Perpetual Chess Podcast

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EP 259- Ben Johnson Dec 28, 2021

Show notes

On this holiday week, with The Perpetual Chess Podcast having recently turned 5 years old, it seemed like an appropriate time to feature myself as “the guest” on Perpetual Chess. In order to help out, I brought in longtime listener of the pod, chess journalist and improver, Chris Wainscott, to perform hosting duties. Chris and I covered lots of ground, as he asked me about the origins of Perpetual Chess, its growth over the years, my approach to interviewing people, favorite interview types and “dream guests.” He asked probing questions about my own chess origins and improvement efforts. Although I do prefer being the interviewer rather than the interviewed, it was fun to play the other role and to answer so many good listener questions. Details and show notes are below.

0:00- My chess background, and when did chess initially captivate me?

15:00- There are always great new courses from Chessable including FM Kamil Plichta’s Lifetime Repertoires: Accelerated Dragon. Check out what else is new here:

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16:00- Patreon mailbag question:’When will GM Yasser Seirawan be on the show?”

Mentioned: EP 134 with Megan Chen

19:00- Patreon mailbag question: “How did Perpetual Chess come to be?”

23:00- Patreon mailbag question: ‘To what do you attribute the podcast’s success?”

25:00- Patreon mailbag question: “What do you wish you had known at the beginning? Any regrets?”

26:00- Patreon mailbag question: “ How has your interviewing style/approach evolved?”

31:00- Patreon mailbag question: “What do you consider to be the highlights of the show?”

35:00- Twitter question: “Which handful of episodes are most representative of Perpetual Chess?”

Mentioned: Ep. 193 Tom Murphy, EP 250- FM Asa Hoffmann, EP. 76 Andrez Kryzdwa, GM Jan Timman, EP 15 GM Alex Yermolinksky. plus I forgot to mention my favorite episode, a World Championship prep oral history with GM Peter Heine Nielsen

40:00- Twitter question: “When will you do a Chessable course?’

42:00- Twitter question: “What are the most challenging types of interviews? What are your favorite non-chess podcasts?”

Rights to Ricky Sanchez, Animal Spirits Podcast, WTF with Marc Maron, Fresh Air, The Ezra Klein show, Death, Sex and Money

46:00- Patreon mailbag question: “What is your work flow/chess study regimen like in a given week?”

50:00- What value does my producer, Mathew Passy bring to the podcast?

52:00- Perpetual Chess is also brought to you in part byAImchess.com. Check out the site, and if you decide to subscribe use the code Perpetual30 to save 30%.

53:00- Patreon mailbag question: “How has your approach to chess studying changed over the years?”

Mentioned: Greg and Jen Shahade, GM Maurice Ashley

58:00- Patreon mailbag question: “What are your own favorite training tools? What guests’ advice resonated with you?”

Mentioned: Neal Bruce, GM Jacob Aagaard, Thinking Inside the Box, GM Jan Gustafsson

1:03:00- When it comes to competitive chess? What is my “why?

Mentioned: GM Jonathan Rowson’s The Moves that Matter

1:07:00- What are my goals in OTB chess?

Mentioned: Episode 241 with FM Peter Giannatos, Episode 232 with James Altucher

1:10:00- Patreon mailbag question: What are my favorite learning tools?

Mentioned: Episode 257 with GM Erwin L’Ami

1:13:00- How has life changed since Queen’s Gambit?

1:16:00- My evolving philosophy for choosing Adult Improver guests

Mentioned: Episode 256 with Alex Crompton

1:19:00- Who are my “dream guests?”

Mentioned: Lazslo Polgar, Magnus’ Bullet Twitch Stream, GM Ljubomir Ljubojevic, GM Ulf Andersson

1:25:00- Thanks so much to Chris for guest co-hosting!

You can read his blog and book reviews here:

http://ontheroadtochessmaster.com/

And follow him on Twitter here:

https://twitter.com/cwainscottmke

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EP 258- GM Matthew Sadler Dec 21, 2021

Show notes

This week’s guest on Perpetual Chess is 2 time British champion, and award winning author, GM Matthew Sadler. Matthew has been one of Great Britain’s top players for decades and is currently ranked #41 in the world. He has impressively managed to maintain his form well into his 40s while working outside of chess. Matthew has also made quite a mark as an author. His books,Gamechanger and the adult improver focused, Chess for Life, both co-authored with WIM Natasha Regan, are both favorites of this podcast. You can hear us discuss these books in Episode 112. In Matthew’s new book, The Silicon Road to Chess Improvement, Matthew goes beyond just Alphazero and extracts lessons for humans from many of the other modern chess super engines. He is also the regular book reviewer for NIC magazine, and did game recaps of the 2021 FIDE World Championship with none other than GM Garry Kasparov! I am happy to report that Matthew was very generous with his time, so we managed to cover all of these areas of chess interest in our conversation. Timestamps and relevant links are below.

0:00- As a full time IT professional, author, New in Chess book reviewer, content creator and top player, how on earth does Matthew get so many things done?

04:45- What are some of Matthew’s favorite recent chess books?

Mentioned: Winning by GM Nigel Short , The Creative Power of Boguljubov, The Unstoppable American

10:00- What did Matthew observe from Magnus’ play in the World Championship.

Mentioned: Silicon Road to Chess Improvement YouTube Channel, Chessbase India video with GM Peter Heine Nielsen, More Info on the TCEC- Top Engine Chess Championship, Games from the match here

24:00- What can club players learn from super engines?

Mentioned: Small Steps to Giant Improvement

31:00- Does Matthew see an engine footprint in GM Alireza Firouzja’s play?

Mentioned: Erdos-Firouzja 2021, Acquisition of Chess Knowledge in Alpha Zero

36:00- Patreon mailbag question: “Did Alphazero’s opening acquisition trace the path of the evolution of chess?”

38:00- There are always great new courses from Chessable including FM Kamil Plichta’s Lifetime Repertoires: Accelerated Dragon. Check out what else is new here:

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40:00- Why does it seem like the numerical evaluations of engines are getting more extreme, i.e. “+5 in an even position?”

45:00- Patreon mailbag question: “Do engines still threaten to end competitive chess"?”

Mentioned: GM Pia Cramling, GM Juan Bellon, GM Robin van Kampen

50:00- What are Matthew’s thoughts on Magnus’ recent mention of potentially dropping out of the World Championship cycle?

55:00- Perpetual Chess is also brought to you in part by AImchess.com. Check out the site, and if you decide to subscribe use the code Perpetual30 to save 30%.

57:00- Patreon mailbag question “If chess is fundamentally a draw, why do top engines still sometimes beat each other?

1:00:00- Patreon mailbag question; “Will engine play become more “human” in the future?’ Plus, Matthew on Magnus’ uncanny ability to play mistake-free chess.

Mentioned: Maia bots on Lichess, Topalov interview with Chess24

1:09:00- Matthew describes the experience of working with Kasparov on World Championship recap videos

1:15:00- Patreon mailbag question: “Does correspondence chess have a future given the preponderance of draws?’

1:22:00- Patreon mailbag question: “Are there engines that are more instructive about how to convert advantages in a “human” way that avoids complications?”

1:28:00- Patreon mailbag question: What chess improvement and maintenance tips can Matthew share for other adults?

1:38:00- Patreon mailbag question: Why does The Carlsbad structure fascinate Matthew so much?”

1:41:00- Thanks so much to Matthew for being so generous with his time. Here are the links to keep up with his content.

Twitter

Silicon Road to Chess Improvement YouTube Channel

Buy the Book here

Or The E Book from New in Chess here

Chess for Life

Gamechanger

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EP 257- GM Erwin L'Ami with a World Championship Wrap Up (and more!) Dec 14, 2021

Show notes

Perpetual Chess is back for one more World Championship wrap-up (among other topics) with top Dutch player, trainer, and popular Chessable author, GM Erwin L’Ami. As the second to GM Anish Giri, and a former member of GM Veselin Topalov’s World Championship team, Erwin shares his general reflections on the Carlsen-Nepomniatchtchi match, as well as lots of insights about the opening choices of each player. We also talk about chess improvement. Erwin himself is gearing up to compete in the prestigious Tata Steel tournament in Wijk an Zee after a long layoff from OTB chess. He also answers some listener questions relating to how amateurs should approach openings. Lastly, I was quite interested to hear how chess engines and opening theory have changed, even in the time since Erwin last was a guest on Perpetual Chess, in 2020. There is always lots to learn from GM L’Ami, so please enjoy the conversation, and check out the relevant links and timestamps below if needed.

Prior interview: Episode 186 with GM Erwin L’Ami

0:00- Erwin shares his thoughts about the World Championship, especially the openings chosen.

Mentioned: The games we discuss can be viewed here, Chessbase India interview with GM Peter Heine Nielsen and GM Vladimir Potkin, Sesse Engine

30:00- There are always great new courses from Chessable including FM Kamil Plichta’s Lifetime Repertoires: Accelerated Dragon. Check out what else is new here:

https://www.chessable.com/courses/all/new/

30:30- Perpetual Chess is also brought to you in part by AImchess.com. Check out the site, and if you decide to subscribe use the code Perpetual30 to save 30%.

31:30- How is Erwin preparing for the Challenger’s group of the upcoming Tata Steel Chess Tournament?

Mentioned: More on the Dubov-Karjakin issue here. Perpetual Chess W.C. Pod with GM Jan Timman,

44:00- How does Erwin work on his tactics?

Mentioned: The Silicon Road to Chess Improvement, FM Frank Erwich’s 1001 Chess Exercises for Advanced Club Players

Silicon Road YouTube Channel, Kasparovchess World Championship Game Recaps

49:00- Perpetual Chess is brought to you in part by Chessmood.com. They offer a huge video library with instruction on every phase of the game.

50:00- Patreon mailbag question: “Is 1. e4 still ‘best by test’?”

Mentioned: Carlsen-Tari 2021

55:00- Patreon mailbag question: Have super-engines recently refuted any openings?

57:00- Patreon mailbag question: “Would having a second for a round robin event be of any use for a 2200 level player?”

1:02:00- Patreon mailbag question: ‘What approach and opening resources does Erwin recommend for club level players?”

1:05:30- How did IM Cor van Wijgerdan, co-creator of the Chess Steps Series come up with so many cool puzzles?

Mentioned: Episode 142 with Han Schut, Episode 167 with IM Jop Delemarre

1:08:00- Are cloud-based engines taking over from heavy duty private machines?

Mentioned: Chessify

1:12:00- We wrap up with a bit more World Championship and Candidates Cycle talk

Mentioned: FIDE Grand Prix 2022

1:18:00- Thanks so much to Erwin for sharing his insights.

You can follow him on Twitter here.

Keep up with his Chessable courses here.

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World Championship Bonus Pod #5- GM Vasyl Ivanchuk on His Career, Twitch Streaming and his Thoughts on the Match Dec 11, 2021

Show notes

GM Vasyl Ivanchuk is a modern chess legend who has won countless tournaments including the 2016 World Rapid Championship and the 2007 FIDE World Blitz Championship. He has been ranked #2 in the World on 3 separate occasions. Vasyl is known for his creative play and his wide opening repertoire. Vasyl joined me just after the World Championship concluded to share his thoughts on the match, and to discuss his recent foray into Twitch streaming, his passion for checkers, and to answer my many questions about his illustrious career. So much fun to talk chess with "Chucky!"

You can follow/subscribe to Vasyl's Twitch channel here:

https://www.twitch.tv/ivanchukchess

0:00- Intro, Match Wrapup

6:00- GM Vasyl Ivanchuk joins the podcast!

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Book Recap #21- Discussing A First Book of Morphy with Mads Jønsson Dec 10, 2021

Show notes

We are back for another Book Review podcast, a series called Chess Books Recaptured. This month we tackle Frisco Del Rosario’s First Book of Morphy, which is a Paul Morphy game collection book geared towards novice to intermediate players. My guest co-host this episode is Danish chess enthusiast, dad and linguist Mads Jønsson. As we note, First Book of Morphy does have some flaws, but Morphy’s games are amazing, and the annotations are helpful enough to make this book well-suited to its target audience. Please read on for lots more details, show notes, and relevant links.

0:00- We introduce our guest go-host, Mads Jonson, and he shares for his suggestion that we recap the First Book of Morphy.

6:30- We talk a bit about the book's background.

Mentioned: Lichess Study games 1-60, and 61-69

11:30- There are always great new courses from Chessable including FM Kamil Plichta’s Lifetime Repertoires: Accelerated Dragon. Check out what else is new here:

https://www.chessable.com/courses/all/new/

12:00- Perpetual Chess is also brought to you in part by AImchess.com. Check out the site, and if you decide to subscribe, use the code Perpetual30 to save 30%.

13:00- Patreon mailbag question: “Did Morphy play at the level of a modern IM?”

Mentioned: IM Ken Regan’s Intrinsic Rating Compendium, Chess Metrics Morphy

17:00- What chapters did Mads find most helpful?

Mentioned: Book Recap #16 Logical Chess Move by Move

25:00- What other changes could have been made stylistically?

28:00- Perpetual Chess is brought to you in part by Chessmood.com. They offer a huge video library with instruction on every phase of the game.

29:00- We share a few of our favorite games and quotes.

Mentioned: Morphy-Guibert 1958, Ben Finegold’s Paul Morphy videos,

36:00- We give a list of pros and cons related to the books.

39:00- What other “move by move” style books might one consider reading? (They are listed below in order of difficulty)

Logical Chess Move by Move (Podcast about it in Book Recap 16)

The Most Instructive Chess Games of All Time

Instructive Chess Miniatures

World's Most Instructive Amateur Game Book

Chess: The Art of Logical Thinking: From the First Move to the Last

Nunn- Understanding Chess Move by Move

Morphy Move by Move

Chess Master vs. Amateur

46:00- Tune in next month for a recap of Lipnitsky’s Questions of Modern Chess Theory with Martin Justesen a/k/a Say Chess!

Be sure to follow Mads on Twitter here.

And we are always happy to support Chess in Slums.

50:00- Blindfold puzzles are back!

Puzzle #1- Meek-Morphy 1855

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bc5 5. Ng5 Nh6 6. Nxf7 Nxf7 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7

WHITE TO MOVE AND REGAIN MATERIAL

Solution here:

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1335871

Puzzle #2- Morphy-Conway 1959

1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. d4 gxf3 6. Qxf3 Bh6 7. O-O Ne7 8.

Bxf4 Bxf4 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. Qxf4+ Kg7

FIND MATE in TWO FROM THIS POSITION

Solution here:

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2036628

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World Championship Bonus Pod #4- GM Jacob Aagaard on the match, plus Shaun McCoy with a report from Dubai Dec 09, 2021

Show notes

GM Jacob Aagaard is an award winning author, and a founder of Quality Chess and of Killer Chess Training.com. With Magnus Carlsen firmly ahead in the match (by a score of 6.5 to 3.5), I thought it would be fun to check back in with GM Jacob Aagaard, who had written a prescient prediction for the match which was shared with our listeners in Episode 254. In our conversation, Aagaard expounds a bit on his thoughts on the match, and also shares his concerns about future World Championships when it comes to potential match formats and venues. It is always illuminating to hear GM Aagaard's thoughts!

Following the Aagaard interview Shaun McCoy of Chess.com joins the show to give an update from Dubai. Shaun shares his highlights so far and discusses what it was like to be on the premises for Magnus' historical win in Game 6. As always, you can find the timestamps for the interviews below.

0:00- Intro

10:00- GM Jacob Aagaard interview

43:45- Shaun McCoy joins the show

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EP 256- Alex Crompton (Adult Improver Series) Dec 07, 2021

Show notes

Welcome back to another Adult Improver Edition of Perpetual Chess. In this episode, we feature another Queen’s Gambit convert to Perpetual Chess. 30-year-old tech executive and musician Alex Crompton recently became obsessed with the game and dove headlong into the best ways to improve at it. Alex is quick to note that his accomplishments are modest, but as he detailed on his blog, he has gone from total beginner to a respectable 1500 FIDE rating in less than a year. As our conversation reveals, lots of research and work went into this improvement. In our conversation, Alex shares tons of good study tips and reflections about the science of learning, including the ways that the study of languages has helped him improve his chess. It was a lot of fun hearing about Alex’s chess progress, and any listener of any rating can learn from this conversation. Please read on for lots of details, timestamps and relevant links.

0:00- For more information about the Harvard Chess Cognition Study go here.

3:00- Alex joins the show, and we begin by discussing why Alex finds it challenging to follow the World Championship despite his enthusiasm for chess.

Mentioned: The Art of Learning by IM Josh Waitzkin

12:00- We discuss Alex’s adult improvement journey, which you can read about in his blog post here.

18:30- NEW SPONSOR! Chessvis is an app designed designed to help you train your visualization skills. Search for it at an app store or get the links here.

https://www.chessvis.com/

19:00- Perpetual Chess is brought to you in part by Chessmood.com. They offer a huge video library with instruction on every phase of the game.

20:00- What were Alex’s first steps to develop a system to study chess?

Mentioned: Squareoff Chess, Bryght Labs’ ChessUp, Woodpecker Method on Chessable, Woodpecker Method Podcast with Neal Bruce, Michael De La Maza article- 400 Points in 400 Days, Tim Brennan’s Tactics Time on Chessable

39:00- How did Alex approach the study of openings?

Mentioned: Make it Stick by Peter C. Brown

41:00- Alex shares some interesting research about why adults may improve at chess more slowly than kids.

Mentioned: Some of the research Alex referenced is here.

Lichess study, Episode 231 with Braden Laughlin, James Heisig: Remembering the Kanji, Episode 215 with Dr. Vishnu Sreekumar

54:00- Perpetual Chess is brought to you in part by Chessable.com. Check out what's new from them here: New Chess Courses Online - For All Levels- Chessable.com Don’t forget to subscribe to the How to Chess podcast as well!

54:30- Perpetual Chess is also brought to you in part by AImchess.com. Check out the site, and if you decide to subscribe use the code Perpetual30 to save 30%.

55:30- Patreon mailbag question: “What is Alex’s approach to learning openings?”

Mentioned: My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White, Lifetime Repertoires: Chessable 1. b3, Logical Chess Move by Move

1:11:00- Patreon mailbag question: “Any theories on why ratings tend to repeatedly plateau and then jump?”

Mentioned: Episode 181 with Elijah Logozar

1:15:00-What resources have helped Alex blunder less, rather than just solve tactics?

Susan Polgar’s How to Learn Chess the Right Way Volume 3, FM Peter Giannatos’ Everyone’s First Chess Workbook

1:19:00- What are Alex’s next chess goals, if any?

Mentioned: Sean Carroll’s Mindscapes: Episode 169 Games

1:28:00- Thanks so much to Alex for sharing his insights.

You can keep up with him via his blog here:

https://www.alexcrompton.com/

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World Championship Bonus Pod #3- GM Jan Timman on the match so far, NM John MacArthur with a Dubai trip report. Dec 05, 2021

Show notes

After 8 rounds, things have changed! As you may have heard, Magnus Carlsen has taken a 5-3 lead in the 2021 World Championship, highlighted by a record breaking, unforgettable win in Game 6. Please listen in as a do a quick rundown of the highlights of the match, then bring in two great guests: Grandmaster Jan Timman is the 9 time champion of the Netherlands, an award winning author, and was one of the highest rated players in the world for decades. Among other topics, Jan shares his thoughts on the match so far and discusses the ascendance of young Super GM Alireza Firouzja, who we could potentially see in the next World Championship.

My second guest, John MacArthur is an accomplished scholastic coach and Twitch streamer who joined me just after returning from Dubai on Monday. Dubai was the 6th World Championship match he has attended. John shares some great stories and contrasts this event with the many other memorable matches he has attended.

Timestamps and the links you need are below.

10:00- GM Jan Timman joins me!

Jan is a founding editor and columnist for New in Chess Magazine

His latest book is, The Unstoppable American: Bobby Fischer's Road to Reykjavik

33:30- NM John MacArthur joins

Check out his photos from Dubai on his Instagram here.

Follow him on Twitch here.

On Twitter here

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World Championship Bonus Pod #2- FM Mike Klein joins from Dubai to recap 5 tense, deadlocked rounds. Dec 01, 2021

Show notes

After 8 rounds, things have changed! As you may have heard, Magnus Carlsen has taken a 5-3 lead in the 2021 World Championship, highlighted by a record breaking, unforgettable win in Game 6. Please listen in as a do a quick rundown of the highlights of the match, then bring in two great guests: Grandmaster Jan Timman is the 9 time champion of the Netherlands, an award winning author, and was one of the highest rated players in the world for over a decade. Jan shares his thoughts on the match so far and discusses the ascendance of young Super GM Alireza Firouzja.

John MacArthur is an accomplished scholastic coach and Twitch streamer who joined me just after returning from Dubai on Monday. Dubai was the 6th World Championship match he has attended. John shares some great stories and contrasts this event with the many other memorable matches he has attended.

Timestamps and the links you need are below.

9:00- GM Jan Timman joins

New in Chess Magazine

His latest book, The Unstoppable American: Bobby Fischer's Road to Reykjavik

33:00- NM John MacArthur joins

Check out his photos from Dubai on his Instagram here.

Follow him on Twitch here.

On Twitter here

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EP 255- WGM Tatev Abrahamyan returns Nov 30, 2021

Show notes

This week’s guest on Perpetual Chess marks the return visit of one of the top female players in the US, WGM Tatev Abrahamyan. I caught up with Tatev after a hectic few months in which she competed in the FIDE Women’s World Cup and also competed in and placed 4th in the US Women’s Championship. For good measure, she moved from Southern California to Kansas City to begin her work as the Director of Chess Content at chess startup Bryght Labs. Tatev’s busy schedule gave us plenty to talk about, as Tatev gave some insightful tournament reports, discussed her new job, and, of course, dispensed some chess improvement advice and some reflections on dealing with setbacks in chess. It is always fun to talk chess with Tatev, so we hope you make time for this interview in between World Championship rounds. Please read on for more details and show notes.

0:00- GM Johan Sebastian Christiansen recently expressed his extreme frustration with a slump in his competitive chess. Tatev talks about how common such feelings of frustration can be for be top players, and ways to work through it.

Mentioned: Episode 49 with WGM Tatev Abrahamyan , Chess.com Article with GM Alireza Firouzja’s quote regarding chess and mental health

11:00- How does Tatev reflect on her 4th place finish in the 2021 US Women’s Chess Championship?

Mentioned: GM Alejandro Ramirez, You can review Tatev’s games here, How to Chess Episode 17 with IM Lawrence Trent,

26:00- Now that she has a 9-5 job, Tatev reflects on how she will manage her chess career as well as a new job in a new town (Kansas City, MO).

29:00- Perpetual Chess is brought to you in part by Chessmood.com. They offer a huge video library with instruction on every phase of the game.

31:00- Tatev gives the trip report from the FIDE Women’s Chess World Cup in Sochi, Russia, and we discuss the Women’s World Championship Cycle.

Mentioned: Episode 243 with GM Anna Muzychuk, Information on the 2022 FIDE Woman’s Candidate Tournament is here, Goryachkina-Motylev 2021

39:00- Perpetual Chess is brought to you in part by Chessable.com. Check out what's new from them here: New Chess Courses Online - For All Levels- Chessable.com Don’t forget to subscribe to the How to Chess podcast as well!

39:30- Perpetual Chess is also brought to you in part by AImchess.com. Check out the site, and if you decide to subscribe use the code Perpetual30 to save 30%.

40:00- Does Tatev think that US Women's Champion IM Carissa Yip will be competing for a World Championship someday?

Mentioned: FM Jennifer Yu, IM Annie Wang

43:00- What sort of products is Tatev working on at her chess startup, Bryght Labs?

Mentioned: ChessUp, GM Levon Aronian

1:01:00- Patreon mailbag question: “What tips can we share for how to evaluate a position?”

1:05:00- We discuss GM Rustam Kasimdzhanov’s recent interview about chess engines and his work with GM Fabiano Caruana.

Mentioned: More information about Kasimdzhanov’s interview with Ilya Levitov here

1:14:00- Patreon mailbag question: What is the secret to Tatev’s success in her OTB games against Latvian/American legend GM Alex Shabalov?

Mentioned: Krush-Abrahamyan 2021,

1:17:00-

Thanks so much to Tatev for joining us!

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