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    Postcall Podcast

    We know clinicians are tired. They spend hours and hours each week entering data into EHRs, checking protocol, and hopefully, treating patients. This is about an hour every week where they can come to talk about the things they love, the things that burn them out, and the reason they got into this in the first place. The next time you’re post-call, or even if you just feel like it, spend it with us. The information in this podcast is provided for informational and educational purposes only.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Drinking before a shift and hard patient conversations Oct 11, 2019
    Show notes

    In episode 51, Nick and Emi Okamoto, MD, discuss what makes a good doctor-patient relationship, how EMRs affect burnout, and when, if ever, it's okay to have had a drink before a clinical shift.

    The interview portion of this episode comes from Ilana Yurkiewicz, MD, who hosts a discussion about difficult conversations that residents and fellows need to have with their patients. Dr. Yurkiewicz, along with Emily Bryer, DO, and Ronak Mistry, DO, address those times when a patient asks what you would do if the patient were your family member, and how much patients really want to know about their situation.

    Dr. Yurkiewicz is a hematology/oncology fellow at Stanford (Calif.) University and the host and producer of the Clinical Correlation segment of Blood & Cancer, the official podcast of MDedge Hematology/Oncology. Dr. Bryer and Dr. Mistry are both at the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia.

    You can contact Nick and Emi by emailing podcasts@mdedge.com, and you can follow Nick on Twitter at @nick_andrews__ or Instagram at @medicalmuggle.

    Time stamps:

    • Good doctor-patient relationships (01:40)
    • Drinking before the clinic? (03:20)
    • How EMRs affect ob.gyn. care (07:27)
    • Hard conversations with Dr. Ilana Yurkiewicz (15:20)

    Links:

    • What Makes a Good Doctor-Patient Relationship? (Medscape)
    • The electronic medical record's role in ObGyn burnout and patient care (MDedge/ObGyn)
      • Downloadable PDF
    • Having a beer before a shift (Reddit: r/medicine)
    • Ilana Yurkiewicz, MD
      • Academic Profile
      • Blood & Cancer
      • Hard Questions Column
    • Emily Bryer, DO
    • Ronak Mistry, DO

    For more MDedge Podcasts, go to mdedge.com/podcasts

    Email the show: podcasts@mdedge.com


    Your EMR/EHR: What would you change? Oct 04, 2019
    Show notes

    Nick and Emi Okamoto, MD, talk about the changes you'd like to see to electronic medical records systems as well as some issues with data and reporting in recent dietary studies.

    The interview this week is Luke S. Johnson, MD, a dermatologist with a focus on pediatric dermatology at the University of Utah. Dr. Johnson is the founder and co-host of the brand new Dermasphere podcast.

    You can contact Postcall at podcasts@mdedge.com and you can follow Nick Andrews on Twitter at @nick_andrews__.

    Timestamps:

    • Transplant surgeon gets Hep C-positive heart: 01:51
    • Pediatric milk recommendations: 04:33
    • Red meat data: 07:42
    • What changes would you make to your EMR/EHR?: 11:50
    • Interview with Luke Johnson, MD: 19:00

    Links:

    • Transplant surgeon gets Hep C-positive heart
    • Milk recommendations
      • New Kids' Guidelines: Drink Milk, Water, Avoid Plant-Based 'Milk'
      • New recommendations on what young children should drink
    • Red Meat Recommendations
      • Red Meat OK'd in New Guideline But Critics Call Foul
      • Panel releases guidelines for red meat, processed meat consumption
    • EMR/EHR changes Reddit thread
    • Luke Johnson, MD
    • Dermasphere Podcast Home
    • MDedge IQ Dermatology Quizzes

    Creator of The Nocturnists podcast, IM subspecialty data, and free med school? Sep 27, 2019
    Show notes

    The creator of The Nocturnists podcast, Emily Silverman, MD, talks inspiration, storytelling, time management, and being a doctor. Nick and Emi Okamoto, MD, discuss the latest medical school to make their tuition free, which internal medicine subspecialties women are and aren't choosing, and more.

    Links:

    • Weill Cornell free tuition
    • Women residency/subspecialty choices
    • Video games and your heart
    • Emily Silverman, MD:
      • Twitter (@ESilvermanMD)
      • Website
      • Professional Bio
    • The Nocturnists:
      • Website
      • Upcoming events
      • Episodes

    Contact the show at podcasts@mdedge.com or follow host Nick Andrews on Twitter: @Nick_Andrews__


    Doctors and their screens; plus, your patients can be hacked Sep 19, 2019
    Show notes

    Nick Andrews and Emi Okamoto, MD, break down the screens and devices doctors interact with in and out of the clinic. The interview guest this week is Sarah Mojarad (@Sarah_Mojarad), who is a medical and science educator and lecturer. Ms. Mojarad gives Tweetorials about social media and medicine.

    Time Stamps:

    • Are you still a doc with all this screen time? (01:54)
    • How doctors get their media (06:16)
    • Medical devices getting hacked (12:27)
    • Interview with Sarah Mojarad (19:41)

    Relevant Links:

    • Are patients the next cyberattack targets?
    • If you spend more than 80% of your day staring at a screen, you are no longer a doctor
    • Time-squeezed physicians: Here's how your colleagues obtain key information
    • Sarah Mojarad:
      • Twitter
      • Academic biography
      • Personal website

    You can contact Postcall by emailing us at podcasts@mdedge.com.


    Physician suicide awareness; plus, can Groupon fix healthcare? Sep 13, 2019
    Show notes

    National Suicide Prevention Week interview with Janae Sharp of the Sharp Index, which is a resource for physician suicide awareness, prevention, and research.

    Emi Okamoto, MD, and Nick have a mini journal club about the med student perspective on suicide and burnout and how Groupon can save you and/or your patients money on some medical procedures.

    Time stamps:

    • Journal Club (01:51)
      • Groupon saves money (02:22)
      • Trump administration moves to ban non-tobacco flavored e-cigarettes (08:00)
      • Med student perspective on suicide (09:47)
    • Interview introduction (14:02)
    • Interview with Janae Sharp (17:51)

    Relevant links:

    • Journal club articles
      • Groupon (Medscape)
      • Med student perspective (Medscape)
    • Flavored vape ban
    • Interview:
      • Janae Sharp LinkedIn
      • Janae Sharp Twitter
      • Sharp Index
        • Questionnaire
        • Donate
        • Scholarships

    You can contact Postcall by emailing Nick and/or Emi at podcasts@mdedge.com or finding Nick on Twitter @Nick_Andrews__


    SPECIAL: Physician suicide lecture Sep 11, 2019
    Show notes

    A special lecture for suicide prevention day, week, and month from our sister podcast, the Psychcast.

    Click here for more episodes of the Psychcast.

    Show Notes By Jacqueline Posada, MD

    Introduction

    • Suicide in general population increased by 30% since 1999. The suicide rate was 14 people in every 100,000 up from 10.5 people per 100,000 in 1999.
    • 400 physicians die per year. However, there is not great data collection about profession-specific suicide
    • Suicide is the leading cause of death in male residents and the 2nd leading cause of death in female residents
    • This represents a serious loss of the medical profession as well as the thousands of patients who lose their physician as well

    Risks factors for physician suicide

    Psychological:

    • Physicians tend be contentious, perfectionistic, and compulsive. They are able to cope with delayed gratification, and this may lead to a false sense of ability to cope with all obstacles, without failures.
    • Medicine presents physicians with many obstacles such as the deaths of our patients and human frailty. Human imperfection and physician failures are juxtaposed against these traits listed above

    Historical and genetic risk factors:

    • Past suicide attempt and presence of mood disorder
    • Untreated depression is an especially high risk for physicians as they may leave their mental illness untreated due to stigma
    • As of 2017, 32 of 48 state licensing boards continue to question doctors about their mental health history.
    • There is increased risk of suicide with the presence of the long arm version of the serotonin transporter gene and history of childhood trauma

    Workplace risk factors:

    • Physicians identify electronic medical records (EMR) and increased documentation demands as contributing to burnout and less job satisfaction
    • EMR means that doctors feel like they spend more time with records than face to face with patients. With EMR there is less eye contact and direct connection with patients so it's hard to foster relationships
    • Physicians feel the stress of increased use of technology and connectivity via cell phones and the need to "keep up"

    Change in culture

    • As a profession we are starting to talk about physician suicide; acknowledgment of the issue can lead to change.
    • ACGME and other workplaces are starting to integrate physician wellness into curriculums and culture.

    References:

    • NCHS Data Brief No. 330. 2018 Nov."Suicide mortality in the United States, 1999-2017"
    • Yaghmour, NA et al. Acad Med. 2017 Jul. 92(7):976-83."Causes of death of residents in ACGME-accredited programs 2000 through 2014" Implications for the learning environment"
    • Babbott S et al. J Am Med Inform Assoc. 2014 Feb;21(e1):e100-61. Electronic medical records and physician stress in primary care: Results from the MEMO Study"
    • Gold KJ et al.Gen Hosp Psychiatry. 2013 Jan-Feb;35(1):45-9. "Details on suicide among U.S. physicians: Data from the National Violent Death Reporting System"
    • ACGME Symposium on Physician Well-Being

    A eulogy for a hospital, and everyone poops...microplastics Sep 06, 2019
    Show notes

    Physician mental health policy grades for every state, microplastics in stools all around the globe, and a moving eulogy for a hospital?

    After penning a eulogy for the hospital that agreed to train her as a surgical resident, Lynsey Daniels, MD, (@DanielsLynsey) joins Nick to talk about the closure, the hospital's finals days, and moving forward.

    Nick and Emi Okamoto, MD, talk about microplastics in people's stools all over the world and break down how states measure up with regard to mental health policy for physicians.

    Time Stamps:

    1. Quiz (01:30)
    2. Microplastics in stools (05:55)
    3. States' grades for physician mental health (08:57)
    4. Interview with Lynsey Daniels, MD (17:15)

    Relevant Links:

    • Quiz References:
      • Question 1
      • Question 2
      • Question 3
      • Question 4
      • Question 5
    • Microplastics turning up in human stool
    • Physician-friendly states for mental health: A review of medical boards
    • A medical resident's eulogy for Hahnemann Hospital

    Dr. Danielle Ofri, plus Emi returns Aug 30, 2019
    Show notes

    New York Times contributor Danielle Ofri, MD, PhD, joins the show to talk about writing, the clinic, the system, and the Bellevue Literary Review. Emi Okamoto, MD, is back on the program.

    Time Stamps:

    1. MDedge Quiz (01:18)
    2. Checking in with Emi (08:19)
    3. The WHO and Malaria (13:19)
    4. Interview with Dr. Ofri (19:00)

    Relevant links:

    1. Weekly Quiz The following links lead to the articles that are referenced in the answers to the MDedge MD-IQ weekly quiz.
      1. Question 1
      2. Question 2
      3. Question 3
      4. Question 4
      5. Question 5
    2. The WHO and malaria
    3. Danielle Ofri, MD, PhD
      1. Website
      2. Biography (Wikipedia)
      3. Twitter
      4. TEDMED
      5. Buy her books
      6. New York Times op-ed

    Advice for new med students and Dr. Julie Croley Aug 23, 2019
    Show notes

    MedTwitter stars and clinicians give their best advice for medical students as medical school resumes and @dr.skinandsmiles (Julie Amthor Croley, MD) joins Nick Andrews to talk about doctors on social media, podcasting, long-distance doctor marriages, and more.

    Links:

    • Twitter advice for medical students thread
    • Dr. Julie Amthor Croley
      • Instagram
      • Profile
      • Resident Take Overs
        • On social media in dermatology
        • Being on-call as a derm resident
        • Tips on patient communication
        • Prescribing combined OCs
      • Dr. Croley on MDedge
    • MDedge Podcasts
      • Blood & Cancer
      • Cardiocast
      • Daily Medical News
      • Derm Weekly
      • Psychcast

    You can email the show at podcasts@mdedge.com you can email Nick at nandrews@mdedge.com, and you can follow Nick on Twitter @tribnic

    For more MDedge Podcasts, go to mdedge.com/podcasts


    Masterclass on burnout; more on Hahnemann closure Aug 16, 2019
    Show notes

    Dr. Richard Balon gives a lecture on physician burnout and mandated wellness and Nick Andrews talks to Damian McNamara about the final days of Hahnemann University Hospital in Philadelphia.

    Masterclass guest

    Richard Balon, MD: professor of psychiatry and training director at Wayne State University, Detroit.

    In March, Dr. Balon spoke at the American Academy of Clinical Psychiatrists 2019 annual meeting in Chicago, sponsored by Global Academy for Medical Education. Global Academy and this news organization are owned by the same company.

    Lecture Notes

    By Jacqueline Posada, MD, who is a consultation-liaison psychiatry fellow with the Inova Fairfax Hospital/George Washington University program in Falls Church, Va.

    Physician burnout and effective interventions

    • The scales (for example, the Maslach Burnout Inventory) do not necessarily represent the full extent of burnout:
      • If physicians work 12 hours but find fulfillment in work, they will be tired but not necessarily burned out. However, if physicians work 12 hours a day feeling frustrated by the systemic problems, then burnout can ensue.
    • Common contributors to provider burnout:
      • Excessive workload: Pressures of working with an electronic medical record, extensive time spent on documentation; lack of work satisfaction and job control; lack of respect for the work; and student loan burden.
      • "Moral injury": The emotional burden that occurs when physicians cannot deliver ideal care/treatment to patients, especially when limited by resources (such as insurance or poverty), or other systemic health care issues.
      • Work environment and organizational culture: These factors also contribute to physician burnout.

    Burnout is a problem for health care organizations as a whole

    • Two main ways to address burnout: physician-directed interventions (focused on individuals) and organization-directed interventions.
    • Organization-directed burnout prevention strategies include:
      • Reducing workload; reducing time spent on documentation, such as decreasing time spent in front of EMRs; cultivating effective teamwork; fostering a sense of job control.
    • Organizations prefer individual-focused interventions over systemic changes:
      • Examples include mindfulness teaching, yoga, cognitive-behavioral therapy techniques, education about burnout, and education.
      • Individual-focused interventions are great, but they are not realistic for changing the culture that contributes to burnout.

    Interventions for burnout

    In a systematic review and meta-analysis in JAMA Internal Medicine, Maria Panagioti, PhD, and colleagues found that:

    • Burnout interventions focused on individual physicians have small, significant effect on physician burnout.
    • Organizational-directed approaches result in greater treatment effects, especially when interventions focus on promoting healthy individual/organization relationships.
      • The impact of individual interventions can be improved when supported by organizational interventions.
      • Interventions targeted at more experienced physicians within primary care settings show greater treatment effect than interventions targeted at less experienced physicians within secondary treatment settings.

    Approaches identified by staff can lead to meaningful change, as outlined by in a New England Journal of Medicine article by Melinda Ashton, MD.

    • A Hawaiian health care system queried individuals (physicians and mid-level and nursing staff) to identify which parts of EMR documentation were poorly designed, unnecessary, and could lead to unintended burdens contributing to burnout.
    • This type of survey improves the efficiency of a system and illustrates that the health care organization cares about preventing clinician burnout.

    References

    Panagioti M et al. Controlled interventions to reduce burnout in physicians: A systematic review and meta-analysis. JAMA Intern Med. 2017 Feb 1;777(2):195-205.

    Ashton M. Getting rid of stupid stuff. N Engl J Med. 2018 Nov. 8;379(10):1789-91.


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