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#17 - Jamarl Thomas Aug 15, 2021

I am joined by Jamarl Thomas. Jamarl is a former software engineer who created a popular YouTube channel called The Progressive Soapbox where he discusses the news, politics, and sometimes UFOs. He also hosts a radio program called Fault Lines where he discusses similar topics.

On this episode, Jamarl and I have a brief, but important dialogue about UFOs. We get into whether or not there is a there there to this topic, the difficulty people have accepting this as a part of their reality, our lack of agency in all this, plus so much more.

Relevant Links:

The Progressive Soapbox

Fault Lines

#16 - Andra Dare Jul 23, 2021

This week Zac is joined by fellow Washingtonian, musician, and all around bad-ass, Andra Dare. They discuss everything from why Andra got interested in the UAP/UFO topic, to Andra flipping the script and interviewing Zac about his personal experiences. They also discuss creativity, psychic phenomenon, the debate over extraterrestrials VS ultraterrestrials, how people project their own experiences on UFOlogy, and much more.

Relevant Links:

Listen to Andra Dare on Soundcloud

#15 - Ross Coulthart Jul 07, 2021

I am joined by Ross Coulthart, investigative journalist and author of In Plain Sight: An Investigation Into UFOs and Impossible Science.

We discuss why the UFO/UAP story is one that wanted to be told, the stigma that prevents more journalists from looking, the 1966 Westall UFO incident, The Wilson Memo, and SO much more.

Ross Coulthart Bio:

Ross Coulthart is an award-winning investigative journalist and writer. Previously an investigative reporter on news and current affairs program 60 Minutes on Channel Nine and chief investigations reporter for the Sunday Night news program, Coulthart has won five prestigious Walkley journalism awards, including the most coveted top award for Australian journalism, the Gold Walkley. His broadcast television investigative journalism has also won the top broadcast award, a Logie.

Ross is the co-author of bestselling books Dead Man Running and Above the Law, both exposes of organised crime in Australian and international outlaw motorcycle gangs, as well as Charles Bean, Lost Diggers, Lost Tommys and Secrecy for Sale: Inside the Global Offshore Money Maze.

Relevant Links:

Westall UFO - Wikipedia

WikiLeaks - The Podesta Emails

Tom DeLonge’s Origin Story For To The Stars Academy Describes A Government UFO Info Operation

The Wilson/Davis Documents – My Twenty-Three Year Journey – Part 1 » Joe Murgia

In Plain Sight– HarperCollins

7NEWS Spotlight special The UFO Phenomenon reveals the truth about UFOs | Spotlight

#14 - Stephen Bassett Jun 19, 2021

This week I am joined by the founder of Paradigm Research Group, Stephen Bassett. We discuss the problem with skeptics, conviction VS belief, the truth embargo, why Stephen feels we are finally on the cusp of true Disclosure, and much more.

His Bio:

“Stephen Bassett is the executive director of Paradigm Research Group founded in 1996 to end a government imposed embargo on the truth behind the so called “UAP” phenomenon. Stephen has spoken to audiences around the world about the implications of formal “Disclosure” by world governments of an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race.He has given over 1200 radio and television interviews, and PRG’s advocacy work has been extensively covered by national and international media. In 2013 PRG produced a “Citizen Hearing on Disclosure” at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. On November 5, 2014 PRG launched a Congressional Hearing/Political Initiative seeking the first hearings on Capitol Hill since 1968 regarding the extraterrestrial presence issue and working to see that issue included in the ongoing presidential campaign.”

Relevant Links:

Paradigm Research Group

Citizen Hearing on Disclosure - Paradigm Research Group

In Memoriam - Paradigm Research Group

Steve Bassett: Paradigm Research Group Timeline

WikiLeaks - The Podesta Emails

#13 - Tom Rogan & Tim McMillan Apr 01, 2021

I talk to Tom Rogan and Lt. Tim McMillan about why they are 99% certain that some UAP are not man made.

#12 - Luis Elizondo Feb 27, 2021

Luis Elizondo is the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. I imagine a lot of people listening to this already know about Lue, but for those who don’t: all you need to know is that he is a highly credentialed former counterintelligence officer for the Department of Defense who later went on to study UFOs or UAPs for the Pentagon. Yes, he really did that.

I had hundreds of questions for Lue that I had to condense down quite a bit out of respect for his time, but I think we covered a lot of ground. We get into some of my concerns about conspiracy culture, to what extent AATIP investigated the famous Nimitz 2004 incident, UFOs & Nukes, baiting UFOs, his feelings on former AFOSI agent Richard Doty, and so much more.

Relevant Links:

Nathan Hendrickson Memorial — GoFundMe

#11 - David Marler Feb 06, 2021

This episode I am joined by UFO researcher and archivist David Marler. He is the author of Triangle UFOs: An Estimate of the Situation. He has lectured at conferences, and appeared on Season 2 of History’s Unidentified.

We discuss what drew Marler into this topic, why he chooses to focus on Triangular UFOs, the value of skepticism, the problem of time when it comes to sifting through so many files, and much more.

David also shares some big news about his recent custodianship of thousands of CUFOS files going back to 1947 (including the personal files of J. Allen Hynek!), and how he and his associates plan to eventually make those files available to other researchers.

Relevant Links:

David Marler - Official Website

Triangular UFOs: An Estimate of the Situation

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#10 - Clay Tweel Feb 01, 2021

On this episode I speak with documentary filmmaker, Clay Tweel We discuss his most recent work directing the new HBO Max miniseries Heaven’s Gate: Cult of Cults.

We get into what drew him to the story of Heaven’s Gate, how his presentation of this story provides a window into the minds of those who found themselves wrapped up in Marshall Applewhite and Bonny Lu Nettles teachings, the importance of understanding why these 39 people were so willing to take their lives in 1997, parallels between cult behavior and Trumpism, and much more.

Relevant Links:

Heaven’s Gate: The Cult of Cult | Sign up & Start Streaming | HBO Max

Heaven’s Gate on Apple Podcasts

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#9 - Mick West Jan 14, 2021

This week I am joined by Mick West. Mick is a former video game programmer who worked on titles like Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater and Apocalypse for the Playstation. Now, he’s a debunker of conspiracies. He’s also the writer of Escaping The Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect.

We discuss what motivates him to debunk conspiracies, how we should think about the people who believe in them, and we explore the culpability of Donald Trump in current events playing out. We also touch on free will, and how having faith — and then losing it — can inoculate you from succumbing to cults and conspiracies.

Relevant Notes:

Mick West - Wikipedia

Mick West – Dedicated to the art of Polite Investigation and Communication

Amazon.com: Escaping the Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Conspiracy Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect eBook: West, Mick : Kindle Store

The Emin Society / Template Network - Wikipedia

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#8 - Chris Cogswell Jan 01, 2021

This week I am joined by Chris Cogswell.

Chris is the host of The Mad Scientist Podcast. He has a PhD in Chemical Engineering with a focus on nanomaterials. He is also the newly appointed Chair of the Skyhub Science Advisory Board.

In this conversation we get into what got Chris interested in scientifically taboo subjects. We talk about the issues with the Bob Lazar case, the problems inherent in UFOlogical studies. We discuss his work with Sky Hub, an open source startup with a science-based approach to studying unidentified aerial phenomenon. And finally, we debate a little bit on the pros and cons of Government Disclosure on the UFO topic.

Relevant Links:

The Mad Scientist Podcast

Sky Hub

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#7 - James Fox Dec 23, 2020

This week I am honored to be joined by the director of The Phenomenon: James Fox.

We discuss his film, his meetings with former senate majority leader Harry Reid, astronauts Edgar Mitchel and Gordon Cooper, the Ruwa Aerial school UFO landing case, some hints at a new mini-series, and so much more.

Relevant Links:

The Phenomenon Official Website

The Phenomenon on iTunes

Watch The Phenomenon Online | Vimeo On Demand on Vimeo

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#6 - Brandon Fugal Dec 17, 2020

This week I am joined by real-estate mogul Brandon Fugal. Brandon is the last person you’d expect to have ties to the paranormal or the strange. But this year he went public as the owner of the world’s most famous paranormal hotspot: Skinwalker Ranch. He has a show on the History Channel called The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, which is about to enter its second season.

We discuss what motivates him to invest his money and time into esoteric subjects and frontier science, how he came to acquire Skinwalker from billionaire and aerospace pioneer Robert Bigelow, Brandon’s own UFO sighting on the ranch, and much more.

As a side note, we make reference to two Robert Bigelow run and pentagon sponsored programs that studied Skinwalker Ranch. Those are NIDS or the National Institute for Discovery Science. And BAASS or Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies. These are two notable government-sponsored programs that looked into the nature of what was happening at Skinwalker Ranch.

Relevant Links:

The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch Full Episodes, Video & More | HISTORY

Why a millionaire real-estate mogul bought Skinwalker Ranch - Utah Business

Skinwalker Ranch - Wikipedia

National Institute for Discovery Science - Wikipedia

Pentagon’s Secret UFO Program Investigated Poltergeist Connection to Alien Mystery

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#5 - Lt. Tim McMillan Dec 11, 2020

This week I am joined by Lt. Tim McMillan. Tim is a retired police Lieutenant with a background in cognitive psychology. He has written for Vice, Popular Mechanics, and now for his own publication ‘The Debrief’ on defense related issues, disruptive technology, and more. He is particularly known for his work in uncovering a wealth of information on our government’s interest in UAPs or Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.

Tim and I discuss a wide array of topics starting with his background in cognitive psychology. We get into why he decided to become a police officer, what drove him to speak out on the issue of systemic racism in policing, and why he ultimately left that profession. We talk about his UFO sighting, what eventually led him to become an investigative journalist, and what keeps him on the UFO beat. We also discuss consciousness, human perception, why the UFO topic angers me at times, and we get into a really deep discussion about whether or not our government is actively involved in a disinformation campaign regarding UFOs, or if there is really something to all of this.

I can’t recommend enough that you read Tim’s pieces from The Debrief that can be found in the “necessary reading” section of the episode show notes before tackling this episode. If you’re unfamiliar with the news Tim has recently broken, you’re liable to get lost.

Necessary reading:

‘Fast Movers’ and Transmedium Vehicles - The Pentagon’s Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force - The Debrief

Leaked Photo Surfaces of Purported Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - The Debrief

Helpful links:

Are UFOs Real? - Government’s UFO Program - Government Secrets

The “Leaked’’ UFO Photo. The WHO, WHAT and POSSIBLY the WHY. | The Black Vault Originals

Lt.Tim McMilan (Ret.) | Investigative Journalist and Researcher

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#4 - John E.L. Tenney Dec 04, 2020

My guest this week is John E.L Tenney. For more than 30 years, John has been involved in anomalistic, conspiratorial, occult, UFOlogical, and paranormal research. Over the course of this conversation, we discuss everything from what turned John into the proud weirdo that he is today, to his experience as a witness to a Vatican sanctioned exorcism. We go a lot of places: consciousness, UFOs, near-death experiences, nothingness, the magic of coincidences, and much more.

WARNING: This episode goes to some occasionally dark places. There is some discussion of suicide, death, and the possibility of demonic possession. Just a fair warning for anyone who might be sensitive to these topics.

Helpful links:

John E.L. Tenney’s Weird Lectures

Weirdo - Weird Lectures

Dr. Death - Jack Kevorkian - Wikipedia

Art Bell - Wikipedia

War in Heaven by Kyle Griffith

Bob Lazar - Wikipedia

The Kinross Incident of 1953

Devs | Hulu

Malachi Martin - Wikipedia

Space industry CEO is ‘absolutely convinced’ that aliens have visited Earth - The Verge

The Occult Rocket Scientist Who Conjured Spirits with L. Ron Hubbard

Occultist father of rocketry ‘written out’ of Nasa’s history | WIRED UK

Stuff They Don’t Want You To Know: The Ariel School UFO Encounter on Apple Podcasts

Patterson–Gimlin film - Wikipedia

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#3 - Georgia Dow Nov 27, 2020

This week I’m joined by Georgia Dow.

Georgia is probably best known online as a technology podcaster, but her main line of work is actually as a psychotherapist who specializes in treating people who suffer from anxiety and depression. We get particularly deep into the topic of anxiety. She explains what anxiety is, what causes it, and what you can do to treat it when it stops you from being able to live your life. We talk at length about my own recent struggles with anxiety that culminated in really terrifying panic attack that landed me in the hospital. We also touch on the benefits of meditation, the impact COVID has had on her profession and her patients, and much more.

I want to make a note here that even if you don’t suffer from anxiety issues, there is a high probability someone you know might. Hopefully this episode can offer some insight into a disorder that is all too often taboo. I can say from my own experience that it is all too real, and it really is quite fascinating to consider the ways our own minds can seemingly betray us.

Georgia Dow - The Montreal Center for Anxiety & Depression

Waking Up with Sam Harris - Discover your mind. | Waking Up

If you are seeking help with anxiety or depression, you can e-mail Georgia for advice: georgia@westmounttherapy.com

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#2 - Rene Ritchie Nov 18, 2020

This week I sat down to chat with Rene Ritchie. Rene is a writer, YouTuber and podcaster who specializes in covering all things Apple. We discuss Apple’s new M1 chip, the roads it paves for Apple’s future and the tech landscape at large. We also get into some bigger questions about the impact the smartphone has had on humanity, augmented reality, and we ponder whether or not companies like Apple think through the repercussions of technological progress.

Rene Ritchie - YouTube

Rene Ritchie on Apple Podcasts

Apple M1 Chip - Apple

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#1 - Dr. Adam Kehoe Nov 12, 2020

On this inaugural episode of Project Human, Zac has a chat with Dr. Adam Kehoe. Adam is a software developer with a PhD in Library and Information Science. He blogs about UFOs and related defense issues on his website, Strategic Doubt.

We discuss what drew Adam from his full-time career running a software development company to moonlighting as a UFO/UAP researcher.

Strategic Doubt

Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program - The New York Times

Senators want the public to see the government’s UFO reports - POLITICO

Are UFOs Real? - Government’s UFO Program - Government Secrets

Ex Intel Official Says He Was the Source of the Pentagon’s UFO Videos

Intelligence Authorization Bill Merged with National Defense Authorization, Passes Senate

What if Christopher Mellon succeeds?

Blurred Vision: UAP Are Not All One Thing

Mick West - YouTube

Brandon Fugal - The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch Cast | HISTORY

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