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    Pure Nonfiction: Inside Documentary Film

    Hear the world’s top storytellers talk all things documentary film. Host Thom Powers is as well-connected as it gets in this world as a documentary curator for TIFF and other renowned festivals. He wrote the book “Mondo Documentary” that is “required reading for fans of nonfiction cinema,” says Judd Apatow. Our podcast guests range from documentary legends to emerging talent. Follow us on Instagram and Substack at @purenonfiction.

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    144: Ramin Bahrani on “2nd Chance” at Sundance Jan 23, 2022
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    Filmmaker Ramin Bahrani is best known for his fiction films such as "99 Homes" and "The White Tiger" that was Oscar-nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay. Now he directs his first feature documentary "2nd Chance," a complex profile of Richard Davis who invented a lightweight bullet proof vest. Davis called his company 2nd Chance and his products helped save hundreds of lives. Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers interviews Bahrani about the moral complexities of Davis' legacy that are explored in the film.

    Pure Nonfiction’s coverage during the Sundance Film Festival is sponsored by National Geographic Documentary Films.


    143: Isabel Castro on “Mija” at Sundance Jan 21, 2022
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    “Mija,” premiering in the Sundance NEXT section, profiles Doris Muñoz, a young talent manager in the music business as she works with Latinx superstar Cuco and the newcomer Jacks Haupt. Filmmaker Isabel Castro immerses us in Doris’ world, drawing upon eclectic influences. Isabel's early idea of the film was “Almost Famous, but make it Chicano.” Then she had to adapt as the story takes unpredictable twists and turns. Our Pure Nonfiction interview is led by guest host Samah Ali, founder of Sisterhood Media and a festival programmer at DOC NYC and Hot Docs.

    Pure Nonfiction’s coverage during the Sundance Film Festival is sponsored by National Geographic Documentary Films.


    142: Sara Dosa on “Fire of Love” at Sundance Jan 19, 2022
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    "Fire of Love" tells the story of volcanologists Katia and Maurice Krafft who spent over two decades filming and studying volcanoes before they died getting too close to one. The documentary makes its world premiere on the opening night of the Sundance Film Festival: January 20, 2022. Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers interviews filmmaker Sara Dosa on how she crafted the story of the Kraffts into an essayistic documentary with themes of love and risk, narrated by Miranda July.
    Pure Nonfiction’s coverage during the Sundance Film Festival is sponsored by National Geographic Documentary Films.


    141: Richard Rowley on “American Insurrection” Jan 06, 2022
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    The PBS Frontline documentary “American Insurrection” investigates the violent mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers interviews the director Rick Rowley who collaborated on the project with correspondent A.C. Thompson of ProPublica and the Berkley Center for Investigative Journalism. Rowley discusses what he’s learned from studying vigilante groups such as the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys and reflects on the historic link between America’s foreign wars and the rise of homegrown militias.

    On Twitter: @frontlinepbs @ProPublica @ucbsoj @thompowers @PureNonfiction


    140: Ry Russo-Young on her “Nuclear Family” Dec 09, 2021
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    In the three-part series Nuclear Family, filmmaker Ry Russo-Young explores her own family history. She was born in 1981 and grew up with two lesbian moms Russo and Robin and an older sister in Manhattan at at time when gay parenting was still rare. Her sperm donor Tom Steel was a gay lawyer in San Francisco who wound up suing Ry’s moms for paternity rights. From a young age, Ry was active in trying to tell her family’s story and defend her mothers against discrimination in the courts and in the media. Ry appeared in Meema Spadola’s PBS documentary Our House (2000) about kids of gay and lesbian parents; and was profiled in the New York Times magazine in 2004. But there were always murky areas to the lawsuit that Ry couldn’t fully confront until now.

    Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers helped to produce "Our House” and finally gets a chance to re-open questions with Ry that remained perplexing for over 20 years.


    139: Sonya Childress & Jesse Wente on Making Change Sep 02, 2021
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    Sonya Childress and Jesse Wente are among the most eloquent voices calling for change in the North American documentary industry. In June 2020, Childress published A Reckoning: The Documentary Film Industry Must Chart a New Path Forward that brought a critique over questions of authorship, accountability and ownership. She draws upon her experience working with Active Voice, Firelight Media and the Perspective Fund.

    Wente is an Anishinaabe writer and executive director of the Indigenous Screen Office (ISO). That organization published the On-Screen Protocols and Pathways guide to working with First Nations, Métis and Inuit Communities. He’s the author of the new book Unreconciled: Family, Truth and Indigenous Resistance.

    Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers interviewed Childress and Wente in September 2020 by teleconference for a panel titled Creating a Better Documentary Industry at the TIFF Industry Conference. This podcast excerpts the heart of the conversation as they confront questions of capitalism, journalistic objectivity and how to create meaningful change.

    This year's TIFF Industry Conference will take place Sept 9-14 including discussions on Documentary History, Telling Family Stories and more. You can register for a Digital Talks pass to watch anywhere in the world.


    138: Nanfu Wang on “In the Same Breath” Aug 26, 2021
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    In the Same Breath is a strikingly original analysis of the early days of the pandemic as it unfolded in China and the United States. Filmmaker Nanfu Wang draws upon multiple sources of footage to study how governments shaped the messaging about coronavirus and how they missed opportunities to limit the virus. Her collaborators include her husband Michael Shade as an editor and Jialing Zhang as one of the producers. Nanfu and Jialing previously appeared on episode #115 to discuss their film One Child Nation about China’s extreme efforts to control population growth. Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers interviews Nanfu about the logistical and emotional challenges of navigating China’s censorship. She discusses the lessons she learned making her first film Hooligan Sparrow, about a Chinese dissident, that was her first experience with government pressure.


    137: Sonia Kennebeck on “Enemies of the State” Aug 11, 2021
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    “Enemies of the State” looks at the strange case of Matt DeHart, a member of the hacktivist group Anonymous who was prosecuted for child pornography. He claimed the charges were a cover up to seize his computers containing government secrets. Director Sonia Kennebeck and producer Ines Hoffman Kanna spent years trying to untangle the knotty mysteries of his case. Their previous film National Bird (2016) won the Ridenhour Documentary Film Prize for its profile of three people who worked on the U.S. military’s drone program and became whistle blowers. One of the film’s subjects Daniel Hale was recently convicted under the Espionage Act. Sonia discusses his case recently covered in The Washington Post. Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers interviews Sonia about both films.

    Enemies of the State is now available on VOD from IFC Films.

    Warning: this episode reveals details from “Enemies of the State” that might be considered spoilers if you haven't seen the film.

    On Twitter: @soniakennebeck @c_odebreaker @thompowers @PureNonfiction


    136: Fran Lebowitz on “Pretend It’s a City” Jun 16, 2021
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    Fran Lebowitz is one of New York’s great conversationalists. Martin Scorsese's new Netflix series “Pretend It’s a City” lets her talk at length about her five decades of living in New York City. Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers interviews Lebowitz about working with Scorsese and her long friendship with Toni Morrison to whom the series is dedicated. Lebowitz also shares her opinions on the New York mayoral election and discusses her mother Ruth.
    This interview was recorded on May 7, 2020 for DOC NYC Spring Showcase.


    135: In Praise of Lewis Erskine @editorsavant Jun 09, 2021
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    Documentary editor Lewis Erskine died last week at age 64. He was cherished by colleagues as a storyteller and a teacher. His Twitter handle was @editorsavant and his credits include Miles Davis: Birth of the Cool, Freedom Riders and Jackie Robinson. In the days after his death, Pure Nonfiction host Thom Powers spoke to three of Lewis' colleagues. Filmmaker Stanley Nelson describes first meeting Lewis when they worked for WNET public television and how they collaborated for over two decades starting with The Black Press: Soldiers Without Swords. Sabrina Schmidt Gordon, who was Lewis’ assistant editor on The Black Press, celebrates his legacy as a mentor. Shola Lynch describes how she met Lewis working together on Ken Burns’ Jazz series, then later turned to him for help on her films Chisholm 72: Unbought and Unbossed and Free Angela and All Political Prisoners.


    Further links referenced in the conversation:

    Black Documentary Collective

    The Creative Power of BIPOC Editors panel

    BIPOC Editors Database

    Master Class with Lewis Erskine and City College (2019)

    Lewis Erskine at Sundance 2017 “Examine Your Privilege"


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