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**Pastors and Preachers**

Pastors and Preachers exists to help you enjoy living faithfully and leading fruitfully. Join hosts Matt Adair and Tal Prince as they talk about critical issues facing ministry leaders from their perspective as a pastor (Matt) and therapist (Tal).

Latest Episodes:

Sympathy or Empathy? That Is The Question... Mar 19, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

There are two sides to emotional intelligence. Not only do emotionally intelligent leaders understand and articulate their feelings. They are also able to understand and articulate the feelings of other people.

The limitations of sympathy. In an attempt to establish connection, a leader might sympathize with someone by sharing their own story. While helpful in letting someone know they're not alone, sympathy robs someone of an opportunity to be understood and accepted.

Empathy can be developed. If you are not naturally empathetic, a willingness to grow and a simple development plan can do wonders. And if empathy is intuitive for you, continue to work at not only mastering this critical skill but pass on what you have learned to others.

When someone else is in pain, healthy leaders prioritize compassion over connection. As important as it is for someone to feel they are not alone, it is even more important for them to feel understood and accepted.

Need to grow in empathy? We can help!

We put together a development plan that helps you better understand empathy and build a step-by-step approach to becoming the leader you want to be for your church. Download it for free and take your leadership to the next level!

Links Mentioned In The Episode

EMPATHY DEVELOPMENT PLAN - fivefactors.net/empathy
VIDEO - "It's Not About The Nail"
PODCAST EPISODE - Jenni Catron on The Four Dimensions of Leadership
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - fivefactors.net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (twitter.com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

Pastor Duke Kwon on Small Steps Towards Cross-Cultural Community Mar 12, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

Encouraging the marginalized will frustrate the majority. In the diverse and disconnected world we live in, a word of encouragement to one group will often serve as a prophetic rebuke to another group. Seeking to avoid this tension in the name of unity results in an echo chamber; the marginalized feel forgotten and the majority culture remains ignorant.

God is shaping your story. Duke's journey from Southern California is a divinely hand-crafted "dream come true." If you are discouraged about your current situation, take time to sketch out the movements of your story and how God has brought you to the place you find yourself.

Learn the demographic story of your community. If you don't live in a community that is particularly diverse, explore the story of your community for reasons why it has become that way. There are no accidental communities of exclusion.

We live in the tension between God's 'already' and 'not yet.' One day, the Church will live forever with God in the beauty of diversity. And while that day is not today, you and I can pray and dream and take small steps towards God's preferred future.

Do you want a GREAT church? We can help!

On Thursday, March 15th, Matt is hosting a free, live webinar called "How To Build A Great Church and An Even Better Life (Without Losing Jesus, Your Family or Your Church)." We'll talk about three secrets that are lived out in the lives of great leaders PLUS you'll get an exclusive offer for personalized coaching for just $1. Register now at fivefactors.net/webinar.

Links Mentioned In The Episode

VIDEO - Duke Kwon at LDR 2017: "Speaking the Truth in Love"
FOLLOW: Duke on Twitter and Facebook
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - fivefactors.net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (twitter.com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

Barnabas Piper on Doubt, Curiosity and Preachers' Kids Mar 05, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

Be yourself spiritually. From Bible versions to written prayers, learn how you best listen and respond to God and give yourself permission to do what's best for you.
Be intentionally curious in all of life. You are not childish if you explore different ways of seeing the world and experiencing life.
Doubt can be healthy...or not. "I don't know, but I trust" is different from "I don't know so I'm walking away. Churches need human pastors who are honest, not a pastor playing the role of a pastor.

Being curious and leaving room for doubt is a critical secret of healthy leadership. Not only is it vital to cultivate that kind of culture in your church, it's important that you give yourself permission to live this out yourself.

Are You Healthy? Grab Our FREE Assessment And Find Out.

Our conversation with Scott is a reminder that every leader is vulnerable. If you've ever wondered if you're covering your bases and setting yourself up for success, check out this FREE overview and assessment of each of the 'five factors' of healthy leadership.

Links Mentioned In The Episode

BOOK - The Curious Christian: How Discovering Wonder Enriches Every Part of Life by Barnabas Piper
BOOK - Help My Unbelief: Why Doubt Is Not the Enemy of Faith by Barnabas Piper
BOOK - The Pastor's Kid: Finding Your Own Faith and Identity by Barnabas Piper
BOOK - The Songs of Jesus: A Year of Daily Devotions in the Psalms by Tim Keller
BOOK - Spurgeon Study Bible
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - fivefactors.net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (twitter.com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

Secret #12: Should Men Who Are Church Leaders Learn From Women? Feb 26, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

Our heroes have feet of clay. With gratitude and respect for the work and legacy of John Piper, his conviction that female professors should not teach in seminary is both extra-biblical and unhelpful.

Men are underdeveloped without the help and wisdom of women. Issues get ignored. Perspectives go unchallenged. And roles and relationships in a local church don't thrive.

Learning from women is easier than you think. Take the initiative to listen to the women already around you. Learn from women you agree with. Learn from women you disagree with.

As we ride a wave of gender equality (#metoo), Christian leaders should be at the forefront based on the ontological equality of men and women. But history tells us that men do not intentionally listen and learn from women leaders without a push in the right direction. Consider this your nudge.

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Links Mentioned In The Episode

ARTICLE - "Is There A Place For Female Professors At Seminary?"
FREE Resource - The Five Factors of Healthy Leadership
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - fivefactors.net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (twitter.com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

Secret #11: How Healthy Churches Respond To Sexual Abuse Allegations Feb 19, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

Churches are not prepared to respond well to accusation. Leaders hide behind power and privilege when they should use it to seek truth and justice. Oh, and someone please make sure to include women throughout the discovery process and follow-up.
Create a simple checklist for use in case of an accusation. Prepare beforehand in full understanding that your decision-making will be under stress and significantly compromised. A checklist automates actions that cannot be missed or passed over.
Love the accused and the accuser. Rather than playing sides, healthy church leadership proactively loves all parties involved.

Few challenges are greater in a church than a leader accused of sexual abuse or sexual assault. Churches consistently rush to conclusions rather than take appropriate measures to protect everyone and pursue justice. This episode provides a step-by-step plan for turning intention into reality.

Want our plan? Download it for FREE.

Developed by us - a pastor and a therapist - this easy-to-use checklist serves as the mile markers in the unfortunate event that your church has to walk down this road. Take the guesswork out of what to do next by downloading the plan and walking through it with other leaders in your church.

Links Mentioned In The Episode

ARTICLE - "The Church Needs a Masterclass in How To Apologize for Sexual Assault"
FREE Resource - net/assault
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

Secret #10: A simple way to lose fat and live longer Feb 12, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

Walking is the #1 form of exercise the human body is designed for. It's smart to lift heavy things and elevate your heart rate. But nothing is more foundational to human movement than walking.
Walking provides powerful benefits. From helping you clear your mind and reduce stress to losing belly fat and slowing down the rate of cellular aging, walking increases the quality and quantity of life
Walk 10,000 steps each day. Whether you do this all at one time or at intervals throughout the day, taking walks is an easy way to improve your health and make you a better leader.

From our perspective, the biggest hang up to walking is the perception that it's not strenuous enough. Leaders are notorious for believing that the only way to achieve good results is to take the hardest path. Let me modify it for you - the best path is the smartest path, not necessarily that which is most treacherous. When it comes to walking, simple, slow and steady wins the race.

Ready To Find Freedom? Grab Our FREE Guide And Find Out.

To help you clarify and manage the change you need to make in your life and leadership, we created a FREE guide to help you take clear next steps. This simple three-step process will give you a simple way to find clarity, gain momentum and produce results that lead to freedom. Taking 10 seconds to download the guide will set you up for success!

Links Mentioned In The Episode

FREE Resource - fivefactors.net/freedom
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - fivefactors.net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (twitter.com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

Pastor Jason Cook on Calling and Pastoring a Multi-Ethnic Church Feb 05, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

The Gospel and Race. Issues of racism (personal or systemic) or building communities that cross the lines of race are not incidental to the gospel. They are not implications. They are at the heart of the good news of Jesus.
The Role of Women in the Development of Pastors. Anyone training for vocational ministry in seminary needs both men and women to help develop the competence and character necessary to pastor well.
The Hard Road of Becoming a Multiethnic Church. The road to diversity is littered with well-meaning majority culture churches who hire a single person of color on their staff as the solution to their problems. Becoming a more diverse church will require patience and persistence.

Consider the cost. It is one thing to see the good news of God's people. It's another thing to develop the conviction that people are equal, regardless of the color of their skin. But living and leading in that direction will not happen without a cost. Be wise and get ready. The road is bumpy and the climb is steep.

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Links Mentioned In The Episode

Follow Jason on Twitter and Facebook
FREE Resource - fivefactors.net/overview
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - fivefactors.net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (twitter.com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

Yancey Arrington on Preaching That Moves People Jan 29, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

Tribal Preaching. Our theology, philosophy, and methodology of preaching find common ground with others who share our convictions. Finding and actively engaging our tribe helps strengthen our resolve and clarify convictions. However…
No tribe has all the answers. Each tribe's approach to preaching contains both wisdom and flaws. We need to learn broadly to shore up weaknesses and reduce our blind spots.
Preach to the heart. Preachers must be winsome, not only contending for truth but compelling their listeners to respond by preaching to their heart.

Preaching the gospel of Jesus in every sermon from the biblical text is a hallmark of Christian preaching. And because this news is so good - almost too good to be true - each of us who preach should consistently refocus our efforts on the motivational structure of people's hearts.

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Links Mentioned In The Episode

Follow Yancey on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram
Subscribe to Yancey's blog
Buy Yancey's book, Preaching That Moves People
FREE Resource - fivefactors.net/overview
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - fivefactors.net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (twitter.com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

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Secret #9 - Make your kids a bigger priority than your work Jan 22, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

The low-level pressure of parenting. From a positive pregnancy test until our last day on earth together, parenting is filled with hopes and challenges. There is never a day that your kids don't need you.
Parenting gets lost in the urgency of your work. The nature and demands of church work make it easy to push our kids aside.
Make small investments in parenting. Getting your priorities back in order requires small adjustments in your time and focus.

We know you love your kids more than your work. But do they know that's true? This episode will help you match how you feel with what they experience.

Need help talking to your kids? Grab Our FREE Set of Conversation Starters.

We've put together a handful of questions that you can use to create significant conversations with your son or daughter. If you're stuck in a rut of asking the same couple of questions and experiencing diminishing returns in the answers of your kids, take a look at what we made for you.

Links Mentioned In The Episode

FREE Resource - fivefactors.net/parent
GET HELP - Ask Matt and Tal a Question
Five Factors Coaching - fivefactors.net/join
Five Factors Facebook Group
FOLLOW: Matt (com/mattadair) and Tal (twitter.com/talprince)

Secret #8 - Lessons Learned From Dr. King Jan 15, 2018

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Biggest Takeaways You Don't Want To Miss:

Your perspective is limited. You are one person living in one place at a particular moment in history. Don't assume you see the whole picture.
You grow under stress. Healthy leaders are curious, looking to learn from others who challenge and stretch current thinking, values and behaviors.
Invest in "weird" relationships. The walls of resistance crumble fastest through conversations with people we trust.

Church leaders are notorious for closing themselves off to other leaders with different perspectives. Healthy leaders intentionally build relational bridges to learn and experience a world much bigger than themselves.

"A Beautiful Mosaic." Grab Our FREE Guide To Cross-Cultural Learning.

In addition to starting and strengthening relationships with different kinds of people, we put together a list of resources that have helped us understand, empathize and reimagine life and leadership through the eyes of black Americans. Use our FREE guide to help you save time and take the guesswork out of what you should read to learn and grow as a leader.

Links Mentioned In The Episode