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    Podcast – SURF MASTERY

    We interview the best surfers in the world and the people behind them, so surfers can learn ways to improve their own surfing. The podcast is targeted to open-minded surfers who want to improve and progress their surfing as well as enhance their surf longevity & health. Each interview will educate the listener on ways to refine and progress their surfing and/or increase their surf longevity.

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    101 Matt Grainger - Want to Surf Stronger and Longer? Discover the Fitness Secrets With Aug 27, 2024
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    101 Matt Grainger - Want to Surf Stronger and Longer? Discover the Fitness Secrets With Surf Mastery Podcast Download Ever wondered what it takes to paddle back to the boat after cracking your skull open on a reef—and then surf again the next day?In this powerful and raw episode, Matt Grainger recounts the most serious injury of his surfing life and breaks down the mindset, fitness, and breathwork tools that helped him survive, recover, and return to surfing. Whether you’re battling niggling injuries or just want to surf smarter as you age, this episode is packed with life-saving tips and surf longevity gold.Hear Matt's gnarly reef injury story and the step-by-step actions that kept him from infection or worseLearn the mobility and strength training practices that keep him charging Indo barrels at 55Discover overlooked health tips for surfers—from reef cut recovery to sleep and sunlight exposureHit play now to learn how to surf longer, recover faster, and avoid the mistakes that can sideline your progress and health.For more insights and tips from Matt Grainger:Follow Matt Grainger: Instagram - mattgraingersurf & Linkedin - Matt GraingeFollow Michael John Frampton: Instagram - @surfmastery & Website: https://surfmastery.com/Key PointsReef Collision & Injury: Matt recounts a terrifying reef impact at low tide—being catapulted headfirst, fracturing his skull, and stitching out coral fragments before the session ended.First-Aid & Infection Prevention: Detailed reef-cut care tips: scrub with a clean toothbrush, use peroxide/iodine/alcohol wipes, rinse with bottled water, apply powder (EVP), and wear protective footwear.Helmets & Safety Gear: After the incident, Matt adopts a soft-shell surf helmet for heavy, shallow-reef breaks to prevent re-opening cuts and concussion.Surf Fitness & Mobility: At 55, Matt surfs daily and credits a gym regimen of mobility drills, strength training (Olympic rings, squats), breath training (4-sec inhale/6-sec exhale), and sprinting for injury reduction and performance.Age & Mindset: Emphasizes the power of positive self-talk around aging, citing Bruce Lee’s “spelling spells” concept, and shares his belief in staying mentally youthful through passion for surfing.Mind-Body Connection: Michael and Matt discuss placebo-style health benefits from circadian alignment (morning sun exposure), grounding (barefoot in sand/ocean), and limiting blue-light before bed.Surfing as a Puzzle: Every wave presents a unique challenge—from takeoff to turn execution—keeping surfing engaging and motivating across conditions.Wave-Pool Coaching Masterclass: Matt describes running Indo clinics at the Sydney wave pool: expert-mode barrel clinics, AI video analysis (FlowState), mobility drills for tube riding, and apnea (breath-hold) training.Take-Home Tips: Consistent cut-care, helmet use in gnarly reef breaks, small “movement snacks” throughout the day, mobility + strength focus, and maintaining a fun, puzzle-solving mindset.OutlinePodcast IntroductionMichael Frampton welcomes listeners to Surf Mastery Podcast.Episode ethos: education + inspiration for better surfing and life.Guest intro: Matt Grainger—mid-50s, lifelong ripper, surf coach, health & fitness advocate, four-time guest.Brief mention of show extras: free PDFs (top tips & exercises), personal coaching, YouTube video version.Matt’s Reef Collision StorySetting: Macca’s wave, two-swell day, paddle contest with friend Sean.The wipeout: foam-ball pump, wave turns, head-first reef impact at low tide.Immediate aftermath: heavy bleeding, coral fragments, self-rescue to pontoon.First-Aid & Infection PreventionCoral extraction with tweezers and toothbrush scrub under peroxide/alcohol.Two-hour stitching process; breath-training to manage stress.Infection cautionary tale: fellow surfer Kat’s flesh-eating microbe and staph from minor foot cuts.Recommended kit: clean spare toothbrush, iodine/alcohol wipes, EVP powder, protective footwear.Helmet Adoption & Safety GearDescription of soft-shell rugby-style surf helmet (like Tommy Carroll’s).Protocol: wear in gnarly, shallow-reef conditions; continued use at G-Land.Benefits: prevents re-opening cuts, reduces concussion risk.Surf Fitness & Mobility RegimenDaily routine: gym at Surfers’ Gym—mobility drills, Olympic rings pull-ups, split squats.Breath training: Resident breathing technique (4-sec inhale, 6-sec exhale).Strength focus: leg-dominant work, rotator-cuff prehab, single-leg balance (eyes closed), pendulum jumps.Nutrition & recovery: two meals/day, bone broth, black coffee + coconut oil, ice baths + sauna.Age, Mindset & MotivationPositive self-talk: avoiding “I’m old” narrative; Bruce Lee quote on words as spells.Harvard placebo study on environment and physiological improvement.Surfing as the ultimate motivator for healthy choices: diet, sleep, training.Mind-Body Connection & Health HacksMorning sun exposure for circadian alignment; limiting blue-light pre-sleep.Grounding via barefoot time in sand/ocean; negative-ion benefits.Infrared and light-health emerging trends; balancing time and resources.Surfing as a PuzzleEvery wave’s variables: drop style, speed generation, foot placement.Board evolution: modern shapes enabling more accessible performance.Interview with son Mason on board tech improvements driving performance.Wave-Pool Coaching MasterclassWeekly clinics at Sydney wave pool: 5’3″ Bobby quads, 20+ waves in an hour.Indo masterclass: video breakdown of tube riding, foot placement drills, mobility patterns.AI FlowState analysis: personalized feedback on technique.Apnea training session in heated pool; reef-cut & first-aid workshop by Dr. Shaz.Closing & Calls-to-ActionMichael’s school-pickup notice, thanks to Matt.Subscribe, rate & review on Spotify/Apple Podcasts; watch on YouTube.Visit surfmastery.com for blog tips, PDFs, and online coaching.Sign-off: “Until next time, keep surfing.”TranscriptionMatt Grainger I have a nice snap in my head that I took off, made the drop, I was on the foam ball and as I was pumping on the foam ball, the wave turned the corner. So I just got catapulted on the foam ball, thrown in and out head first. And as soon as my head landed, the lip hit the back of my neck and just drove me straight into the reef like instantly. It was only like two foot deep, it was low tide and I just, it was just like bang. And I was like oh, oh no. I got a bit on here. I had like 25 stitches here, five stitches here and I just went, I knew the session was over and I just paddled back. Getting myself back. I almost forgot this anyway, so I went back and got on the pontoon and just started pouring bottled water over my head. I'd cracked, I'd actually like fractured my skull but it was actually bits of coral coming out of my head. And then pulling bits of coral out with the tweezers and then got toothbrushed for an hour and just was scrubbing it. What, scrubbing it all with peroxide or iodine or something? Yeah, just with light alcohol. Oh yeah.Michael Frampton Welcome back or welcome to the Surf Mastery Podcast. I'm your host, Michael Frampton. And the ethos of this show is education and inspiration for better surfing and a better surfing life. And Matt Grainger, today’s guest, not only was a huge part of the inspiration for the birth of this show, but he epitomizes that ethos as well. He is in his mid-50s now and he's still out there surfing a ton and stays fit and healthy for surfing and also teaches others to be better surfers and better people through better surfing mindset, health and fitness, etc. Matt is just a pure inspiration in the surfing world and just an absolute frother and a rips. He rips. He's an incredible surfer and stoked to get him back on the show. And like I said, he first appeared back in episode number one. This will be his fourth appearance. He also appeared in episode 30 and episode 55 as well. And without further ado, I shall fade in my conversation, my fourth conversation on this podcast with Matt Grainger from Manly Surf School.Matt Grainger So how are you? Great, mate. Yeah. Just did a trip to Indo, which is nice.Michael Frampton Yeah. The head looks like it's all healed up. The head's good. Look at that. I'm a good healer.Matt Grainger I can tell. Good job. Yeah. It's an improvement. Yeah, she gave me a facelift while she did it.Michael Frampton Oh, sweet.Matt Grainger Is that your worst injury out there? Yeah, definitely. I've never hit my head ever in any reef in Indo or anywhere. I've obviously had bullets in the head. Some good cuts in the eyes, always the right eye. Must be the way I turn my head. Just haven't had time to put the hands up. Funny, you learn the surf way, tell people to put your hands up. Done it successfully a few times, but sometimes it's got through. A lot of fins in the back of the head. But yeah, never hitting the head on the bottom of the reef. I had the reef crack under my head with nailing. As I got smashed, just instant, like, just heard this, and I just heard the reef just snap in my head, just heard this crack. And I was like, oh. Like, you know when you say stuff, oh, that's not good. And then I popped up. I popped up, then another wave hit that, and there was bursts of blood vessel in the top of my head. So there was heaps of blood. So I couldn't see out of my left eye. And I felt that I hit my nose as well. I said to one of the Indo guys, Wayway, who is one of the managers of Macca's Resort, I said, have I still got my left eye and my nose? And he goes, yep. And I said, oh, we're good to go then.Michael Frampton How did it happen? Was it just a freak random thing, or was it a lapse in concentration, or what?Matt Grainger Yeah, it was a bit of the ego took over. Every day was the best day ever. We had the first swell in June. And this one day, oh, just got bigger and bigger, and it had a lot of south in it. There were two swells. It was like a south swell and a bit of southwest as well. So you could get a chip in. You could chip in from behind on the tower, and you could backdoor where you'd usually take off, so you'd get more barrel time. And I was riding this Magic 6'0 CI Pro 1 that I've had for about a year. Felt unreal under the feet. I'd been riding it all day straight. And then this guy, Sean, came out from South Africa. He rocked up on a boat. Him and I started paddling up the reef and just trading wave after wave and making them. So we’re just making these unbelievable tubes, and no one came up there because, you know, it was pretty gnarly. So if you fell, it was like two foot deep, and it was like an eight foot swell. So when Macca's, probably eight to ten, you probably saw footage of Nathan Florence. I don't know if you saw some of the footage of him in HTs. It was like ten to twelve foot HTs that day, whereas Macca's doesn't get bigger. It just gets thicker. So it's probably six to eight foot, but really thick, like a Chopes kind of wave. You get this drop. You can make this really nice drop and then come in with speed. And just if you made it, you're fine. But if you didn't make it, that's what happened. So after five hours, I actually wasn't even tired. It was after like five hours, I was just getting cocky, and I probably should have gone in. It was more like one more, one more. And Sean and I were trying to outdo each other, and he actually snapped his board on his last wave, and I snapped my head. But I took off, made the drop, was on the foam ball. As I was pumping on the foam ball, the wave turned a corner, so kind of that southwest angle of the wave. So it turned a massive corner. So I just got catapulted on the foam ball, and I got thrown in out head first. And as soon as my head landed, the lip hit the back of my neck and just drove me straight into the reef like instantly. It was only like two foot deep. It was low tide, and I just, it was just like bang. I was like, oh, oh, no. I got a bit on here. And then I went into warrior mode. I went into warrior mode, you know, where I'd said, ask the Wayway if my eyes were okay. I actually got a cut there as well, so I got a cut. I got cuts either side of the nose. Down here on the bottom of the nose as well, on this eye, and obviously here, I had like 25 stitches here, five stitches here, and I just went, oh, I knew the session was over, and I just paddled back. Everyone was like, oh, get a boat. Everyone's screaming, get a boat, get a boat, Matt's hurt. I'm like, I'm good, I'm good. Get myself back on my own, you know. One guy goes, yeah, good on ya. This guy, Hans from America, he goes, good on ya, tough guy. I'm like, nah, I've got this, I've got this. Anyway, so I went back and got on the pontoon and just started pouring bottled water over my head, and then I got the boat back to Macca's and then looked for showers, and she was already stitching up my brother. He had a little cut on his back. And then someone said, oh, Matt's looking for you, he cut his head, and she thought, if he's asking for something, he's in a bad way. So then she saw my head, and she thought I'd actually fractured my skull, but it was actually bits of coral coming out of my head. Far out. So she pulled that, pulled the bits of coral out. She got some local, which was good, and just put it in the cuts, and then pulling bits of coral out with tweezers and then got a toothbrush for an hour and just was scrubbing it. That was the gnarly part.Michael Frampton Scrubbing it all with peroxide or iodine or something?Matt Grainger Yeah, just with light alcohol. Just so you don't kill the flesh too much. Not too gnarly, but just getting it all out, and I reckon that saved me for sure. Then obviously it took about two hours to stitch up, which was gnarly. And I was just doing a lot of breath training, like coaching, wrapping it, training, and I saw resident breathing, which was like a four-second inhale, six-second exhale. I was just going into that, and that helped big time. That was like a three-hour ordeal, which felt like a long time, but it wasn't as long as I thought. And then she put a face mask over it, which I couldn't see. And then, yeah, the rest is history. And then I surfed the next day.Michael Frampton Our kid did not. Yeah, I know.Matt Grainger He taped it up. I just said, I'll get one wave. I'll get one wave, and I did some tests, like I was jumping on one leg, see if I had concussion. And then, oh, no, not well in the head anyway. And then I wore a helmet, of course. And then I didn't surf for, after that day, I didn't surf for three and a half days. And then after that, I was good to go. I was having four tablets of antibiotics every day, washing it with fresh water. She was breaking up antibiotics and putting it inside the cut as well. Yeah. And she left a little bit of one of the gnarly cuts in it too tight, so bits of coral would still come out if it did. Just a little bit's popping out. Far out. So, yeah, so I'm wearing a helmet from now on when it's gnarly like that. So I went to G-Land after that. We had another swell at Macca's and surfed Greenbush. So I had one of those soft-shell helmets that Tommy Carroll wears. Yeah. By DMC. It's like a rugby helmet. Yeah, yeah. But they're nice and light. Yeah, so I wore that. That felt good. And then I wore it in G-Land. Every surf, even, because I didn't want to get hit and break the cuts open anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got the stitches out after six days. Really, it healed well. Yeah. Dope. Wow. But from now on, if it's gnarly and low tide and heavy, I'll be wearing a helmet.Michael Frampton Yeah, fair enough.Matt Grainger But I like getting a co…

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    100 Devon Howard-Understanding the Connection Between Form and Style in Surfing Aug 09, 2024
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    100 The Hidden Techniques to Perfect Your Surfing Style with Devon Howard Surf Mastery Podcast Download Is your surfing stylish—or just frantic? Discover why true style isn’t about hand placement or pose, but something far deeper that starts with your form.In this milestone 100th episode, surf legend Devon Howard breaks down one of surfing’s most misunderstood concepts—style. Drawing parallels to art, gymnastics, and even ancient sculpture, Devon explains how timeless, functional form—not forced flair—is the path to smoother, more satisfying surfing.Learn how efficient body mechanics create stylish surfing, even without tryingUnderstand the subtle but powerful difference between natural style and contrived movementDiscover why relaxed posture and patience—not aggression—unlock flow, trim, and that elusive “feel” of great surfingListen now to elevate your surf experience with expert insights into how style is born from form—and how you can start embodying both in the lineup.Follow Devon Howard - Check out Devon’s surfing and updates on his Instagram: Devon_howardLinkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/devon-howard-a4b2a613/.Connect with Surf Mastery:Surf Mastery Website: Download the free PDF with the top five tips from the Surf Mastery Podcast at surfmastery.com.Instagram: Surf MasteryKey PointsStyle in surfing is discussed, focusing on its subjective nature and the difficulty in defining it, with references to famous surfers like Joel Tudor and Joel Parkinson.A conversation on the importance of style in surfing, drawing parallels with other artistic expressions like gymnastics, dance, and bullfighting, highlighting the timeless human attraction to beauty.The evolution of style in surfing, from the 1960s to the modern era, is explored, discussing how competition surfing has influenced the emphasis on style versus radical maneuvers.A debate on whether surfers should prioritize style over radical maneuvers, with an emphasis on the importance of maintaining good form and efficient surfing techniques.The significance of style in longboard surfing competitions, where criteria include style, flow, and grace, is discussed, along with the challenges of training judges to evaluate these subjective qualities.The relationship between good form and style in surfing is highlighted, emphasizing that efficient form naturally leads to stylish surfing, much like in other sports such as golf and baseball.Advice is given on improving surfing style by focusing on form, being patient, and not rushing maneuvers, with an emphasis on the psychological and physiological benefits of adopting a relaxed and centered posture. OutlinePodcast Introduction and Episode MilestoneMichael Frampson, the host of the Surf Mastery Podcast, introduces episode 100, a milestone for the podcast.Michael mentions the revamped website, surfmastery.com, which features a free PDF listing the top five tips from the Surf Mastery podcast.The special guest for this episode is Devon Howard, who has appeared in previous episodes discussing longboarding, nose riding, mid-lengths, and twin fins.Feedback and SupportMichael encourages listeners to provide feedback on the show by emailing Mike@surfmastery.com, DMing on Instagram, or leaving a comment under the episode's visual.Listeners are also encouraged to support Devon Howard by following his Instagram.Devon Howard's BackgroundDevon Howard is currently working with Channel Islands in Santa Barbara, contributing to new surfboard models.Grateful Dead DebateMichael and Devon discuss the debate between Britt Merrick and Chaz Smith about the Grateful Dead.Devon expresses indifference towards the Grateful Dead's music but acknowledges the strong case made by Britt Merrick for their cultural significance.The conversation highlights the difference between experiencing the Grateful Dead live versus listening to them on Spotify.Other Live PerformancesDevon mentions Radiohead and James Brown as bands that are better experienced live.Michael shares his appreciation for Amp Fiddler's live performances and recommends catching the Action New Zealand Band live in Santa Barbara.Origin and Evolution of the Word 'Style'Michael provides a summary of the etymology of the word 'style', tracing its evolution from a writing instrument to a manner of expression and eventually to a distinctive mode of dress.The discussion touches on the word's application in various contexts, including surfing.Style in SurfingDevon defines style in surfing as a measure of good surfing and a marker of one's expression of surfing.The conversation explores the subjective nature of style, ranging from beauty to contrived and non-functional elements.Michael and Devon discuss the importance of style in surfing, relating it to efficiency, grace, and form.Style vs. Radical SurfingThe discussion contrasts style with radical surfing, noting that some surfers prioritize radical maneuvers over style.Examples of stylish surfers include Joel Parkinson, Kelly Slater, and Gabriel Medina, while Adriano D'Souza is mentioned as an example of a surfer with less emphasis on style.Technical Aspects of StyleDevon explains that good style is often a result of good form, which allows for efficient and seamless surfing.The conversation highlights the importance of relaxation, proper body positioning, and maintaining trim speed for optimal performance.Devon emphasizes that style should not be contrived but should naturally follow from good form and technique.Style in Competition SurfingThe discussion touches on the role of style in competition surfing, noting that while style was once a given, it has become less emphasized in recent decades.Devon mentions the inclusion of style, flow, and grace in the criteria for longboard surfing competitions.The conversation explores the potential for incorporating style more formally into shortboard competition criteria.Efficiency and Neurological EfficiencyMichael shares an example of how infants learn to stand efficiently due to their weakness, and how athletes maintain this efficiency for optimal form.The discussion highlights the importance of joint centration and proper bone stacking for efficient movement and force transfer.Feeling Good StyleDevon believes that good style can be felt, describing moments where the turn or movement feels right and looks good.The conversation emphasizes the connection between feeling good style and the overall surfing experience, including the reward and satisfaction derived from dedicated practice and learning.Contrived vs. Natural StyleDevon distinguishes between contrived style, where surfers try to present a certain look, and natural style, which arises from functional form and technique.The conversation advises against rushing surfing and emphasizes the importance of patience, proper form, and not forcing style.TranscriptionDevon Howard When I—when I often think about style, there's always like—there's two camps. There's the people that get it, and style is usually—it's like, you know it when you see it. I said, how do you know that something's pornographic versus art or beauty? And a lot of times the answer is, well, you know when you see it. You know something is gross or smut as opposed to art.Michael Frampton Welcome back to the Surf Mastery Podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton, and this is episode 100 of the podcast. A little bit of a milestone. Special guest for this episode. And we've also revamped the website, surfmastery.com, and on the front page of that website is a free PDF listing the top five tips from the Surf Mastery Podcast. So go to surfmastery.com and you can download that PDF for free. Today's guest—well, I was looking back through all the stats on this podcast, and the most downloaded episodes have been from Devon Howard, so it made sense to have him on episode 100. And so you can go back and listen to—he first appeared on the show, uh, episode 41, discussing longboarding and nose riding. Then it was back in, uh, episode 70. Uh, we talked about mid-lengths. In episode 86, it was twin fins. And today in episode 100, Devon Howard joins us again to discuss style. Style is something that is—it's fundamental. It's paramount for every type of surfing that is done, from traditional longboarding all the way through to high performance shortboarding. All of the greats, all of the most memorable surfers, have good style. They are stylish—from Joel Tudor in traditional longboarding through to Joel Parkinson as a high-performance, competitive shortboarder. Tom Curren, uh, mid-lengths and twin fins. You got Torren Martyn.Michael Frampton And of course, Devon Howard himself is a very stylish surfer. He's very smooth, very graceful on a longboard, on a mid-length, and a twin fin. We've even seen some footage of him riding, uh, three thrusters out there on his Instagram. And his style, his technique, his gracefulness runs throughout his surfing. So a perfect topic for us to discuss in episode 100. So I would love to hear your feedback on the show in general—the last 100 episodes and of course this episode. Go ahead, send us an email: mike@surfmastery.com. Or you can DM me on Instagram or leave a comment under the, uh, the visual for this episode. And of course, support Devon Howard. Give his Instagram a follow. And of course, he's, uh, joining us from the Channel Islands office in Santa Barbara. Uh, Devon is currently working with Channel Islands—working on some new surfboard models as well. Some of the most popular boards recently he's been a part of. So without further ado, I shall fade in my conversation with Devon Howard. I actually see a lot of agreement between Brett and Chaz on this subject. Yeah, yeah, because there are—there are things, right, that you go to a Grateful Dead concert and you experience the show and the vibe—you don't really listen to them on Spotify.Devon Howard Yeah. It's—it's something to be enjoyed live.Michael Frampton Yeah. There's a certain style and vibe to them, I think, that come across differently in person than it does. And also the audience they sort of draw in. Yeah. Rather to the music on Spotify right there.Devon Howard There are two bands that I think are better live as well, which—I think Radiohead is better live. I like Radiohead. I think a lot of their albums are great. I've been to a few of their shows that I think—no, this is 10 or 15 years ago. I don't know if that's still the case, but at the time when they were really peaking, they were insane live. And then I also saw James Brown live. Oh, wow. 25 years ago. And that was incredible. Mhm. I mean, what a showman.Michael Frampton Yes. Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, there's the Radiohead Live from the Basement—um, unbelievable. Like, gives you—I can't remember what album it is—they play in full from their studio, basement studio, and it just makes you appreciate them on a whole other level. Yeah. Just—just by watching that on YouTube, not even being there. Well, yeah. Um, I remember seeing a gentleman called Amp Fiddler, another one of the best live acts I ever saw. Um, gave me a new appreciation of his music. He's sort of new age funk slash reggae. Um, interesting music. Yeah. Catch a Fire. Catch a Fire—they're doing a tour through California at the moment. They're another unbelievable band live. Their live performance and sound is bigger than their studio albums. I think they’re actually a New Zealand band. You get a chance to see them—they often play in Santa Barbara. I forget the venue name. It's like a 500-capacity venue in Santa Barbara. They always play there.Devon Howard Is that the Bowl? I'm not sure.Michael Frampton Can't remember.Devon Howard Anyway, a lot of venues there, but yeah.Michael Frampton Style. Let's talk about style. Do you—yeah, what would—what do you—know the origin of the word?Devon Howard Um, I don't, but I'd imagine. Uh—well, I hope you did some research on it. Is it, um—the Latin word? Is it—Greek? Is it—where does it come from?Michael Frampton Let me sort of summarize from Etymology Online. From the early 14th century, it started out as a writing instrument—pen or stylus—a piece of written discourse or narrative, characteristic rhetorical mode of an author, a manner or mode of expression, a way of life, behavior. Then the word sort of transformed—the evolution of the word, uh, from writing tool went into writing, into manner of writing, into mode of expression in writing of a particular writer or author. Um, and then it was in the 1500s—it was paired with the word "substance," which basically meant back then, divine part or essence. That sort of gave the word a deeper meaning, including finer appearance or dashing character. Um, then it was—the word then went into an artist's particular mode or form of skilled presentation. That was later extended into athletics. Then by the 1800s it was "distinctive or characteristic mode of dress." Obviously it was more in regards to fashion. Um, and so there's a little bit of a history of the word. So I think there's a lot of depth to that. And it's certainly—it's very apt for surfing. A lot of those meanings, I think. Yes. Tell me what you think about style and how important it is.Devon Howard Well, style is, um—from my personal experience growing up, it was a—it was a measure of good surfing. And, um, it was a marker of, like, one's own presentation of their expression of surfing. Uh, I don't want to cheapen it by, I guess, using the word "brand," like your brand of surfing, but, um, everyone has their own form of expression. And style is—oftentimes I see style as making the difficult look easy. And my own belief in, you know, just absorbing what was around me when I was a kid—you know, we're humans. We sort of mimic and imitate what's around us. I haven't innovated anything really at all. I've just looked at what's around. And you take bits and pieces. First you take it from your parents, of course. And then as you get out in the world, it's like what's going on around you. And in San Diego, where I grew up—and I think this was the same in many other surf cities in not only the US but the world—in the 80s, the older surfers, 10 to 20 years older than you, were style-focused as opposed to this idea of ripping or tearing something apart and doing it with reckless abandon. That was something that started getting more popular as I was a kid. So I was sort of born into this era where one thing was kind of falling out of favor, and this other form of surfing was gaining popularity. And—sorry, that was kind of a muddled answer, but I think it's one of the most difficult subjects in surfing to discuss or to describe because it's so subjective. And it comes—the word style comes with a lot of different ideas to people, ranging from beauty to something that's very contrived and nonfunctional.Michael Frampton Yeah. I mean, the word "style" itself has—as you sort of addressed—a lot of meanings. Like, everyone has their own unique style, you could say, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are stylish. So when we think of stylish surfers, we do—we think of beauty and grace and flow. And I think it is related to that, and it's related to efficiency, right? I mean, Rob Machado comes to mind. I think he's sort of an incredibly stylish surfer, but he also fits in that modern category—category of radical. Yeah, he encompasses both. And I mean, world champ Joel Parkinson obviously fit the criteria of competition surfing but remained incredibly smooth and stylish.Devon Howard Yeah. Well, you know, I think depending on where you grew up and what culture you came from or grew up in, style c…

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    99 Rod Perez - Holistic Health Practices for Surf Wellness Jul 17, 2024
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    99 How to Surf Stronger as You Grow Older with Rod Perez (Holistic Pro Health) Surf Mastery Podcast Download Still trying to surf hard while your body says otherwise? What if the real secret to surfing stronger with age isn't more power—but smarter recovery and movement?In this conversation with renowned surf performance coach Rod Perez, we break down the truth about sustainable surf fitness. From mobility to mindset, Rod shares insights from decades of coaching elite athletes (including Joel Parkinson) and working with everyday surfers who want to feel good in the water again—not just grind in the gym.Learn how to bulletproof your knees, hips, and back with training strategies surfers over 35 actually needDiscover why most “fit” surfers are missing the endurance and mobility they truly need for better surfingUnderstand how Japanese samurai philosophy can help you live—and surf—with more purpose, energy, and gratitudeHit play now to learn how to extend your surfing years and unlock better sessions through smarter body and mind practices.Follow Rod Pererz : Website:rodperez.com & Instagram: holisticprohealthFollow Michael John Frampton: Instagram: surf mastery & Website:https://surfmastery.com/.Key PointsRodrigo Perez discussed working with Joel Parkinson and helping him transition to a different phase of life, emphasizing the importance of training, sleep, and health.Rodrigo Perez emphasized the importance of mobility and capacity in training, particularly for surfers, noting that many people lack these aspects in their fitness routines.Rodrigo Perez highlighted the benefits of recovery techniques such as ice baths and saunas, stressing that proper recovery is often neglected but crucial for preventing joint problems and osteoporosis.Rodrigo Perez discussed the use of advanced recovery techniques like stem cells and peptides, noting their effectiveness in helping clients recover from injuries.Rodrigo Perez shared insights on the common ailments among aging surfers, such as lower back problems and hip rotation issues, and the importance of sustainable training practices.Rodrigo Perez discussed his book 'The Art of Longevity,' inspired by his clients' back problems and his own experiences, aiming to provide a holistic guide for mind and body wellness.Rodrigo Perez emphasized the importance of basics like proper diet, exercise, and recovery over advanced supplements or genetic modifications for longevity.Rodrigo Perez discussed the influence of Japanese philosophy and traditions on his approach to health and wellness, highlighting the simplicity and discipline of the samurai lifestyle. OutlineIntroduction and BackgroundMichael Frampton introduced the Surf Mastery Podcast and mentioned a new website, surfmastery.com, with a free download of top five tips.Rodrigo Perez, the guest, has released a new book titled 'The Art of Longevity: Your Practical Guide to Total Mind and Body Wellness'.Rodrigo Perez is a professional coach and founder of Holistic Pro Health Performance, having worked with successful athletes.Joel Parkinson provided a quote about Rodrigo Perez's help in transitioning to future goals.Michael Frampton mentioned attending one of Rodrigo Perez's courses in 2016 and being impressed with their knowledge and presence.Professional Collaborations and RetreatsRodrigo Perez and Michael Hintala presented together in California in 2019.Rodrigo Perez worked with Ricardo Christie to help him return to the tour.Rodrigo Perez is currently working with the new generation of surfers, including Canadian and Japanese surfers.Rodrigo Perez and Tom have been running retreats together, despite challenges during the COVID-19 pandemic and Tom's hip surgery.Dealing with Knee Injuries and OsteoarthritisMichael Frampton discussed Tom's knee replacement and their shared experience with ACL reconstruction leading to osteoarthritis.Rodrigo Perez emphasized the importance of proper training, stabilization, and recovery to manage knee injuries and osteoarthritis.Rodrigo Perez highlighted the need for a balanced approach to training, including non-impact exercises, and the use of recovery methods like ice baths and saunas.Rodrigo Perez mentioned the use of advanced recovery techniques such as stem cells and peptides for some clients.Training and Mobility for SurfersRodrigo Perez discussed the importance of mobility and capacity in training for surfers, particularly for those looking to improve their technique and endurance.Rodrigo Perez defined mobility as the ability to move the body in different planes with strength, not just flexibility.Rodrigo Perez recommended increasing the number of reps in training to improve endurance and capacity.Rodrigo Perez noted that many surfers, especially those aged 35 to 60, seek help for injuries and pain, often due to overtraining and lack of proper recovery.Case Study: Joel ParkinsonRodrigo Perez discussed working with Joel Parkinson, who had an MCL injury and needed to adjust his training approach.Joel Parkinson lost weight and regained his surfing potential, winning competitions after working with Rodrigo Perez.Rodrigo Perez emphasized the importance of educating surfers on sustainable training practices and maintaining a love for surfing.Rodrigo Perez's Surfing JourneyRodrigo Perez started surfing in 1999, initially bodyboarding before transitioning to surfboards.Rodrigo Perez has been improving their surfing skills over the years, particularly with the help of Tom and other students.Rodrigo Perez enjoys learning about different surfboards and adapting their surfing style to various ocean conditions.Inspiration Behind 'The Art of Longevity'Rodrigo Perez was inspired to write 'The Art of Longevity' by their mother's back problems and the prevalence of back issues among clients.The book aims to provide practical, science-backed tips for total mind and body wellness, drawing from Rodrigo Perez's 25 years of experience.Rodrigo Perez emphasized the importance of maintaining a healthy lifestyle, including proper training, nutrition, and mindset, to achieve longevity in surfing and life.Samurai Philosophy and LifestyleRodrigo Perez discussed the influence of samurai philosophy on their approach to life and wellness.Rodrigo Perez highlighted the discipline, simplicity, and gratitude inherent in the samurai lifestyle.Rodrigo Perez emphasized the importance of maintaining a positive energy level, healthy habits, and a balanced approach to diet and exercise.Book Chapter: 'Life of a Samurai'Rodrigo Perez chose the chapter 'Life of a Samurai' as the one to spread to the world, as it encapsulates the essence of the book.The chapter discusses the disciplined lifestyle of the samurai, including their approach to diet, meditation, and daily routines.Rodrigo Perez believes that adopting elements of the samurai lifestyle can lead to greater happiness and fulfillment.Japanese Culture and LongevityRodrigo Perez discussed the influence of Japanese culture on their understanding of longevity and wellness.Rodrigo Perez highlighted the traditional practices, social structures, and clean environment in Japan that contribute to longevity.Rodrigo Perez emphasized the importance of simple habits, such as early morning routines and daily exercise, in maintaining a healthy lifestyle.TranscriptionMichael Frampton Welcome back or welcome to the Surf Mastery Podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton. If you're a fan of the show and haven't subscribed yet, please do. One of the best ways you can help grow the show is to share an episode with a friend. I have released a new website, same address, surfmastery.com, and there is a free download for the top five tips from the show, so if you haven't done that, go ahead and do that. There'll be a link in the show notes, or just go to surfmastery.com and it's there on the front page. Today's guest is Rodrigo Perez. He's just released a new book, here it is here. If you're watching on YouTube you can see that. For those listening, it's called The Art of Longevity: Your Practical Guide to Total Mind and Body Wellness. And I'm gonna read from the back for a quick and dirty bio of Rod. Rodrigo Perez is a professional coach and founder of Holistic Pro Health Performance and has worked with some of the world's most successful athletes. The Art of Longevity draws on everything he's learned along his own journey with one aim: helping people live the lives they've imagined. And let me read, here's a good little quote from Joel Parkinson – I'm not sure if he's a current or former client of Rod’s. I'll read his quote that he put in the first thing you see in this book actually. “As a former pro surfer, training has always been an integral part of my career, and in this next stage of my life, Rod has helped me to transition to where I want to be for the future. I want to be ripping in my 60s.” Well, so do I. And exercising outside of surfing and looking after your sleep and your health and all that stuff is an important part of that. And sadly, there's a lot of... What I like about this book is it condenses it down into just simple, practical, science-backed tips that you can... yeah, just a quick and dirty—well, it's not that quick, it's actually pretty comprehensive, this book. And I actually did a course—gosh, it would have been back in 2016, I think, when I was up in the Gold Coast. I did one of Rod's courses and I was impressed with him and his knowledge and his presence as a coach as well. Anyway, without further ado, here is my conversation with Rodrigo Perez. Anyway, it's nice to see you again. I don't know if you remember, I came to one of your courses. Gosh, it would have been 12 years ago, maybe.Rodrigo Perez Yes, 12 years ago, and then I remember in 2019 as well I saw you in California. It was presented together with Michael Rintala.Michael Frampton Rintala, that's right. That's right. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a long time. Yeah, I remember that first time I met you and I did your course, Ricardo Christie came in and did a little talk. I think you were working with him at the time.Rodrigo Perez Yeah. Yeah, we were working to make him come back to the tour and he made it back that year. That's right. So we've been working together at that time. We were working together for two years—persistence and changes in mindset and vision and beliefs, like things that he wasn't doing and stuff. Things that he was rejecting to do but ended up doing. And in some comps he didn't want to go for, 3,000 ones, and then he went to one of them and he won, and that's what made him, like, get back.Michael Frampton Yeah. And you've worked with a lot of pros over the years.Rodrigo Perez Yes. I'm pretty grateful for that. And even being... it's interesting because even now, I'm still working with the new generation. It's very interesting now, being working with a Canadian girl, Erin, being working with the new Japanese generation. They've been surfing amazing. TC said hello to you.Michael Frampton Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I see you've been doing some—well, last time I spoke with Tom, he said that you guys have been running retreats together.Rodrigo Perez Yeah, so I was on the phone maybe an hour and a half ago and then we chatted and he's got a busy road. I said I'm gonna jump on the Loom with Michael and he said hello to Michael. Yeah, we've been doing a lot of stuff together. We're building now, building something new for everyone. It's been good. Like, I think we just started at the wrong time and a good time because it was straight away during COVID. Yeah, had a lot of competitions in 2020, and in 2021 it was too hard to run the retreats. We still pushed, we had a few retreats—jump the fence to do the retreats, isolate, don't let people know—but yeah, it was cool. And he had a couple of injuries as well. We had to stop—like last year, we had to stop for six, seven months because he had a hip surgery. We've been working a lot on his rehabilitation. He's getting back, and he's getting back to the water, been surfing better now, and starting to connect everything back. And yeah, this year was great. Looking forward to start to push a bit more.Michael Frampton Cool. Yeah, actually recently Tom had his knee replacement. Well, you know Tom's story about his knee. I'll run through it quickly. He had ACL reconstruction back when he was 16, and that basically predisposes you to osteoarthritis later on in life. And a similar thing happened to me. I had my ACL reconstruction when I was 21, and now, just late last year, I went in and—one day my knee just blew up and I thought, no, what? And I hadn't done anything to it. Anyway, I went in to see the specialist and now it's bone on bone now, and sadly... yeah. So I'm going through that at the moment. But that leads me into the question. I think there's a lot of surfers that maybe they haven't had ACL knee surgery, but surfing is notoriously hard on the knees. And osteoarthritis is a common... it's a common thing amongst surfers. How do you approach dealing with that particular injury?Rodrigo Perez Well, like, a lot of stuff that can come in behind the structure. I know when we talk about our age, or when you are 20 years old, and how much training you've done at the time—or the right training—the stabilization. A lot of people focus too much on compounding exercises all the time: squats, deadlifts, bench presses, and deep pulls. And at the end of the day, like, we needed a lot of other things behind. And then when approaching situations like that, like present, or you talk about Tom and your situation—his hips got a lot of problems because his knees now, he's ended up... So he had a full tear, and then glute med, and he had a full tear, like pretty much the tendon of the gluteal medius pulled out of the bone. So he had to reattach and stitch up the gluteus. So things like that—for me it's just one comment after the other—because he didn’t have, he doesn’t have much stability on the right knee where the process is there now, and then probably that’s the main goal and keep it constant training. Now unfortunately, like as a type of one, you keep frothing for life, but if you mess up your training—I know—you have to think. So a surfer's pumping whole week, and you get this mojo and a surfer’s every day. You forget about the training. You're just doing a little bit of stretch to recover. And you forget about the activation and the strength area. And that's probably—if you let go—sometimes you let go for three weeks, four weeks. And you know it's hard to gain strength. Very easy to lose. The body can switch on pretty quick. No. So situations like that, we definitely need to see. Do you have any history on your ankle? Same side?Michael Frampton Yeah, a little bit.Rodrigo Perez Yeah, so that usually is like that. Whoever has ACL, they have a lot of history on the ankle on the same side, and then it really can bring up to the hip. So it's something we have to work our way around. What helps it? The best thing we can do is just eat well. Keep the training up. No, and don't forget about the recovery. We never spoke about—like no one talks about recovery—but recovery is a big thing today. Ice baths, saunas, any kind of thing where you can recover. And I think that's the main part, because we have the tendency to hit. And then we hit 85%, 90%, and then we usually recover only 10%. So all these things can hit pretty hard, like osteoporosis and joint problems, because we don't recover enough.Michael Frampton Yeah. Yeah. And you mentione…

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    98 Matt Parker - Choosing Boards and Breaking Surfing Rules Jul 05, 2024
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    98 Matt Parker - Choosing Boards and Breaking Surfing Rules Surf Mastery Podcast Download Are you riding the right surfboard—or just trying to impress people in the parking lot?In this episode, Matt Parker of Album Surf dismantles the myth that high-performance shortboards are the gold standard for all surfers. From soft tops to asymmetrical shapes, Matt explains how the right board isn’t about status—it’s about unlocking joy, freedom, and better surfing.Learn why board variety helps you read waves better and accelerate your skillDiscover how pro surfers are ditching shortboards for more playful, experimental shapesGet Matt’s exact 3-board travel quiver and his unconventional advice on picking boards for max funListen now to hear why breaking surfing rules might be the smartest move for your stoke and your surf progression.Follow Matt Parker:Instagram: @albumsurfLinkedin: matt-parker-7877a17Website: albumsurf.comDon’t forget to visit our new website for a free PDF download outlining Michael’s top five insights from the show, and reach out if you know anyone at YouTube to help resolve access issues!Enjoy the episode and happy surfing!Key PointsMatt Parker discusses the significance of personal enjoyment in surfing over seeking approval from others, emphasizing the solitary nature of the sport.Matt shares his experience transitioning from making surfboards as a hobby to establishing Album Surf as a successful business, driven by demand and innovation.The misconception that high-performance shortboards are the only legitimate boards for serious surfing is debunked, highlighting the value of alternative designs.Matt describes the evolution of his relationship with surfing, noting increased enjoyment and appreciation for the sport as he ages.Matt Parker reveals his preferred three surfboards for travel, showcasing a fish, a big board, and an asymmetrical performance board.Matt discusses the unique features and benefits of Album Surf's soft tops, distinguishing them from competitors by their design details and manufacturing process.Matt Parker's best surf advice is to choose a board based on personal enjoyment rather than seeking approval, while his worst advice involves unnecessary restrictions on board choice. OutlineSurfing Motivations and Social StatusMatt Parker discusses the idea that some people pursue surfing for social status rather than the actual experience of surfing.Parker believes that focusing on approval from others is short-term thinking and leads to dissatisfaction.Surfing is described as a solitary pursuit where the individual experiences the wave and the moment.Surf Mastery Podcast and New WebsiteMichael Frampton introduces the Surf Mastery Podcast and mentions a new website with a free PDF download of top 5 insights from the show.The website features insights from the last 8 years of improving surfing skills.Matt Parker and Album SurfMatt Parker is introduced as a guest from Album Surf, a large surfboard company specializing in various types of boards.Parker started shaping surfboards in 2001 and emphasizes the blending of curves and interaction with water in surfboard design.A quote from Parker's website highlights the idea that there shouldn't be rules about what a surfboard looks like.Living in New Zealand vs. CaliforniaMichael Frampton discusses living in New Zealand, specifically Hawke's Bay on the east coast of the North Island.Frampton mentions the average surf conditions in the area and the need to drive for better waves.Matt Parker compares the weather and surf conditions in Southern California to those in New Zealand.Surfboards and VarietyMatt Parker and Michael Frampton discuss the benefits of using different types of surfboards.Parker mentions that he rarely rides the same board two days in a row and enjoys the discovery process of each new board.Frampton shares his experience with an 11-foot Josh Hall board, which taught him about reading waves and being present.Professional Surfers and Board ChoicesMichael Frampton notes that many professional surfers, when not competing, choose to ride different types of boards rather than high-performance shortboards.Matt Parker agrees and provides examples of surfers like Josh Kerr who prefer alternative boards.Parker believes that high-performance shortboards direct surfers to a specific type of surfing, whereas alternative boards offer more freedom and fun.Car Racing Analogy for SurfboardsMichael Frampton uses a car racing analogy to describe the difference between high-performance shortboards and other types of boards.Frampton compares high-performance shortboards to finely tuned Formula One cars and other boards to V8 supercars.Matt Parker agrees with the analogy, emphasizing that surfing is about the feeling and the tactile experience.Surf Culture and PerceptionMatt Parker discusses the culture of surfing and the perception that surfers want to project competence and coolness.Parker believes that some surfers focus more on how they are perceived in the lineup rather than the enjoyment they get from surfing.He advises against pursuing surfing for the approval of others, especially since it is a solitary pursuit.Matt Parker's Journey into Surfboard ShapingMatt Parker shares his journey into shaping surfboards, starting with curiosity and experimentation in the late 80s and early 90s.Parker began shaping boards with no intention of it becoming a business, focusing on the creation and exploration process.His interest in different board shapes and the lack of available options led him to start shaping his own boards.Transition to a BusinessMatt Parker transitioned from shaping boards as a hobby to running Album Surf as a business.The demand for his unique boards and the accessibility of the surf industry in the digital age contributed to this decision.Parker's boards resonated with professional surfers, validating his designs and encouraging him to pursue the business further.Surfing Philosophy and EnjoymentMatt Parker shares his current relationship with surfing, emphasizing the importance of being in the water as much as possible.He notes that while his physical abilities may have peaked, he enjoys surfing more now than ever due to a better perspective and appreciation for the experience.Parker believes that the mindset and appreciation for the opportunity to surf contribute to a more enjoyable experience.Choosing Surfboards for TravelMatt Parker discusses the challenge of choosing three boards to travel with, given his constant R&D and new board designs.He suggests a fish, a bigger board like Margo's models, and an asymmetrical high-performance board like the Disorder or Bongia.Michael Frampton agrees, highlighting the importance of having a versatile quiver to adapt to different wave conditions.Glider Surfboards and LongboardingMatt Parker and Michael Frampton discuss the satisfaction and unique experience of riding glider surfboards.They emphasize the kinetic energy, speed, and momentum maintenance that gliders offer.Parker prefers riding gliders over traditional longboards, enjoying the trim and glide feeling.Soft Top SurfboardsMatt Parker explains the differences in Album Surf's soft top surfboards compared to others on the market.He mentions that their soft tops are made in different places, with some having injection foam and others having a foam core with stringers.Parker highlights the benefits of soft tops for beginners and experienced surfers alike, emphasizing the fun and unique experience they offer.Best and Worst Surf AdviceMatt Parker shares the best surf advice he has received, which is to choose the board that brings the most fun and not worry about others' opinions.He also mentions the worst advice, which is unnecessary rules or perceptions about how surfing should be done.Parker emphasizes that surfing should be about having fun and being out in the ocean, without strict rules or expectations.TranscriptionMichael Frampton Welcome back to the Surf Mastery Podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton. Today's guest is Matt Parker from Album Surf. But before we get into that, a couple of housekeeping items. Firstly, Surf Mastery has a new website, and included on that on the front page is a free PDF download outlining my top five insights from the show and the last eight years or so of focusing on improving my own surfing. Um, so go ahead and download that puppy. Also, does anyone know anyone on YouTube? I have been denied access to my YouTube account and have exhausted all other avenues and have had a dead end. So if anyone knows anyone at YouTube, please reach out: mike@surfmastery.com or you can DM me on Instagram as well. Onto the show. Today's guest, like I said, is Matt Parker from Album Surf. Matt is a surfer from Southern California, and he started shaping surfboards from his garage back in 2001. And now Album Surf is one of the largest surfboard companies around. They specialize in all types of boards. And let me read a little quote from Matt’s website, which sort of summarizes the way he thinks about surfboards. This is a quote from Matt: “The surfboard is a constant blending of curves and how they interact with the water, making those curves feel comfortable, like an extension of your feet and your mind.” It's so interesting. There shouldn’t be any rules about what a surfboard looks like. I love that quote, and you would have seen there are so many pros that when they aren’t surfing on tour, they end up on these boards, including one of my favorite surfers of all time, Margo. Yes, one of the best free surfers around, Brendan Margieson is well worth a follow on Instagram as well. He started riding Matt’s boards. Anyway, without further ado, I shall fade in my conversation with Matt Parker from Album Surf.Matt Parker How are things? Uh, how are things in New Zealand?Michael Frampton Are things going swimmingly?Matt Parker Always there. So you live in the prettiest place on Earth. How could it not?Michael Frampton Oh, yeah. You're not wrong. Although I have to admit, I do miss California.Matt Parker Did you have spent time out here before you lived here or just...Michael Frampton Yeah, I lived in, uh, I lived in Point Dume, Malibu for four years. Oh, cool. So I was obviously in a little bit of a bubble surfing Little Dume every day, but, uh, you know, the weather, the weather alone in Southern California, I kind of felt like it was a bit monotonous. After four years there, I almost missed winter. But having come back to New Zealand and actually experiencing the four seasons, I take California any day.Matt Parker Yeah, it's big news when it rains here. It's like, yeah.Michael Frampton Yeah, no one can drive in the rain in California.Matt Parker No. Definitely not, definitely not.Michael Frampton And then, of course you can't. Well, you're not supposed to go in the water either.Matt Parker Uh, so. So whereabouts in New Zealand? What part are you at? Like, where do you surf at and all that?Michael Frampton I'm in a place called Hawke’s Bay, which is on the east coast of the North Island. There's nowhere really famous surf-wise around here. The surf is pretty average around here, actually. We have a mass, uh, continental shelf. So the swell comes in with a, uh, just with almost no energy left in it unless it's a certain period that seems to sneak through. Um, so, yeah, around here is not so good for surfing, to be honest. I came back here to, you know, raise the kids and I think, yeah, that sort of thing.Matt Parker But there’s pretty drivable though, right? I mean, you can get...Michael Frampton Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, you know, if you're willing to drive, um, then yeah, you can get waves, probably get good waves almost every day in New Zealand actually, if you're willing to drive and put up with a little bit of weather.Matt Parker Mhm. Not afraid of a little wind. Right. Find the blowing the right way. Yeah.Michael Frampton Exactly. Well, that’s another big thing is I remember in Southern California so many days there’s just no wind.Matt Parker Yeah.Michael Frampton Where you don’t really get that in New Zealand. Maybe the first two hours of the day there's not much wind, but you'd never get a day where it’s glassy until midday like in Southern California. That’s rare here.Matt Parker Yeah. That's like the prototypical dreamy Southern California fall day where it's kind of glass, a little bit offshore in the morning, and kind of glassy and nice and sunny and warm all day with fun combo swells. That's kind of the ideal. It's like that a lot. I'm down in San Clemente. It's pretty clean down here, too. We live in like a little valley that kind of keeps the wind cleaner here. I don't know if it's just protected a little bit from some of the, you know, more beach break spots up in Huntington and Newport, all those spots. But, um...Michael Frampton Yeah. No, I've spent a little bit of time down your way as well. I surfed Lowers and I got to interview Archy on my way down there and I spent some time. Um, I love surfing Swami’s and just that whole Encinitas area. Spent some time down there?Matt Parker Yeah.Michael Frampton And, uh, part of what I wanted to talk about today was, obviously, surfboards. But I remember we interviewed Devon Howard, and so I got to surf with Devon and I was surfing this, like it was a Stu Kenson 9'4". And I would just paddle. I would just paddle right out the back as far as you can at Little Dume and surf it like Sarlo, almost just catch the swell and just get long, big sweeping rides. And Devon’s like, “You should just be on a glider.” And I was like, “What’s a glider?” And then so I just, I just went out and bought an 11-foot Josh Hall, and that’s pretty much all I surf all of the time.Matt Parker Even further out. You weren't even like another hundred yards out, would catch it even out the back. Yeah. It's amazing.Michael Frampton Yeah. And then I'm always swapping around boards. But that 11-foot board just taught me so much about surfing. Just the sheer volume and weight and size of the board. Just, you have to think about reading the waves so differently and about, you know, the space around you with other people so differently. And then when you finally do jump back on a board, a shortboard or whatever, I found it so much easier and more fun and easier to sort of be present after having learnt how to surf such a big surfboard. Yo. Have you experienced anything similar with playing around with lots of different boards?Matt Parker Yeah, I, um, I, obviously I make boards and so I'm always riding something different. You know, most of the time it's rare that I ride the same board two days in a row. Um, and so I'm very used to like the initial paddle out where, um, I, I can't try too hard, you know what I mean? I kind of have to just feel what the board is going to do and just kind of be open to what it feels like once I'm dropping in and just kind of riding the wave. And so it makes me, um, yeah, it's just a good little lesson every time because you can't, you can't force it. And so, uh, you remain a little bit relaxed and not try to do too much, and then you kind of feel it out and every wave is kind of like a—you're learning a little bit more about what the board wants to do and what line it wants to take, and trying to figure out where the gas pedal is. And, and, uh, so that's like the discovery part of surfing for me because I surf, I tend to surf the same place every day. And it's a point break down near, uh, Lowers and it's kind of a similar wave, but it's kind of a sectional point break that offers some variety. But it's the same place. You know, I'm surfing in the same spot all the time. And so…

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    97 Guy Kawasaki - Tech Guru Discovers Surfing at 60 Jun 25, 2024
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    97 Guy Kawasaki - Tech Guru Discovers Surfing at 60 Surf Mastery Podcast Download Is it ever too late to start surfing? What if your best wave is still ahead—even if you’re in your 60s?In this episode, legendary tech entrepreneur and author Guy Kawasaki shares his unexpected journey into surfing—starting at age 60. From battling Ménière’s disease to redefining success through grace, grit, and daily ocean immersion, Guy blends humor, humility, and hard-won wisdom that every surfer—young or old—can learn from.Discover how Guy used dry-land training, grit, and daily practice to surf better despite late entry and physical limitationsLearn why grace in the lineup matters more than ego—and what seasoned surfers should really model for beginnersHear how surfing helped Guy redefine ikigai, decision-making, and leadership—on the board and in lifeHit play now and hear how a Silicon Valley icon found deeper joy, humility, and life lessons in the ocean—and how you can too.Follow Guy Kawasaki:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guykawasaki/Website: https://guykawasaki.com/Key PointsGuy Kawasaki started surfing at age 60, inspired by his daughter's passion for the sport.Guy Kawasaki took surfing lessons in multiple locations to accelerate his learning pace.Surfing has significantly improved Guy Kawasaki's life despite his pre-existing Meniere's disease.Guy Kawasaki believes that luck is a result of being prepared and taking advantage of opportunities.Guy Kawasaki attributes his success in various endeavors, including surfing, to grit and a growth mindset.Grace in surfing, according to Guy Kawasaki, is demonstrated by experienced surfers who help and encourage beginners rather than asserting dominance.Guy Kawasaki reframes the concept of Ikigai as doing something you love despite not being good at it or getting paid for it.Guy Kawasaki emphasizes the importance of making decisions right rather than constantly seeking the perfect decision.The core message of Guy Kawasaki's recent book is that making a difference and improving the world leads to being recognized as remarkable. OutlineGuy Kawasaki's introduction to surfingGuy Kawasaki started surfing at the age of 60.Kawasaki's daughter inspired them to take up surfing.Kawasaki's parenting philosophy is to let their children determine what they should take up based on what they love.Kawasaki took up hockey at 44 and surfing at 60 because that's what their kids are into.Kawasaki's approach to learning surfingKawasaki took lessons in Hawaii, India, Santa Cruz, and Cowles at Jack's to accelerate their learning pace.Kawasaki started with paddleboards and then transitioned to a narrow board.Kawasaki's surf instructor established the pecking order in surfing, with paddleboarding being beneath prone surfing.Kawasaki found the hardest part of surfing to be knowing where to sit and when to turn.Surfing's impact on Kawasaki's lifeKawasaki surfs every day and finds it to be the most fun they can have legally.Kawasaki has Meniere's disease, which causes sporadic attacks of vertigo, tinnitus, and hearing loss, but they still took up ice hockey and surfing.Kawasaki sees surfing as a challenge and a way to prove that they can do things despite what others may say.Kawasaki's dream is to be able to take four steps and hang 10 on the nose, but they are currently only able to take two steps.Kawasaki's writing and surfingKawasaki believes they are a better writer than a surfer.Kawasaki's book is succinct and to the point, explaining complex concepts in a simple manner.Kawasaki's writing style is influenced by their experience in surfing, using surfing metaphors to explain life concepts.Life lessons from surfingKawasaki believes that one should not wait for the perfect wave or opportunity in life, but rather take action and make decisions even if they are wrong.Kawasaki sees luck as planting a lot of seeds and being prepared to take advantage of opportunities when they arise.Kawasaki's deafness in the water has some advantages, such as not being distracted by others yelling at them in the lineup.Kawasaki's focus and concentration come from a form of OCD that allows them to lose touch with reality and be in a zone when they are focused on something.Kawasaki's dry land training for surfingKawasaki practices pop-ups and constantly increases flexibility as part of their dry land training.Kawasaki's goal is to hang 10 and then drop dead right after, as a way to achieve their dream.Kawasaki has seen dead bodies being taken off the beach at Jack's and believes that is how they will be taken out if they achieve their goal.Commonalities among Remarkable People podcast guestsThe commonality among the 250 guests of Remarkable People podcast is that to be remarkable, one needs to have a growth mindset, be willing to pay the price, be gritty, and be gracious.Grit is the ability to do something when one is not necessarily getting positive results or enjoying it, but is willing to pay the price.Grace is the realization that one is successful in life and fortunate because of the help of teachers, coaches, mentors, and bosses, and the moral obligation to pay back society by opening doors for others.Grace in the surfing worldKawasaki believes that the better one is at surfing, the more gracious they should be.Kawasaki has a theory that the middle ground is where one lacks grace, as they may feel like the big dog and try to take every wave.Kawasaki admires surfers like Joel Tudor who surf gracefully and do not yell at others, even if they are dropped in on.Compassion as a combination of empathy and gritKawasaki defines compassion as going from empathy to actually doing something for the other person.Kawasaki believes that a compassionate person does something, while an empathetic person just feels something.Kawasaki's definition of Ikigai is doing something that one is not good at, cannot get paid for, and may hate, but still does because they love it.Ellen Langer's influence on KawasakiEllen Langer made the observation that one should make their decisions right, rather than trying to make the right decision.Kawasaki applies this to surfing by turning and burning and making the decision right, which means compensating by turning the board or paddling harder or softer.Kawasaki believes that making decisions right is a prescription for how to lead a remarkable life.Meditation and Buddhism in Kawasaki's lifeKawasaki does not practice meditation and is not a meditator, but believes that they were born with the ability to focus on something.Kawasaki has a statue in the background of their sound studio, but it is not related to Buddhism.Kawasaki is constantly experimenting with different backgrounds for their sound studio, spending hours trying to make it perfect.Message from Kawasaki's most recent bookKawasaki hopes that people realize that it's not about deciding to be remarkable, but rather making a difference and making the world a better place.Kawasaki believes that people will think one is remarkable if they make the world a better place, rather than the other way around.Kawasaki's focus is not on being remarkable, but on making a difference.TranscriptionMichael Frampton Welcome back to the Surf Mastery podcast. I am your host, Michael Frampton, and today's guest is Guy Kawasaki. You may have heard that name. He's very famous in Silicon Valley, especially for his early role and involvement with Apple. He's gone on to do a lot of projects since then. Too many to mention in this short intro, but one of his most recent projects is a very successful 200-plus episode podcast called Remarkable People, and he recently released a new book called Think Remarkable. Based on those interviews, and the main reason that I wanted to get him on the show is because he started surfing at 60. Yes, six zero. Started surfing at 60. So yes, Guy has a very unique perspective on beginning surfing, and I was very excited when he accepted the invite to come on the show, and he did not disappoint. So without further ado, I will fade in my conversation with Guy Kawasaki. Hello, Guy, how are you?Guy Kawasaki I'm good. I can hear you now. Yes.Michael Frampton Excellent. And I've got you. Right. And it's recording. It looks like all the technical stuff is out of the way.Guy Kawasaki Don't get overconfident. The day is young.Michael Frampton It sure is. Well, and your lust for surfing. That's also quite young. Starting at 60. My gosh, that is. That's very late in life to start surfing. What inspired you to start?Guy Kawasaki What inspired me was that my daughter in particular became an avid and competitive surfer. And I kind of have a different parenting perspective and philosophy. I think many parents, what they do is they inadvertently or advertently force their kids to take up what they're interested in. So if you're a golfer, your kid's golf, you're a surfer, your kid's surf. If you are a, I don't know, physicist, your kids take up physics or violin or whatever. Yeah, in my family it worked differently. So rather than forcing the kids to take up what I loved, they would force me to take up—wait, I said that wrong—rather than I take up what I could—speak English. English is my first language—rather than me forcing them to take up what I love, I let they determine what I should take up based on what they love. And so they loved surfing and they loved hockey. So I took up hockey at 44, and I took up surfing at 60 because that's what my kids are into.Michael Frampton Oh, I love that, you're a good dad and that's an awesome philosophy and I actually have the same philosophy. My kids got into football when they were quite young, and I just started playing with them, even though I never grew up playing it. I never liked the game, but now I actually love the game and have a strong appreciation for it.Guy Kawasaki So when you say football, you mean American oblong football or European-like round waffle? Oh okay. Okay. Soccer.Michael Frampton Yeah.Guy Kawasaki Because if you took up American football at a late age, it's hard to get 20, 21 other guys out there with helmets killing each other so.Michael Frampton Oh yeah. It's a rough sport. I mean, I grew up playing rugby, so I'm no stranger to that sort of world. But, it's not something you do when you're a—or certainly not something you take up when you're older. It's a brutal sport.Guy Kawasaki So I think.Michael Frampton That thing can be pretty brutal, too. I mean, I'm sure you've had some gnarly wipeouts in your learning curve.Guy Kawasaki Well, listen, my sweet spot is maybe 3 to 4 at the most. Okay? Like, I am perfectly happy at 1 to 2 ft. My daughter surfs at Mavericks and stuff, but that's not me, but I will tell you that, there have been times where in, like, a one-foot wave, I fall down and I lose perspective and reference and I'm like paddling, trying to get back up to the surface and I hit my head on the bottom because I was going the wrong way. I've done some very kooky things, I assure you.Michael Frampton So I'm interested to know, like, you're a smart guy. I'm sure when you decided to start surfing, what was your first entry point like? Did you get a lesson with someone? Did you just buy a board and jump in? How did you go about it?Guy Kawasaki Listen, when you start surfing at 60, well, one would hope that in 60 years you've acquired some kind of street smartness. So you figure out that, you're just not going to go to Costco and buy $150 board and then go out to Mavericks and decide to surf and, you know, with your goggles and your GoPro and your helmet and your zinc on your face. So the first thing I did was I took lessons. I took lessons in Hawaii, I took lessons in India, I took lessons in Santa Cruz. I took lessons at Cowell's and at Jacks. I kind of figured out that, when you start that late, you've got to accelerate the pace. And the way to accelerate the pace is to get instruction. Not by hanging out with Groms all day, trying to surf during the summer.Michael Frampton Yeah. So you sort many different opinions on instructions as well. That's a great strategy. Was there one particular lesson that stood out to you?Guy Kawasaki Every lesson was difficult. I started paddle surfing. I don't know why I started paddle surfing, but anyway, so I started with paddle boards and then a surf instructor here in Santa Cruz who was coaching my daughter at the time, he definitely established the—should I say—pecking order in surfing, and let's just say that paddle boarding is beneath prone surfing. And so it was a constant humiliation. So at one point I just got tired of being humiliated. And I said, all right, so throw away the paddle, give me a narrow board, and off I go. He, for months, was pushing me into waves, because I don't know, to this day, I think the hardest thing in surfing is knowing where to sit and when to turn. It's just like I barely understand it, and when I'm out there and I'm with experienced surfers and they turn and they catch a wave that I don't even see the wave. I'm like, what are they turning for? And then not only that, they turn and they catch a wave that I barely can see. And they only paddle twice and I'm paddling like freaking 50, 60 times trying to get up there, it's a different world.Michael Frampton Oh, it sure is. And you nailed it. I mean, no matter what level of surfer you are, getting into the wave or choosing the right wave and getting into it in the right spot, that's always the hardest part. Because once you're standing up, once you're standing up on the right part of the wave, surfing is really simple and quite easy.Guy Kawasaki Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a mystery to me. With surfing, there are so many variables, right? I mean, there's the wave. Well, even the wave, there's the height, there's the direction, there's the speed. Are you at the peak, are you on the shoulder. That's just the wave. And then you're going to think of the wind and you got to think of the other kooks in the water and then you got to worry about, we have a ten-inch fin and it's, it's negative one tide and all the kelp is sticking out. So that's not going to work. Well I mean there's so many variables. It's such a cerebral sport.Michael Frampton Oh yeah. Now has—and if so how has—surfing made your life better?Guy Kawasaki Oh absolutely. I mean, I surf every day. In fact, today I might surf twice. And here's like a Guy Kawasaki typical kind of story. So I have Ménière's disease. Ménière's disease has three symptoms, which is, sporadic attacks of vertigo, tinnitus, which is the ringing in your ear, and hearing loss. And so basically, my ears are all messed up, and it's not surfer ears or anything like that because I have only been surfing ten years, so it's not from surfing. This is a pre-existing condition. So if you said to somebody if you have middle ear issues and vertigo and deafness and tinnitus and all that kind of stuff, why don't you take up ice hockey and surfing? That's the perfect sports for you. The two sports that require balance the most I took up with the bad ears, huh?Michael Frampton Wow. So you like when someone tells you you can't do something that you see as a challenge?Guy Kawasaki I didn't listen. I mean, people have told me that I cannot do a lot of things, and quite frankly, they were right. So it's not a matter of proving them wrong. I will just say that, like the first time I played ice hockey, and the first time I actually caught a wave an…

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    96 Nic Laidlaw - From Hawaii to Home: How the Ocean Connected Me to My True Self Jun 25, 2024
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    96 Nic Laidlaw - From Hawaii to Home: How the Ocean Connected Me to My True Self Surf Mastery Podcast Download What if true health, strength, and wisdom didn’t come from hustle culture—but from saltwater, stillness, and honest self-reflection?In this powerful episode, Nic Laidlaw opens up about the healing power of surfing, parenting three boys, and his transformation from competitive surfer to movement mentor and retreat leader. Whether you're recovering from injury, rethinking your lifestyle, or questioning modern definitions of masculinity, Nic’s insights will shift your perspective on what it really means to be a healthy human.Learn how Nic recovered from a major knee injury using holistic tools like breathwork, nutrition, and cold therapDiscover why nature—not hustle—should be your foundation for health, strength, and masculinityExplore the value of surf retreats, mentorship, and spiritual connection in shaping the next generationTap play now and discover how to build deeper health, purpose, and stoke—through surfing, self-awareness, and slowing down.Nic's website: https://www.balancedstudio.com.auNic's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/balancedstudio/?hl=enNic's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzvueZRjFkiDFuk1Ial0OqgKey PointsInfluence from studying with Paul Cech and the impact of his holistic and nuanced approach to health and wellness.Importance of leadership by example, particularly in parenting, as emphasized by Nic and his approach to mentoring young men.Nic's recent knee injuries, recovery process, and the accelerated healing regimen he followed, including physical therapy and lifestyle adjustments.Nic's approach to running health retreats, emphasizing holistic wellness, connection with nature, and the importance of nutrition.The impact of influential figures like Tom Cowell on Nic's life and work, highlighting the value of mentorship and community in personal growth.Discussion on the crisis of masculinity and the importance of celebrating and teaching traditional masculine values in a balanced and healthy way.Reflection on big wave surfing as an initiation into manhood, emphasizing the lessons learned from pushing personal limits and confronting fears.Nic's journey from competitive surfing to establishing his own studio, driven by the desire to surf every day and work with people. OutlineSurfing and Personal GrowthNic shared their transformative experience of going to Hawaii at 17, which significantly impacted their perspective and relationship with nature.Nic emphasized the powerful influence of the ocean and nature on personal growth and self-awareness.Surf Mastery Coaching ProgramMichael introduced a six-week online coaching course focused on the fundamentals of surfing, aimed at self-taught intermediate surfers and applicable to all levels.The course is a summary of lessons learned through years of experience as a surf coach and personal surfing journey.Surfboards and Surfing LocationsNic and Michael discussed various surfboards, including Gary McNeil boards and their personal experiences with different models.They shared experiences surfing in locations like San Diego, Encinitas, and the east coast of Australia, highlighting the unique characteristics of each location.Paul Cech's Influence and TeachingsNic discussed the impact of studying with Paul Cech, emphasizing the importance of foundational principles in health, movement, and lifestyle.Nic highlighted the concept of being a 'wounded healer' and the need for a nuanced, non-linear approach to health and wellness.Parenting and LeadershipNic and Michael discussed the importance of leading by example in parenting, emphasizing that children emulate parental behavior more than verbal instructions.They shared their experiences and philosophies on raising children, including the value of exposing them to nature and fostering a love for the ocean.Injury Recovery and Health PracticesNic detailed their recovery process from a knee injury, including a full MCL tear and partial ACL and PCL tears, and the importance of consistent movement and health practices.They discussed the use of ice baths, saunas, breathwork, and nutrition in their recovery regimen.Retreats and Health OptimizationNic explained their approach to running health and wellness retreats, focusing on embodiment of principles, connection with nature, and community.They discussed the integration of movement, nutrition, and breathwork in their retreats, aiming to help participants optimize their health and well-being.Influences and MentorshipNic mentioned influential figures in their life, including Paul Cech, Ido Portal, and Tom Cowell, highlighting their impact on Nic's personal and professional growth.They emphasized the importance of seeking out mentors and the value of community and support in personal development.Masculinity and Cultural BalanceNic and Michael discussed the crisis of masculinity and the importance of celebrating and balancing masculine and feminine strengths within society.They highlighted the role of nature and physical challenges, such as big wave surfing, in the initiation and growth of young men.Personal Aspirations and LifestyleNic shared their aspiration to surf every day and the importance of carving out a lifestyle that allows for personal passions and family well-being.They discussed the concept of true wealth as health, exercise, and organic food, rather than material possessions.TranscriptionNic Laidlaw My biggest one was going to Hawaii when I was 17. I felt like I just came back a different person. Because it was in that six weeks, there's just so many times where I pushed myself beyond where I thought I'd go. The relationship that I formed with the ocean, it never failed to make me feel so small in the scheme of things that it feels like it really puts you in your place. So that's like, I'll speak of that with my relationship to the ocean and to nature in general. It's like, it's so powerful that it's hard to actually measure how powerful it is. But you don't know until you're in an ocean that's big enough to squish you if it wanted to.Michael Frampton Welcome back to the Surf Mastery Podcast. That is a couple of quotes from Nic Laidlaw, today's guest. Nic is a health coach, a movement coach, a ridiculously good surfer, a father, and a man full of wisdom. We discuss health and wellness, Paul Cech, leadership, parenting, connecting with nature, injury recovery—knees in particular—health retreats, mentors, masculinity, big wave surfing as an initiation to manhood, plus much more. You can follow and find out more about Nic at Balanced Studio on Instagram and balancedstudio.com.au. And of course, links to all that in the show notes. But before I fade in that interview, I want to let you guys know about my coaching program which starts next week. It's a six-week online coaching course teaching the fundamentals of surfing, mainly targeted to the self-taught intermediate but applicable for all levels. And it's a summary of all of the lessons that I've learned through doing this podcast and working on my own surfing and as a surf coach over the last 10 years. Spaces are limited. It is already half full, so if you are interested, to find out more just go to surfmastery.com, and of course links in the show notes. But without further ado... I will give you my conversation with Nic Laidlaw. Take care, man. Good, how are you?Nic Laidlaw Good thanks, I recognise that surfboard.Michael Frampton Far, yeah.Nic Laidlaw Gary McNeil? Is that right?Michael Frampton It sure is. A surfer's eye is always drawn to that.Nic Laidlaw Shape. Yeah, 100%. And then that right-hand rip bowl in the background. Ha.Michael Frampton Yeah, that board... It's been a while, bro. It's been ages. I was living in Avalon when I bought that board. It was... yeah. It is a gem, you know, it was just the stock board. It was just on the shelf at Ripco Narrabeen.Nic Laidlaw Yeah, I'll get one day again, McNeil, for sure. I love all the sacred geometry and all the principles he speaks about. It's so.Michael Frampton Awesome. Yeah. I actually had a different one that I bought from Patagonia in San Diego, a different model, slightly bigger one. And I left it on the sidewalk outside. I was surfing Swamis in San Diego. I was getting changed and it was busy and I had other boards in the car. And I drove off and I said, no, I left that board on the sidewalk. Did a U-turn, came back, it was gone. So someone out there—however long it took me to drive around the block. But you know what it's like, you know what it's like, you can't just do it. There's a...Nic Laidlaw Yeah, you got to get back on the highway pretty...Michael Frampton Much. Okay, yeah, you got it. So it would have taken me at least seven minutes probably.Nic Laidlaw That's awesome. Devastating.Michael Frampton So someone out there has a Gary McNeil that they picked up for free. I hope they're enjoying it.Nic Laidlaw Guiltily shredding it. Those bastards. That would suit the energy of those waves over there, yeah.Michael Frampton Hey. Yeah, for sure. Everyone's into alternative boards over there.Nic Laidlaw Well, it seems a bit, especially that part of the coast in like from Carlsbad or even a bit further down there. It feels like it's just a bit softer, maybe. Or maybe that was just the energy that I got when I was there. But it just feels like a little bit slopier, a little bit slower moving waves than what I'm used to.Michael Frampton It's different. Perhaps. Yeah, it's definitely a bit more gentle than the east coast of Australia. User-friendly is a bit of a word. Yeah, that's...Nic Laidlaw It. Yeah, I reckon. Sick fun. I had so many fun waves down there around Encinitas and even further towards Mexico. Yeah, so much fun.Michael Frampton Yeah, it's paradise around that part of the world.Nic Laidlaw It is. It is. It's a really good setup.Michael Frampton Yeah, not just for surfing, just the vibes and everything.Nic Laidlaw Yeah. No, my wife Maddie and I traveled there because I went there to San Diego to study with Paul Cech. And so we spent like six weeks just traveling up the coast and back down again and it was so much fun. We both had heaps of fun waves. I took, so we took...Michael Frampton What board were you riding? And you were surfing over there then?Nic Laidlaw Because it wasn't just a surfing trip, we did like state parks and went into the cities and just explored around. So we took two boards. I took a like a 6'2", kind of thick single fin. And then we had a five and really wide, really flat twinny that could be converted into a quad. So it was kind of like Maddie and I could both ride either of those boards. Yeah. And I spent most of the time on the twinny that could be converted into a quad. Frank Tachibana shaped both of them, and he's a mate of mine and hand-shaped them both. And they're fun boards. I still ride his Fishes and his Shorties, so they're epic. And I probably have gone a bit—if I was there again, I'd probably ride more of like a long fish, I reckon. For those points around Santa Cruz and stuff. Yeah, good call. Pleasure Point. Yeah, I'd probably have a long fish these days if I was back there again. I did some body surfing too. We had such fun, just a fun time. Yeah. California was really good to...Michael Frampton Us. Yeah. So you were there doing the Paul Cech stuff. What's the biggest takeaway from doing the Paul Cech stuff?Nic Laidlaw Well, every time I've studied with Paul Cech face-to-face... He kind of reiterates a similar sentiment of like, you hear... because you want to help people and you want to help, you know, with the healing process of people or the optimization of your client's health. But what we're really here for is, you know? And so he pretty much uses the foundation principles that he teaches, whether it's about the scientific movement principles or whether it's the holistic lifestyle principles. The principles of health are very basic. It's like the mental, emotional, and the thought process. It's hydration. It's the rhythms that we sleep in. It's the breathing. It's the movement. It's the nutrition. That's our chemistry. So he'll kind of lay down those foundations and see how it applies to you with a series of, you know, sharmatic work, breath work, infant development, movement patterns, obviously nutrition, gut health and all of those things and just applies protocols to you and asks a lot of questions of you in order to understand your own physiology a lot better. And then... yeah, then the idea is to pretty much open the textbook when you get home and see how you can further delve into those principles and share them with your clients. So that was a long way of answering. I think the biggest takeaway is like full acceptance that we're all wounded healers, you know? So like that's... and he exemplifies that with every word that he speaks, you know? So that we're all on our own journey and that we don't need to be like perfect or we don't need to know everything in order to help other people. Another thing is it's a very nuanced world and we need to stop thinking in a linear way—pathway—just like we need to stop moving in a linear pathway. And how you do anything is how you do everything, so just broadening our ideas and our headspace to a more nuanced existence. And then, you know, that was in 2015–16. Since then we had children, crazy bushfires in Australia, we had all the whole COVID debacle, and it's like that really put me in good stead just to be able to sit back and watch and just be accepting of other people's views and behaviors, whether it's along the same line of my thinking or not. You know, it's just that there's a... everything starts with Paul Cech with the yin and the yang. And that's why I've got that on the logo of my own business as well, because it's such a broadly painted brush, that symbol, that symbology. But it's so deep in its essence that you just cannot have one existing, dancing, coexisting without the other. You know, we need the sun to be setting for us to rest and regenerate so that we can go and get it the next day. We need the winter cooler months so we can go and really send it and get, you know, put ourselves on the line and get pitted and have a really nice rugged winter. Then we can come into summer and just cruise. And, you know, we need the fiery relationships in order to cater to our softer side. Like it's all... it's like a fully embodied concept. And he's spent a lot of his life studying the yin-yang philosophy. And I just think that applies to everything, you know? And so he's imparted that in a really broad way to me just to help me being less dogmatic. I think as humans, we're drawn to like wanting a parameter to work or work with or to work to have us guide us. He just blows that out the window and is like, "No, sorry. It's not that easy." You need to be—it's not need to be—but it might be helpful to be more open. More open than that, you know, less discerning than that. You know, discernment is certainly something he's very good at, because he doesn't suffer fools. But at the same time, it's just like, it's not as... it's not the easiest path to walk and live and talk and, you know, with a truly open mind and an open approach and a curious approach to things. But, from the living example of how I'm trying to do it and how I'm trying to impart that on my children. And to a certain degree, the studio that I run. You know? And it's…

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    95 Oscar Hetherington - Award Winning Surf Photographer Apr 11, 2024
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    95 Oscar Hetherington - Award Winning Surf Photographer Surf Mastery Podcast Download Think great surf photos are just about timing the barrel? Think again—what if the real magic happens before the wave even breaks?Oscar Hetherington shares how photography sharpened his wave reading, elevated his surfing, and deepened his obsession with adventure. From the snowy points of the South Island to international recognition with the Follow the Light award, Oscar explains how slowing down, observing the ocean, and embracing the full surf journey—not just the ride—can transform your surf experience.Learn why most surfers blow good sessions before they even paddle out—and how to fix itDiscover how photography can teach you better wave selection, rhythm, and positioningHear the behind-the-scenes of cold water shoots, hypothermia, and winning global surf awardsHit play now to see surfing through a fresh lens and uncover the mindset shift that could elevate every session you paddle into.Website: https://www.oscarhetheringtonvisuals.comInsta: https://www.instagram.com/oscar.hetherington/?hl=enMusic: Original by Joe Cole. Check out Joe: https://www.instagram.com/joecolemusic/, https://open.spotify.com/artist/5TjI5d408YMuLi17W0OP9BKey PointsOscar Hetherington began surfing at the age of seven or eight in Queensland, Australia, and continued the sport despite moving to Wanaka, far from the coast.Oscar Hetherington has been passionate about photography since he was young, starting with a GoPro and later moving to Sony equipment, influenced by his love for adventure and sports.Oscar Hetherington's photography gained recognition through his work shooting mountain bike events, leading to his entry into surf photography and eventually winning the Follow the Light Surf Photography Awards.Winning the Follow the Light Surf Photography Awards has opened up opportunities for Oscar Hetherington, including a planned trip with Billabong.Oscar Hetherington emphasizes the adventure aspect of surfing in his photography, seeking out undiscovered spots and focusing on the journey rather than just the waves.Oscar Hetherington finds that shooting surf photography enhances his surfing skills by improving his wave reading and selection, contributing to a more comprehensive understanding of the sport.Oscar Hetherington identifies rushing and poor wave selection as common mistakes among beginner and intermediate surfers, advocating for a more deliberate and observational approach to surfing.Oscar Hetherington recounts a challenging experience of mild hypothermia while shooting surf photography in cold conditions, emphasizing the importance of proper equipment and preparation.Oscar Hetherington expresses a strong interest in exploration and adventure, both in his photography and surfing, aiming to visit and document lesser-known surf spots around the world.Oscar Hetherington aspires to work with National Geographic and create a photo book documenting his adventures and surf experiences in unique, less-visited locations. OutlineOscar Hetherington's BackgroundOscar Hetherington is a surfer and photographer from New Zealand.Oscar started surfing at the age of seven or eight in Queensland, Australia, near Noosa.Oscar's family, including their father and brother, also engaged in outdoor activities like kite surfing and rugby.Oscar has always been creative, with interests in drawing, painting, and photography from a young age.Oscar's first camera was a GoPro, followed by a Nikon D3000, and currently uses Sony a7R III and a7R IV cameras.Oscar's Photography CareerOscar began gaining recognition for their photography skills by shooting videos of mountain biking events.Oscar entered the Follow the Light Surf Photography Awards and won the grand prize in 2023.Oscar's photography portfolio includes surf action, lifestyle, portrait, and seascape images.Oscar is set to embark on a trip with Billabong, a leading surf brand, to create content and collaborate with their athletes and creatives.Surfing and PhotographyOscar enjoys capturing the adventure and culture of surfing, not just the action shots.Oscar spends time researching and planning surf trips using tools like Google Meet to find new waves and swell patterns.Oscar often shoots when the surf conditions are great, reserving surfing for when the conditions are merely good.Oscar believes that shooting surfing has improved their own surfing skills by enhancing their wave reading and timing.Oscar emphasizes the importance of slowing down and being selective with wave choices in both surfing and photography.Learning and Improvement in SurfingOscar highlights the value of watching the ocean and other surfers to learn and improve surfing skills.Oscar suggests that beginners and intermediate surfers often rush and make poor wave selections.Oscar practices self-reflection after each wave to identify areas for improvement in their surfing.Oscar varies their surfing equipment, such as trying different boards, to keep the activity interesting and improve their skills.Oscar emphasizes the importance of choosing the right surfboard for the conditions to enhance performance and enjoyment.Adventure and ExplorationOscar values the adventure and exploration aspect of surfing, seeking out new and undiscovered waves.Oscar has had experiences of finding perfect waves by driving to less crowded spots and using tools like Google Meet to plan trips.Oscar is inspired by the idea of traveling to remote and unique locations for surfing and photography adventures.Oscar mentions the influence of photographers like Nick Green, who capture waves in uncharted territories.Oscar expresses interest in creating a book or project documenting an adventurous surf trip to a unique destination.Future GoalsOscar feels a sense of increased pressure to continue producing amazing imagery after winning the Follow the Light award.Oscar aspires to be recognized or collaborate with National Geographic, aiming to capture timeless and iconic images.Oscar's main focus in photography is on surfing and seascapes, but they are open to shooting anything that inspires them.Oscar has a goal of creating a significant adventure project, potentially a book, documenting a unique surf trip to a remote location.TranscriptionMichael Frampton Back to the Surf Mastery Podcast. Today's guest is Oscar Hetherington. Oscar is a surfer and photographer from here in New Zealand, and Oscar came into my awareness last year when I saw his amazing images after he won the grand prize at the 2023 Follow the Light Surf Photography Awards, and it turns out he lives just around the corner, so we got to do this one in person. The intro and outro music was written by Joe Cole, a New Zealand musician. I gave him an early listen to this episode, and he came up with this original piece, which I love. So big thanks to Joe for doing that. You can listen to his recorded originals online on Spotify: Joe Cole, J-O-E-C-O-L-E, and Joe Cole Music on Instagram. Today's guest, Oscar Hetherington, is at oscar@scotthetherington.com on Instagram and oscarhetheringtonvisuals.com. Of course, all of that stuff is in the show notes and at surfmastery.com for the links. Bye now. Please enjoy my conversation with Oscar. When did you start surfing?Oscar Hetherington I started surfing probably I think I was seven or eight years old. Yeah, we lived in Australia for a couple of years, luckily enough. Up in Queensland near Noosa, so yeah, picked up a surfboard then. And then, yeah, 23 now and... I guess I grew up in Wanaka mainly, first of all, which is pretty far away from the coast, as you can imagine. Yeah, I guess that's when I was first introduced to surfing. But since then, every holiday we've been on, every time I've been to the beach, I've just wanted to keep surfing. No, shortboarding.Michael Frampton Basically. No, so was that longboarding?Oscar Hetherington Like I say, seven or eight years old, Dad was pushing me in on a little soft top kind of thing.Michael Frampton So Dad's a surfer?Oscar Hetherington Nah, Dad wasn't a surfer, but living in a place like Noosa, you know, he bought a board, just couldn't help himself. He started learning, I started learning, my little brother started learning. Yeah, we were all just out there as much as we could, and there's no excuse not to be in the... You know, they've got warm water and good waves to learn in over there. So that's where it all began for me, really.Michael Frampton Did it begin for your family as well from living in Noosa? Did your dad keep surfing? Did your brothers keep surfing?Oscar Hetherington My brother still surfs just for fun. Yeah, he's more focused on rugby and other things. Dad is quite into kite surfing. Yeah, he's always been keen on anything in the outdoors—skiing, sailing. Yeah, gave surfing a go, anything outdoors he loves. So yeah, he still kite surfs, but he doesn't surf anymore. So out of the family, it's mainly me, I guess, who's addicted to it. Yeah.Michael Frampton Yeah. And then what about art?Oscar Hetherington I've always been pretty creative, like from a young age, I don't know. Just curious and liked drawing, painting. I remember picking up a camera when I was probably 11 or 12 years old and just curious about how they made movies, how photos were taken, you know, all sorts of stuff like that. I probably didn't appreciate art when I was young, but I was just curious on like how it was made, how people made movies—from like the special effects to how they filmed the action stuff. Yeah. All of that.Michael Frampton Did you have a favourite director or a favourite movie or a favourite photographer, artist back then?Oscar Hetherington Not really, no. I think I was too young. Like I say, I was just curious on all of it and how it worked. Like, yeah, you'd watch a movie and there'd be some shots where I'd just think, like, how did they do that? Like, was it a drone or a helicopter or a gimbal or like, a lot of it was movie stuff. But yeah, I guess I was too young to kind of think too deeply into how. Well, to understand how it was actually done and have favorites and things. Yeah, I'd say that's probably the best way to put it.Michael Frampton That, yeah. So you were in awe of cinematography?Oscar Hetherington Yeah. And just like, yeah, watching any type of sport really—from rugby to surfing to diving—you know, all of that stuff, you'd watch it and just go far out, that looks amazing. Like, I want to go and do that activity first of all, but then how do you show other people kind of the things you get up to and the adventures and the stories behind the sport, I guess. Yeah. Initially, like, I started shooting... It was nothing to do with photography really. It was, like I say, in Wanaka once again, going on adventures, going skiing and fishing and mountain biking, all of that. It was going to amazing places, seeing amazing things, doing sports in the mountains and wanting to show friends at school, wanting to show Mum and Dad, hey, this is amazing snow we scored or check out this fish we caught or whatever. And then, yeah, taking photos kind of and videos of stuff like that. And then... Yeah, after a while it kind of... I don't know, everywhere I went, I was just carrying a camera going like, just looking at the world a bit differently, I guess, as well.Michael Frampton What was your first camera?Oscar Hetherington I had a GoPro to start with when I was 11 or 12 years old, and then I had a Nikon D3000, I think it was, from memory.Michael Frampton Yeah, just the entry-level SLR.Oscar Hetherington Yeah, nothing special. It was second-hand off Trade Me for my 14th or 15th birthday kind of thing. Yeah, and then, yeah, had that for a few years and then just sort of slowly upgraded to where I'm at now, yeah.Michael Frampton What are you using now?Oscar Hetherington Now I'm using all Sony. So I shoot with a Sony a7R III and a Sony a7R IV mainly. And yeah, just Sony lenses as well. And then in the water, I shoot with the Aquatech housing.Michael Frampton Nice. Yeah. When was your first recognition of that, how you were actually doing pretty well at photography or filming?Oscar Hetherington A few times we went away on fishing trips or mountain biking, like you'd go away for Easter weekend or whatever, and then I remember cutting up like a little, I don't know, two-minute mountain bike video, posting it on YouTube, and then you go to school next week and a few people are like, that was a crazy video, like, I saw what you got up to on the weekend. And then I guess that kind of gave me a little bit of confidence. I probably, yeah, made a few edits over a year or so. And then I actually contacted a family friend of ours who runs a mountain bike race and just said, hey, can I come and shoot this whole event for free, just to like see if I can, you know, shoot a day's worth of content and make like a recap video for the event? And that went well. I remember staying up till like two in the morning editing the day of the event, put it up online like nine o'clock the morning after. And everyone from the event was just waking up, checking Facebook and being like, my God, there's like a video out already. Like I just put my heart and soul into it. And then a lot of people just from that were like, this is like super cool. And I guess, yeah, no one had shot that event before. Yeah, I guess cameras weren't... That would have been, I think, 2015?Michael Frampton Like... What year was that?Oscar Hetherington Yeah, so cameras were around for sure, but people had shot stills of that event, but they'd never shot a video of it. I think it was just something different and people were just stoked. And yeah, I had people from, friends from school, family, friends, all sorts of people. I think even one of the local newspapers rang me up and was like, hey, that was such a cool video, and they put it on their website or a few things like that. So that was, yeah, positive encouragement. And then from then on, I guess it slowly built. The next mountain bike race I was kind of like, hey, do you guys need someone to film a little video for you? I've done this one before. And then, yeah, it's just built from there, I guess. So that was for the Follow the Light.Michael Frampton Cool. Because, I mean, this year you got recognized in the surf world for your work. So what did that feel like?Oscar Hetherington Foundation Awards. That was crazy. That was... yeah, it was a strange thing, I guess. Growing up in Wanaka, I was never that close to the ocean, so I could never shoot surfing that often. When I went to university, I decided, right, I'm going to go to Dunedin. There are good waves down there, I can study and just shoot as much as I can. So I went down there, and I think my first year down there I got a few cool shots, whatever, found out those Follow the Light Foundation Awards were on, entered a few and got a bit of feedback. Most of it was positive. And I kind of thought, like, this is quite cool. And, like, the list of the people that had won that award in the past, like Nick Green, Ray Collins, Chris Burkard... there's just a never-ending list of people that have won it. So then I guess every year my kind of goal was to just take a few better photos solely for that portfolio. Yeah, so they always ask for 15 images, and I had 15 good ones four years ago. Then a year later when it was time to enter again, I'd go, right, which ones can I swap out? And for a couple of years there, I'd swap out most of them. Then two years ago, I made it into the top 10, and I thought, right, I'm doing something right, heading in the right direction here and whatnot. And then last year I made it into the top 5, and I was like…

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    94 Iain "Ratso" Buchanan - The Eternal Grom Feb 19, 2024
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    94 Iain "Ratso" Buchanan - The Eternal Grom Surf Mastery Podcast Download Can you stay surf-stoked into your 60s—and still out-paddle the groms? Iain “Ratso” Buchanan proves it’s possible.This episode dives into the life and lessons of one of New Zealand’s most accomplished surfers and coaches. From humble beginnings and DIY wetsuits to judging the WSL’s best, Ratso shares how to extend your surfing life, read the ocean like a pro, and why so many surfers—especially beginners—are missing the most important skills.Learn what actually holds back New Zealand surfers and how to level up by heading across the ditchHear untold stories of surf culture evolution—from rugby jerseys to custom twin-finsDiscover life-saving advice for adult learners, including the #1 ocean skill you must master firstPress play now to learn how a lifelong frother stays sharp, safe, and stoked—and how you can too.Iain's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ratsonz/?hl=enSurf Shop: https://lionrocksurfshop.comMusic: Fernweh by NachurKey PointsIan Buchanan's lifelong passion for surfing, starting from his early years in Christchurch, and his diverse roles in the surfing industry including competitor, coach, shaper, and judge, were discussed.The evolution of wetsuit technology from the 60s to the present, including homemade wetsuits and the current ease of access to high-quality, affordable wetsuits, was explored.Ian's advice for young New Zealand surfers to improve their skills by traveling to Australia, where the level of competition and wave quality is higher, was emphasized.The importance of swimming ability and understanding ocean conditions for adult learners in surfing was highlighted, with Ian sharing his experience and advice.Ian discussed the influence of experienced surfers, particularly older ones, in reading the ocean and navigating challenging conditions, citing examples of surfers he admires.Ian shared his current favorite surfboard, a 5'7 20 with a stabilizer, and his experimentation with different board designs and materials, emphasizing the importance of local craftsmanship.The best and worst surfing advice Ian has received, emphasizing the importance of surfing within one's comfort zone and avoiding dangerous conditions, was discussed. OutlineIan Buchanan's Background and Passion for SurfingIan Buchanan, born in the 60s, started surfing in the early 70s and has been deeply involved in the surfing industry ever since.Ian has been a long-time judge for the WSL, a five-time national champion in New Zealand during the 80s, shapes surfboards, owns a surf shop, and was the New Zealand national team coach.Ian was on the world tour as a competitor when younger and was crowned the Grand Master World Champ in 2011.Ian's passion for surfing began at an early age, leaving high school at 15 to pursue surfing full-time.Ian moved to Australia at 16, where they faced high unemployment and started working at Genius Surfboards in Cronulla.Wetsuit Technology in the 60sIn the 60s, wetsuit technology for young surfers was minimal, often consisting of long Johns with a vest underneath.Surfers would make their own booties and gloves from sheets of rubber purchased from dive shops.Before wetsuits, surfers wore rugby jerseys to stay warm in cold water.Ian's Current Relationship with SurfingIan surfs almost every day, describing themselves as a 'grommet at heart'.Ian's friends often tease them about their passion for surfing.Ian surfs multiple times a day, regardless of conditions, and has been very lucky with injuries throughout their career.Ian's Surfing LongevityIan attributes their surfing longevity to following their heart and pursuing what they love.Ian's marriage ended, and they traveled to Europe, following their passion for surfing.Ian has made many connections in Australia, which have helped in their surfing career, including board making and judging.Ian's Advice for Young SurfersIan advises young New Zealand surfers to travel to Australia to take their surfing to the next level.Ian mentions that all successful New Zealand surfers, such as Maz, Randy Mason, and Paige, have spent time in Australia.Ian emphasizes the importance of the quality and consistency of waves in Australia for improving surfing skills.Ian's Experience as a WSL JudgeIan describes the experience of judging WSL events as amazing and surreal, seeing the highest level of surfing live.Ian notes that the level of surfing raises every year and that surfers go much faster on waves than the average person realizes.Ian highlights the importance of learning to surf different types of waves and reading the ocean to improve one's surfing.Ian's Most Intense Surfing ExperienceIan's most intense surfing experience was at Sunset, where they got beaten by a wave and had to climb their leg rope to reach the surface.Ian also mentions memorable waves in Tahiti, J-Bay, and Hawaii, particularly Sunset.Advice for Adult Learners in SurfingIan emphasizes the importance of having a good level of swimming ability before learning to surf.Ian advises adult learners to be aware of their abilities and not to surf in conditions beyond their skill level.Ian shares a personal experience of having to swim in after breaking their leash in challenging conditions.Surfers Ian AdmiresIan admires surfers like John, Medina, Dane Reynolds, and several other top performers for their incredible maneuvers and wave negotiation skills.Ian respects the older generation of surfers for their experience and ability to read the ocean, citing examples like Peter Cole and Kelly Slater.Ian highlights the rise in the level of women's surfing and the surge of young talent in the sport.Ian's Current Favorite SurfboardIan's current favorite surfboard is a 5'7" 20 with a stabilizer that they made themselves.Ian has been experimenting with different boards and fins, including single fins, and has been inspired by other shapers like Greg Weber.Ian enjoys riding old boards collected by Daniel Davey, son of Bob Davey, and appreciates the craftsmanship of local shapers.Ian's Best and Worst Surfing AdviceIan's best surfing advice is to surf within one's ability and not to step out of their comfort zone unless they are comfortable with the conditions.Ian's worst surfing advice was being talked into surfing in dangerous conditions, which led to severe consequences and a negative experience.Ian advises against surfing alone, emphasizing the importance of having a partner for safety.TranscriptionMichael Frampton Welcome back to the Surf Mastery Podcast, the first episode for 2024. Just finished the summer holidays here in New Zealand. Been surfing almost every day with the kids, which has been a blessing. I actually recorded this episode with Iain Buchanan, the eternal grom, just before the school holidays. So I got a nice little hit of inspiration. Iain was born in the '60s and started surfing in the early '70s. And still... out there chasing waves, surfing multiple times a day. Even though he's been so deeply involved with surfing for so long, he's still just got this fascination with surfing. You may already know who Iain “Ratso” Buchanan is—his most famous role internationally, at least within surfing, is he's been a long-time judge for the WSL. In New Zealand during the '80s, he was five times national champ. He shapes surfboards here in New Zealand. He owns a surf shop here in New Zealand. He used to be the New Zealand national team coach. He was on the world tour as a competitor when he was younger. In 2011 he was crowned the Grand Master World Champ. The list goes on, but without further ado... I give you my conversation with Iain “Ratso” Buchanan.Michael Frampton I don't think there's anything that you haven't done in the surfing industry. You've been a high-level competitor, both young and old. Like you've coached at a high level, you shape, you've got a surf shop, you're judging. It's like, I don't think there's anything—there's nothing more left for you to do, man. Where does all this passion for surfing come from?Iain Buchanan I just knew at an early age, you know, that's all I wanted to do. I grew up in Christchurch and I... you know, it's pretty cold there in the winter and that, and I got to the point I was like, I left high school pretty early, like 15, and I passed my school certificate but I didn't hang around for university. I just couldn't fathom studying more and stuff like that. I just wanted to go surfing. I left and went to Australia. I'd just turned 16, yeah, so... I just always had the passion. I wanted to travel and go and surf the waves I was seeing in the magazines and stuff like that, and yeah, and I was interested in boards and stuff. When I was over in Australia, it was like, I was in '77 I went, you know. It was quite high unemployment there, and my sister was living over there—my older sister and her husband—they'd moved down to a place called Port Lincoln in South Australia. And they do the tuna fishing from there. And I just couldn't get any work, you know. And I was like, so I just wrote all these surfboard businesses in Australia, like on Gold Coast and Sydney and... I don't know where I’m going with that. And I got offered a job at Genius Surfboards in Cronulla. So that's how I got into that side of it. Yeah.Michael Frampton Yeah. So you started surfing in Christchurch in the '70s. What was wetsuit technology like back then?Iain Buchanan For a grommet, it was fucking zero. And I was, you know, you'd buy, like say, an extra small, you know, that might hopefully fit you. Yeah. But it was always long johns with a vest underneath, you know? Yeah. And me and my friends, a couple friends, we used to go to like a dive shop and you could buy sheets or like a square sheet of rubber and we made our own booties and gloves. That's true. Yeah, and it was with dust glue. I can stitch them up because it was so cold, but no one made a wetsuit for teenagers or kids, you know? Yeah. And we used to wear—even before that—we used to wear rugby jerseys and pretend we were warm, you know? It's like, I mean, we'd surf through winter and it's amazing none of us got hypothermia really, you know.Michael Frampton Wow. Now everyone's jumping in ice baths and sort of recreating that.Iain Buchanan Yeah, we used to go to Kaikōura in school holidays and places like that and just camp on the point in a tent for a couple of weeks at Mangamaunu and that's it. It was a good time.Michael Frampton Wow. Yeah. The barrier to entry for surfing back then was you had to want it, right? If you wanted to surf, you had to put up with some of those things.Iain Buchanan Yeah. I had a friend that I grew up across the road from me. Originally, my parents lived just inland from the beach, place of St Albans, now Māori Hill, and we actually made trailers on the back of our bikes we could put boards on to bike to the beach, you know. And we used to ride to Brighton. We used to ride to Sumner as well. So it was a fair hike, you know, for a 12-year-old grommet or whatever, a 10-year-old grommet.Michael Frampton And then we were texting last week and you're still out there chasing swell, and so do you surf every day?Iain Buchanan Pretty much. I'm still a grommet at heart, I'd say, and my friends sort of, you know, they hassle me about that.Michael Frampton Yeah. How would you describe your current relationship with surfing and the oceans?Iain Buchanan I mean, if there's waves, I'll surf as much as I can. We've had a couple of swells recently on the East Coast. I surfed three times a day, like three days in a row, you know. So, yeah, I'm pretty much a grommet, you know. I'm the biggest grommet at Piha and, yeah. I don't care if it's shitty or onshore or whatever, I just go out, you know?Michael Frampton Yeah. Has there been periods in your life where you haven't surfed much by injury or work or anything like that?Iain Buchanan That's a good question. Yes. I've been very lucky with injuries, touch wood. Most of my career I haven't had anything major at all. But yeah, I got locked into business quite a bit in Auckland, and I came back from Australia permanently sort of 1990. The guy who I teamed up with—we had the Hot Buttered agency, right? I used to work for Territory Bureau in Sydney for 12 years. And so we'd moved shop to Newmarket, which is like the prime area of retail in Auckland City, and we were probably the first kind of big-scale surf shop and it really took off, you know. We had off-street parking, which was a big factor there because it's such a hassle for parking and stuff. We actually put the surfboard factory underneath the shop, you know, so we had two levels and yeah, it was cranking. Basically, I was sort of sales repping the clothing we were doing, and we were bringing other stuff in. We were doing Burford blanks and other brands from overseas. So yeah, I was working 60–70 hours a week. Maybe surfing on Sunday if I was lucky. So yeah, that was one time I was not surfing as much as I'd like to, yeah.Michael Frampton So what do you attribute your surfing longevity to?Iain Buchanan I've always kind of like... when I was there, and I—because I'd been on the tour—and I got married at 33, and then I worked solidly doing that for like 10 years almost. And then I got invited to go to the Masters a couple of times, and then I didn't go. And then I finally went and I had a little spark in me again, you know, and it’s like, wow, it felt like I was like... it was going to be marriage, kids, the picket fence, and that’s your life. And it's like, I was just like, shit, I'm too young for it, you know. I felt like there's more to life, you know. Yeah, so my marriage kind of finished and I bailed and went to Europe and... I just followed my heart and that's what I wanted to do, you know, so yeah. And I had made a lot of connections in Australia, and that's helped me a lot in my life with overseas stuff and, yeah, in board making and judging circles and stuff like that. So yeah, I just... that's all I want to do is be involved in surfing, yeah.Michael Frampton So is it literally as simple as just the froth for chasing swells and just seeking that next surf and surfing itself? Is it that simple? Is that what keeps you going?Iain Buchanan Yeah, I mean, I wake up every day pretty much like most surfers, and I just watch the surf lights. So, yeah, I’m in a lucky position that... well, because of my overseas work, I have a little surf shop at Piha, so I've got quite a lot of freedom, you know. And we have a house we rent out as well. I can do that, you know, and my partner’s very... she’s very accommodating. She knows what she’s signed up for going out with me. You know, it’s... yeah. She's from Wamberal. So she’s been brought up with the whole surfing culture too. So yeah, she loves traveling. So if there’s any waves, I'm going.Michael Frampton And then throughout your surfing journey, have you ever... have you ever hit sort of plateaus in your progression? And is there anything that you’ve learned? Have you had surf coaching done before? Like how did you get so good at surfing?Iain Buchanan I think the biggest—not a single—most important reason was I went to Australia. For sure, you know. And I didn’t realise—I was okay as a little junior in Christchurch—but no, and then I went to Australia and when I went to Cronulla, it was like another whole world opened up. In South Australia, it was like we were... Port Lincoln’s like... it's quite out there, and it was like we used to surf at…

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    93 Kassia Meador Nov 29, 2023
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    Kassia Meador pic: @ez.rivero 93 Kassia Meador Surf Mastery Podcast Download Are you stuck in your surf journey—pushing harder, yet not progressing? What if the secret lies in slowing down?In this episode, pro surfer Kassia Meador reveals how surfers at all levels can accelerate their growth by integrating surf etiquette, body awareness, and holistic healing practices like sound therapy and craniosacral work—insights especially vital for anyone recovering from injury or burnout.Discover how to progress faster through surf retreats in Morocco and Indonesia designed for deep connection and rapid improvementLearn why sound medicine and neurofeedback are becoming essential tools for surf recovery and performanceGain rare pro-level tips on lineup etiquette that can instantly transform your sessions and confidenceHit play now to learn how to elevate your surf practice, heal deeply, and reconnect with the ocean—mindfully and powerfully.https://kassiasurf.com/(use discount 'surfmasterylove' at checkout for 25% off)Retreats: https://www.saltysensations.com/ & https://kassiasurf.com/pages/retreatsCourse: (use discount code 'Welcome10' for 10% off) Definitive Guide to Longboarding 3.0Kassia's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kassiasurf/?hl=enSurf Mastery website: https://surfmastery.com/Key PointsKassia Myador emphasizes the importance of high-level surf coaching and creating a supportive environment for learning in her retreats.Kassia discusses the value of learning surf etiquette and developing a rapport with the ocean to improve lineup awareness and safety.Kassia highlights the common mistake of new surfers getting too comfortable and not pushing beyond their comfort zones to continue improving.Kassia describes her journey with head trauma, including multiple concussions, and the alternative therapies she pursued for recovery, such as neurofeedback and craniosacral therapy.Kassia discusses the use of sound and vibrational medicine, including sound baths and gongs, for healing and supporting the nervous system.Kassia talks about her plans to take a group to Indonesia for surfing retreats, highlighting the variety of waves and the fun, perfect conditions during the shoulder season.Kassia advises beginner surfers to have fun, not be too hard on themselves, and use the ocean as a mirror to reflect on their life and personal growth. OutlineSurfing Retreats and Salty SensationsKassia has been running retreats for about seven years, both internationally and locally in Southern California.Kassia started Salty Sensations with Leah Dawson and Michaela Smith during the pandemic as a way for people to connect safely through surfing and camping.Salty Sensations began as local, long weekend retreats and expanded internationally two years ago.Kassia collaborates with local communities and hosts retreats in various locations, including Ireland and Morocco.The retreats offer high-level surf coaching in a supportive environment, focusing on community and learning.Participants often return to multiple retreats, showing progress in their surfing and community connections.Surfing Ethics and EtiquetteKassia emphasizes the importance of learning surfing ethics and etiquette from experienced surfers.The retreats aim to improve lineup etiquette and awareness, contributing to better surfing communities.Kassia compares learning to surf to getting a driver's license, highlighting the dangers of inexperienced surfers.Kassia notes the frustration new surfers face when they don't progress as quickly as they expect.Kassia's Surfing JourneyKassia started surfing in 1990, learning the ocean through junior lifeguards before surfing with her dad and his friends.Kassia's first surfing experience was at Leo Carrillo, with her first green wave caught at La Conchita.Kassia spent an entire summer camping and surfing at Leo Carrillo, learning the ocean extensively.Joel Tudor advised Kassia not to only surf perfect waves, encouraging her to adapt to different conditions.Kassia moved to Oceanside at 20 to surf more beach breaks, which she believes improved her overall surfing.Kassia prefers surfing lefts on a shortboard and rights on a longboard, particularly for nose riding.Common Mistakes in SurfingKassia identifies getting too comfortable and not pushing oneself as a common mistake among new surfers.Plateauing in surfing can lead to boredom and frustration, affecting one's attitude in the water.Kassia advises against complacency, encouraging surfers to seek new challenges and experiences.Kassia believes that the ocean reflects personal issues, such as control, and can be a tool for personal growth.Kassia's Relationship with SurfingKassia describes a renewed excitement and love for surfing, comparing it to her early days.Kassia took a seven-year break from surfing due to injuries and concussions, during which she focused on her business and healing.Kassia credits polarity therapy and craniosacral therapy for helping her recover from concussions.Kassia has experienced a full recovery and feels better than ever, attributing it to various therapies and lifestyle changes.Kassia emphasizes the importance of health and well-being, advocating for alternative therapies and low-inflammatory diets.Sound Therapy and Vibrational MedicineKassia is passionate about sound and vibrational medicine, using tools like sound bowls, gongs, and tuning forks.Kassia incorporates sound therapy into her retreats to support participants' nervous systems and overall well-being.Kassia and Michael discuss the neurological benefits of sound therapy, comparing it to other body work therapies.Kassia highlights the importance of finding what works for individual bodies and systems, whether it's chiropractic, acupuncture, or sound therapy.Kassia mentions her favorite surfboards, a nine-foot five-inch longboard shaped by Dane and a six-foot eight-inch twin pin by Alex Lopez.Favorite Surfing Locations and ExperiencesKassia's dream surfing location is Indonesia, particularly the Mentawai Islands, for their variety of waves.Kassia plans to take groups to Indonesia during the shoulder season for fun, perfect waves.Kassia uses sound bowls and other instruments in her retreats to support participants' experiences and healing.Advice for Beginner SurfersKassia advises beginner surfers to have fun and not be too hard on themselves, emphasizing the importance of enjoying the process.Kassia suggests that the ocean reflects personal issues and can be a mirror for growth and learning.Kassia encourages surfers to use moments of tension and frustration as opportunities for learning and progress.TranscriptionMichael Frampton Welcome back to the Surf Mastery Podcast. Today's guest is Kassia Meador. Kassia embodies the ethos of this show, which is education and inspiration to improve the lives of surfers both in and out of the water. And that is exactly what Kassia is doing. Kassia spent some years on the World Surf League Longboard Tour and was ranked second in the world in 2011. She has her own brand. She has surfing courses online. She's running retreats. We discuss all of that in today's episode, and of course, links below to all of that stuff in the show notes. Stay tuned till the end for some discount codes as well.Kassia Meador Local honey gives you like allergen protection, so doing that and then just surfing as much as possible.Michael Frampton Yeah, did you surf today?Kassia Meador No, I haven't surfed the last two days. I've been stuck a little bit, stuck to my computer just catching up on things because I was gone for so long. Yeah, but I surfed Monday. Tuesday was really good.Michael Frampton Okay, where have you been? Traveling?Kassia Meador I've been, yeah. I was in France, and then from France, I went to Ireland, and then from Ireland, Morocco. So I was gone for two months, and then I came home and did a little retreat down south. And then I have another one in two weeks. So I've pretty much been gone and really only have this week and next week home to get caught up before I'm gone again. So it's been full on.Michael Frampton Yeah. Did you have a retreat in Ireland as well? Is that why you were there?Kassia Meador I did, yeah. I did a retreat there with our Salty Sensations crew that I started with my friend Leah Dawson and Mikayla Smith. And then we team up with this awesome local Irish woman. She has a whole thing called Rebel Surf. So they're doing a lot for the Irish community and getting women in the water. Eastgate Britton came and read an excerpt from her book. And our friend Candice O'Donnell—long time, I think she was like British champ for a while, but she's a longboarder, friends with Leah and I, we've known her for a long time. I used to ride for Roxy with her as well. And so she came and helped us out. And we had a group of about—gosh, it was a co-ed retreat, and we had, I think like 10 guests, and it was fantastic.Michael Frampton When did that start and what was the impetus to start hosting these retreats?Kassia Meador You know, we started doing retreats—gosh, I want to say I've been doing retreats now for about seven years or more internationally. And then Leah and I started Salty Sensations actually during the middle of the pandemic. When nobody was really traveling, a lot of people were doing stuff just at home, you know, and wanting to connect. And kind of like camping was really one of the only ways that we could get together, and people could get together safely. So we started taking people surfing and camping here in Southern California. It was like an easy kind of long weekend during the middle of the week. So Mikayla Smith started coming down there with us, and then Andy Nieblas and, you know, some other awesome surfers. And we started these surfing and camping retreats that were like three days, kind of short little windows. And then last year—or two years ago now—we started taking them internationally. So that's cool. And we've been going to like kind of places more so off the beaten path with Salty Sensations. And then again, I do retreats and host retreats globally with other people. So, Morocco was more of like a Kassia surf retreat that I did with another friend who's a yogi, and Mikayla came with me to co-host that one. And then Morocco, like we worked with this awesome place and a friend of mine called Hamid. He has the O Surf Retreat, like Surf Club or whatever—Surf Club, I think is exactly what it's called. And he's awesome. He was my first guide in Morocco when I went there 15 years ago. But then Ireland was like Salty Sensation. So there's like a lot of different things happening. And then when we came back, the one that we have in two weeks is a Salty Sensations one. So there's kind of like multiple different things happening. Yeah, definitely.Michael Frampton All the time. So you're seeing quite a demand for these types of retreats?Kassia Meador I mean, I think what we offer is really unique in that a lot of people don't—you know, have gotten more so into surfing over the last five to 10 years, especially a lot of women coming into surfing. Maybe they surfed as a kid and they're getting back into it now. Or maybe they just found different time to get into surfing and they want to learn, they want to get better. And this is a way for people to learn in community, learn in different ways, and have a good time doing it. So it's awesome. It's awesome to witness people and their journeys. You know, now we've seen some people for a couple years in a row. People come back to multiple retreats. And so we're able to really witness their progress and then their progress with community and meeting up. And a lot of these people connect all over the world. And so then they become surf buddies, and they're able to bring it back to their community. And it's helping to grow. And I love it. And it's like—when do people have real access to learn from professional surfers? You know, a lot of people doing retreats and stuff out there are just kind of novice surfers themselves. And nothing bad about that. It's just what we're offering is really kind of high-level surf coaching in a really supportive environment. So it's a lot of fun.Michael Frampton Yeah, my previous guest said a piece of his advice was, “Don't watch people,” simply because most people don't surf that well. They don't approach the lineup very well. So his advice was don't watch them. Just choose one good person and watch that person. So, you see, you're kind of almost doing that on steroids a little bit. And do you think it's almost a step forward, creating a little community vibe like that where you're camping and surfing? It's kind of like a step back in time in some sort of way. It's like, this is how surfing used to be. We're going to kind of ignore the crowd, and we're going to keep sort of—but this is—because I can't imagine that these sort of camps would have worked 20 years ago. Because that was what surfing was anyway.Kassia Meador That's exactly it. And I love that you bring it up because I think like we're kind of like—we're around the same age, like I'm 41, you know, so I've been surfing for like almost 30 years. And when we grew up surfing, it was a lot smaller groups of people were surfing. Everybody kind of knew each other, and we would be camping and surfing and just hanging out together, surfing together, vibing out. Yeah. And I think just with how much time we've all spent in the water—between Mikayla, myself, Leah, and Andy, for instance—you know, between the Salty Sensations crew, there's like over 100 years of combined experience that we've had in the water, really, if you think about it that way. But this is our lives. This is what we do. And so we're able to create a really genuine and authentic atmosphere for people to learn in the ways that we learned. And I think that that's what's unique about our offering and what we're bringing out there, you know. And it's so fun. And the people that come are just so stoked. And again, it's just so awesome to be able to share, because that's a lot of the thing that has fueled us to want to offer these camps and retreats and what got me to offer my online course with The Inertia. But there's a lot of people that go do a surf camp or do a surf retreat in a way that they're not learning from people who have been surfing a long time like all of us. And they think, you know, they don't really understand the etiquette. And maybe they're putting themselves or somebody else in harm's way because they don't really understand the cadence of a lineup. They don't really have that etiquette background. Nobody's told them. It was just like, “Every wave’s your wave.” When really, as you and I know, surfing isn't about riding waves as much as it is about having a rapport with the ocean and connecting with community and all the other elements that go into what surfing is. And so I think that that's really what we're trying to share and teach. And hopefully by doing it this way, we're going to make the lineups a lot better for everybody because they're learning good ethics, they're learning good awareness, they're learning good lineup etiquette in the water, and they're able to bring that back to their communities as well.Michael Frampton You know, that's a good point. There's so many people jumping into surfing nowadays, and it's so accessible. You know, the wetsuits and surfboards are so good. And there are so many companies making them at such an affordable price. It…

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    92 Andrew Gelles - Concrete to Crest Nov 10, 2023
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    In just over a year Andrew was surfing Pipeline. Andrew discusses his transition from skateboarding to surfing, sharing insights from trips to El Salvador and Hawaii. They delve into the dangers of surfing, emphasizing the importance of taking it slow and respecting the waves.

    The conversation covers personal well-being, worst surfing advice, and the unique dynamics of Andrew's Brooklyn skate park. The hosts also explore the pros and cons of using a carver skateboard and share humorous anecdotes about challenging surf conditions.

    The podcast concludes with reflections on the changing skate industry and the need for affordable skate parks. Throughout, the hosts infuse the discussion with camaraderie, providing an entertaining blend of nostalgia, insight, and humor.

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