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    Reality Escape Pod – Escape Rooms & Immersive Games

    A Room Escape Artist Production

    In a world gone digital, doing things in person is strangely revolutionary. 

    Reality Escape Pod is an interview podcast diving deep with people who make the world’s best immersive games and experiences: ARGs, puzzle hunts, tabletop games, theme parks, and of course, escape rooms. Our aim is to bring together different segments of the gaming world to share ideas between them.

    Hosts David Spira & Peih-Gee Law explore immersive gaming from all angles with a unique blend of curiosity, joy, and a deep appreciation of craft. Each episode explores the guest’s philosophy, design approach, and humanity.

    About the hosts:

    David Spira is an experience designer, co-founder of RoomEscapeArtist.com and Reality Escape Convention. He is the escape room industry’s most prolific leader. In 2014 he applied his professional skills as a digital experience designer to the burgeoning industry of escape rooms, and more than a decade later he has built a community for its creators and consumers.

    Peih-Gee Law is most well known for being a fan favorite contestant on the reality show Survivor, where she played first in Survivor China in 2007, and again in a returning All-Star season Survivor Second Chance. In 2025, she launched PG’s Playhouse, a fun podcast with brainteasers, puzzles, and trivia. She is also on the official story team for Neotropolis, an annual 5 day immersive cyberpunk festival, where she creates narrative driven gameplay and experiences for thousands of attendees.

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    Spoilers Club: Stay in the Dark Part 1 Preview May 17, 2024
    Show notes

    This is a teaser from this month's Spoilers Club. David Spira & Peih-Gee Law take a deep dive into iconic or impactful escape rooms. The creators join us to share exclusive behind the scenes, commentary and insights about their games. This month explored Stay in the Dark; a remarkably enormous game of cat and mouse played through a five story abandoned chemical factory. Creator Gijs Geers from DarkPark guided us on a journey through his game.

    Get the full episode by supporting Room Escape Artist on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/roomescapeartist

    When you support Room Escape Artist on Patreon at $15 per month (or above), you get access to the Spoilers Club, our exclusive podcast where hosts David Spira and Peih-Gee Law chat in depth with creators about iconic escape rooms... spoilers and all!


    S7E10 Bonus After-Show Teaser: RECON LA May 15, 2024
    Show notes

    We're sharing a little bit of our Patreon exclusive Bonus show from S7E10.

    In this clip. David and Lee-Fay Low discuss the art of crafting a great convention talk and what they look for in speakers at RECON.

    Listen to the rest of the Bonus Show now by becoming a patron today at patreon.com/roomescapeartist and to gain to access our library of over 60 bonus after shows.

    Thank you for supporting our work.


    S7E10 - Unlocking the Secrets of RECON LA with Lee-Fay Low and Theresa Wagner May 13, 2024
    Show notes “It's remarkable what happens when you stop practicing and spend a little bit of time teaching people.“

    Do you own an escape room? Do you have a skillset that applies to immersive gaming experiences, such as game designer, prop maker, or tech expert? Are you an aspiring escape room creator? Are you an escape room enthusiast looking to take a deep dive into the craft and see behind the scenes of these remarkable games?

    If the answer to any of these questions is YES, then RECON LA is perfect for you. Programming Lead Lee-Fay Low and Games Lead Theresa Wagner join us to break down everything you need to know about our escape room convention.

    We talk about new changes to the format of the convention, which has been designed to ensure that every attendee has a chance to see and play everything offered. We tease some of the main stage talks and speakers, and we also discuss some of the incredible experiences guests will be able to enjoy, including Imagi-Ne’er Do-Wells & The 49 Boxes.

    If you’re on the fence about attending RECON LA, hopefully this episode will help you decide to join in. If you’ve already bought a ticket, this episode will give a sense of what to expect and help you maximize your time at RECON.

    Timestamps & Full Show Notes

    Episode Sponsors

    Thank you to our sponsors Morty, Buzzshot, COGS by Clockwork Dog, & RECON, the Reality Escape Convention:

    Morty

    Morty is a free app for discovering, planning, tracking, and reviewing your escape rooms and other immersive social outings.

    Morty News:

    • Morty now features haunt attractions
    • Morty for Android is here

    Special Badge for REPOD listeners:

    You can learn more at morty.app/REPOD to sign up and get a special badge for our listeners (works for existing users also).

    Buzzshot

    Buzzshot is Escape Room Software, Powering Business Growth, Player Marketing, and improving the Customer Experience. They offer an assortment of pre and post game features including robust waiver management, branded team photos, and streamlined review management for Yelp, TripAdvisor, Google Reviews, and Morty. Buzzshot now has integration with the other REPOD sponsors: Morty and COGS.

    Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:

    REPOD listeners get an extended 21-day free trial plus 20% off your first 3 months, with no set-up fees or hidden charges. Visit buzzshot.com/repod to learn more about this exclusive offer.

    COGS

    COGS by Clockwork Dog is an easy to use software/ hardware platform for running interactive events, including escape rooms, and other immersive experiences. They have plug & play hardware that seamlessly integrates with their software so you can create a show with lighting and sound cues without having to write a single line of code. Map all kinds of inputs to outputs by building up simple logic steps which determine what you want to happen and when.

    Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:

    REPOD listeners can get the COGS Starter Set for only $130 + free shipping to the USA. This bundle is usually valued at $257. You can learn more and purchase your Starter Set at cogs.show. Use code REPOD at checkout.

    RECON - The Reality Escape Convention

    Our convention, RECON, will be in Universal City, California on August 18th & 19th, 2024.

    RECON offers a curated collection of talks and experiences exploring the business and art of escape room and immersive game creation. All are welcome at this event that is crafted around professionals and aspiring professionals.

    Tickets are on sale now at RealityEscapeCon.com

    Production Credits

    Hosted by David Spira & Peih-Gee Law

    Produced by Theresa Piazza

    Supported by Lisa Spira, Richard Burns, and Tommy Honton

    Edited by Steve Ewing of Stand Inside Media

    Music by Ryan Elder

    Logo by Janine Pracht


    S7E9 Bonus After-Show Teaser: Andy Crocker May 08, 2024
    Show notes

    We're sharing a little bit of our Patreon exclusive Bonus show from S7E9.

    In this clip, co-host Peih-Gee Law talks about rat park, a psychological experiment run by Dr. Bruce Alexander in the seventies, and the impact of creating connections through play.

    Listen to the rest of the Bonus Show now by becoming a patron today at patreon.com/roomescapeartist and to gain to access our library of over 60 bonus after shows.

    Thank you for supporting our work.


    S7E9 - Captain of Heartfelt Shenanigans: Andy Crocker, Immersive Performance Director May 06, 2024
    Show notes "I think being silly is really important."

    Playing pretend together is powerful stuff, and Andy Crocker knows this better than anyone. If you’ve experienced heartfelt shenanigans at Ghost Town Alive, or exchanged thrilling secrets in the engineering room aboard Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser, chances are you’ve come across Andy’s work. As an Immersive Performance Director, Andy’s work involves creating unscripted moments that gives the audience a chance to dig into their inner silliness.

    In addition to her work with Interactive Performance at theme park experiences, Andy is also one half of Mister and Mischief. They create what they call “fun-forward interactive experiences designed to delight audiences and turn strangers into pals.” Escape From Godot definitely fits the bill as a play that suddenly becomes an escape room. Their more recent 40 Watts from Nowhere turned the guests into pirate radio DJ’s reliving the memories of Sue Carpenter, a kickass radio rebel.

    Andy takes the business of being silly very seriously. Her enthusiasm for spreading the joy of make-believe is palpable. She designs her experience to create a safe space for the audience to indulge in childlike joy. The power of make-believe is real, and no one believes in it more than Andy Crocker. If you want to see the magic for yourself, don't miss Andy's talk at RECON this August, and make sure to get tickets for Escape From Godot.

    Timestamps & Full Show Notes

    Episode Sponsors

    Thank you to our sponsors Morty, Buzzshot, COGS by Clockwork Dog, & RECON, the Reality Escape Convention:

    Morty

    Morty is a free app for discovering, planning, tracking, and reviewing your escape rooms and other immersive social outings.

    Morty News:

    • Morty now features haunt attractions
    • Morty for Android is here

    Special Badge for REPOD listeners:

    You can learn more at morty.app/REPOD to sign up and get a special badge for our listeners (works for existing users also).

    Buzzshot

    Buzzshot is Escape Room Software, Powering Business Growth, Player Marketing, and improving the Customer Experience. They offer an assortment of pre and post game features including robust waiver management, branded team photos, and streamlined review management for Yelp, TripAdvisor, Google Reviews, and Morty. Buzzshot now has integration with the other REPOD sponsors: Morty and COGS.

    Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:

    REPOD listeners get an extended 21-day free trial plus 20% off your first 3 months, with no set-up fees or hidden charges. Visit buzzshot.com/repod to learn more about this exclusive offer.

    COGS

    COGS by Clockwork Dog is an easy to use software/ hardware platform for running interactive events, including escape rooms, and other immersive experiences. They have plug & play hardware that seamlessly integrates with their software so you can create a show with lighting and sound cues without having to write a single line of code. Map all kinds of inputs to outputs by building up simple logic steps which determine what you want to happen and when.

    Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:

    REPOD listeners can get the COGS Starter Set for only $130 + free shipping to the USA. This bundle is usually valued at $257. You can learn more and purchase your Starter Set at cogs.show. Use code REPOD at checkout.

    RECON - The Reality Escape Convention

    Our convention, RECON, will be in Universal City, California on August 18th & 19th, 2024.

    RECON offers a curated collection of talks and experiences exploring the business and art of escape room and immersive game creation. All are welcome at this event that is crafted around professionals and aspiring professionals.

    Tickets are on sale now at RealityEscapeCon.com

    Production Credits

    Hosted by David Spira & Peih-Gee Law

    Produced by Theresa Piazza

    Supported by Lisa Spira, Richard Burns, and Tommy Honton

    Edited by Steve Ewing of Stand Inside Media

    Music by Ryan Elder

    Logo by Janine Pracht


    S7E8 Bonus After-Show Teaser: Cross Roads May 01, 2024
    Show notes

    We're sharing a little bit of our Patreon exclusive Bonus show from S7E8.

    In this clip, co-hosts David Spira and Peih-Gee Law talk about Activate and Time Mission, which are both different types of challenge arcades.

    Listen to the rest of the Bonus Show now by becoming a patron today at patreon.com/roomescapeartist and to gain to access our library of over 60 bonus after shows.

    Thank you for supporting our work.


    REPOD S7E8 - Influential and Experimental: Luke & Madison Rhoades of Cross Roads Escape Games Apr 29, 2024
    Show notes

    “We always want to make something that we haven't seen before.”

    There are few companies who have been as influential in the escape room scene as Cross Roads Escape Games. Not only are all their games highly polished with brilliant puzzles, gorgeous sets, and fun interactions, they’re also creatively experimental.

    The owners, Luke and Madison Rhoades, have made some of the most innovative and format-breaking escape rooms in the world from the iconic experience, The Hex Room, to their most recent masterpiece, The Weeping Witch. In this episode, we break down the brilliance behind their games and what makes them unique.

    At their core, Luke and Madison are creative dare devils. They look for ways to challenge the industry and add their own fun twist on what defines an escape room. Combined with their theatrical backgrounds and business acumen, this experimental nature is what defines Cross Roads Escape Games and makes them such an iconic company in the escape room scene.

    Timestamps & Full Show Notes

    Episode Sponsors

    Thank you to our sponsors Morty, Buzzshot, COGS by Clockwork Dog, & RECON, the Reality Escape Convention:

    Morty

    Morty is a free app for discovering, planning, tracking, and reviewing your escape rooms and other immersive social outings.

    Morty News:

    • Morty now features haunt attractions
    • Morty for Android is here

    Special Badge for REPOD listeners:

    You can learn more at morty.app/REPOD to sign up and get a special badge for our listeners (works for existing users also).

    Buzzshot

    Buzzshot is Escape Room Software, Powering Business Growth, Player Marketing, and improving the Customer Experience. They offer an assortment of pre and post game features including robust waiver management, branded team photos, and streamlined review management for Yelp, TripAdvisor, Google Reviews, and Morty. Buzzshot now has integration with the other REPOD sponsors: Morty and COGS.

    Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:

    REPOD listeners get an extended 21-day free trial plus 20% off your first 3 months, with no set-up fees or hidden charges. Visit buzzshot.com/repod to learn more about this exclusive offer.

    COGS

    COGS by Clockwork Dog is an easy to use software/ hardware platform for running interactive events, including escape rooms, and other immersive experiences. They have plug & play hardware that seamlessly integrates with their software so you can create a show with lighting and sound cues without having to write a single line of code. Map all kinds of inputs to outputs by building up simple logic steps which determine what you want to happen and when.

    Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:

    REPOD listeners can get the COGS Starter Set for only $130 + free shipping to the USA. This bundle is usually valued at $257. You can learn more and purchase your Starter Set at cogs.show. Use code REPOD at checkout.

    RECON - The Reality Escape Convention

    Our convention, RECON, will be in Universal City, California on August 18th & 19th, 2024.

    RECON offers a curated collection of talks and experiences exploring the business and art of escape room and immersive game creation. All are welcome at this event that is crafted around professionals and aspiring professionals.

    Tickets are on sale now at RealityEscapeCon.com

    Special Offer:

    If you buy your ticket by May 1, you’ll get priority session selection for Imagi-Ne’er-Do-Wells and The 49 Boxes.

    Production Credits

    Hosted by David Spira & Peih-Gee Law

    Produced by Theresa Piazza

    Supported by Lisa Spira, Richard Burns, and Tommy Honton

    Edited by Steve Ewing of Stand Inside Media

    Music by Ryan Elder

    Logo by Janine Pracht


    S7E7 Bonus After-Show Teaser: Michael Borys Apr 24, 2024
    Show notes

    We're sharing a little bit of our Patreon exclusive Bonus show from S7E7 with Michael Borys, creators of The 49 Boxes.

    In this clip. Michael tells us the story behind one of his most prized possessions and interactive sculptural Van Gogh head.

    Listen to the rest of the Bonus Show now by becoming a patron today at patreon.com/roomescapeartist and to gain to access our library of over 60 bonus after shows.

    Thank you for supporting our work.


    REPOD S7E7 - Game Design is Magic: Michael Borys of The 49 Boxes Apr 22, 2024
    Show notes "There's absolutely no difference between Magic and the Magical."

    We shuffle slowly into the basement, careful not to bump into anything. This is harder than seems, because everywhere we turn, there are boxes and objects. Collections of items are spotlit, dust motes dancing in the air. Curious, we split up and start exploring. In one hidden nook, there’s a display of antique brass locks, and in another, a strange set of wine bottles. Over in the corner, there is a sculpture of a Van Gogh head, which hides pontifications on commercialized art on the back.

    This basement belongs to Michael Borys, and was our first introduction to the man behind The 49 Boxes. Michael is not only an innovative game designer with a storied career, he is also a magician and a writer. His magical experience, The 49 Boxes, blurs the lines between puzzle hunt, magic show, and interactive theater. We also explore Michael’s other work, including The Arkham Files, an exciting new type of tabletop game that makes use of AR technology.

    Michael cares deeply about creating a magical experience for players. Whether it’s through magic shows, tabletop games, or his experience The 49 Boxes, Michael’s games aim to transport the player and make them the hero. We are thrilled to bring his unique experience to RECON Los Angeles.

    Timestamps & Full Show Notes

    Episode Sponsors

    Thank you to our sponsors Morty, Buzzshot, COGS by Clockwork Dog, & RECON, the Reality Escape Convention:

    Morty

    Morty is a free app for discovering, planning, tracking, and reviewing your escape rooms and other immersive social outings.

    Morty News:

    • Morty now features haunt attractions
    • Morty for Android is here

    Special Badge for REPOD listeners:

    You can learn more at morty.app/REPOD to sign up and get a special badge for our listeners (works for existing users also).

    Buzzshot

    Buzzshot is Escape Room Software, Powering Business Growth, Player Marketing, and improving the Customer Experience. They offer an assortment of pre and post game features including robust waiver management, branded team photos, and streamlined review management for Yelp, TripAdvisor, Google Reviews, and Morty. Buzzshot now has integration with the other REPOD sponsors: Morty and COGS.

    Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:

    REPOD listeners get an extended 21-day free trial plus 20% off your first 3 months, with no set-up fees or hidden charges. Visit buzzshot.com/repod to learn more about this exclusive offer.

    COGS

    COGS by Clockwork Dog is an easy to use software/ hardware platform for running interactive events, including escape rooms, and other immersive experiences. They have plug & play hardware that seamlessly integrates with their software so you can create a show with lighting and sound cues without having to write a single line of code. Map all kinds of inputs to outputs by building up simple logic steps which determine what you want to happen and when.

    Special Offer for REPOD Listeners:

    REPOD listeners can get the COGS Starter Set for only $130 + free shipping to the USA. This bundle is usually valued at $257. You can learn more and purchase your Starter Set at cogs.show. Use code REPOD at checkout.

    RECON - The Reality Escape Convention

    Our convention, RECON, will be in Universal City, California on August 18th & 19th, 2024.

    RECON offers a curated collection of talks and experiences exploring the business and art of escape room and immersive game creation. All are welcome at this event that is crafted around professionals and aspiring professionals.

    Tickets are on sale now at RealityEscapeCon.com

    Special Offer:

    If you buy your ticket by May 1, you’ll get priority session selection for Imagi-Ne’er-Do-Wells and The 49 Boxes.

    Production Credits

    Hosted by David Spira & Peih-Gee Law

    Produced by Theresa Piazza

    Supported by Lisa Spira, Richard Burns, and Tommy Honton

    Edited by Steve Ewing of Stand Inside Media

    Music by Ryan Elder

    Logo by Janine Pracht


    S7E6 Bonus After-Show Teaser: Confusion Escapes Apr 17, 2024
    Show notes

    We're sharing a little bit of our Patreon exclusive Bonus show from S7E6 with Al and Stacy Delcome, creators of Confusion Escapes in San Bernardino, California.

    In this clip, Peih-Gee talks about playing her first jubensha, the larp-like murder mystery experience popularized in China.

    Content Warning: Please be warned that this segment does discuss sexual assault in the context of the game. This is a common and controversial trope in jubensha games.

    Listen to the rest of the Bonus Show now by becoming a patron today at patreon.com/roomescapeartist and to gain to access our library of over 60 bonus after shows.

    Thank you for supporting our work.


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