles' section of the Orenda App.

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    Pool Party Chemistry Sep 01, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    01:44 - Biggest difference between normal pool days and a pool party: bather load.

    05:28 - Visit our Second Pillar of proactive pool care, about non-living organics.

    08:21 - Holy trinity of pools: Circulation, Filtration, and Chemistry. All three suffer during a pool party.

    13:08 - Prepare water and clean it up afterward. Homeowners have an advantage because they know when the party is going to happen, and they can prepare. Service professionals visit once a week, so they do not have that luxury.

    17:27 - Best practices: handle the oxidant demand, communicate, and increase chlorine (not shocking, just raising it up to about 5 ppm). Also, clean strainer baskets and vacuum debris out of the pool ahead of time.

    20:48 - Clean up the toys afterward so the pool can be vacuumed and cleaned faster after the party.

    23:22 - Thanks for listening!

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    Evaporation and Accumulation Sep 01, 2021
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    00:00 - Intro

    02:21 - Evaporation is the process of liquid water converting into water vapor (gas). And this process takes energy (heat) to occur.

    03:40 - Humidity in the air and the difference between air and water temperature (delta T) are the two main factors that determine evaporation rate.

    05:03 - How evaporation affects water chemistry. An average pool loses roughly its entire volume of pool water in a given year.

    06:28 - Difference in temperature between water and air matters a lot. Cold air and warm water evaporates more.

    08:58 - Anything in tap water tends to accumulate over time (calcium, metals, etc.). Things not in tap water tend to stay consistent (CYA, salinity, etc.)

    10:34 - https://blog.orendatech.com/evaporation-and-accumulation

    11:27 - Evaporation scum/scale line on their tile, above the waterline. Not necessarily an LSI violation, because water leaves, so the saturation of CaCO3 goes up.

    14:21 - Winterization involves draining water down, and the dilution throughout the winter drastically changes water chemistry.

    16:52 - Analogy: glass of water. CH = 200 ppm. Drink half, the CH does not change. Let half evaporate, and the CH doubles.

    18:19 - Thanks for listening!

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    Containing pH vs. Controlling pH Aug 25, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    01:30 - Controlling pH is not possible. pH moves with anything that happens to the water. It's a reactionary chemistry.

    04:07 - Many ways for you to balance the LSI. Use the Orenda App and find out what works for you.

    05:45 - Disclosure for commercial pool operators with pH limit of 7.8, and those with chemical automation/acid feeders.

    10:26 - White rings around aggregate means the loss of calcium hydroxide (aggressive water stole calcium). From the ITZs.

    12:33 - Example using the Orenda app. Let's do this together so you can see for yourself.

    17:31 - What if we leverage Henry's Law, and use it to our advantage?

    19:21 - Containing pH means never going RED on the LSI calculator, so the pH naturally rises to its ceiling (Henry's Law), and no further.

    25:00 - Quick recap of why pH has to rise. CO2 determines pH, and CO2 has to off-gas to equalize with CO2 above the water (Henry's Law).

    29:58 - Stop thinking of pH as something you can control. Focus on keeping the LSI balanced by containing pH.

    31:00 - Recap. Focus on proper sanitization (FC:CYA) and your LSI. Thanks for listening!

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    Calcium Flakes in Saltwater Pools Aug 18, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    03:15 - Calcium flakes and other deposits in salt pools are very common. You're not alone if your pool has them.

    05:00 - Our first question when someone calls about calcium flakes: "what is your alkalinity?"

    10:33 - How salt cells work, from the inside out

    12:16 - What does the salt cell do throughout the day? What to the percentages of output actually mean?

    14:12 - Reversing polarity (changing direction of electricity) in between on/off cycles of salt cells. This fractures calcium carbonate into flakes, which blow into your pool.

    14:53 - Most of the time, flakes are in your spa, or near your closest return to the equipment.

    15:41 - Flakes tumble around in the pool and smooth out and look more like sno-kone ice.

    21:31 - Solutions to this problem: balance your LSI, use SC-1000, and operate with lower alkalinity.

    27:37 - Allow more circulation time. Most scale is formed right after circulation stops (warm, stagnant water with high pH).

    30:08 - Summary. Thanks for listening!

    28:21 - Thank you for listening!

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    Combined Chlorine 201: How to reduce combined chlorine Aug 11, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    02:15 - How do we get rid of combined chlorine? Do we just let chlorine do its thing?

    02:49 - Two categories of how to reduce combined chlorine: chemically and physically.

    03:30 - Two chemical options: breakpoint chlorination and supplementing chlorine with enzyme or a non-chlorine oxidizer shock. But enzymes and non-chlorine oxidizers do not directly reduce combined chlorine...only chlorine can.

    15:06 - Physically removing combined chlorine is done with secondary systems. Oxidizers and UV sanitizer. Ozone and AOP are oxidizers that destroy both nitrogen compounds and formed chloramines. UV can only destroy formed chloramines.

    23:43 - If you have a heavy bather load, a secondary system makes a lot of sense.

    24:30 - Being proactive means finding the source of nitrogen and addressing that. Check deck cleaners, any algaecide or other product containing ammonia (or ammonium) and keep them out of your pool.

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    Combined Chlorine 101: What are chloramines? Aug 04, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    00:59 - This will be complex chemistry, but very simplified.

    02:07 - What is combined chlorine? What does chlorine "combine with"?

    05:32 - Combined chlorine is an indicator of your chlorine falling behind, and the byproducts are the cause of bather discomfort, irritation and sickness.

    06:00 - The pool industry uses the term "chloramines" generally to describe all of these combined chlorine byproducts.

    12:06 - Chloramines, far more than pH, are behind bather discomfort, eye and throat irritation, etc.

    16:12 - Even if you have a bromine pool, similar chemistry occurs (bromamines).

    21:27 - There is no chemical way to get rid of nitrogen byproducts without chlorine combining there. There isn't a natural enzyme or other chemical that can break down nitrogen compounds.

    28:00 - Nitrogen in your water means your chlorine will be tied up dealing with it.

    28:21 - Thank you for listening!

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    Muriatic acid alternatives: Sulfuric Acid, Sodium Bisulfate and CO2 Jul 28, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    01:33 - We're in an muriatic acid shortage. Thanks, COVID.

    02:21 - Two specialty acids: modified Muriatic Acids for less fuming: AcidBlue and AcidMagic.

    03:06 - Muriatic acid is a diluted form of Hydrochloric acid (HCl). It is 31.45% HCl or less.

    04:14 - Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) is sold in 38.5% concentration. It is comparable in dosing to standard 31.45% HCl. It takes just 2% more sulfuric acid to equal muriatic by volume.

    09:36 - Sodium bisulfate (NaHSO4) is sold in 93.2% concentration. It is also known as "dry acid", or in pool retail stores, "pH down" or "alkalinity down". It is safer to handle than liquid acid, but needs to be pre-dissolved before adding to the pool.

    11:48 - Let's talk about sulfates (SO4--) or (SO3--).

    12:05 - One gallon of 38.5% sulfuric acid leaves behind 47.1 ppm of sulfates in 10,000 gallons.

    13:19 - One pound of 93.2% of sodium bisulfate leaves behind 9.6 ppm of sulfates in 10,000 gallons, plus salt.

    14:58 - even in perfectly LSI-balanced water, if you have high enough sulfates, you can still have etching of cement. The sulfate ion (SO3--) can become the dominant ion and kicks carbonate off of calcium (Ca++) and create calcium sulfate. Enough calcium sulfate can precipitate a sharp crystalline scale.

    18:08 - The only way to reduce sulfates is to drain and dilute. Unless you have Reverse Osmosis (R.O.) available. If you're going to use sulfuric or sodium bisulfate, you must regularly schedule dilutions to avoid sulfate problems.

    19:53 - Sulfates and metals can combine to create that infamous 'rotten egg' smell. We think of it as sulfur, but it's usually iron sulfate or some variant.

    21:08 - The third alternative for pH reduction is injecting carbon dioxide (CO2). It reduces pH but does not reduce alkalinity. In fact, alkalinity tends to rise due to excess lye from chlorine.

    22:18 - Acid only introduces more CO2 (to reduce pH) is to burn through alkalinity and convert it into carbonic acid. And Joe thought I was asking a trick question. There is no CO2 in acid.

    24:39 - One pound of CO2 is equivalent to 32.8 fl.oz. of standard Muriatic Acid for pH correction.

    27:08 - Summary

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    Ways to optimize chlorine efficiency Jul 21, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    02:57 - How to we make use of the limited chlorine we have?

    03:33 - The chlorine shortage explained (by Joe, so it's better)

    06:58 - Chlorinate at a time that direct sunlight does not hit the liquid chlorine. Either in shade or at night.

    09:06 - Don't hoard liquid chlorine. It degrades over time, and don't be that person. Your peers and neighbors need chlorine too.

    10:22 - What else can be done? Secondary oxidation/sanitization can supplement chlorine.

    12:34 - What about deliberately slowing down chlorine? (Intentionally raising CYA)

    15:02 - If you raise CYA on purpose, you can do that, but you should remove phosphates and non-living organics to further optimize the slower chlorine that you have.

    15:55 - Keep nitrogen compounds (like ammonia or urea) out of your pool.

    19:28 - If you're using algaecides, be aware of their byproducts. All of them have byproducts that will eventually conflict with chlorine and reduce it.

    21:14 - Summary

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    How to Use Less Acid: Stop Chasing pH Jul 02, 2021
    Show notes

    00:00 - Intro

    01:23 - Acid shortage.

    03:18 - Why do we chase pH? Because the textbooks tell us to.

    04:01 - Chlorine speed (%HOCl) and pH

    06:18 - pH and bather comfort? Fake news.

    07:03 - We have been conditioned to look to acid for help

    09:31 - LSI first, range chemistry second.

    10:24 - Containing pH instead of trying to control it

    12:28 - Physics and pH rebound

    13:42 - Equilibrium between water and air

    15:09 - Henry's Law

    18:26 - Carbonated beer

    19:47 - pH ceiling

    22:25 - Containing the natural pH rise

    26:18 - Micro adjustments

    28:09 - Chemical shortages are opportunities for positive change

    30:18 - Summary. Thanks for listening!

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